Re[2]: how to train K9 ?
Hi Peter, PM on Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:10:01 +0100GMT, you wrote: PM I don't believe there is. And there shouldn't be. You'd better train PM K9 with the spam *you* actually receive. This way you will get K9 to PM filter to *your* needs. Well, exactly for that reason I would like to be able to use *my* spam email folder from the Bat to train K9. Cheers thanks, Hartwig Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RO No. If it would do that, it should decide on spam on the headers, RO that's not very likely to be a very precise method. sighI expected that./sigh - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm SE PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com He often broke into song because he couldn't find the key. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQFq17tttnLhkydF1EQLSsACg89GzhheLxCtWENubw70i8hYVFWUAn3n7 DMgbzMoSUz8/f9hUGHsdzmoj =qotn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Antivirus problem noted and solved
This morning I received a message from a friend who began using The Bat after reading my recommendation of it. Here it is, edited slightly. I signed off TBUDL a while ago because The Bat had moved from being a major part of my thoughts to being a program which just works. However I hit a problem with the latest version of Vet anti-virus software which may also mean that it will turn up in new versions of eTrust and other Computer Associates anti-virus software. I now have an answer, thanks to the local Vet support staff here in Melbourne and you may like to pass it on to TBUDL. It seems that because of the way TheBat works, with attachments hidden in the file until saved, email scanning from Vet is best turned off. The Vet's normal file scanning will then find any problems if an attachment is saved. That worked for a while but then a still newer version of the Vet engine started to find every occurrence of the URL or JS spoofs in The Bat's temp files every time the temp folder was accessed -- which meant every time there was a mail download, and sometimes more often. Up would pop a warning dialog from Vet. Cancelling that dialog had to be done every few minutes. It took a while to persuade the Vet support crew that it really was as bad as I said but eventually after many emails, I got a phone call from them, and the answer was actually created while I hung on and listened in as he described step by step what he was doing -- files in the Bat's temp file name format in the temp folder being in an exclusion list in the XP Registry. So if anyone else hits that problem, Alex Lopez, a systems engineer with Vet has the answer and can be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He sent it as a .reg file which meant that Akashik's viral trap promptly stopped it so I had to get it sent again to a more tolerant address. -- Gordon Woolf The Worsley Press Hastings, Victoria, Australia www.worsleypress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Book: Success in Store - How to Start or Buy a Retail Business, Enjoy Running It and Make Money -- Bill Blinn - Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 3/19/2004 at 6:32 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: I'd love to, but the Prime Directive forbids it. This line was left blank intentionally, but now these words are in it. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to train K9 ?
Hi Hartwig, on Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:15:00 +0100GMT, you wrote: PM I don't believe there is. And there shouldn't be. You'd better train PM K9 with the spam *you* actually receive. This way you will get K9 to PM filter to *your* needs. HH Well, exactly for that reason I would like to be able to use *my* spam HH email folder from the Bat to train K9. OIC. Sorry for misunderstanding. Here's from the K9 site: ,- [ Initial Feeding ] | When you run K9 for the first time you will notice that it creates 5 | sub-directories under an Emails directory, found where you installed | K9. | | Grab all of the spam emails you can find and copy them into the Spam | directory. K9 recognizes any text files that contain the entire plain | text version of emails, including headers, such as those exported from | Outlook Express (*.eml), which you can drag and drop directly from OE | into the directory. Do not attempt to place proprietary binary email | format files here - K9 won't understand them - they must be plain text | files. | | Grab all of your known Good emails and copy them into the Good | directory, similar to above. | | Note: It isn't necessary to keep all of these emails in these folders | for K9 to work but it is advisable to build up a good collection for | initial training or for rebuilding the word databases at some point if | that becomes necessary. `- -- Cheers Peter Famous last words - Don't worry, I can handle it. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Synchronizing Desktop with Notebook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi cs4l, On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:18:50 +0100 (2:18 AM here), cs4l [c] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: c You could use both machines to read email, and with synchronize, c you could then transfer the messages which have been read on one c machine to the other machine, thus keeping both mail databases in c sync. Ah, I think I understand now. So I needn't worry which machine I download mail with as long as I synchronize periodically. Thanks for the explanation. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAWwaCvZSrVDqOXK0RAlSiAJwLa7qUV6fp73kBH1FkwTG6+XSRugCgnFzk jq2fNuJuTpiS4kTdc10ZpvY= =borx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wrap in Fwd'd Messages
