TheBAT v3.0 disappears...

[Pietro Iacono]

Hi all,

I've upgraded to TheBAT! v3.0 few days ago and I have this problem:
from time to time it close itself, without any error message o
anything else. It just disappears.
This happens both when I'm using other software and TheBAT is in
background, and when I'm not using the PC.
Is it a known bug? Has anybody else noticed it?

Thanks in advance

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Re[2]: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello MAU,

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 you wrote in 

M> and for the lurkers

..of which I am one a great deal of the time ;-)

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Re: Empty Mail

[Peter Fjelsten]

Marck,

On 19-10-2004 00:44, you [MDP] wrote in
:
MDP> HEY!! Anyone else reading this thread who's seen TB empty a mail on
MDP> delivery? I've not seen that happen. Nobody's leaping in to say
MDP> "yeah, TB always does that".

I have had this a couple of times - empty preview pane and empty header
pane. I'll see if I can find an example when I come home from work.

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Calculating GMT (Time Zone) for replies

[Michael L. Wilson]

To: All Batters,

I have seen a few emails that seems to calculate the time zone or GMT
between the sender and the receiver.  Anyone have that template for
v3?

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Re[3]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)

[MFPA]

Hi

On Saturday, 16 October, 2004, at 3:14:28 PM, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> As a matter of fact England is currently looking into joining
> the DST club.

Eh? We have had British Summer Time since 1916 (with different
arrangements 1940-47 and 68-71).

I think it's just a way for the government to dictate that we get up
earlier in the summer.

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Re[2]: Rogues pics

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday, 13 October, 2004, at 9:25:29 AM, Bill McQuillan wrote:

> "Follow up" is Ritlabs way of renaming the RFC References header field to make
> it more confusing. There seems to be no good reason for this. :-)

> You can see this renaming by selecting Preferences->Message Headers and scroll
> down the list to see "Follow up" under Display As next to "References" under RFC
> Name.

Thank you. That's what confused me. I have "Follow up" and
"References" under Display As and both of them are "References"
under RFC Name.

> Notice also the bizarre renaming of the perfectly good RFC Name "Sender"
> to "X-Sender".  .

And "X-mailer" to "mailer".
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Re[2]: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!

[MFPA]

Hi

On Friday, 24 September, 2004, at 2:42:38 AM, Kevin Coates wrote:


> - From tests that I've done recently, only FreePOPs will preserve the
> message integrity allowing inlined or PGP/MIME message to be
> downloaded and decrypted without difficulty. The current release of
> gPopper changes the message content enough to alter PGP data.

gPopper v1.1 has so far not posed me any problems with PGP inlined
messages. I have not tried MIME.

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Re: TEmplates for forwarding messages?

[David Pascoe]

On Tuesday, 19 October 2004, at 17:06:29 [GMT -0700] you wrote:

MLW> Anyone have any clever templates for forwarding messages?  I forward
MLW> about 25 messages each morning to other people in my company, and I
MLW> was just wondering if there is anything more clever than the default.

I have linked a couple of forward operations to a function key so that it
all happens really quickly - not that clever but anything that makes it
easier is a good thing.

cheers,
davidp.   
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Re: Template for replies

[Robin Anson]

On Tue 19 October 2004, 9:15:31 +1000, Terry G. Munson wrote:
> <|
> <| On %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, which was %TIMELONGEN where I am, %OFROMNAME wrote:
> <| %Cursor
>

If your time and my time are on different days, this becomes confusing.
I use the following (note the +1000 which is my timezone):

On %QInclude(YourDate) at %QInclude(YourTime), which is %-
%ODate="ddd d  " at %OTimeLong +1000 where I live, you wrote:


Where the YourDate QT is:

%SetPattRegExp="(?m-s)^Date:\s*((.*?)[\d]{4})(.*)"%-
%RegExpMatch="%Headers"%-

and the YourTime QT is:

%SetPattRegExp="(?m-s)^Date:\s*(?:(?:(?:.*?)[\d]{4})\s*)(([\d]{0,2}:[\d]{0,2}:[\d]{0,2})\s*(.*))"%-
%RegExpMatch="%Headers"%-


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Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[MAU]

Hello Richard,

> Me neither. Thanks again for taking the trouble to do all of that for
> me.

No trouble. And I did it for you and for the lurkers ;-)

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Re: where are the filters stored?

[MAU]

Hello Jonathan,

>>> Where are the sorting filters stored?
> 
M>> from version 3.0, filters are stored in a file ACCOUNT.SRB.
> 
> How about previous versions?

ACCOUNT.SRX

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TEmplates for forwarding messages?

[Michael L. Wilson]

To: All Batters,

Anyone have any clever templates for forwarding messages?  I forward
about 25 messages each morning to other people in my company, and I
was just wondering if there is anything more clever than the default.

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Re: Empty Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Julian,

@19-Oct-2004, 00:12 Julian Beach (Lists) [JB] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... 

JB> The problem is that the name should actually be "Draft Cheshire
JB> Supporting People Eligibility Criteria v2.8.doc",

,--/ The name parameter \--
 RFC 1341 also defined the use of a "NAME" parameter which gave a
 suggested file name to be used if the data were to be written to a
 file. This has been deprecated in anticipation of a separate
 Content-Disposition header field, to be defined in a subsequent RFC.
`--\ End /--

However, the content of the name parameter will be legitimate provided
it is a token (no spaces or specials) or a Quoted String (which can
contain spaces).

... 

So this relates to TB's improper interpretation of a deprecated header
parameter rather than the complete excision of body data.

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Re: where are the filters stored?

[Jonathan Andrew Sheen]

Hi, Marek,

Monday, September 27, 2004, 11:39:25 AM, you wrote:

M> Hello all,
M> Monday, September 27, 2004, Terry G. Munson wrote:

>> I tried moving TB to a new machine.  I used the backup/restore tools
>> to move my accounts and e-mails to the new machine.  The problem is
>> that none of my filters show up on the new machine.

>> Where are the sorting filters stored?

M> from version 3.0, filters are stored in a file ACCOUNT.SRB.

How about previous versions?

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Re[2]: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello MAU,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 you wrote in 

M> First of all I must point our that I have my mail directory separate
M> from my TB installation one

Yup, me too so your instructions are very helpful.


