Re: Threading
Hello Thomas, > Now, I don't know whether you snipped too much,... When threading by reference, which TB does beautifully and specially in this list where everybody uses TB, quoting shouldn't be necessary at all. I am subscribed to a number of newsgroups where most posters don't quote anything at all. After all, that's what threading was invented for, or wasn't it? :-) > but it certainly sounds like PowerPro cures stupidity. Well, not really. It made me feel stupid when I first tried to do something with it, and still does some times :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Euro character
On Friday, July 25, 2003, 6:01:40 AM, Tim wrote: T> What is AltGr? AltGr is a button which is found on European keyboards where you'd find one of the Alt buttons on North American keyboards. It acts as a second Alt button, allowing you to have a whole extra set of keyboard shortcuts. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: A wish...
On Thursday, July 24, 2003, 11:23:12 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF> Oh then, how would TB know which accounts you want to check now, and TF> which accounts you want to check next time? Because I would highlight the first account I want to check, then use ctrl-click to highlight the other accounts I want to check, then press F2 to check the highlighted accounts :-) Just as, for example, I can highlight multiple files in Windows Explorer & press Copy, or Cut, or Delete, or whatever...the action is applied to all the highlighted files, while leaving the non-highlighted files alone. I'd like to do the same kind of thing in TB to check multiple accounts. I'm not looking for a feature to check certain accounts at certain times or anything like that - just a way to check *some* accounts without checking *all* accounts, & without checking each account individually. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:27:58 +0200 GMT (25/07/03, 23:27 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: >> Not unless you have a cure for stupidity! > H, maybe I can think of a PowerPro script to do it ;-) Now, I don't know whether you snipped too much, but it certainly sounds like PowerPro cures stupidity. Can I get it over-the-counter, or do I need a prescription? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man: Is this seat empty? Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M> Sorry about that. Don't apologize for me being dumb. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyFa/9ttnLhkydF1EQJPsQCgjm1YCubjwO9Eyhdb21tbDFmzouEAoJ+x i4FAsLfAYfDdv3gyq9KFcx9B =rqnj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help selecting multiple recipients
Hello Steve, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:11:16 -0400 GMT (25/07/03, 21:11 +0700 GMT), Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: MW>> Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when MW>> I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient MW>> box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for MW>> you. A double-click should also add a recipient. > I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta? When I tab through the dialog, the buttons are highlighted in a different order than they appear visually. I don't run the current beta, but there is a chance they have fixed this, and each tabbing now takes you to the next botton, which is correct. I am copying this to the beta list, as this is more an issue to be discussed over there. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Stuart, > Not unless you have a cure for stupidity! H, maybe I can think of a PowerPro script to do it ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help selecting multiple recipients
Hello Steve, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:08:26 -0400 GMT (25/07/03, 21:08 +0700 GMT), Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: AM>> You could join by sending a message using this URL: AM>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Thanks, I'm now subscribed. Interestingly enough, my filters don't > seem to be working for that list, but that's another topic. What do you filter on? I filter on "Reply-To:.*TBBETA" (without quotes) present in kludges, and have Regular Expressions activated under the Options tab. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Stuart, > The message/folder I was trying it out on is threaded by subject and > the message was mis-threaded there. Your script sorts out the > threading when it's done by reference. Yes? Well, yes. If you have seen the script it does include an "In-Reply-To" and a "References" header lines with the MID of the message you re-thread to and this change can only be seen if you view threads by References. Sorry about that. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
Hello Peter, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:34:54 +0200 GMT (25/07/03, 22:34 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: >> It would be really useful to have an extra mondifier key, so does >> anyone know a way to activate AltGr on US keyboard layouts? > I'm not sure, as I use a German keyboard and char set, but I think I once read > that our right key on American keyboards is represented by > +. Give it a try. My Chinese keyboard works like a US keyboard when I switch the OS to English. I, too, read that crtl-alt should imitate AltGR, but it doesn't. My only way to produce the euro symbol is by using alt-0128 (NumPad). As for a list of codes (like 0128 for the euro symbol), apart from the charset application in Windows (Start / Run / charset), I have an ASCII table printed out and taped to the wall near my screen. I use it for German umlauts as well. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be President, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process." (John F. Kennedy) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