I received a message mailed out from Outlook/Exchange, and the paragraphs appeared fine in TB! I forwarded the message, and the paragraphs in the TB! composition window were not wrapped. 1. Why? 2. I used Alt-L, but, if I had not done that, would they have wrapped on mailing or otherwise appear wrapped to the recipient? -- JN Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Synchronizing Desktop with Notebook
On Friday, March 19, 2004, 2:41:03 PM, Kevin Coates wrote: Ah, I think I understand now. So I needn't worry which machine I download mail with as long as I synchronize periodically. Thanks for the explanation. The other thing to remember to TB! synch is that it is one way each time, that is, when you run the first stage of the synch on the laptop it compares the laptop with the PC and then copies any messages on the PC but not the laptop onto the laptop, but will not copy messages not on the PC from the laptop. This means that you will have to run the synch twice to get a full synchronisation of both machines. The other thing to note is that the process only copies files, but does not delete, so if you have deleted a load of messages on the laptop, and then run a PC, they won't be deleted from the PC and could be copied back to the laptop. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Antivirus problem noted and solved
Hello Bill, On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:34:49 -0500 GMT (19/03/2004, 18:34 +0700 GMT), Bill Blinn - Technology Editor wrote: BBTE This morning I received a message from a friend who began using The BBTE Bat after reading my recommendation of it. Here it is, edited BBTE slightly. [...] It took a while to persuade the Vet support crew that it really was as bad as I said but eventually after many emails, I got a phone call from them, and the answer was actually created while I hung on and listened in as he described step by step what he was doing -- files in the Bat's temp file name format in the temp folder being in an exclusion list in the XP Registry. The tech support from Vet seems exceptional - they even called and ran the user through the steps. The lesson we learn is that it is a good idea to exclude the temp file from any real-time virus scan. Good advice, IMHO. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? -- H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wrap in Fwd'd Messages
Hello Joseph, On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:54:25 + (UTC) GMT (19/03/2004, 21:54 +0700 GMT), Joseph N. wrote: JN I received a message mailed out from Outlook/Exchange, and the JN paragraphs appeared fine in TB! I forwarded the message, and the JN paragraphs in the TB! composition window were not wrapped. The paragraphs were likely not wrapped in the source, but sent as long lines. TB's viewer will wrap in to fit the screen JN 1. Why? TB's editor shows the message the way it was sent. There is a macro for wrapping replies automatically. JN 2. I used Alt-L, but, if I had not done that, would they have JN wrapped on mailing or otherwise appear wrapped to the recipient? They would not have wrapped on sending. They might have been displayed wrapped on the receiver's screen, though. I hit alt-L in such cases. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to train K9 ?
Hi Peter, thanks a lot for the information. That was the missing link I apparently kept ignoring. Cheers Thanks, Hartwig Friday, March 19, 2004, 1:14:35 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Hartwig, PM on Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:15:00 +0100GMT, you wrote: PM I don't believe there is. And there shouldn't be. You'd better train PM K9 with the spam *you* actually receive. This way you will get K9 to PM filter to *your* needs. HH Well, exactly for that reason I would like to be able to use *my* spam HH email folder from the Bat to train K9. PM OIC. Sorry for misunderstanding. Here's from the K9 site: PM ,- [ Initial Feeding ] PM | When you run K9 for the first time you will notice that it creates 5 PM | sub-directories under an Emails directory, found where you installed PM | K9. PM | PM | Grab all of the spam emails you can find and copy them into the Spam PM | directory. K9 recognizes any text files that contain the entire plain PM | text version of emails, including headers, such as those exported from PM | Outlook Express (*.eml), which you can drag and drop directly from OE PM | into the directory. Do not attempt to place proprietary binary email PM | format files here - K9 won't understand them - they must be plain text PM | files. PM | PM | Grab all of your known Good emails and copy them into the Good PM | directory, similar to above. PM | PM | Note: It isn't necessary to keep all of these emails in these folders PM | for K9 to work but it is advisable to build up a good collection for PM | initial training or for rebuilding the word databases at some point if PM | that becomes necessary. PM `- Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Modify received date? (or created date)