M>   Advanced Properties button:
M> Run Programs tab:
M> Run program before running profile:
M> regedit /e "G:\The Bat\tbreg.reg" hkey_current_user\software\rit
M> Wait for program before proceeding: selected

M>  This, as you can see, is to export and save TB's registry
M>  settings just before doing the backup.

That's the bit I was really hoping for an thanks.

M> If you ask why don't I backup TB's installation directory, my answer is
M> that I usually don't backup anything I can recover by re-installing.

Me neither. Thanks again for taking the trouble to do all of that for
me.

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Re: Empty Mail

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Marck,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 3:44:19 PM, you wrote:

> If somebody can support one or other side of this debate it would
> help.

I have received empty e-mails but they have always been junk.  I just
assumed they were sent empty.

I have never received an empty or modified "valuable" e-mail.

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Re: Template for replies

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Michael,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 3:45:16 PM, you wrote:

> I am looking for a good template for replies where it can tell the
> originating time and date and author.

A simple example...you can improve to get what you want.


<|
<| On %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, which was %TIMELONGEN where I am, %OFROMNAME wrote:
<| %Cursor

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Re: Empty Mail

[Mary Bull]

Hello Marck!

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 5:44 PM, you wrote:

MDP> HEY!! Anyone else reading this thread who's seen TB empty a mail
MDP> on delivery? I've not seen that happen. Nobody's leaping in to
MDP> say "yeah, TB always does that". If somebody can support one or
MDP> other side of this debate it would help.

I have been using The Bat! for two years now and have been a
subscriber to TBUDL for the same amount of time.

I have never seen a modified or empty message come in to any of the
three TB! lists to which I am subscribed, nor to TBOT.

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Re: Empty Mail

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 11:44:19 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> HEY!! Anyone else reading this thread who's seen TB empty a mail on
> delivery? I've not seen that happen. Nobody's leaping in to say "yeah,
> TB always does that". If somebody can support one or other side of
> this debate it would help.

I have not seen TB empty a mail exactly, but I have problems with TB!
(or something along the way that affects only TB!) changing the Part
boundaries of messages so the file names do not appear correctly.

For example, I got the following message which when the source is
viewed shows the following boundary:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@13161
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Draft"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

The problem is that the name should actually be "Draft Cheshire
Supporting People Eligibility Criteria v2.8.doc", but it gets chopped
at the first space in the file name, so in the Attachment panel it
appears as "Draft" and I have to rename it before I can open it. This
only happens with one organisation, which suggests a peculiarity with
their setup, but notwithstanding this, Outlook, OE and Popcorn all
report the file name properly.

Unfortunately I do not have an example downladed in another email
client at the moment - I will test it again when one next arrives -
but I recall that this content boundary only appeared to be truncated
in TB!, that it is either TB! or the interaction of TB! and something
else that is causing the problems.

I created a bug report at the time this started affecting me:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2043

Julian

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Template for replies

[Michael L. Wilson]

TB UDL ERS,

I am looking for a good template for replies where it can tell the
originating time and date and author.  This usually looks something
like:

on blah, blah, blah, which is blah, blah where I live, someone said
this about that...

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Re: Empty Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Tbudl,

You are NOT TBUDL - at least a recognisable name, albeit an alias may
help to get some extra input from others. Right now, it's not easy to
take such ill conceived anonymity seriously.

@18-Oct-2004, 23:24 TBUDL [T] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

... 

T>>> TheBat displays a grey page of nothing.

>> That because it's what TB was sent.

... 

T> Ok here is a prime example of the before and after TheBat has brought
T> the email in - following is the before i.e. sitting in my 127.0.0.1
T> folder before being requested by TheBat!

Your 127.0.0.1 folder? On what? Whatever is handing the message to TB
my be stripping it. I've seen blank messages come in to TB but they
start out that way at source. I've never seen TB tamper with mail in
any way (unless by fault of a rare bug during a beta). One of TB's
points of pride is its data integrity when it comes to received mail.

127.0.0.1 is a localhost IP address. So that would seem to imply that
have a local proxy that is intercepting your email before TB sees it.
Do you think that could be what's emptying the content before you see
it?

HEY!! Anyone else reading this thread who's seen TB empty a mail on
delivery? I've not seen that happen. Nobody's leaping in to say "yeah,
TB always does that". If somebody can support one or other side of
this debate it would help.

... 

T> Now as you can see this is not an email I want to see anyway but
T> that is not the point here. I should be choosing what I wish to see
T> and not a piece of software that has yet to learn my tastes in
T> email.

You may need to look deeper than just TB.

T> This was not identified by BayesIt as JUNK by the way.

I believe that would be because by the time TB saw it, it was blank.

T> At this rate I am going to need some Vãlium ;-0

Lol

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Re[2]: Empty Mail

[TBUDL]

Hi

Monday, October 18, 2004, 8:55:07 PM, you wrote:

> Dear Tbudl,

> @18-Oct-2004, 20:31 TBUDL [T] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

T would link externally and provides me with a stripped email of
T everything except the headers.

>>> TB strips nothing. Nothing was sent.
> .. 

T>> Below is the actual 'view source' of the said email. Can you unravel
T>> the problem?

> Yes. You received an empty message.

T>> TheBat displays a grey page of nothing.

> That because it's what TB was sent.

T>> Looking at the content of the mail there is of course nothing too
T>> display

> Correct.

T>> but I am sure there was before TheBat got hold of it.

> Why are you sure of that? I have never seen TB remove a single thing
> from a message. It's not something it is supposed to do.

T>> It has been doing this a lot with SPAM mail but I was not worried
T>> about those emails. I thought it might be the BayesIt filter
T>> stripping code without me knowing about it.

> Nope.

T>> By the way just for the record this email was not recognised as
T>> JUNK::

> Yes it was. SpamAssassin decided it was spam:

T>> X-Spam-Status: Yes

> Perhaps SpamAssassin stipped out the HTML. TB wouldn't.

T>> X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on uk2mxarray2-2.uk2.net)

> Also, Exim had a go at the message before TB got to see it.


Ok here is a prime example of the before and after TheBat has brought
the email in - following is the before i.e. sitting in my 127.0.0.1
folder before being requested by TheBat!