On Friday, July 25, 2003 at 11:22 AM, Alexander wrote: > Hmmm. Thats what I was suspecting. I have the feeling that TB is not as > "fault tolerant" for misbehaving SMTP-servers, or something. Here's what > happens to me *every* time... > 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - sending mail messages - 1 messages in queue > 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - connected to SMTP server > 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (plain)... > 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: Incorrect > authentication data > 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (login)... > 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent (1034 bytes) > 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - connection finished - 1 messages sent > The message is sent, but only after an initial error. It would be > interesting to see what the server actually "says", but I don't know how to > intercept the command/reply exchange. I am no expert in this, so if I am wrong anywhere, I hope someone jumps in to correct me. The log entries are found in TB logs when using either "Regular" connection and SMTP authentication or "Secure to Regular Port" (STARTTLS) connection and SMTP Authentication. You should not have to resend the mail; it should still be delivered to the server. There was some discussion a while back (and hopefully someone will jump in with some info here) where TB was trying to authenticate before STARTTLS and that was creating an error. I thought I saw where it was supposed to be fixed in a new release. I didn't really pay much attention because I use TLS exclusively. I tested it on my machine and I get the same log entries as you do when using either of the above combinations. The error does not require that I resend the mail. I did capture the packets, but it does not seem to me that TB is sending a plain authentication. Of course, I have been known to be wrong. If I use "Regular" connection, I don't get the error when MD5 is available. I can't test "Secure to Regular Port" with MD5 because I don't have access to a server that does that. Sorry I can't tell you more, but this is about the extent of my knowledge. A packet sniffer (protocol analyzer) would get you the data you want to see. There are many of them out there. I use a couple of commercial ones, but Ethereal is one of the best and is free. www.ethereal.com. Using it with windows requires Winpcap. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
Hello Alexander, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:22:11 +0200 GMT (25/07/03, 17:22 +0700 GMT), Alexander wrote: > The message is sent, but only after an initial error. It would be > interesting to see what the server actually "says", but I don't know how to > intercept the command/reply exchange. You can do that with Ehteral (www.ethereal.com). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M> Any specific problem where I could help? Not unless you have a cure for stupidity! - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... £665.95 Retail price of the Beast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyFS9tttnLhkydF1EQLqQgCg65HT9V7bo12PReZJBJfBmVvTkpUAoND/ kRFwDZVASJQE/vlwyDjPKYGT =pyff -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I've spotted why I'm not getting what I was expecting; I was expecting the wrong thing! The message/folder I was trying it out on is threaded by subject and the message was mis-threaded there. Your script sorts out the threading when it's done by reference. Yes? - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... Sometimes too much to drink is not enough. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyFRlNttnLhkydF1EQIpCACfUSRrhhrcidM8Ce7Tcx5qGNEegcAAoIQz LGzwDW1EjKwQV/UReK6buSAC =xkZU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Stuart, > I've been trying to get the Re-thread option working, but I'm not > getting too far ATM. Any specific problem where I could help? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
Am Freitag, 25. Juli 2003 12:52 schrieb Tim: > I almost never use the right Alt key as the left one is much easier to > hit (for me) in most cases. It would be really useful to have an extra > mondifier key, so does anyone know a way to activate AltGr on US > keyboard layouts? Hi Tim, I'm not sure, as I use a German keyboard and char set, but I think I once read that our right key on American keyboards is represented by +. Give it a try. -- Cheers Peter Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M> What doesn't work, The URL? Or the Thread Ignore or RE-Thread M> "functions"? I've been trying to get the Re-thread option working, but I'm not getting too far ATM. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyFH7tttnLhkydF1EQLl2ACg7qXa4h4vG3sfXW67EIDC62KqCVsAnRFU Pz0l7VYkaPC8ZczrldJwWdV5 =pZKn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Euro character
Hello Artemich, On July 24, 2003, 16:52, you wrote: A> Hello Peter, A> Thursday, July 24, 2003, 8:50:54 PM, you wrote: PK>> I use the MicroEd text editor in the BAT and cannot get the Euro PK>> symbol. A> I think that font you are using for MicroEd does not contain Euro A> symbol (Courier for example), so you should change the it in Options/Editor A> Preferences/Display to font that contain Euro sign (Courier New). Thanks all for the comments. You solved the problem, I had to change fonts. I was using Lucida Console, by changing the Courier New it works fine with AltGR&5. -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Stuart, >>>http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/ > I've spent an hour or so trying to make this work without success! What doesn't work, The URL? Or the Thread Ignore or RE-Thread "functions"? I see that you are using "v1.63 Beta/11" , that may be a problem. As you can see I'm only using v1.62i and on Win2K. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients
