Re: Junk folder

[Gerard]

Hi tb,

That's a strange name, isn't it


ON Friday, November 7, 2003, 5:33:45 AM, you wrote:

tko> Where is the junk folder? Or, what is a junk folder?

It is a dedicated folder for the BayesIt spamplug in that holds all the
processed emails.

tko> Will it be created automatically by a spam plugin like BayesIt?

Yes

tko> Can it exist as a Common Folder? Can it have any name I choose?


I have not been able to get that done.

tko> 
tko> Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
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As you can see from the presence of the TB! list tag  line in this
reply, you don't have a functional delimiter. Please add
dash-dash-space-newline at the end of your email.
See below for mine, press reply to see the effect.

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Re: Losing Subject in New Message

[Gerard]

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ON Thursday, November 6, 2003, 11:40:28 PM, you wrote:
MDP> It's not an option. It would be something that Steve has composed
MDP> for himself in a template using macros.

Marck,

Ok, then I understand what is happening.

Sorry for the sloppy PGP signing. I am still trying to find the optimum
PGP/MIME signing setting ;-)

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Re: Junk folder

[Gordon Woolf]

Hello Gerard,

On Friday, November 7, 2003, 6:45:55 PM, you wrote:

> tko> Can it exist as a Common Folder? Can it have any name I choose?

> I have not been able to get that done.

I just called a new common folder $junk$ as something said
somewhere (the help files? the website?) and there it was, named
"Junk mail" and with the red cross.

Having got it I'm not sure whether I want it -- it collects junk
sent there by various filters I've told to send stuff there, but
when I delete from it the deleted messages go to the common trash
folder, so it turns one step into two. That may or may not be
good.

Any other folders with special names are there that I don't know
about?

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Re: What is unique about TB?

[MAU]

Hello Kitty,

> I am trying to decide whether to stay with The Bat (moving back to the
> last version 1 version which I guess is 1.62) or whether to simply
> move to another email program.

Do as Melissa tells you, she's wise :)

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PGP 8.0.3 Advice

[Barry]

Hello TBUDL,
I'm a PGP beginner and would like some advice please. Here's my
questions.
1 I had pgp installed and i reformatted and stupidly did'nt back up my
  key pair. Is there a way i can get these back.

2 I've generated a new key pair and i do need to learn how to use pgp
  properly is there a way you can practise verifiying keys and sending
  key's i don't know anyone personally that uses pgp.

3 Is it advisable to upload your keys to a key server. Sorry for the
  newbie questions folks.

  

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Problem - conection crash

[Ciprian Trofin]

Now and then I have a problem: the mail server receives some weird message,
that makes TB break the connection.

The error message is smth like "Last command sent: TOP nnn 0, TOP nnn+1 0".
I telnet-ed the server to manually delete the (supposed) offending message.
Didn't help.

I don't think it is a bug, because (excuse the blasphemy), OE breaks the
connection too. OE can, however, receive the mails, because it doesn't use
the "receive the headers first" method (1) and remembers the message with
the problem, in order to skip it next time it receives mail.

Solution: use OE to DL messages, then import the messages in TB.

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Re: PGP 8.0.3 Advice

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Plusnet,

@7-Nov-2003, 09:59 Barry said to TBUDL:

> 1 I had pgp installed and i reformatted and stupidly did'nt back
> up my key pair. Is there a way i can get these back.

No :-(.

> 2 I've generated a new key pair and i do need to learn how to use
> pgp properly is there a way you can practise verifiying keys and
> sending key's i don't know anyone personally that uses pgp.

Send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is a
mailing list dedicated to PGP newbies and there are a lot of folks
willing to help.

> 3 Is it advisable to upload your keys to a key server.

There are pros and cons. The main pros are that the key is right
there on a public keyserver and it's easily available to anyone who
wants it. The main cons are that anyone can download that key, sign
it without your permission and upload it again with whatever
signature they please. In practice, this doesn't often cause
problems. People don't usually sign keys unless they mean it and the
key owner has sanctioned the signing.

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Re: PGP 8.0.3 Advice

[Vasiliy Efimenko]

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Hello Barry,

On 7 November 2003, at 09:59 + you wrote:

B> Hello TBUDL,
B> I'm a PGP beginner and would like some advice please. Here's my
B> questions.

Actually  this  this  a  list  for  discussing  of  TheBat! questions,
problems, ideas and son on.
I can propose you to subscribe to list was devoted to PGP:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Problem - conection crash

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Ciprian,

@7-Nov-2003, 12:19 +0200 (07-Nov 10:19 UK time) Ciprian Trofin [CT]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

CT> Now and then I have a problem: the mail server receives some
CT> weird message, that makes TB break the connection.
... 
CT> Any other suggestion ?