X-Envelope-From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Envelope-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Delivery-Time: 1098135622
Received: from uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net (uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net [83.170.64.208])
by mail.skydsl.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18976
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:40:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: from [210.127.79.162] (helo=83.170.64.208)
by uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net with smtp (Exim 4.43)
id 1CJfEk-0008Iu-GP
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:40:16 +0100
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from 164.110.36.149 by law0-hs22.law8.hotmail.com with DAV;
Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:15 -0300
Reply-To: "Taylor Jaramillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Taylor Jaramillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:37:15 +0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 210.127.79.162
X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Vãlium and X.anax SuperSavings
X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on 
uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=9.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10,
HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_BOUND_DD_DIGITS,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,
RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_X autolearn=no version=2.64
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=_41743840.F88CE9F3"
X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.0 (built Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:53:34 +0200)
X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net)

823241037052079
Content-Type: text/plain;



823241037052079
Content-Type: text/html;
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



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and now follows the version that TheBat! has stripped!

X-Envelope-From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Envelope-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Delivery-Time: 1098135622
Received: from uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net (uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net [83.170.64.208])
by mail.skydsl.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18976
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:40:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: from [210.127.79.162] (helo=83.170.64.208)
by uk2mxserver2-3.uk2.net with smtp (Exim 4.43)
id 1CJfEk-0008Iu-GP
for

Re: Moving to version 3

[Chris]

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Eric @ 2004-Oct-18 1:50:48 PM
"Moving to version 3" 

> I'm sure it will - if I get it to work: it looks rather complicated

Nope. Just edit the MakeMeAdmin.cmd file and change one of the values
to be the username of your local administrator.

- --
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Re: parameters in QTs

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Michael,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 9:47:23 PM Michael [MLW] wrote:

MLW> I will never, ever tell anyone on this list or any other TB list about
MLW> how much spam I get or what version of BayesIT I have.  Fear not

I didn't :-)
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Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[MAU]

Hello Richard,

M>> I'll give you full details later, OK?
> 
> Yes, thanks a lot.

OK, here we go.

First of all I must point our that I have my mail directory separate from
my TB installation one and that it is this directory what I basically
backup.

So, in TB's Options/Preferences/System/Mail directory I have:

G:\The Bat\Mail\

Now, my "The Bat" Profile in Second Copy 2000 is as follows:

What?
  Source Folder: G:\The Bat
  Include subfolders: selected

Which Files?
  All files and folders

Where?
  \\Puli\F\The Bat (I make backup up on different computer in my network)

When?
  Frequency: Manual

How?
  Exact Copy (Copy source to destination, delete obsolete files from
  destination)
  Overwrite destination files even if they are newer than source
  files: selected

I must perhaps clarify that this type of copy does _not_ mean
that every single file is backed up (copied) every time I run
this profile. It _only_ copies those files that have changed
since the last backup.

  Advanced Properties button:
Run Programs tab:
Run program before running profile:
regedit /e "G:\The Bat\tbreg.reg" hkey_current_user\software\rit
Wait for program before proceeding: selected

 This, as you can see, is to export and save TB's registry
 settings just before doing the backup.

And that is it. I usually run this profile manually every night within
a Group of profiles to backup my databases, docs, etc.

If you ask why don't I backup TB's installation directory, my answer is
that I usually don't backup anything I can recover by re-installing.

HTH.

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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Robin Anson]

On Mon 18 October 2004, 23:47:17 +1000, Tbudl wrote:
> Just drag the message to the OUTBOX and then open the mail and edit it :-)

Changes the date and time on it - no good if those are important.


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Re: Empty Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Tbudl,

@18-Oct-2004, 20:31 TBUDL [T] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

T>>> would link externally and provides me with a stripped email of
T>>> everything except the headers.

>> TB strips nothing. Nothing was sent.
... 

T> Below is the actual 'view source' of the said email. Can you unravel
T> the problem?

Yes. You received an empty message.

T> TheBat displays a grey page of nothing.

That because it's what TB was sent.

T> Looking at the content of the mail there is of course nothing too
T> display

Correct.

T> but I am sure there was before TheBat got hold of it.

Why are you sure of that? I have never seen TB remove a single thing
from a message. It's not something it is supposed to do.

T> It has been doing this a lot with SPAM mail but I was not worried
T> about those emails. I thought it might be the BayesIt filter
T> stripping code without me knowing about it.

Nope.

T> By the way just for the record this email was not recognised as
T> JUNK::

Yes it was. SpamAssassin decided it was spam:

T> X-Spam-Status: Yes

Perhaps SpamAssassin stipped out the HTML. TB wouldn't.

T> X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on uk2mxarray2-2.uk2.net)

Also, Exim had a go at the message before TB got to see it.

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Re[2]: parameters in QTs

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Peter,

old message...
PP> Hello Michael,

PP> On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 5:41:17 PM Michael [MLW] wrote:

PP> [example]

MLW>> Everywhere there is a %_1, I can put a number of hours to report on.
MLW>> I currently use it like this:

MLW>> %QT("spamcounthours",24)

MLW>> and it works just fine.  I would like a way where I can put the hours
MLW>> it before the message is sent, or put the hours in and press
MLW>> ctrl-space and see an update.

PP> Ahhh, OK.
PP> Beside the "%InputBox" macro, which surely provides a working and
PP> reliable solution, you could make use of '%Clipboard' macro:

PP> write '12', select it, copy to clipboard, overwrite it with QT name,
PP> hit + and let your invoking QT be like this:

PP> ,- [  ]
PP> %SetPattRegExp="(\d+)"%-
PP> %_num='%RegExpMatch(%ClipBoard)'%-
PP> %If:%_num=="":%_num="24":""%-
PP> %%QT("spamcounthours", %_num)
PP> `-

PP> This can, for sure, be even simplified ... somehow. But it's a quick
PP> and dirty solution if one get's annoyed by an InputBox popping up on
PP> every reply or new message :-)

My reply...

I will never, ever tell anyone on this list or any other TB list about
how much spam I get or what version of BayesIT I have.  Fear not


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Re[2]: Empty Mail

[TBUDL]

Hi

Monday, October 18, 2004, 8:17:10 PM, you wrote:

> Dear Tbudl,

> @18-Oct-2004, 20:07 TBUDL [T] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

T>> Can anyone explain why it is that when I receive an email that
T>> appears to be HTML only does TheBat! offer me an empty email? From
T>> what I can see it appears to be stripping out the HTML code that
T>> would link externally and provides me with a stripped email of
T>> everything except the headers.

> TB strips nothing. Nothing was sent. The message is nothing but a link
> to an external message. TB will not download any external content
> since this would amount to a security breach. This is probably why you
> think the message is "Empty".

