Re: TB2 CE doesn't remember folders columns settings

[Quin Selman]

Hello Ken,

Thursday, January 8, 2004, 12:52:24 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Alexander,

> Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:56:31 PM, you wrote:

AAG>> Hello Batmans!

AAG>> After upgrading to TB2 CE I've encountered  then TB got a new options,
AAG>> concerning folder settings BUT now it wont remember folder settings
AAG>> and every start loads something default for ALL folders.

AAG>> Have i missed something?
AAG>> Any advices would be very appreciable!

> This has been discussed extensively in the past. Check the archives
> - I posted a method a few weeks back...

Good luck with the archives. They are a very poor substitute for
proper documentation. It may be that TB! will never be fully
documented in understandable English (and other languages).

Program offerings that allow documentation to slide for years are more
likely to (eventually) appeal mostly to their beta testers and small
numbers of other curious souls who don't mind spending more time
trying to understand the program than in using it.

Just my opinion.

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Re: Template addressing problem

[Chris]

On Thursday, January 8, 2004 at 9:23:40 PM, Munango-Keewati wrote in
the message "Template addressing problem"
:


> I've just verified a problem with template addressing. If I start a
> new message while in my tbudl folder, the message template contains:
Uh oh! Sounds like a folder level template problem...

> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

> as the last line of the template,so the new message is addressed to
> this list. Discovering that (once again) I've forgotten to go to the
> inbox (and a different template) before beginning a new message, I
> then delete the tbudl address from the To: line and enter the
> correct address for the message. When I look back later (or mail the
> message) I discover that the tbudl address has returned and the
> message now has two recipients.

> Is this a bug?
No.

> What's going on here?
This is one of the many perils of folder level templates. For more
information about them see:
"http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html#template woes"
Remove the quotes before trying to access this URL.

NOTE to owner of the above URL:
Spaces are not allowed in (X)HTML anchors.

Since you haven't changed anything in the body of the e-mail message
but you have changed the headers, The Bat! reevaluates the template so
that automatic salutations, etc. are automatically updated.

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Re: IMAP, Crackle, POP

[ken green]

ken green wrote:
> do I need IMAP?


One thing I forgot to post: one of the big advantages of using IMAP is
the ability to send a message (business mail) remotely and then synch
the Sent folder when I return to the office.

My workaround at the moment is setting up an e-mail alias (sent@) that
gets sorted to my Sent folder on my desktop.  When I use my business
account on the road, I Bcc the sent@ address with new/reply templates.

Not ideal, but it works.

So anyone want to weigh in on the pros and cons of IMAP and POP3?

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Template addressing problem

[Munango-Keewati]

I've just verified a problem with template addressing. If I start a
new message while in my tbudl folder, the message template contains:

%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

as the last line of the template,so the new message is addressed to
this list. Discovering that (once again) I've forgotten to go to the
inbox (and a different template) before beginning a new message, I
then delete the tbudl address from the To: line and enter the correct
address for the message.  When I look back later (or mail the message)
I discover that the tbudl address has returned and the message now has
two recipients.

Is this a bug?  What's going on here?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Unusual spam

[Arjan de Groot]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:20:33 -0600, Kitty wrote:

>>It's just a new spammers trick to circumvent Bayesian filter
>>detection. Press F9 to see the raw message body and you most
>>probably will find an HTML-ized URL like this one:

>Bingo. Had a message like that and when I did F9 the below
>popped up. I guess I'm not understanding though why someone
>would do this if you have to look at F9 to find the content.
>Or, does it display differently to people who don't use TB?

This type of Spam is aimed primarily at MS Outlook Express users
(i.e. the large majority of Internet users). Outlook Express uses
the MS Internet Explorer HTML rendering engine to automagically
download and display those URLs. So, if one is online and viewing
the Spam message with OE, the linked pictures will be visible in
the message body.