Temporarily:

1) Turn off the dispatcher (if you're using it)
2) Disable any Selective download filters
3) Disable any "Message size" restrictions in the account properties

I can't think of any other options that make TB download headers
first. Anyone?

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Re[2]: What is unique about TB?

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello, Kitty, Simon & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Thursday, November 6, 2003, Simon said in response to your
saying:

K>> So, I must look at alternatives.

That would like moving to another planet, or as Thomas desires, to
another t  me / space continuum.

S> I  really  think  you'd  be  making a mistake Kitty.

S> If you are having problems with v2 at the moment stick with The
S> Bat! v1.62r for the time being and try a later v2 build. I'm
S> using v1.62r and am very happy with it.

I too still use v. 1.62r and paid the v. 2 upgrade price w/o
installing it until the bugs (which many claim are not that bad on
their machines) are ironed out.

I had used Calypso and Eudora & tried Pegasus among others but
nothing was as stable as TB! on my computer and the rest downloaded
mail from my then 17 accounts simultaneously, not consecutively.

TB!'s multilingual spell checker and pure text handling capabilities
are things I wouldn't want to lose and the columns feature is so
unique that I use it instead of or in conjunction with my word
processors. Then too, the TB! lists are extremely valuable sources
of both TB! and computer info - and where else can you get answers
directly from the developers, the Selective Download and the Mail
Dispatcher?

So why would I want to learn a new command interface? All software
contains glitches or foibles - that's part of the development
process.

S> I will eventually switch to v2 (especially as I've paid for a new
S> licence for it) but I don't have any great urgency at the moment
S> as 1.62r works flawlessly for me.

That was my conclusion also, Simon.

S> It's up to you what you do of course, and you must obviously
S> choose what's best for you, but I've done the email client
S> circuit (tried hundreds of clients) and there's nothing that
S> really matches up to TB! available. If you want to save yourself
S> a load of headaches and get on with mailing just go back to 1.62r
S> and hang on a while...well that's my advice :-)

As Simon says: Sticking w/ TB! makes sense.

I've downloaded but never installed Becky and PocoMail has tried to
copy some TB! features but lacks TB!'s wealth of alternatives.
FoxMail even has a ticker and templates and it's free but I've no
doubt that TB's v. 2 will soon become free of it's quirks.

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Connection Center Confusion?

[Barry Higginbottom]

Dear TB Users

 I have recently upgraded to V2.01.3 from 1.62r

 With 1.62r my connection speed as reported by the connection
 centre was around 2000 cps

 With V2 I am now getting up to 1 cps!

 Is this more efficient coding on V2.0 or is it lying to me! :>)

 I use a std 56K connection with a connection speed around 28-32K

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Re: A small cosmetic template question...

[Simon]

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Hello Marck,

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:49:10 + your time, you said:

MDP>... Empty lines do just get flushed.

I  know nothing because I don't use GnuPG, but would entering ALT 0160
in few times in your template perhaps do it? Just a thought.

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Re: Junk folder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gordon,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:27:50 +1100 GMT (07/11/2003, 15:27 +0700 GMT),
Gordon Woolf wrote:

> Having got it I'm not sure whether I want it -- it collects junk
> sent there by various filters I've told to send stuff there, but
> when I delete from it the deleted messages go to the common trash
> folder, so it turns one step into two. That may or may not be
> good.

Some people want to store the junk mail, in order to read through it
later and see whether there is a false positive. Or they just collect
junk mails in order to train another Bayesian filter later.

> Any other folders with special names are there that I don't know
> about?

All system folders:
$Inbox$
$Outbox$
etc

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Re: Connection Center Confusion?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Barry,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:45:27 + GMT (07/11/2003, 19:45 +0700 GMT),
Barry Higginbottom wrote:

>  With V2 I am now getting up to 1 cps!

10,000 characters per second should be 10,000 bytes/sec = 80k bits per
second.

>  Is this more efficient coding on V2.0 or is it lying to me! :>)
>  I use a std 56K connection with a connection speed around 28-32K

The figure of 1 cps seems unrealistic to me. But I cannot confirm
this over here, I always get realistic download speeds shown in the
connection center.

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Delete as a shortcut

[Allen]

I've  botched  up  a  few of my keyboard shortcuts by mistake and now am
unable to reconfigure them as desired.  Attempting to assign the del key
to  the  delete function simply clears the keyboard shortcut (setting it
to None) . . . any idea how I might accomplish this?