> Have you checked the source data of the message? Is the content purely
> external or is the message, in fact, comprised of invalid /
> un-displayable HTML? If so it might be the result of a bug in either
> the sender's client or in TB's rendering system.


Below is the actual 'view source' of the said email. Can you unravel
the problem? TheBat displays a grey page of nothing. Looking at the
content of the mail there is of course nothing too display but I am
sure there was before TheBat got hold of it. It has been doing this a
lot with SPAM mail but I was not worried about those emails. I thought
it might be the BayesIt filter stripping code without me knowing about
it. By the way just for the record this email was not recognised as
JUNK::

X-Envelope-From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Envelope-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Delivery-Time: 1098112653
Received: from uk2mxarray2-2.uk2.net (uk2mxserver2-2.uk2.net [83.170.64.207])
by mail.skydsl.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04939
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:17:32 +0200 (MET DST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from host-132-244-27-217.poboxhosting.net ([217.27.244.132] 
helo=nsi-server2.modoracle)
by uk2mxarray2-2.uk2.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
id 1CJY4s-0004Jc-QP
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:01:35 +0100
Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nsi-server2.hardtoforget.co.uk (GMS 
8.01.3088/NY8415.01.a508cfd1) with ESMTP id wgtjmfaa for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 
Oct 2004 14:59:05 +0100
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:59:04 +
To: Kevin Bridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 217.27.244.132
X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Re[2]: RoSPA Test 28 Sept
X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on 
uk2mxarray2-2.uk2.net
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=5.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08,
HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG,MIME_HEADER_CTYPE_ONLY,
MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,MIME_HTML_ONLY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no 
version=2.64
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=_4173CCBF.D9B0C8A4"
X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.0 (built Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:53:34 +0200)
X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on uk2mxarray2-2.uk2.net)

=_4173CCBF.D9B0C8A4--

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Re: Empty Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Tbudl,

@18-Oct-2004, 20:07 TBUDL [T] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

T> Can anyone explain why it is that when I receive an email that
T> appears to be HTML only does TheBat! offer me an empty email? From
T> what I can see it appears to be stripping out the HTML code that
T> would link externally and provides me with a stripped email of
T> everything except the headers.

TB strips nothing. Nothing was sent. The message is nothing but a link
to an external message. TB will not download any external content
since this would amount to a security breach. This is probably why you
think the message is "Empty".

Have you checked the source data of the message? Is the content purely
external or is the message, in fact, comprised of invalid /
un-displayable HTML? If so it might be the result of a bug in either
the sender's client or in TB's rendering system.

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Re: parameters in QTs

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Michael,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 5:41:17 PM Michael [MLW] wrote:

[example]
MLW> Everywhere there is a %_1, I can put a number of hours to report on.
MLW> I currently use it like this:

MLW> %QT("spamcounthours",24)

MLW> and it works just fine.  I would like a way where I can put the hours
MLW> it before the message is sent, or put the hours in and press
MLW> ctrl-space and see an update.

Ahhh, OK.
Beside the "%InputBox" macro, which surely provides a working and
reliable solution, you could make use of '%Clipboard' macro:

write '12', select it, copy to clipboard, overwrite it with QT name,
hit + and let your invoking QT be like this:

,- [  ]
%SetPattRegExp="(\d+)"%-
%_num='%RegExpMatch(%ClipBoard)'%-
%If:%_num=="":%_num="24":""%-
%%QT("spamcounthours", %_num)
`-

This can, for sure, be even simplified ... somehow. But it's a quick
and dirty solution if one get's annoyed by an InputBox popping up on
every reply or new message :-)
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Empty Mail

[TBUDL]

Can anyone explain why it is that when I receive an email that appears to be HTML only 
does TheBat! offer me an empty email? From what I can see it appears to be stripping 
out the HTML code that would link externally and provides me with a stripped email of 
everything except the headers.

I find this not the least bit annoyoing that TheBat has made the decision on my behalf 
not to show me the content of these emails.

Please can anyone offer me a solution. I have today received an email from a friend 
that has no content!
-- 
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Re[2]: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 5:24:49 PM,  wrote:

> Op Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:15:29 +0100 schreef Jeff Gaines:

>> Has anybody else noticed this?

> Doesn't happen here, using  Firefox/0.10.1.
> Perhaps the bug has been fixed.

Thanks everybody for that, I thought I was going mad or getting
trembly hands. The .reg file didn't get through but I did a manual
edit (and will save the post for the next time) - and it's fixed :-)

I'll also get V1 of Firefox down, I really appreciate its tabbed
browsing.

Thanks again.

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Re: Pgp Software

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Mica,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 4:35:49 PM Mica [MM] wrote:

MM>>> But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can
MM>>> be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I
MM>>> understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a
MM>>> non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given
MM>>> moment, when you work with them.

>> Well ... define "have open". Having a file open requires to open it
>> first. This "open" would fail if the file(s) were non-readable. So
>> it/they must be readable, else you wouldn't be able to open it
>> yourself.

MM> This what I wrote above is based on characteristics described in PGP
MM> User Guide: "Even a mounted volume is protected: unless a file or
MM> application is in use, it is stored in encrypted format."

MM> This defined by "in use" I worded by "have open".

Correct.

MM> For the term "encrypted format", I have used "non-readable form".

Not really correct.

What the sentence is about to tell is: the PGP-Volume is decrypted
"on-the-fly", that means: whenever something uses "the usual way" to
open a file, i.e. using system call to file system, the "PGP-driver"
will fetch the file from PGP-volumen and decrypt it's contents.

The opposite would be: when a PGP-volume is mounted it is decrypted,
hang into the system and all files are present in a decrypted form.

The advantage of PGPs way is little, but not really useless: there's
no chance to "raw byte" access the PGP-volume and steal files, you'll
have to use system calls to gain access to a file.
With a decrypted volume being mounted (the way PGP does not go) one
could raw byte access this "device" and fetch all the data in their
decrypted representation.

I don't know why any malicious software would try to raw-access a
block device, instead of simply using file system calls, except if
something like ACLs (access control lists) might prevent access
through sys-calls. As PGP-volumes can be formatted using NTFS this
"even a mounted volume is protected" could make sense.

But I guess Scramdisk uses similar technology, else RAM or HDD-space
could rather fast go low, if a complete disk would be stored encryped
AND decrypted when mounted.