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Re: Stream, Linear, Column

[Robin Anson]

On Fri 9 January 2004, 2:25:43 +1000, Leif Gregory wrote:
> They're actually easier than that...
> 
> Hold down ALT while selecting text with the mouse for Column
> Hold down CTRL while selecting text with the mouse for Line
> Hold down SHFT while selecting text with the mouse for Stream

Thanks Leif, this is a good one to know!

In fact you don't even need to select text, simply ALT-click, SHIFT-click
or CTRL-click in the editor.
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Re: Removing from this list.

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Mark,

@8-Jan-2004, 17:49 -0600 (08-Jan 23:49 UK time) Mark Thomas [MT] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MT>   I deleted the email that tells me how to subscribe/unsubscribe from
MT>   this list.
MT>   I need to drop the extra emails for a while.
MT>   Can someone forward the Unsubscribe info to me!

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the TB lists. Clicking that link will take you to the page
containing all the information you need to manage a subscription on
the TB lists.

Or, with a message from one of the TB lists selected, you may click
on the 'Specials' menu item and choose one of the options from the
'Mailing List' sub-menu.

When leaving the list, don't forget to reply to the confirmation
request from the list server. Your departure will not complete
without it!

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Re: Removing from this list.

[Chris]

On Thursday, January 8, 2004 at 6:49:48 PM, Mark Thomas wrote in the
message "Removing from this list."
:

> I deleted the email that tells me how to subscribe/unsubscribe from
> this list. I need to drop the extra emails for a while. Can someone
> forward the Unsubscribe info to me!
All the subscribe/unsubscribe information can be found at the URL at
the bottom of every e-mail:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

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Removing from this list.

[Mark Thomas]

Hello tbudl,

  I deleted the email that tells me how to subscribe/unsubscribe from
  this list.
  I need to drop the extra emails for a while.
  Can someone forward the Unsubscribe info to me!

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Re: Failed sending messages to this group

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Thomas,

@8-Jan-2004, 19:38 -0300 (08-Jan 22:38 UK time) Thomas Martin [TM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

>> Please fix your "name mangling" macro. It keeps using the email
>> address instead of the name to form the '[Name] on TheBat! UDL'
>> part of the address line.

TM> Will do so, but this only happens in _this_ list. I have in
TM> total 12 other, never had a problem on these others .

It will happen on every list you where end up with this as an
address line:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] on listname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

It's a very bad violation of the RFCs.

It happened to someone else recently on the SecureBat list.

No list server in its right mind should accept a message addressed
like that! If other lists accept your postings then I would assume
that those messages aren't being given completely RFC invalid
address lines.

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Re: Failed sending messages to this group

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Marck,

on Thursday, 8. January 2004, at 22:13:28 [GMT +] you wrote:

> Please fix your "name mangling" macro. It keeps using the email
> address instead of the name to form the '[Name] on TheBat! UDL' part
> of the address line.

Will do so, but this only happens in _this_ list. I have in total 12 other,
never had a problem on these others .


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Re: Failed sending messages to this group

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Thomas,

@8-Jan-2004, 17:28 -0300 (08-Jan 20:28 UK time) Thomas Martin [TM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TheBat!UDL:

(another on escaped)

TM> strange things happen. Sometimes i can't send messages to this group,
TM> sometimes yes. Ideas?

TM> ,- [ Report ]
TM> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TM> | SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data:
TM> | host draenor.its-toasted.org [62.80.28.8]: 550 Syntax error in 'To' header:
TM> | malformed address: on TheBat!  UDL List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] may not follow
TM> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
TM> | failing address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TheBat!  UDL List
TM> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
TM> `-

Please fix your "name mangling" macro. It keeps using the email
address instead of the name to form the '[Name] on TheBat! UDL' part
of the address line. This is creating very bad address lines. The
clue is in the report. It's pretty clear that it is wrong and pretty
clear exactly *what* is wrong.

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Re: Failed sending messages to this group

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Thomas,

@8-Jan-2004, 17:28 -0300 (08-Jan 20:28 UK time) Thomas Martin [TM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TheBat!UDL:

TM> strange things happen. Sometimes i can't send messages to this group,
TM> sometimes yes. Ideas?