Thanks...

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have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at all. -George W.
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Re: Delete as a shortcut

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Allen,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:50:31 -0500GMT (7-11-03, 16:50 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

A> I've  botched  up  a  few of my keyboard shortcuts by mistake and now am
A> unable to reconfigure them as desired.  Attempting to assign the del key
A> to  the  delete function simply clears the keyboard shortcut (setting it
A> to None) . . . any idea how I might accomplish this?

'Del' is the default for that function. You can restore that by
deleting the 'shortcuts.cfg' file in your mail directory. However,
that has as consequence that all of your custm made shortcuts will be
gone..

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Re-routing HTML messages

[JRS2]

Hello,

I am a relatively early user of TheBAT.  I know that there are
good reasons only display HTML messages (or parts there of), in
TheBAT, that do not require access to the web.

My problem is that I do not know how to forward these HTML
messages so that they will 1) look the same as they do in TheBAT's
HTML view or 2) if I am secure about the web access content/info,
to forward it so that it looks as the originator intended.

Can any of you more experience people help?

--  Thanks,  John

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Re[3]: What is unique about TB?

[Kitty]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 05:39:41 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote:
>
>
>
> S> If you are having problems with v2 at the moment stick with The
> S> Bat! v1.62r for the time being and try a later v2 build. I'm S>
> using v1.62r and am very happy with it.
>
> I too still use v. 1.62r and paid the v. 2 upgrade price w/o
> installing it until the bugs (which many claim are not that bad on
> their machines) are ironed out.


If the bugs are ironed out, fine.  My concern is that I don't see that
anyone is even acknowledging the Base64 problem or working on it.  I
keep seeing messages to just set to post in quotable printable as if
that will solve all the problems.  However, I've done that long ago
and it isn't solving the problem.  My concern is that this is a low
incidence buy and isn't even being looked at.

>
> I had used Calypso and Eudora & tried Pegasus among others but
> nothing was as stable as TB! on my computer and the rest downloaded
> mail from my then 17 accounts simultaneously, not consecutively.

So far, if I switched to anything it would be Pocomail which has run
without problem so far.  I suspect I will move back to 1.62 of TB
tonight and will run both programs for awhile.

>
> TB!'s multilingual spell checker and pure text handling
> capabilities are things I wouldn't want to lose and the columns
> feature is so unique that I use it instead of or in conjunction
> with my word processors.

None of those things are critical to me.  That said, TB has other
features that are important to me but I'm not sure yet how unique they
are to TB.


>Then too, the TB! lists are extremely
> valuable sources of both TB! and computer info - and where else can
> you get answers directly from the developers, the Selective
> Download and the Mail Dispatcher?

I agree the lists are very valuable.  I am disappointed, however, that
I can't seem to get a solution to the Base64 problem and I think that
demonstrates that this is a true bug.  FWIW, Pocomail has a web forum
that has been very responsive to questions and has developer support.

> So why would I want to learn a new command interface? All software
> contains glitches or foibles - that's part of the development
> process.

Of course and most glitches and foibles don't bother me.  I've been
running TB betas for the past few years without a qualm.

However, the glitch right now is very crippling for me.  The messages
I am sending to a variety of places that I post to regularly are going
in Base64 and I can't tell in advance whether this will happen or not.
 That is more than a minor glitch or foible.  It makes v. 2 unusable
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Re: What is unique about TB?

[Mark Wieder]

Simon-

Thursday, November 6, 2003, 6:02:12 PM, you wrote:

K>> So, I must look at alternatives.

S> I  really  think  you'd  be  making a mistake Kitty. If you are having

I think it's never a mistake to look into alternatives. At the very
least it may give you something to suggest for enhancements. I do look
around every once in a while, just to see what else is out there.

And each time I do I realize that there's nothing that even comes
close to fitting my needs for an email client. I'd have to redesign my
workflow completely if I had to switch to something else.

I *do* use Eudora on my macs, but only because there's no TB client
for OSX. Although, since OSX is built somewhat around FreeBSD, if the
fabled TB linux client ever materializes I'll be switching over
without thinking twice about it. Eudora's interface has always seemed
too cartoony to me.

-- 
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Double mails due to filter in sorting office?

[Edgar]

Hello All,

I hope someone can help me with this, so I re-post it.

I've the following problem:

I have a filter in my sorting office for "read mail" and one for
"answered mail"

They both look the same:
(see at the bottom of this mail)

When I receive the mail I open the view folder, when I see I need
to answer it I open a reply. (The view folder stays open)

When the reply is send the message is moved to the desired folder.
When I look into that folder: Map voor dinges
There are 3 messages.