Thursday, March 18, 2004, 9:08:27 PM, you wrote: JA On Thursday, March 18, 2004, Neil wrote... Sorry I don't understand what you are getting at? The Created date shows as 10 January 2010, 04:41:00 (Mon Feb 11 19:10:43 2002) JA The format is wrong, he is pointing it out. In the email that was JA sent, it is in the format: snip JA According to the RFCs, the date format on the mail you showed, is JA incorrect. If you want to get a little more technical, read the RFC JA 2822, section 3.3. This breaks down to what I pointed out above, JA showing that the format of the Date: header in the email you are JA having issues in is wrong. Ok thanks I understand now. Well I have tried exporting it to a Unix mailbox and correcting the date and importing it again but it still shows 2010. I believe the correct settings are:- -- Neil Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Modify received date? (or created date)
On Friday, March 19, 2004, Neil wrote... Sorry I don't understand what you are getting at? The Created date shows as 10 January 2010, 04:41:00 (Mon Feb 11 19:10:43 2002) JA The format is wrong, he is pointing it out. In the email that was JA sent, it is in the format: Ok thanks I understand now. Well I have tried exporting it to a Unix mailbox and correcting the date and importing it again but it still shows 2010. I believe the correct settings are:- Is it the received date, or created date that is displayed wrong? If it is the received date, you might want to check your computer clock ;) Whenever I rebuild my computer, I'm forever setting the date of the month in the year box ;) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) A paid up computer is, by definition, obsolete. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt
Hello bats, on Fri, 19. Mar 2004 at 08:57:08 + Stuart Hemming wrote: RO No. If it would do that, it should decide on spam on the headers, RO that's not very likely to be a very precise method. sighI expected that./sigh It was possible with an older version, don't know if that feature is depreciated - but it was a setting in the registry at that time. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Modify received date? (or created date)
Thursday, March 18, 2004, 9:08:27 PM, you wrote: JA On Thursday, March 18, 2004, Neil wrote... Sorry I don't understand what you are getting at? The Created date shows as 10 January 2010, 04:41:00 (Mon Feb 11 19:10:43 2002) JA The format is wrong, he is pointing it out. In the email that was JA sent, it is in the format: snip JA According to the RFCs, the date format on the mail you showed, is JA incorrect. If you want to get a little more technical, read the RFC JA 2822, section 3.3. This breaks down to what I pointed out above, JA showing that the format of the Date: header in the email you are JA having issues in is wrong. Oops that last went sent itself in the middle of me typing how weird... anyway the full email Ok thanks I understand now. Well I have tried exporting it to a Unix mailbox and correcting the date and importing it again but it still shows 2010. I believe the correct settings are:- X-Priority: 3 Importance: normal X-Time: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:50 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-User-Agent: notify ($Revision: 1.41 $) X-Domain: gb Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Which if I import as a Unix mailbox still shows as 2010 but if I double click on the file (01.msg) it opens in TB AND with the correct date. I'm totally confused now! (by the way this is a received email and my system clock is correct - locked to an internet atomic clock using Tardis) -- Neil Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Modify received date? (or created date)
On Friday, March 19, 2004, Neil wrote... Which if I import as a Unix mailbox still shows as 2010 but if I double click on the file (01.msg) it opens in TB AND with the correct date. Could it be you have the created date showing in the preview, and not the received date? When you did the import, did you remove the old one? How about importing it into a different folder? I'm totally confused now! (by the way this is a received email and my system clock is correct - locked to an internet atomic clock using Tardis) Well that Tardis thing has been known to send people all over the place... ask Dr Who :) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Black holes were created when God divided by 0. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Modify received date? (or created date)
Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 19-Mar-2004 2:25:37 PM Modify received date? (or created date) mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Time: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:50 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:50 GMT SNIP (by the way this is a received email and my system clock is correct - locked to an internet atomic clock using Tardis) I assume that this message an old message... This Tardis has nothing to do with a blue Police box, right? If not (or if this message is a recent message), you have more problems than you thinks. Watch out for The Master! -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets. - Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