TM> ,- [ Report ]
TM> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TM> | SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data:
TM> | host draenor.its-toasted.org [62.80.28.8]: 550 Syntax error in 'To' header:
TM> | malformed address: on TheBat!  UDL List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] may not follow
TM> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
TM> | failing address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TheBat!  UDL List
TM> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
TM> `-

Please fix your "name mangling" macro. It keeps using the email
address instead of the name to form the ". This is creating very bad address
lines. The clue is in the report. It's pretty clear that it is wrong
and pretty clear exactly *what* is wrong.

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Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Stuart,

@8-Jan-2004, 16:52 Stuart Hemming [SH] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MDP>> It's a good scheme. I just use an AB group scheme myself.

SH> Do you have to manually clear out the AB group when you switch the
SH> filter off or is there a way of doing that automagically?

Yes. It's just as easy to empty the group and repopulate it with the
constants.

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Failed sending messages to this group

[Thomas Martin]

Hello TB List,

strange things happen. Sometimes i can't send messages to this group,
sometimes yes. Ideas?


,- [ Report ]
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data:
| host draenor.its-toasted.org [62.80.28.8]: 550 Syntax error in 'To' header:
| malformed address: on TheBat!  UDL List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] may not follow
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
| failing address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TheBat!  UDL List
| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-


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IMAP, Crackle, POP

[ken green]

I seem to find quite a bit of information about IMAP to be inconsistent.
It also seems that most of the e-mail clients that I have tried,
implement IMAP rather crudely (ranging from a few quirks to LOTS of
problems).

What I am wondering is: do I need IMAP?

My ISP offers both POP3 and IMAP services. For a long time I only used
POP3 - that was all I knew outside of using Outlook with an Exchange
Server. When I started asking about IMAP and its usefullness, the
answers I got varied. I had heard that I *should* access my mail with
one or the other - that is, if I am accessing a mailbox from more than
one machine, they should all be accessing via POP or all using IMAP -
not mixed access. I had also heard that as long as I used POP3 on my
main computer, and used IMAP for remote access (laptop, etc.) I would be
OK.

IIRC, I did some testing with using POP on one computer and IMAP on
another, and had some problems with duplicate messages and read flags
getting set correctly. Whether these problems were due to the particular
mail client (and its implementation of IMAP) or due to the issue of
accessing mail via two different protocols, I don't know.

What I do know is what I want:  
1. I want to have my desktop as my main computer. I want to download,
   organize and store mail there.
2. I want to be able to access all of my mail from anywhere, and 
3. have the ability to reply from my business account even if I'm using dial-up.  
4. I would like to be able to occasionally download mail on my laptop
   for offline reading/processing, while still leaving a copy on the server
   so when I return to my desk it will can be downloaded there.
5. I would like for this to be simple

Obviously #1 shouldn't be a problem. #2 is fine using a web-based mail
interface. (Actually, web-based mail seems to be the best handler of
IMAP I've seen so far - I use Horde's IMP and it works pretty well.) The
problem with web-based access is that I must stay online to go through
multiple messages, which can be a big deal sometimes. The positive of
using web-based mail for remote access is that I can accomplish #2 and
#3 with ease. The negative is not being able to do #4, and also not
having a very good address book.

I realize that #3 is mostly an ISP issue.

I have tried using Mail Dispatcher in The Bat, and this seems like it
would work - set to always use Dispatcher on my laptop,
downloading/saving mail when needed, leave a copy on the server. I like
using Message Dispatcher when travelling. I think I ended up missing
some messages when I tried downloading mail at my desk using IMAP - the
read flags were causing The Bat to *not* download messages I wanted to
download - I realize that's the way IMAP is supposed to work ;) But is
there a better way?