Hello Mark, Thursday, July 24, 2003, 4:15:12 PM, you wrote: MW> Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when MW> I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient MW> box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for MW> you. A double-click should also add a recipient. I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta? Steve Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients
Hello Allie, Thursday, July 24, 2003, 8:28:54 PM, you wrote: AM> The address book picker should also close when you hit OK. Does it? Yep, sure does and, thanks to the shft/enter tip, it even works! AM> Not that I can think of. :/ I'm wondering why simply arrowing down the AM> list would lead to addresses being selected. This could be the result of AM> unwanted software interaction. You must be right, but i've never seen it before. Very odd. AM> Do you have any macro creating software installed? Do you have any AM> keyboard macros created? Nope, not a single one -- there could theoretically be a conflict between the screen reader and TB -- that would seem to be the case, but I can't see where that conflict would exist. Shft-enter is easier anyway, so I'll stick with that. SMS In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so SMS I'm not sure what they are. AM> The buttons that are on the divider between the address list on the left AM> and the list of addresses to be placed in the To field on the right, are AM> controls to do what you wish to do, i.e., to add addresses to the To AM> list or remove them, add all addresses or remove all addresses. I can try to label them with the screen reader -- the buttons in the add/remove message columns screen behaves the same way meaning they don't speak their function when selected with the screen reader. In that case, I pressed them, one by one, to try and figure out what they actually do :). One thing about trial and error, it often leads to the best solution. AM> By the AM> way, the list on the right is tabbed. The one in focus by default is the AM> To list. But there are also tabs there for CC and BCC. Are you able to AM> 'see' those? Yep, those work perfectly. THey are classed as a "property sheet" which the screen reader can deal with perfectly. I can either hit ctrl-tab to cycle between the tabs, or right arrow. AM> You could join by sending a message using this URL: AM> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, I'm now subscribed. Interestingly enough, my filters don't seem to be working for that list, but that's another topic. SMS>> I've also heard mention of a wish list, but don't know how to SMS>> contribute to that either. AM> You could do that through bugtraq. It's used mainly for bug reporting AM> but there's a place there for posting wishes. AM> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ THanks, will check it out. Steve Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fwd: Making the bat more accessible to screen readers
Hello Thomas, Thursday, July 24, 2003, 11:21:23 PM, you wrote: TF> When Maxim and Stefan were contacted regarding screenreaders a few years TF> ago, they changed a bit so that buttons became accessible etc. But, at TF> the time we were talking only about Jaws, and I think one guy used a TF> hardware solution (Blindows). THanks, I can definitely contact them -- I've also posted the article to the beta list. I've tested TB with the latest Jaws and am getting the same results as with Window Eyes. I'm sure we'll get there, one way or another. Steve Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Center Hangs While Checking Mail Headers
Friday, July 25, 2003, 3:39:48 PM, WL wrote: > ..OTOH, I get a similar problem with 1.62r. When > checking mail and connection center set to automatic, > the communication center window will usually pop up and > go away of its own accord. Every once in a while (3-5 > times a day with 15min automatic checks), the > communication center window will sit on the screen with > no messages or tasks, and the abort and delete task > window will have no affect. If I manually force a check > (F2 key), the comm. center window gets re-used, and > goes away correctly. I've had this problem too. I've noticed that it occurs when I give focus to the connection centre just as it finishes checking for mail. It's never happened when I let it run minimised. Of course, it doesn't happen every time I give focus to the connection centre, either. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Greg, > Thank you! I thought you already knew about it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Center Hangs While Checking Mail Headers