When I do the above and select that the view folder will be
closed when answering mail there are 2 messages (one answered one
viewed).

Is this a bug or due to the 3 sets:

MainSet: 00dinges
AltSet:1: 00test
AltSet:2: 00nogmaals


(mail filters)

BeginFilter
Name: Dinges (Known)
Active: 1
Source: \\Account\$KNOWN$
Target: \\Account\Personen\Map voor dinges
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00dinges
AltSet:1: 00test
AltSet:2: 00nogmaals
Actions: faoContinueProcessing,faoAdvNoParked
AddGroups:
DelGroups:
ForwardTemplate:
ConfirmTemplate:
ReplyTemplate:
FwdAddr:
RedirectAddr:
NewAddr:
NewTemplate:
ExtCmd:
ExtFile:
ExtractDir:
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups:
NoAddrGroups:
KillFile:
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate:
SndFile:
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

BeginFilter
Name: Dinges
Active: 1
Source: \\Account\$KNOWN$
Target: \\Account\Personen\Map voor dinges
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00dinges
AltSet:1: 00test
AltSet:2: 00nogmaals
Actions: faMarkRead,faoContinueProcessing,faoAdvNoParked
AddGroups:
DelGroups:
ForwardTemplate:
ConfirmTemplate:
ReplyTemplate:
FwdAddr:
RedirectAddr:
NewAddr:
NewTemplate:
ExtCmd:
ExtFile:
ExtractDir:
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups:
NoAddrGroups:
KillFile:
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate:
SndFile:
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

-- 
Cheers,
 Edgar

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searching in folders

[rich gregory]

Hello Batters!

I have a number of emails that contain the 2 strings "amazon" AND "password".  The 
strings may (or may not) both be in the body OR subject, etc.  I need to find the most 
recent one so I know what my current password is!

In trying to find them I run a search set as:
Check the "Anywhere" box
Enter the search string "amazon & password"
Choose folders these messages are known to be in

No hits are returned.  Any ideas?

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Re: Delete as a shortcut

[Allen]

11/7/2003, 11:23 AM: Roelof said in "Delete as a shortcut"

A>> Attempting  to  assign  the  del  key  to the delete function simply
A>> clears the keyboard shortcut (setting it to None) . . . any idea how
A>> I might accomplish this?

RO> 'Del' is the default for that function. You can restore that by
RO> deleting the 'shortcuts.cfg' file in your mail directory. However,
RO> that has as consequence that all of your custm made shortcuts will be
RO> gone..

Right, am aware of that method -- and, as I'm sure you can understand, I
don't  like  it.   I have a lot of customized shortcuts and really don't
want  to  pay  for  an  inadvertent  typo  by  forfeiting them all . . .
shouldn't   there  be  some  way  for us to restore these without having
to RE-SET the whole thing?



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Re: Delete as a shortcut

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Allen,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:28:25 -0500GMT (7-11-03, 21:28 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> 'Del' is the default for that function. You can restore that by
RO>> deleting the 'shortcuts.cfg' file in your mail directory. However,

A> Right, am aware of that method -- and, as I'm sure you can understand, I
A> don't  like  it.   I have a lot of customized shortcuts and really don't

Close TB
Move your shortcuts.cfg to a safe place.
Start TB
Create a new shortcut
Close TB
Check with a hexeditor what code Ritlabs gave to the Del key in your
new shortcuts.cfg.
Edit your old shortcuts.cfg and move it back
Start TB and try your shortcuts.

As I don't use a hexeditor I can't test this method, but it should
work.

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Re: Double mails due to filter in sorting office?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Edgar,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:44:21 +0100GMT (7-11-03, 20:44 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

E> I have a filter in my sorting office for "read mail" and one for
E> "answered mail"

E> They both look the same:
E> (see at the bottom of this mail)

As I read your message, our problem is due to the fact that the
message is processed by both filters. That could be considered a bug,
a design flaw or a feature.

It has been mentioned before on this list that even deleting a message
won't prevent 'read mail' filters from processing it.

However, the easiest way to solve your problem is to delete your
'answered mail' filter, since it won't be likely that you answer mail
without reading it.

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Re: What is unique about TB?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Kitty,

@7-Nov-2003, 13:08 -0600 (07-Nov 19:08 UK time) Kitty said:

> If the bugs are ironed out, fine. My concern is that I don't see
> that anyone is even acknowledging the Base64 problem or working on
> it.

