Connection centre hang

[P.Johnson]

Hello,

The Connection Centre (the window that monitors incoming/outgoing
mail) has started to hang after a new mail download. After mail is
downloaded, the Connection Centre sits on the last account and does
not close.

Is this a bug; is there a solution or workaround?

I should mention, though I hope it is not related, that I have just
restored TB from a backup to a new computer.

Thanks!
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gmail now has pop+smtp, TB! just works

[David Pascoe]

Just had a quick play with the new pop3+smtp enabled in gmail and TB!

I enabled TLS connections for pop3 and smtp + smtp authentication and it
appears to be working just fine - neat !

When IMAP comes along it will be even better.

davidp.
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Re: FullFolderName macro (was: Edit Message Subject)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:11:52 +0100 GMT (11/11/2004, 03:11 +0700 GMT),
Peter Ouwehand wrote:

BM>>> Please Ritlabs, give us a FullFolderName macro!!!

TF>> If you put this into the wishlist, I'll second it (if you post the
TF>> full URL of that wishlist entry). Nothing to do with editing message
TF>> subjects, but I would like it for my print template.

PO> Here's a somewhat older request for it:
PO> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2985

Exactly what I need, thanks. I added a bugnote.

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Help: TheBat! Not closing on Exit - 2nd Request!

[Michael Rudnick]

Sorry to be pain but... I posted the request below but didn't receive
a reply. Earlier I posted a message relating to this issue and Allie
Martin replied (Re: Having Trouble Closing TheBat - 2nd Request). I
have tried the ideas in that message but am no farther to solving the
problem.

==

I'm having a nuisance issue with TheBat! I'm using the latest version
although this problem occurred before in 2.x.

Some preliminary info:
- I have my Bat files on my server. The folders 'available offline' so
  I can always access them.
- I made the tests below with virus scanning turned off to remove that
  as a possible problem.
- I turned off mail checking during the testing (at startup and after
  x minutes).
- I removed the spam filter (Bayes Filter) for the tests.

Now the problem:

  I log off, disconnect from network, then log on and open TheBat!
  When I close the program, the process (in Task Manager) ends
  immediately upon exiting.

  I log off or restart, connect to network, and log on and open
  TheBat! When I close the program, the process (in Task Manager)
  takes over 2 minutes to end.

Another point: Whenever I open TheBat! (in either situation listed
above) it takes about a minute for all the folders to display. During
that time TheBat! process is taking most or all of the CPU resources.

I'm wondering if there is something fundamentally wrong with the
installation. Should I uninstall and reinstall the program? Is there
another test I should run to figure out why this is occurring?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: What is the best Spam prgram to use with the bat?

[David Pascoe]

On Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 09:45:30 [GMT +0200] you wrote:

DT> I  was  wondering  if  someone  could  recommend a good spam filtering
DT> program to use with the bat?

spamcop.net is with doubt the best - i.e. it filters all the spam and
virii for you and just lets the good stuff through. Sophisticated
filtering can be selected and whitelists etc. $30USD a year, well worth
it. I have all my main email sent from one inbox to spamcop and
automatically back to another secret one, where I use TB! to read it.

cheers,
davidp.   
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Re: adress book macros

[Ralph]

Hello Chris,

@Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 23:26 you wrote:


> Ralph @ 2004-Nov-10 3:24:14 PM
> "adress book macros" 

>> On new messages with address book (group) templates, the cursor
>> stays right in front of the adressee. In replies everything works
>> flawlessly...

> Do you mean that it is in the box where you type the e-mail address of
> the person you are sending the message to? If so, that is by design.
> If you tab into the message body, you will find that the cursor starts
> where it should.


thanx.  The  most  obvious  things  are  the  ones,  that  are easiest
missed... ;-)

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Re: adress book macros

[Chris]

Ralph @ 2004-Nov-10 3:24:14 PM
"adress book macros" 

> On new messages with address book (group) templates, the cursor
> stays right in front of the adressee. In replies everything works
> flawlessly...

Do you mean that it is in the box where you type the e-mail address of
the person you are sending the message to? If so, that is by design.
If you tab into the message body, you will find that the cursor starts
where it should.

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net)

[Allie Martin]

Hi  Jean Claude,

You wrote:

> How can I know what is sent via the helo command ?

Use your ISP that takes posts from TB! and send a message to the list. We'll
see in the headers what the helo name is. Currently, it's 'main'.

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Martin Tillman]

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 12:43:47 PM, Gerard wrote:


> Look here for the postcast server which I use:
> http://www.postcastserver.com/


Hey, nice pointer!