Nevertheless I think PGP-disk is superior to Scramdisk (from what I
see on Scramdisk home page as features being supported and screenshots
being presented):
- PGP-volumes can be located at any formatted partition, not only FAT
  (if the web site is actually right with this limitation)
- PGP-volumes can be NTFS formatted, I don't see a single hint
  Scramdisk supports something different than FAT. This leads to
  "mounted volumes are NOT necessarily open to everybody with file
  system access", because normal Windows permissions can be applied on
  top of encryption.
- PGPDisk supports AES (256Bit)
- PGP-Desktop is as expensive as DriveCrypt, the successor of Scramdisk,
  but you get not only the disk encrypter, but a general (including,
  but not limited to communication-) encrypter as well.

But that's just MHO, it doesn't necessarily mean somebody has to share
it :-)

There's one thing that makes me wonder:
DriveCrypt Plus Pack - encrypts the whole operating system

I'm not really sure if and how this works reliable and fast when it
comes to Windows being installed ... but I might be narrow-minded :-)
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Re: Moving to version 3

[Eric]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:42:34 -0400 GMT(17/10/2004, 22:42 + GMT), Chris wrote:

6C> Check out this script, which will temporarily raise your
C> account to administrator status.

C> http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2004/07/24/193721.aspx

C> After running that, you can open Explorer and run the
C> installer from there or run msiexec /i TheBat.msi

C> Hope this helps for next time.

I'm sure it will - if I get it to work: it looks rather
complicated :-)

Many thanks.

-- 
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Re: tabs are converted into boxes with Italian TB 2.12

[MAU]

Hello Roelof,

>   A contact of mine, using TB 2.12 with a default Italian setup, gets
>   little boxes (unprintable characters) substituting the quoted tabs
>   when he's replying a message that contains tabs.
>   Anybody an idea about how to solve this quirk? It started when
>   upgrading from v1 to v2

I've seen this occasionally but never paid much attention to it. I
assumed it was something due to the fonts or char sets being used. If it
happens to me again, I'll pay more attention.

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Re: How many e-mail clients use PGP/MIME?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

18-Okt-2004 05:56, you wrote:

> Are there any other widely used clients (other than TB itself) that
> support PGP/MIME well?

Mutt is probably very common in the Linux/BSD world, it supports PGP/MIME.

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Re[2]: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello MAU,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 you wrote in 

M> I'll give you full details later, OK?

Yes, thanks a lot.

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Richard

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| and the best browser: Opera 7.60 build 7141

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tabs are converted into boxes with Italian TB 2.12

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo TBUDL,

  A contact of mine, using TB 2.12 with a default Italian setup, gets
  little boxes (unprintable characters) substituting the quoted tabs
  when he's replying a message that contains tabs.
  Anybody an idea about how to solve this quirk? It started when
  upgrading from v1 to v2

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Re: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[A.Translator]

Op Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:15:29 +0100 schreef Jeff Gaines:

> Has anybody else noticed this?

Doesn't happen here, using  Firefox/0.10.1.
Perhaps the bug has been fixed.
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Re[3]: parameters in QTs

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Marek,

old message...
>> %variable = %PROMPT('Message', defaultValue)

MM> look to macro %InputBox in MyMacros plugin:

MM> http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/

My reply...

The %inputbox macro from MyMAcros did the trick.  Here is what my QT
looks like now:
*
%VARhours=%inputbox("enter hours",24)

Spam Stats, last %VARhours hours (%BAYESITVERSION)
Total Spam Emails: %STATSPAMLETTERS(%VARhours)
Total Clean Emails: %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(%VARhours)
BayesIT guessed right %-
%calculate="100-(100*((%STATSPAMERLETTERS(%VARhours)+%STATNONSPAMERLETTERS(%VARhours))/(%STATSPAMLETTES(%VARhours)+%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(%VARhours"%%
 of the time
My email is %-
%Calc("100*%STATSPAMLETTERS(%VARhours)/(%STATSPAMLETTERS(%VARhours)+%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(%VARhours))
")%% spam
=

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Re: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Francis Dhumes]

Hello Jeff,

JG> Has anybody else noticed this? Is there any way to stop it?

Attached the .reg file to fix it.
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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello admin,

old message...
aacu> POPFile amedns the subject with a word such as [spam] prepended.

aacu> I find the email is not spam and teach POPFile acordingly but then I
aacu> want to store that email in the correct folder.

aacu> If I re-filter the folder for other reasons then the [spam] email gets
aacu> refiltered to the Spam folder.

aacu> So...

aacu> I need to be able to edit the subject of the email to remove the
aacu> [spam] prependation (ohh I like that word!).

aacu> If I go to the mailbox and open it in a text editor I don'r seem to be
aacu> able to achieve the effect desired.

aacu> Any easy ways? Any thoughts?

My reply...

PopFile has the ability to use headers only.  Use headers only and
there is no visible "spam" declaration.

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Re[2]: parameters in QTs

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Peter,

old message...
MLW>> So, the question becomes this:  Is there a way to open a new message
MLW>> and run a QT with a custom parameter?

PP> ??? Any example for your wish? I really don't get your point ... :-/

My reply...

For example, I use the BayesIT! anti-spam plugin.  It will work with
any number of hours. Me QT is this:

Spam Stats, last %_1 hours (%BAYESITVERSION)
Total Spam Emails: %STATSPAMLETTERS(%_1)
Total Clean Emails: %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(%_1)
BayesIT guessed right %-
%calculate="100-(100*((%STATSPAMERLETTERS(%_1)+%STATNONSPAMERLETTERS(%_1))/(%STATSPAMLETTES(%_1)+%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(%_1"%%
 of the time
My email is %-
%Calc("100*%STATSPAMLETTERS(%_1)/(%STATSPAMLETTERS(%_1)+%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(%_1))
")%% spam
=

Everywhere there is a %_1, I can put a number of hours to report on.
I currently use it like this:

%QT("spamcounthours",24)

and it works just fine.  I would like a way where I can put the hours
it before the message is sent, or put the hours in and press
ctrl-space and see an update.

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Re: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jeff,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:15:29 +0100 (11:15 AM here), Jeff Gaines [JG]
wrote in :

JG> I thought that TB! was firing up Firefox twice when I clicked on a
JG> URL in a mail..

JG> Has anybody else noticed this? Is there any way to stop it?