I don't think there's a problem in that area. That's why. We're yet
to identify exactly what's going on, but I don't think that TB is
sending base 64 from your system. That's why nobody will acknowledge
the problem. It doesn't actually happen the way it's being reported.
I'm beginning to believe that a server is translating your messages
to base 64 when routing it.

Why?

I've had a thought about that.

The posts to these lists that end up base 64 encoded are always
replies, right? Well, one thing TB does that other mail software
doesn't is to reply in the originating character set. Perhaps the
combination of Content-Type: header and QP Encoding is causing a
routing server (outbound from your end) to convert to base 64.

A simple work-around is to code your reply template for the list to
force the character set to Latin-1 with a %CHARSET="ISO-8859-1".

> None of those things are critical to me.  That said, TB has other
> features that are important to me but I'm not sure yet how unique
> they are to TB.

Well, if you tell us what is important to you, then those in the
know can make comments about that.

> FWIW, Pocomail has a web forum that has been very responsive to
> questions and has developer support.

There are TB support forums out there too. I just think that forums
are pretty lame for support because, as a support person, you have
to go look for the current issues and make a great deal more effort
to do so before you can help out. With a list, the questions just
arrive and you can answer them at will. Much easier for a volunteer
support team to handle.

> However, the glitch right now is very crippling for me.  The
> messages I am sending to a variety of places that I post to
> regularly are going in Base64 and I can't tell in advance whether
> this will happen or not.

Not *one* of your posts to these lists with v2 came in as base64.
Even replies to non-Latin1 messages. That tells me that v2 is not
the culprit. It doesn't tell me why you are being afflicted in this
way though :-/.

> That is more than a minor glitch or foible. It makes v. 2 unusable
> for me at this time.

It's a shame, because I don't even think it's TB's fault. I'd love
to see a MIME forward of a before / after example of these postings
- a copy of what was in your sent folder and a copy of what you
received back, base64 encoded, from the list. That would tell quite
a lot. Send it off-list if you can.

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Re: Re-routing HTML messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello JRS2,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:45:36 -0500 GMT (08/11/2003, 01:45 +0700 GMT),
JRS2 wrote:

> My problem is that I do not know how to forward these HTML
> messages so that they will 1) look the same as they do in TheBAT's
> HTML view or 2) if I am secure about the web access content/info,
> to forward it so that it looks as the originator intended.

Forward them as MIME-attachment.

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Re: searching in folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello rich,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:14:43 -0500 GMT (08/11/2003, 03:14 +0700 GMT),
rich gregory wrote:

> In trying to find them I run a search set as:
>   Check the "Anywhere" box
>   Enter the search string "amazon & password"
>   Choose folders these messages are known to be in

> No hits are returned.  Any ideas?

I am not sure, but try this: "amazon&&password".
No blanks, and double ampersand.
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Re: What is unique about TB?

[Gordon Woolf]

On Saturday, November 8, 2003, 11:45:38 AM, Marck wrote on the
"base64 problem":

> I don't think there's a problem in that area. That's why.

> Well, one thing TB does that other mail software
> doesn't is to reply in the originating character set. Perhaps the
> combination of Content-Type: header and QP Encoding is causing a
> routing server (outbound from your end) to convert to base 64.

Maybe that's part of the explanation, and your forced character
set (presumably in all or at least most reply templates) is worth
a try, but your idea of a recalcitrant server en route doesn't
explain why I've seen such a message in the Outbox before it went
anywhere! I now often reopen messages in the Outbox to see what
they look like, so have caught the one I've had since the initial
embarrassment of sending such a message to a list I own. Or at
least no one has since told me I'm sending them nonsense.

Yes, these base64 messages obviously come about as a result of
being replies to other messages, but that is more than half of what
email is about.

However, based on what you say, despite there being several
people who experience this problem, those who don't experience it
don't seem to really believe those who do.

We'll go away and quietly cry...

--
Gordon Woolf
The Worsley Press
Hastings, Victoria, Australia
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Re[4]: What is unique about TB?

[Jim D]

On 11/7/2003, in  Kitty said:

K> However, the glitch right now is very crippling for me.  The messages
K> I am sending to a variety of places that I post to regularly are going
K> in Base64 and I can't tell in advance whether this will happen or not.
K>  That is more than a minor glitch or foible.  It makes v. 2 unusable
K> for me at this time.

  Has anyone else that uses TB tried to post to the same places you
  are? I would be happy to give it a shot if you show the way. I think
  this would isolate the problem as being a repeatable TB bug, or
  something strange with just your instance of TB.

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