It's now running on my laptop.  The ability to properly use email when
at work from this machine will be most welcome.

I may even consider setting it up on our small LAN at work to avoid
what appears to be a totally lame mail server on our isp.


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Re: adress book macros

[Ralph]

Hello Roelof Otten,

@Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 12:05 you wrote:

> Hallo Ralph,

> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:51:21 +0100GMT (8-11-2004, 11:51 +0100, where I
> live), you wrote:

R>> The only problem remaining is, that the %CURSOR macro doesn't
R>> work anymore. The cursor stays in the "To:" field in front of the
R>> adressee...

> Is that on new messages, replies. On messages with account, folder,
> address book templates. Or whatever.


On  new messages with address book (group) templates, the cursor stays
right   in   front  of  the  adressee.  In  replies  everything  works
flawlessly...

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Re: FullFolderName macro

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 10-Nov-04 11:15am -0600, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:36:29 -0600 GMT (09/11/2004, 01:36 +0700 GMT),
> Bill McCarthy wrote:

BM>> Please Ritlabs, give us a FullFolderName macro!!!

> If you put this into the wishlist, I'll second it (if you post the
> full URL of that wishlist entry). Nothing to do with editing message
> subjects, but I would like it for my print template.

What it has to do with editing messages, with an
external editor, is that to put the message back to the
proper place requires the full folder name.

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FullFolderName macro (was: Edit Message Subject)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Bill,

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:36:29 -0600 GMT (09/11/2004, 01:36 +0700 GMT),
Bill McCarthy wrote:

BM> Please Ritlabs, give us a FullFolderName macro!!!

If you put this into the wishlist, I'll second it (if you post the
full URL of that wishlist entry). Nothing to do with editing message
subjects, but I would like it for my print template.

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Re: Imap issues - follow up

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Karin,

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:38:48 +0100 GMT (09/11/2004, 18:38 +0700 GMT),
Karin van den Berg wrote:

KvdB> Just to let you all know, as a follow up of my forum post which I also
KvdB> posted here with subject "IMAP issues keeping me from upgrading", they
KvdB> removed my post on the forum shortly after posting it, and made it into
KvdB> a support tickets which has gone unanswered for a week now.

The way I understand it, the forum on the Rit page has another purpose
than this list. Over there, only things that work correctly are
discussed in a way that helps newbies to use them. (Somebody CMIIW.)

If there is an issue with things that don't work, you have found the
right ML to post them. Here, it will be analysed and may find its way
into the "bugtracker" system, if it is a bug. Or into the "wishlist",
if that is appropriate. In any case, no postings get deleted and this
list is very friendly.

I don't know anything about IMAP. But if you post your worries here, I
am sure you will get replies. If you posted it here earlier, I
apologise: I usually don't read IMAP related posts, yours just caught
my eye as you started a new thread.

I hope this helps, but I'm not sure it does.

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Re[2]: What is the best Spam prgram to use with the bat?

[Code 2]

>> I  was  wondering  if  someone  could  recommend a good spam
>> filtering program to use with the bat?


MT> K9 - http://keir.net

MT> I've been using it for quite a while.  I settled on thebat some months
MT> ago and tried the built-in anti-spam.  I found it really poor, but
MT> persevered.  I've now given up.  K9 worked really well to start with
MT> and just got better quite quickly.  It's 99.27% accurate with
MT> virtually never a false positive.  TheBat on it's own maybe managed
MT> 50% .

MT> K9 can be a bit non-obvious to set up, but after that it's just great.


I would recommend K9, as well, and SpamPal.

I've had K9 running with The Bat! for about 6 weeks and it's 98.5%
accurate.  All the inaccuracies now are false negatives (spam
misclassified as good), because spammers keep finding new combinations
to bypass bayesian filters.  The ongoing training is a bit of a
hassle, but I kind of enjoy it.

I have also been running SpamPal on an Outlook Express system and it
continues chugging along at 100% accuracy, with the only intervention
being periodic updates.

For a no-brainer spam filter, go with SpamPal.  For a filter that,
while requiring a bigger learning curve and more user involvement, can
be fine-tuned for your own breed of good mail and spam, try K9.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net)

[Jean Claude Gaertner]

Hello Roelof,
Thanks for the explanation. I understand what is the HELO argument now. Here 
is my configuration :

My Main computer is connected via a lan to my Linksys modem router WAG54G. I 
have Norton Internet Security 2005 installed so I have both a firewall and 
in/out virus scanner. The modem router acts as DHCP server so my computer 
has a 192.168.1.xx address. I don't have a fixed IP address from my ISP.