This is a known bug of the Firefox Browser. Just delete the following
Keys (and subkeys) in the registry (don't forget the backup!):

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/http/shell/open/ddeexec]
and
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/https/shell/open/ddeexec]

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 18 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 23:45:11 +1000, when Robin Anson wrote:

> On Mon 18 October 2004, 23:37:56 +1000, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
>> You can edit headers, including the
>> subject field, only if you save a message to disk, and then edit it
>> using some text editor - and then importing the message again in TB.
>> But, the receiving time will not be original one any more

> Not if you use the UNIX format. That stores the receive date/time in the
> exported file, and retains it when you import it.

Ah, beautiful! Thanks. (:

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Re: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Pietro Iacono]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:15:29 +0100, Jeff Gaines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> experimenting and on my PC I can confirm that one click fires up two
> instances of Firefox.
> Has anybody else noticed this? Is there any way to stop it?

Me, but only when firefox is not running. 

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Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[MAU]

Hello Richard,

> I use it for all other backups but still use TB! backup facility because
> I don't know where to find all the options necessary for a full TB! back
> up so, if you could find the time to point me in the right direction for
> specific files, I'd be more than grateful :-)

I'll give you full details later, OK?

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Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

I thought that TB! was firing up Firefox twice when I clicked on a URL
in a mail. I put it down to user error because when I used Agent I had
to double click. However, I have just spent a few minutes
experimenting and on my PC I can confirm that one click fires up two
instances of Firefox.

Has anybody else noticed this? Is there any way to stop it?

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Re: Pgp Software

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 18 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 13:07:59 +0200, when Peter Palmreuther wrote:

[...]

> All in all this would be a quite complex thing and I don't think
> somebody already managed this for Windows.

Ah, I see... OK then, what remains is to "relocate" then the "critical"
programs and "sensitive" files to an encrypted partition/container, and
that should have the job done pretty well. So, that supposed "advantage"
of PGP Disk over Scramdisk is dismissed.

MM>> But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can
MM>> be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I
MM>> understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a
MM>> non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given
MM>> moment, when you work with them.

> Well ... define "have open". Having a file open requires to open it
> first. This "open" would fail if the file(s) were non-readable. So
> it/they must be readable, else you wouldn't be able to open it
> yourself.

This what I wrote above is based on characteristics described in PGP
User Guide: "Even a mounted volume is protected: unless a file or
application is in use, it is stored in encrypted format."

This defined by "in use" I worded by "have open". For the term
"encrypted format", I have used "non-readable form". (Not sure about
correctness of my term for the latter one, that is if is possible that
something "encrypted" might be "readable".)

If this is true, it would give a certain advantage when we use
programs/files in a mounted container while we are eg. 'on line', and
*if* a possible trojan beasts are active, so that if any data from the
container is stolen, it will be in "encrypted format"; except the one we
have "in use" in this moment, and *if* the wise-guy/girl targeted right
this one, eg. some message we read (therefore being "in use") in TB
right in this moment.

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Re: [the_bat] Re[2]: Editing subject in stored email

[Michael Acklin]

Hello TBUDL,


> Just drag the message to the OUTBOX and then open the mail and edit it :-)

Dang, that was too easy. Thanks for this tip, it works great.

I had the same problem with PopFile and was watching this thread.
After reading this solution, I find it the fastest and easiest way to
change the Subject line.

Thanks again...


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Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[Peter Fjelsten]

Kevin,

On 18-10-2004 16:03, you [KA] wrote in
:
>> I just tried it and it only took 9, and I was overwriting an existing
>> file.  Then a final click to close.  So, 9 to run and 1 to close.

KA> Why don't you try and get it down to one to two? Please report back as
KA> to your progress.

LOL.

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Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Michael L. Wilson

-
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, at 16:08:42 [GMT -0700] (which was 4:08 PM where
I live) you wrote:


> My reply...
> I just tried it and it only took 9, and I was overwriting an existing
> file.  Then a final click to close.  So, 9 to run and 1 to close.

Why don't you try and get it down to one to two? Please report back as
to your progress.

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Re[2]: Editing subject in stored email

[TBUDL]

Hi

Monday, October 18, 2004, 2:41:05 PM, you wrote:

> On Mon 18 October 2004, 22:31:20 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I need to be able to edit the subject of the email to remove the
>> [spam] prependation (ohh I like that word!).
>> 
>> If I go to the mailbox and open it in a text editor I don'r seem to be
>> able to achieve the effect desired.
>> 
>> Any easy ways? Any thoughts?

> Here's my solution to editing a received message without changing header
> date/time.

> The following filter writes the message to a text file and then runs a
> cmd file (D:\Batch\editmsg.cmd) that opens it in my text editor, and
> when the editor is closed re-imports it into the inbox of my account
> named "personal". To change the account name, change the parameter at
> the end of the line that starts "RunExternal".

> The filter is executed by CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-E.

> Change to suit your paths and text editor. Note that this is as
> automatically converted from a v2 filter to a v3 filter, so it might
> benefit from some tuning.

>  TB! Message Filter 
> beginFilter
> UID: [4AA35E40.01C4B193.09E630C8.30EE97ED]
> Name: Edit\20Message
> Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`\0D\0A}
> ExportMessage OverwriteExist FmtUnix filename e:\5Ctemp\5Cedit.txt
> RunExternal RunHidden CmdLine d:\5Cbatch\5Ceditmsg.cmd\20personal
> MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5CTrash
> IsManual
> IsContinue
> IsActive
> IsHotkey
> IsHotkeyOnly
> Ignore
> IsSendQueue
> endFilter

> ,- [ D:\Batch\editmsg.cmd ]
> | "D:\Program Files\UltraEdit\UEDIT32.EXE" e:\temp\edit.txt
> | d:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe /importu=%1;f="Inbox";X;IN=e:\temp\edit.txt
> `-

Just drag the message to the OUTBOX and then open the mail and edit it :-)

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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Robin Anson]

On Mon 18 October 2004, 23:37:56 +1000, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
> You can edit headers, including the
> subject field, only if you save a message to disk, and then edit it
> using some text editor - and then importing the message again in TB.
> But, the receiving time will not be original one any more

Not if you use the UNIX format. That stores the receive date/time in the
exported file, and retains it when you import it.

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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Robin Anson]

On Mon 18 October 2004, 22:31:20 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I need to be able to edit the subject of the email to remove the
> [spam] prependation (ohh I like that word!).
> 
> If I go to the mailbox and open it in a text editor I don'r seem to be
> able to achieve the effect desired.
> 
> Any easy ways? Any thoughts?