Thursday, July 24, 2003, 10:16:37 PM, Chris Montgomery wrote: CM> [replying to self] CM> Well, I don't know what the problem was, but since this was for my Yahoo CM> account, I went to the web mail page and cleared out the messages using CM> my web browser. Must've been a corrupt message on the server. Problem CM> solved (at least for now). ..OTOH, I get a similar problem with 1.62r. When checking mail and connection center set to automatic, the communication center window will usually pop up and go away of its own accord. Every once in a while (3-5 times a day with 15min automatic checks), the communication center window will sit on the screen with no messages or tasks, and the abort and delete task window will have no affect. If I manually force a check (F2 key), the comm. center window gets re-used, and goes away correctly. I have a feeling this only happens when mail is actually downloaded, but have no other particulars at this point. It seems all the messages are downloaded correctly, though. At first, I thought it was related to the virtual desktop thingie I was playing with, but if somebody else is reporting a similar problem... WL Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >>http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/ I've spent an hour or so trying to make this work without success! - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... I can't be overdrawn, I still have cheques! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyEsVdttnLhkydF1EQKnAQCfcdua8HY/AUHxCTqCffARxr223okAnj7H ahsMR0OBAIAGvWETxOnWcVYz =2Ur8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, Friday, July 25, 2003, MAU MAU wrote: > Depending in what you understand by "comfortable"... Take a look here: >http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/ Thank you! -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
Hi Joe, Monday, July 21, 2003, 3:16:40 AM, you wrote: Joe> Recently I found a problem when using TB. We need to handle Joe> emails according to the time frame. Say, I will need to reply to Joe> the emails arrive at our mail server from 9am to 3pm, my workmate Joe> needs to reply from 3pm to 10pm. Since we are using the same mail Joe> server, if we can divide the emails by the time when they arrive Joe> at our mail server, that will be perfect. Have you ever considered Client/Server feature of TB? The Bat! can act as a standalone e-mail client with your TCP/IP connection; as a non-TCP/IP client to a server on your LAN; and as a server to clients on the network. This feature is very useful when you work with a distributed messages database - server downloads your messages at one place in your network and all of you guys will work in client to server mode and will be able to control mail much better than using a POP server. -- All Best, Constantinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
Hi Tim, on Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:01:40 +1000GMT (25.07.03, 12:01 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : T> Is there an Alt+0??? combination that will do it? Here it is +0128, but then this is German Win98 with a German keyboard with char set ISO-8859-1 or -2 or -15... -- Cheers Peter The irony of life is that no one gets out alive... Winamp currently playing: Shania Twain - I'm Gonna Getcha (Good) [Country Version] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Don't sort.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, July 25, 2003, 9:06:55 AM, Roelof wrote: SH>> How do I /not/ sort? > Sort on an item that's the same for all messages. If you don't park > any messages and subsequently sort on 'parked' then you've got the > messages in the database order. Or try the 'flagged' collumn. > If you'd like to have the option to show messages in database order, > you have to give up one of these possibilities. YES! It works! THANK YOU! TB! actually can display in database order! Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPyEGMLgeqlQz+rfkEQJ5iQCfdoQl+MuiTnbMeOfC/pVdGH3tgA4AnAnh tk+TA/S699YudI2lPSdDZ9bJ =K4t2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Alexander, > I'd also like to have a *comfortable* ;-) way of manually adding mails to > existing threads (I've seen mailers, especially web-frontends, that really > screw things up a lot, not only killing any references but also mangling > the subject so badly threading by subject fails, too). Depending in what you understand by "comfortable"... Take a look here: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/ -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 T> Not much use to me in Australia (everyone assumes that, if we speak T> English, have "dollars" as currency, and go to war when the US says T> because our prime minister likes licking the president's arse, we must T> really be American. We're not.) Very sorry to have troubled you. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... Sometimes too much to drink is not enough. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyENoNttnLhkydF1EQKsngCfRjJWb0PBHiplOGmK9Ayt66GWZqsAniCB 9orXcEbD81XoOm8cRrljt4XA =zBO/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On 25 July 2003, 11:01, Tim wrote: > What is AltGr? ~~~ AltGR is the Alt key to the right of the spacebar. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 A procrastinator's work is never done. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On Friday, 25 July 2003, Stuart Hemming wrote: T>> Thanks. That works for me. (But I still don't know what AltGr means.) SH> On most PC keyboards, it's the Alt key on the right-hand side of the Define "most keyboards". I did another Google search when I read this, and after limiting the search to English language, I found it is "usually the right Alt key on European [some pages said 'international'] keyboards". Not much use to me in Australia (everyone assumes that, if we speak English, have "dollars" as currency, and go to war when the US says because our prime minister likes licking the president's arse, we must really be American. We're not.) An easy way to type is great for me, as I have clients all over the world, some who like invoices in US dollars, some who like invoices in euros, and a majority who would prefer not to be invoiced at all. I almost never use the right Alt key as the left one is much easier to hit (for me) in most cases. It would be really useful to have an extra mondifier key, so does anyone know a way to activate AltGr on US keyboard layouts? -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