I tried out Becky e-mail, and that product has an excellent IMAP
interface that allows me to read/process messages on the server as well
as download mail when needed. (I tried out PocoMail, too, and will post
my review of that later.) Becky may be a solution for mobile use, but it
lacks some features I want in my main e-mail client - and really, I just
want to use one e-mail client.

So, back to my first questions... Is it *bad* to access a mailbox using
different protocols from different access points? What are the issues
that should concern me? Should I use POP3 at my desk/main computer and
IMAP everywhere else? What are the pros/cons of that?

Oh yeah - one more thing... Because I use a filter on one account that
re-directs messages to my cell phone, I keep TB on my desk computer
running while I'm gone during the day. So I need the ability to have the
desk computer regularly hitting the server, and still be able to access
mail away from the desk.

Looks like 4 scenarios:

POP3 at my desk and IMAP remotely
POP3 at my desk and POP3/IMAP remotely (POP3 on laptop, IMAP if without
   laptop and using web interface)
IMAP at my desk and IMAP remotely
IMAP at my desk and POP3/IMAP remotely

I'm sure I've over-thought this issue to death. Despite IMAP's supposed
advantages, I'm completely willing to use POP3 exclusively if it
simplifies things and I can do what I want.

I realize that this post isn't too Bat-centric, but I finally downloaded
and installed the Christmas Edition on my laptop. So far, it looks
pretty cool, but posts here indicate IMAP is still very problematic.
However, to me (and from what I understand about the IMAP protocol), it
seems like TB is on the right track with IMAP. The way IMAP accounts are
set up now makes more sense. It *shouldn't* be something as simple as a
dropdown selecting POP or IMAP.

Anyway, long post, I know. I would really appreciate anyone's comments,
help, advice, etc.

Thanks.

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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Nick,

on Thursday, 8. January 2004, at 11:17:39 [GMT -0700] you wrote:

> snip

a list of all available Plugins is always available on my page. Sorry its
in German


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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Nick,

on Thursday, 8. January 2004, at 11:17:39 [GMT -0700] you wrote:

> I'd be interested in looking at the Macro Plugin, but I do not see any
> reference to it in any of the Resource Pages available. Do you know if
> it's available somewhere?

There ar two Macro Plugins available at the moment:

MyMacro Plugin
http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/

TBPajs Macro
http://ajs.pisem.net/


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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Andre,

Thursday, January 8, 2004, 10:25:26 AM, you wrote:

AW> There are also macro plugins. According to Stef additional plugin
AW> interfaces are planned for version 2.1

Do you know where I can look at this Macro Plugin? Is there a Plugins
page somewhere? I checked Marck's page but couldn't see any reference to
Plugins.

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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, January 8, 2004, 9:47:14 AM, you wrote:

> These kinds of plugin are in the moment available.

> Anti Virus Plugin
> Anti-Spam Plugin
> Macro Plugin

I'd be interested in looking at the Macro Plugin, but I do not see any
reference to it in any of the Resource Pages available. Do you know if
it's available somewhere?

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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Nick,

On 8 Jan 2004 at 09:21:59 -0700 GMT [17:21 CET] you wrote:

D>> TB’s plug-ins now finally have a real use outside of antivirus: antispam.

NA> Is that the limit with using Plugins? Are there any other Plugins
NA> available... or plans to introduce more of them? I have no idea what one
NA> can do with Plugins, but RITLabs includes the ability now to use them so
NA> just wondering what, if any, plans are on the table.

There are also macro plugins. According to Stef additional plugin
interfaces are planned for version 2.1


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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Thomas Martin]

Hello St,

on Thursday, 8. January 2004, at 18:45:25 [GMT +0100] you wrote:

>> The problem of developing new plugin is limited because of the not well
>> developed API Interface of TheBat!

>   How do these plug-ins work "schematic"? 

Have a look:

The Bat! Common Plug-in Application Programming Interface (CP API). Official
document released on September 10, 2003.

http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/cp-api.zip

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Address book: default display name as

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

This is a new feature, to me, in 2.0. Is there a way that I can
configure my preferred default display name as, viz, last, first
middle?