Here's my solution to editing a received message without changing header
date/time.

The following filter writes the message to a text file and then runs a
cmd file (D:\Batch\editmsg.cmd) that opens it in my text editor, and
when the editor is closed re-imports it into the inbox of my account
named "personal". To change the account name, change the parameter at
the end of the line that starts "RunExternal".

The filter is executed by CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-E.

Change to suit your paths and text editor. Note that this is as
automatically converted from a v2 filter to a v3 filter, so it might
benefit from some tuning.

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [4AA35E40.01C4B193.09E630C8.30EE97ED]
Name: Edit\20Message
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`\0D\0A}
ExportMessage OverwriteExist FmtUnix filename e:\5Ctemp\5Cedit.txt
RunExternal RunHidden CmdLine d:\5Cbatch\5Ceditmsg.cmd\20personal
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5CTrash
IsManual
IsContinue
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsHotkeyOnly
Ignore
IsSendQueue
endFilter

,- [ D:\Batch\editmsg.cmd ]
| "D:\Program Files\UltraEdit\UEDIT32.EXE" e:\temp\edit.txt
| d:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe /importu=%1;f="Inbox";X;IN=e:\temp\edit.txt
`-

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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 18 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 13:31:20 +0100, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> POPFile amedns the subject with a word such as [spam] prepended.

> I find the email is not spam and teach POPFile acordingly but then I
> want to store that email in the correct folder.

> If I re-filter the folder for other reasons then the [spam] email gets
> refiltered to the Spam folder.

> So...

> I need to be able to edit the subject of the email to remove the
> [spam] prependation (ohh I like that word!).

> If I go to the mailbox and open it in a text editor I don'r seem to be
> able to achieve the effect desired.

> Any easy ways? Any thoughts?

No (very) easy ways, as I know. You can edit headers, including the
subject field, only if you save a message to disk, and then edit it
using some text editor - and then importing the message again in TB.
But, the receiving time will not be original one any more.

If you have a fine bunch of such messages then a toll for mass-search
and replace might be of some help.

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Re[2]: Editing subject in stored email

[admin]

> Hæ!

> Monday, October 18, 2004, 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> POPFile amedns the subject with a word such as [spam] prepended.

> Why not disable this "option" in Popfile and filter instead on

> X-Text-Classification: spam

> in the header?

Yes I thought of that but the problem of later re-filtering remains
doesn't it? Whatever the 'mark' and whatever the filter condition
still needs to be altered to prevent later filtering back into the
spam folder.

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Re: Editing subject in stored email

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Monday, October 18, 2004, 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> POPFile amedns the subject with a word such as [spam] prepended.

Why not disable this "option" in Popfile and filter instead on

X-Text-Classification: spam

in the header?

You can edit the option in Popfile in the buckets area.

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Re: Help with percentage sign

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Monday, October 18, 2004, 13:49, Ian A. White wrote:
> You can enter this in a message but cannot do it in a template as the
> % sign is the trigger for a macro.

Ah, ok. Just as Marck wrote, %% works... ;D

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Editing subject in stored email

[admin]

POPFile amedns the subject with a word such as [spam] prepended.

I find the email is not spam and teach POPFile acordingly but then I
want to store that email in the correct folder.

If I re-filter the folder for other reasons then the [spam] email gets
refiltered to the Spam folder.

So...

I need to be able to edit the subject of the email to remove the
[spam] prependation (ohh I like that word!).

If I go to the mailbox and open it in a text editor I don'r seem to be
able to achieve the effect desired.

Any easy ways? Any thoughts?

-- 
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Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33
on Windows XP 5.1 


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Re: [Query] SpamPal (or Alternatives) and The Bat

[Allie Martin]

On 18/10/2004 at 1:39:52 AM, David M. Dickerson, [DMD] wrote:

> One person has suggested that NAV works automatically and unseen
> with TB!, which is why there is no plug-in.

This comment deserves a response here.

Most anti-virus programs come with incoming/outgoing message
monitoring, of which Kapersky anti-virus is no exception. In fact, all
the antivirus programs for which there are TB! plugin, do have
incoming/outgoing mail monitoring support.

Why have the plugin then?

- The plug-in will scan mail received and sent over encrypted
connections. Once you use an encrypted connection such as SSL/TLS,
this makes monitoring with antivirus proxies useless. The use of
encrypted connections is becoming more and more popular these days.

- The plugin allows you to place infected messages in a quarantine
folder. This makes it dead easy to locate the infected message when
it's received. If you're away from the machine and return, the
Quarantine folder count reflects what has happened in your absence.

- You can add a footer or header to the message body saying what virus
was found. Not all antivirus monitors will do this when an infected
message is detected.

- You can delete/attempt cure of the infected attachment.

- You can delete the message.

- You can send an autoresponse message if you like.

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Re: Help with percentage sign

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Thorvald,

@18-Oct-2004, 13:20 +0200 (18-Oct 12:20 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Dave:

>> "12%  discount",  when  she  looks  in  the  outbox the percentage sign
>> disappears?

TN> No problem on my end: "12% discount".

TN> Perhaps she should use a proper character encoding?

Put it in a QT, include it and see what you get. :-)

Mass mailings are done via quick templates.

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Re: Pgp Software

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Mica,

On Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 2:41:35 PM Mica [MM] wrote:

MM> I hopped that's possible that you boot "gradually", firstly in DOS
MM> mode, then you decrypt containers, and then boot in Windows. This
MM> way you would be able to encrypt entire OS partition as well.

This would actually require a DOS based OS, which WinNT, Win2k and
WinXP aren't.
Additionally you'd need to write a boot loader which can replace
current (DOS) kernel by Windows kernel, as from DOS-stage you're not
really executing a "boot process" as BIOS does.
Additionally this replacement has to performed in a way that keeps
nevertheless crucial parts of the DOS-kernel loaded, for
PGPDisk-drivers not being unloaded.

All in all this would be a quite complex thing and I don't think
somebody already managed this for Windows.

MM> But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can
MM> be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I
MM> understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a
MM> non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given
MM> moment, when you work with them.

Well ... define "have open". Having a file open requires to open it
first. This "open" would fail if the file(s) were non-readable. So
it/they must be readable, else you wouldn't be able to open it
yourself.
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Re: PGP support in TB 3.x: OpenPGP option and spotting PGP messages with filters

[Allie Martin]

On 17/10/2004 at 11:22:50 PM, Anthony G. Atkielski, [AGA] wrote:

> Two other questions on PGP in TB:

> 1. There's a macro and menu option for "Use OpenPGP," but exactly
> what does this do?