Hello, Alexander, all: I believe I've sent some log extracts to the list recently, so won't do that again today. But I've not had this experience where a message is first rejected and then accepted. I appreciate your analysis. The best thing now I expect is that we find a way to make this information available to future Batters with SMTP issues who may follow in our footsteps, our prop wash, this contrail. Fellow Batters, does one best do that? I sometimes wonder if a blog would be a good intermediate step, at least. Best, David A> 25-Jul-2003 03:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (You may remember that I could not achieve the necessary SMTP authentication while _sending mail_ from The Bat through ChoiceMail.) A>>> Just one question - the test mail you were sending with Netscape, did you A>>> send it through ChoiceMail, or directly to the SMTP server? >> It's as if this Netscape client can work with ChoiceMail (and SMTP) in >> ways that The Bat cannot. A> Hmmm. Thats what I was suspecting. I have the feeling that TB is not as A> "fault tolerant" for misbehaving SMTP-servers, or something. Here's what A> happens to me *every* time... A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - sending mail messages - 1 messages in queue A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - connected to SMTP server A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (plain)... A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: Incorrect authentication data A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (login)... A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent (1034 bytes) A> 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - connection finished - 1 messages sent A> The message is sent, but only after an initial error. It would be A> interesting to see what the server actually "says", but I don't know how to A> intercept the command/reply exchange. -- Best regards, David Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
25-Jul-2003 03:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> (You may remember that I could not achieve the necessary SMTP >>> authentication while _sending mail_ from The Bat through ChoiceMail.) A>> Just one question - the test mail you were sending with Netscape, did you A>> send it through ChoiceMail, or directly to the SMTP server? > It's as if this Netscape client can work with ChoiceMail (and SMTP) in > ways that The Bat cannot. Hmmm. Thats what I was suspecting. I have the feeling that TB is not as "fault tolerant" for misbehaving SMTP-servers, or something. Here's what happens to me *every* time... 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - sending mail messages - 1 messages in queue 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - connected to SMTP server 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (plain)... 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: Incorrect authentication data 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (login)... 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent (1034 bytes) 25.07.2003, 12:12:18: SEND - connection finished - 1 messages sent The message is sent, but only after an initial error. It would be interesting to see what the server actually "says", but I don't know how to intercept the command/reply exchange. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) An aggrieved public does not draw the fine line between "Good" science and "Bad" technology... you and I know that Frankenstein was the doctor, not the monster. But it would be well to remember that the people of the village, angered by the monster, marched against the doctor. -- Lyndon Johnson Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 T> Thanks. That works for me. (But I still don't know what AltGr means.) On most PC keyboards, it's the Alt key on the right-hand side of the space bar. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... I like kids but I couldn't eat a whole one. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyECadttnLhkydF1EQLHmwCg8mD4yYMEa+oEdhTVsy2CWPnC+vQAoJLy TlyuCbC+RwkBdzRRwHjDyGGD =5+Mf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
25-Jul-2003 12:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (But I still don't know what AltGr means.) Hmmm. On my keyboard, the Alt key is left of the SpaceBar, AltGr is right... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I am compelled to fear that science will be used to promote the power of dominant groups rather than to make men happy. (Bertrand Russel) Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
25-Jul-2003 12:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can someone recommend a good online list of all the Alt+numeric > codes? Occasionally I google for a specific character, but I never > remember to bookmark whatever site I find. Windows has a tool for that. Not very comfortable because searching is a manual task, but you can show all charsets in all possible encodings, and it will show you the ALT+x combinations. On WinNT/2k/XP it should be %SystemRoot%\System32\charmap.exe -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth. -- Harry S. Truman Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