Thanks.

Leonard
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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[St - Musaic.Net]

> The problem of developing new plugin is limited because of the not well
> developed API Interface of TheBat!

  How do these plug-ins work "schematic"? From the word _plug-in_ I figure
  it is like downloading mail SMTP/IMAP -> Plug-In -> The Bat, right? How
  do the plug-in grab the info, and how do it forwards it after processing?
  Are there any standard procedures one can use in Visual Basic for example?
  I know Visual Basic pretty...erm...alright... If I wanted to do a plug-in
  for The Bat, what do I need to learn about? I do not know API - am I
  stranded?

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Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply

[Stuart Hemming]

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MDP> It's a good scheme. I just use an AB group scheme myself.
Do you have to manually clear out the AB group when you switch the
filter off or is there a way of doing that automagically?

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, January 08, 2004, 10:16 AM, you wrote:

TF> I see Andre has helped you out while I was indeed sleeping!

TF> Happy New Year to you too, and may all your mails be threaded properly
TF> without much effort and your spam limited to a minimum. ;-)

Absolutely minimum effort now. I put Andre's line in my Reply
templates, including Account, tbudl and other TB! mailing lists, and
TF's personal mail address, along with the others--less than a
hundred--in my addressbook--so it took about 3 minutes time.

This reply automatically went to the account that's able to send. :)
Thanks to Andre's little addition, that is:

%account='marybull'%-

I'm showing that again, in case anyone else should ever run into my
particular problem and be searching the Archives for help. :)

As to Spam, I fear that like the Poor in the New Testament, it will
always be with us. :)  However, I find only two or three in each
hundred messages that the Mail Dispatcher lists.

I've been pretty prudent about where I put my e-mail address, ever
since it got harvested last year and about 10,000 Spam an hour were
being bounced back to my machine!  Never again, one hopes!!

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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Nick,

on Thursday, 8. January 2004, at 09:21:59 [GMT -0700] you wrote:

> Is that the limit with using Plugins? Are there any other Plugins
> available... or plans to introduce more of them? I have no idea what one
> can do with Plugins, but RITLabs includes the ability now to use them so
> just wondering what, if any, plans are on the table.

These kinds of plugin are in the moment available.

Anti Virus Plugin
Anti-Spam Plugin
Macro Plugin

The problem of developing new plugin is limited because of the not well
developed API Interface of TheBat!

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Re: Unusual spam

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Kitty,

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:20:33 -0600 GMT (08/01/2004, 08:20 +0700 GMT),
Kitty wrote:

AdG>> It's just a new spammers trick to circumvent Bayesian filter
AdG>> detection. Press F9 to see the raw message body and you most
AdG>> probably will find an HTML-ized URL like this one:

> Bingo.   Had a message like that and when I did F9 the below popped
> up.  I guess I'm not understanding though why someone would do this if
> you have to look at F9 to find the content.  Or, does it display
> differently to people who don't use TB?

Usually these messages have a nonsensical plain-text parts and the
real spam is in the HTML part. If your default setting is to view
HTML, in TB or any other mailer, you will see the spam. The one you
sent had also a non-sensical HTML part, which leads to assumptions as
to the intelligence of the spammer...

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Re: not receiving attachments

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:06:44 -0600 GMT (08/01/2004, 03:06 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

> Thanks Marck, I will do that today.  This may not be useful, but just
> now, there was a message that I *know* had a Word attachment because I
> viewed it away from my desk.

That's a nice work-around. How many meters do you have to go away from
your desk to view the attachment?

scnr.

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Re: TB! Magazine Review

[Nick Andriash]

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Hello Darrin,

Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 10:03:36 PM, you wrote:

D> TB’s plug-ins now finally have a real use outside of antivirus: antispam.

Is that the limit with using Plugins? Are there any other Plugins
available... or plans to introduce more of them? I have no idea what one
can do with Plugins, but RITLabs includes the ability now to use them so
just wondering what, if any, plans are on the table.