I tried to send Email with Norton firewall and Outgoing Anti virus off but I 
receive the same message.
How can I know what is sent via the helo command ?

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 11:58:59 AM, you wrote:
>>To prevent all this hassle, you can use your own SMTP server and you will 
>>never
>>have to worry about what settings are used by any ISP ever again :-)

JCG> I would like to try this solution in the meantime, could you give me any
JCG> pointer please

JCG> Thanks in advance

Hi Jean,

Look here for the postcast server which I use:
http://www.postcastserver.com/

There is a free and a paid for version. I use the free version.

If you do a search for smtp servers in Google you will find lots more.
but this one is stable and work with XP

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jean,

Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 12:05:55 PM, you wrote:

>>Does this server require authentication?

> No, authentification is not required nor supported by he way.

OK. I have no idea whats wrong and why your connection is being
rejected.

The provider is only allowing the usage of his SMTP service if you're
connected thru his network, correct?

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jean,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:29:09 +0100GMT (10-11-2004, 9:29 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

JCG> !10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply -
JCG> : Helo command rejected: Invalid name

Your ISP is refusing the HELO argument you're using.

I've been doing some testing just now and found that TB sends the
machine name unless you're using an smtp proxy on your own machine.

Apparently OE is using the machine name, it looks like your pc is
called 'main', since that's what OE uses when communicating to the
server.

Could you give some more info on your setup?

Are you on a LAN?
Are you using a proxy-server to share your internet connection?
Are scanning outgoing mail with your virus scanner?
Have you got a fixed IP address from your ISP (or your LAN)?
What firewall (if any) re you using?

JCG> Is this a bug in the current Bat version ?

No, it's your ISP's mail server arbitrarily refusing your helo
argument

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Mod: Cut mark (was: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jean,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:58:59 +0100GMT (10-11-2004, 11:58 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

JCG> Thanks in advance

JCG> ---
JCG>Jean Claude


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jean.

  )<)))'>

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
to your signature by the list server.

To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
subscribed.

Thank you.


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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Allie Martin]

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 3:29:09 AM [GMT -0500], Jean Claude
Gaertner wrote:

> : Helo command rejected: Invalid name

Interesting. It would be nice to see what exactly is being rejected.

The Helo name TB! usually sends is either your machine IP or machine
name. I'm not sure why your ISP is rejecting this.

Take a look at this page:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/03/msg12871.html

When I send a message to my local server, the Helo name sent is
localhost. TB! is on the same machine as the server.

"Wed 2004-11-10 05:31:41: <-- EHLO localhost"

When sending from my laptop on the network:

Wed 2004-11-10 06:27:07: <-- EHLO LAPTOP-HOME

The machine name is sent.

So, it's very likely that TB! sends your machine name and your ISP is
having a problem with that.

It should be interesting to see what OE sends. I don't have it installed
though to check.

I just sent a message with OE and the Helo is:

Wed 2004-11-10 06:32:25: <-- EHLO laptophome

I have no idea why the Helo command is rejected.

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: What is the best Spam program to use with the Bat?)

[Dave Thomas]

Hi tbudl

Marck> Dear Dave,

Marck> @10-Nov-2004, 11:08 +0200 (10-Nov 09:08 UK time) Dave Thomas [DT] in
Marck> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DT>> 
DT>> Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Marck> 
Marck> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
Marck> just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
Marck> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Dave.

Marck>   )<)))'>

Marck> Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
Marck> of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
Marck> This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
Marck> the signature and list footers since everything below and including
Marck> the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

Marck> You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
Marck> your templates.

Marck> Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
Marck> difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
Marck> courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
Marck> to your signature by the list server.

Marck> To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
Marck> private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
Marck> subscribed.

Marck> Thank you.
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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Jean Claude Gaertner]

What has happend is that your email setting are based on sending email 
using the
Wanadoserver. This works fine if you are on the Wanado network.
Hello Gérard,
Thanks for the answer but maybe I was not so clear, when I use CEGETEL ADSL
I have, of course, selected smtp.cegetel.net in account properties to send
Emails and cegetel Email address was in use too.
In case you use improper smtp server, the message you receive is something
like "relaying denied or not authorized"

To prevent all this hassle, you can use your own SMTP server and you will 
never
have to worry about what settings are used by any ISP ever again :-)
I would like to try this solution in the meantime, could you give me any
pointer please
Thanks in advance
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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Jean Claude Gaertner]

Does this server require authentication?
Hello Alexander,
No, authentification is not required nor supported by he way.
This drives me nuts
I don't understand
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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Allie Martin]

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 4:45:37 AM [GMT -0500], Alexander
S. Kunz wrote:

> If you're on a dialup connection with a dynamic IP adress your message
> will most likely be filtered as spam somewhere by a DNSBL filter...