25-Jul-2003 00:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SH>> Is there any way for getting getting the reference thread type SH>> ordering with subject threaded messages? > No. Hasn't someone mentioned that a future version will have "combined" threading, that is, by both references and subject? (Mutt does that, very lovely). I'd also like to have a *comfortable* ;-) way of manually adding mails to existing threads (I've seen mailers, especially web-frontends, that really screw things up a lot, not only killing any references but also mangling the subject so badly threading by subject fails, too). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The ghost that got into our house on the night of November 17th, 1915, raised such a hullabaloo of misunderstandings that I am sorry I didn't just let it keep on walking, and go to bed. -- James Thurber Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On Friday, 25 July 2003, Geoff Lane wrote: GL> ? can be obtained on keyboards that have a font that includes the Euro GL> by pressing AltGr+4 What is AltGr? I can insert euro symbol in Word though Insert>Symbol, but I've never found a keystroke that will do it in any application. Is there an Alt+0??? combination that will do it? -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On Friday, 25 July 2003, Alexander wrote: A> the rare benefits of Windows :) you can still reach it with ALT+0128. Thanks. That works for me. (But I still don't know what AltGr means.) Can someone recommend a good online list of all the Alt+numeric codes? Occasionally I google for a specific character, but I never remember to bookmark whatever site I find. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Some time around 7/24/2003 18:51:59, I think I heard Roelof Otten say: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:10:20 +0100GMT (24-7-03, 18:10 +0200, where I > live), you wrote: SH>> Is there any way for getting getting the reference thread type SH>> ordering with subject threaded messages? > No. :( Any chance it'll be added as a feature in a coming release? dZ. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On 25 July 2003, 09:30, Jan Oetjen wrote: > what - in return - produces an empty black border rectangle unless the > font you are using is support the ? character in it's font table. ;) ~~~ Just like other characters, the euro symbol is only available when the font includes it. All the Windows "main" fonts (arial, TNR, etc.) now have euro symbols, but you may need to update the fonts on your system to get that symbol. IIRC, you can get the update fonts from the Windows Update site. That said, I didn't tell the full story. AltGr+4 gives the euro symbol on my machine, but some need AltGr+e or another combination. The full story can be found at: https://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itsolutions/techsol/euro/symbol.asp HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 All I did was press this button and !Ł$!(&()%^"Ł%!Ł... Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
25-Jul-2003 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I can get a number of off-key-characters using Alt&letter or >> Alt&Shift&letters but not the euro. > ? can be obtained on keyboards that have a font that includes the Euro > by pressing AltGr+4 (which is how I produced the ?'s in this > paragraph). I believe that depends on at least three different things: the keyboard layout, the used font, and the encoding. For example, the mentioned "Courier New" charset in "Windows/Western" encoding has the Euro symbol at offset 0x80 (hex). You can get the character by pressing (and holding) ALT, then typing (on the numeric pad, thats important) "0128". However, both the DOS/USA and DOS/Western encoding of the same charset don't have the Euro symbol at that offset. But - and I think thats one of the rare benefits of Windows :) you can still reach it with ALT+0128. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and have his shoes. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RO> No. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... 666 KHz AM Radio station of the Beast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPyDi19ttnLhkydF1EQJqoQCg+kqvt7HptHMe9K+CxcC4IoCp+00AoN22 cwxJ48Vru7FqT5xo/jYq3FIx =I9dF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Euro character
Hi Geoff, Am Freitag, 25. Juli 2003 (01:04 Uhr) hast Du in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben... > On 24 July 2003, 18:50, Peter Kerekes wrote: >> I can get a number of off-key-characters using Alt&letter or >> Alt&Shift&letters but not the euro. > ~~~ > ? can be obtained on keyboards that have a font that includes the Euro > by pressing AltGr+4 (which is how I produced the ?'s in this > paragraph). what - in return - produces an empty black border rectangle unless the font you are using is support the ? character in it's font table. ;) Jan -- __ (..) _.o0( )0o.__ I went over to the neighbor's and asked to borrow a cup of salt. 'What are you making?' 'A salt lick.' (Steven Wright) Message created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 Windows XP 5.1-Service Pack 1 (Build 2600), Fujistu-Siemens AMILO D 7820, P4 2.53ghz, 512mb RAM, 40gb HD, ATI Mobility RADEON 9000 (64mb RAM), SIS 645 DX, ENE CB 1420, AC97 Cirrus CS4299 KQ, SIS 962 Southbridge smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Don't sort.
Hallo Stuart, On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:36:18 +0100GMT (24-7-03, 16:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: SH> How do I /not/ sort? Sort on an item that's the same for all messages. If you don't park any messages and subsequently sort on 'parked' then you've got the messages in the database order. Or try the 'flagged' collumn. If you'd like to have the option to show messages in database order, you have to give up one of these possibilities. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