- --
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   -=Creston, B.C.  Canada=-
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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello marybull,

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:48:09 -0600 GMT (08/01/2004, 00:48 +0700 GMT),
marybull wrote:

T>> When you view the original message, go to View / Follow-up to. Copy
T>> the references by highliting them and hitting crtl-C.

> There is no "Follow-up" on my View menu. [...]

> So I copied the References and put them in the proper place.

I see Andre has helped you out while I was indeed sleeping!

Happy New Year to you too, and may all your mails be threaded properly
without much effort and your spam limited to a minimum. ;-)

> Hi Thomas-the-Perpetual-Helper-of-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginners!

Just trying...

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Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Shemming,

@8-Jan-2004, 14:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [S] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

S> I'm thinking of trying to implement this in TB! using filters.

S> First off, has anyone done this? I'm not so bored that I want to
S> reinvent the wheel.

Yes, I have.

S> 1. I only want to send out the OOO message once to each person
S> that mails me, regardless of how many messages they send.

Indeed.

S> 2. I will create a filter that puts each incoming message in to a
S> particular colour group the show it needs OOO processing.

S> 3. For each 'named' AB group, if the sender's name is found then
S> I will change the message's colour group to say that it has been
S> processed.

S> 4. If I do not find the sender's address then an OOO message will
S> be sent and the colour group changed.

S> 5. When I switch off the filter I will empty the OOO AB group.

S> The idea behind 2 is that I can have more than one AB group which
S> means that I can have a list of addresses that never get an OOO
S> message, mail lists and the like. I can switch the OOO filter on and
S> off just by enabling the filter in (1) because if they are not in the
S> 'OOO processing' group the rest of the filters will ignore them.

S> Can anyone see any logical holes with this?

It's a good scheme. I just use an AB group scheme myself. I have a
single filter that adds the individual to the Exempt group as it
sends the OOO with the advanced setting condition that the address
is not already in the Exempt group. By seeding the group with the
address of the lists I belong to, it all just works.

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Re: Stream, Linear, Column

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Allie,

Thursday, January 8, 2004, 4:02:04 AM, you wrote:
AM>  o Ctrl+O K   = switch block type to stream
AM>  o Ctrl+O C   = switch block type to column
AM>  o Ctrl+O L   = switch block type to linear


They're actually easier than that...

Hold down ALT while selecting text with the mouse for Column
Hold down CTRL while selecting text with the mouse for Line
Hold down SHFT while selecting text with the mouse for Stream

These are sticky too, so once you do one of them, you'll have to do
one of the others to change back.




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Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop

[Wayne Howard]

Hello Bill,

On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 6:43:50 AM, you wrote
re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop:

BBTE> Documentation continues to be the weakest part of TB's otherwise
BBTE> stellar operation.

Agreed. Almost everything that I click the help button for tells me
that there is no help for that item. If the help file isn't finished,
when will it be? One would think that they would have finished the
help file before releasing the product!

Also, is there a .pdf manual for this version of the product? I don't
think I ever found one for version 1.x

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Creating an Out of Office Auto reply

[shemming]

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I'm thinking of trying to implement this in TB! using filters.

First off, has anyone done this? I'm not so bored that I want to
reinvent the wheel.

If I do have a bash at this I was thinking of something along the
lines of this.

  1. I only want to send out the OOO message once to each person that
  mails me, regardless of how many messages they send.

  2. I will create a filter that puts each incoming message in to a
  particular colour group the show it needs OOO processing.

  3. For each 'named' AB group, if the sender's name is found then I will
  change the message's colour group to say that it has been
  processed.

  4. If I do not find the sender's address then an OOO message will be
  sent and the colour group changed.

  5. When I switch off the filter I will empty the OOO AB group.

The idea behind 2 is that I can have more than one AB group which
means that I can have a list of addresses that never get an OOO
message, mail lists and the like. I can switch the OOO filter on and
off just by enabling the filter in (1) because if they are not in the
'OOO processing' group the rest of the filters will ignore them.