It makes you able to use OpenPGP from within TB!.

> If I turn it off, it seems that PGP options don't work at all. So if
> I'm not enabling OpenPGP, what good are the other options?

TB! will use the corresponding options depending on which OpenPGP
solution you wish to use from within TB!. OpenPGP KeyManager will open
the keymanager for PGP 8.0.2 if you're using it with TB!. The
preferences will open PGP preferences.

> And conversely, if I'm using other PGP options, which apparently
> require OpenPGP, why isn't OpenPGP enabled implicitly?

You may wish not to use OpenPGP from within TB! and only externally.
There are those who do not wish to use integrated support.

The other thing is that you may have multiple solutions installed. I
have PGP 8.1 installed, as well as GnuPG/GPG Shell. I've chosen to use
PGP 8.1 with TB!. How would TB! know which one you wish to integrate
with and if you wish to integrate at all?

> The implication seems to be that there are other ways to support PGP
> within TB besides the use of OpenPGP, but what are they?  I have PGP
> 8.0.2 installed.

Well, there's the Internal PGP version. That's based on PGP v2.x. Not
many use it because of its limited support for the DH/DSS keys that
are commonly used today.

There's GnuPG http://www.gnupg.org

> 2. What's the best way to recognize PGP-signed messages in incoming
> mail with filters?

With TB! it's best to check the message body or the headers for
strings that would imply the message is signed. PGP/MIME signed
messages would have a header string to the effect:

Content-Type: multipart/signed

For inline signatures, do a text match for the following strings in
the message body:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

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Re: PGP support in TB 3.x: OpenPGP option and spotting PGP messages with filters

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Anthony,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 6:22:50 AM Anthony [AGA] wrote:

AGA> 1. There's a macro and menu option for "Use OpenPGP," but exactly what
AGA> does this do?

It enables or disables PGP-usage. There is a different method for
signing and/or encrypting messages: S/MIME.
If both were activated the message would be double signed/encrypted,
this is most the times *not* intended.

Therefore you have the possibility to selectively activate and/or
deactivate any of these two security mechanisms. Hereby activating one
does NOT imply deactivating the other.

And in the end you only have to sign/encrypt the message, without
further carrying about which method will be used (therefore only one
macro per command, %SignComplete & %EncryptComplete, has to exist).

AGA> 2. What's the best way to recognize PGP-signed messages in incoming mail
AGA> with filters?

The best? Guess you'll have to figure yourself what is best *for you*.
One possibility could be to filter for "Content-Type: multipart/signed"
in message source. One could extend search pattern to include
'protocol="application/pgp-signature"' too, but I'm to lazy to search
my database if there are other protocol strings that indicate PGP
signature.
Of course this only captures PGP/MIME signed messages, for "inline"
signed messages you'll have to add the appropriate signal string
yourself :-)

AGA> since I can generally assume that any message with a PGP
AGA> signature is not spam

Wrong assumption. Since spammers know PGP signed messages get lesser
scores in anti spam software they tend to pretend sending PGP-signed
messages (usually inline signed). Of course the signature *IS*
invalid, it's just they fake the general syntax, so somebody checking
only *if* a signature is present, but not it the signature is valid,
is satisfied.
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Re: parameters in QTs

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Michael,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 12:36:56 AM Michael [MLW] wrote:

C>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg49425.html

MLW> So, the question becomes this:  Is there a way to open a new message
MLW> and run a QT with a custom parameter?

??? Any example for your wish? I really don't get your point ... :-/
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Re: Help with percentage sign

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Monday, October 18, 2004, 12:26, Dave Thomas wrote:
> A  friend  of  mine is using BAT version 2 and when trying to create a
> mass  mailing with the use of a percentage sign is having a problem eg
> "12%  discount",  when  she  looks  in  the  outbox the percentage sign
> disappears?

No problem on my end: "12% discount".

Perhaps she should use a proper character encoding?

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Re: Help with percentage sign

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Dave,

@18-Oct-2004, 12:26 +0200 (18-Oct 11:26 UK time) Dave Thomas [DT] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DT> A  friend  of  mine is using BAT version 2 and when trying to create a
DT> mass  mailing with the use of a percentage sign is having a problem eg
DT> "12%  discount",  when  she  looks  in  the  outbox the percentage sign
DT> disappears?

The % symbol is a special character in a TB template and is expected
to indicate the presence of a macro. To induce TB to include a real %
sign from a template, simply double it up: "12%% discount".

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Re: Help with percentage sign

[admin]

> Hi there

> A  friend  of  mine is using BAT version 2 and when trying to create a
> mass  mailing with the use of a percentage sign is having a problem eg
> "12%  discount",  when  she  looks  in  the  outbox the percentage sign
> disappears?


Two options:

A) use % instead of the actual symbol if the output is HTML

B) use 'per cent' in words if the output is plain text.

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Help with percentage sign

[Dave Thomas]

Hi there

A  friend  of  mine is using BAT version 2 and when trying to create a
mass  mailing with the use of a percentage sign is having a problem eg
"12%  discount",  when  she  looks  in  the  outbox the percentage sign
disappears?


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Re[2]: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[admin]

> Some time around 10/17/2004 19:08:42, I think I heard Michael L. Wilson say:
>> My reply...
>> I just tried it and it only took 9, and I was overwriting an existing
>> file.  Then a final click to close.  So, 9 to run and 1 to close.

> OMG! well, then that just makes it all peachy better!  Its those
> extra 2 clicks that the poster had to make that destroys the spirit.

QED

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Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[DZ-Jay]

Some time around 10/17/2004 19:08:42, I think I heard Michael L. Wilson say:
> My reply...
> I just tried it and it only took 9, and I was overwriting an existing
> file.  Then a final click to close.  So, 9 to run and 1 to close.

OMG! well, then that just makes it all peachy better!  Its those extra 2 clicks that 
the poster had to make that destroys the spirit.   

-dZ.

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Re[2]: Eleven clicks for a full backup

[admin]

> Hello admin,

> old message...

> My reply...
> I just tried it and it only took 9, and I was overwriting an existing
> file.  Then a final click to close.  So, 9 to run and 1 to close.

Errmmm... aren't we missing my point here...?

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