Can anyone see any logical holes with this?

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Re: -- in Sig Question

[MAU]

Hello Chris,

> Can someone tell me if it is possible to make The Bat! not ignore text after the "--"
> sig delimiter? ie if someone sends you a message with the -- in it, & you reply to 
> it,
> The Bat! disregards any tect after it in the replied mesage (ie it doesn't quote
> 
>  it). I want it to.

Yes, use the %Text macro in your reply templates instead of the %Quotes
one.

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Re[2]: Stream, Linear, Column

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello David,

Thursday, January 8, 2004, 1:12:02 PM, you wrote:

DE> I did try the help, but could not find it.

Please look at the "Working with The Bat!|Message editor|Text
editor|Key mappings|Block and Formatting Commands" topic :-)
Most of editor keyboard shortcuts in the shortcuts are taken from the
help, actually...


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Re[2]: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

At 10:28 PM on 1/7/2004, Chris typed ...

C> This isn't a bug. It's a feature. Under General Preferences, there is
C> an option to "Start program after system halt." Modifying the RunOnce
C> registry key allows The Bat! to do this. To stop modifying the
C> registry, turn this behavior off by unchecking the box.

Thanks, Chris, for solving the mystery. I had assumed (bad thing to
do) that this was the equivalent of "Start TB at log on" which seemed
a reasonable enough thing to do.

At 11:02 PM on 1/7/2004, Wayne Howard typed ...

W> I only wish that it was documented in the Help file so that clicking
W> on help in the program would tell you what the heck "Start program
W> after system halt." means. Otherwise, how would anyone ever know??

Agreed, Wayne. What is the intent? If the system "halts" (I equate
that with "crash" or "blue screen of death", TB would then start when
the computer restarts. This differs slightly from "start TB at log on"
(which would ALWAYS start TB) because it would re-start TB only if it
had been running at system halt -- but the difference is so minor (if
I'm interpreting it properly) as to be missed by most people.

Documentation continues to be the weakest part of TB's otherwise
stellar operation.

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Re: Stream, Linear, Column

[Allie Martin]

David Elliott, [DE] wrote:

DE> Is there a way to change from Stream to Linear to Column with a
DE> keyboard short cut ?

Yes.

 o Ctrl+O K   = switch block type to stream
 o Ctrl+O C   = switch block type to column
 o Ctrl+O L   = switch block type to linear

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Re[2]: Stream, Linear, Column

[Allie Martin]

David Elliott, [DE] wrote:

AM>>  o Ctrl+O K   = switch block type to stream
AM>>  o Ctrl+O C   = switch block type to column
AM>>  o Ctrl+O L   = switch block type to linear

DE> Excellent Thanks.

DE> I did try the help, but could not find it.

I would definitely have thought so. 

The FAQ pages should have a link to the shortcuts file online there
somewhere.

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Re: -- in Sig Question

[Stuart Hemming]

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C> Can someone tell me if it is possible to make The Bat! not
C> ignore text after the "--" sig delimiter?
The only way I can see to do that is to highlight the message or part
that you want to quote, copy it and then 'Paste as Quotation'

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-- in Sig Question

[Chris]

Hi,

Can someone tell me if it is possible to make The Bat! not ignore text after the "--" 
sig delimiter? ie if someone sends you a message with the -- in it, & you reply to it, 
The Bat! disregards any tect after it in the replied mesage (ie it doesn't quote it). 
I want it to.


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Re: TB2 CE doesn't remember folders columns settings

[Ken Stuart]

Hello Alexander,

Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:56:31 PM, you wrote:

AAG> Hello Batmans!

AAG> After upgrading to TB2 CE I've encountered  then TB got a new options,
AAG> concerning folder settings BUT now it wont remember folder settings
AAG> and every start loads something default for ALL folders.

AAG> Have i missed something?
AAG> Any advices would be very appreciable!

This has been discussed extensively in the past.  Check the archives -
I posted a method a few weeks back...

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