This was only a very transient problem for me. However, I can't tell the
last time this has happened. I usually get replies to my messages.

I'm using a dynamic IP DSL subscription.

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Re: What is the best Spam program to use with the Bat?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Roelof,

On 10-11-2004 11:19, you [RO] wrote in
:
RO> K9 runs as a proxy server on your local machine, I'm not quite sure
RO> about Spampal though.

The same.

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Re: batpgpXX.dll files in folder C:\Program Files\The Bat! required?

[Allie Martin]

On Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 10:40:23 PM [GMT -0500], Mfpa wrote:


> http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Program+Folders+and+Files

> suggests there should be "batpgpXX.dll files required for using
> PGP/GPG" in TB in folder C:\Program Files\The Bat!

That's for older versions of TB! before integrated support for PGP
v5,6,7,8 came on stream. I had tried the integrated support with v6 and
though it worked, there were little cosmetic quirks that were ironed out
if I used the traditionally provided dlls you're now referring to.

> I don't have these and have problems encrypting from within The
> Bat! using PGP 8.1. Could it be due to not having these dll files?
> Searching for files named "*pgp*dll" shows 8 files in
> C:\WINDOWS\system32 but none in C:\Program Files\The Bat!

> I can decrypt with no problems as long as I don't try to encrypt.

PGP v8 will not work with those old dll files. The DLL's provide plugin
support for v5 and 6. Versions 7 and 8 require the integrated support.

> More info is at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3488.

Hmmm. I've never had that problem before and I've been using PGP v8
since my v2 days. The only problem I've recalled having was that the
PGPSDK service would crash, but that was long ago and it spontaneously
stopped.

TB! and the PGPSDK service is having a problem on your machine. I don't
know why. Sorry that I can't be of any better help.

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Re: What is the best Spam program to use with the Bat?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dave,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:08:37 +0200GMT (10-11-2004, 10:08 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

DT> Can  I  use K9 & Spampal if I am receiving my mail through a server at
DT> work?   Does  it run on my machine or needs to be accessed through the
DT> web?

K9 runs as a proxy server on your local machine, I'm not quite sure
about Spampal though.

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[Roelof Otten]

Hallo CDWOS,

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live), you wrote:

C> Regards

C> - Charles -

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[Roelof Otten]

Hallo CDWOS,

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>> 
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[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dave,

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[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dave,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:26:07 +0200GMT (10-11-2004, 9:26 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

DT> Web: www.psion.co.za

DT> ==
Alexander>> Hello Dave,


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Re: Restoring TB from a backup

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jeff,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:18:12 +GMT (10-11-2004, 10:18 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

JG> In view of the difficulties people face in restoring TB! is it worth
JG> putting a FGA together?

Well, you could add it the tb-wiki

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Re: batpgpXX.dll files in folder C:\Program Files\The Bat! required?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MFPA,

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:40:23 +GMT (10-11-2004, 4:40 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

M> 
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Program+Folders+and+Files
M> suggests there should be "batpgpXX.dll files required for using
M> PGP/GPG" in TB in folder C:\Program Files\The Bat!

I don't know for GPG and older PGP programs, but I don't have them and
everything is just fine with my PGP 8.1
However I only started using PGP with TB v3, so I'm not absolutely
sure about the necessity of those file for v2.

Can you encrypt from PGPmail?

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Gerard,

Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 10:42:23 AM, you wrote:

> To prevent all this hassle, you can use your own SMTP server and you will 
> never
> have to worry about what settings are used by any ISP ever again :-)

If you're on a dialup connection with a dynamic IP adress your message
will most likely be filtered as spam somewhere by a DNSBL filter...
:-/

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 9:29:09 AM, you wrote:
JCG> !10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply -
JCG> : Helo command rejected: Invalid name
JCG>  10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - connection finished - 0 messages sent
JCG>  10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log
JCG> for details

Hi Jean,

What has happend is that your email setting are based on sending email using the
Wanadoserver. This works fine if you are on the Wanado network.

To prevent spammers using email servers on other networks a lot of email servers
only allow connection to the email server if you are actually on their network
and do not allow you to use any other email address then the one of the network.

When you switch networks. ea calling on line 2, you cannot use the wanada
mailserver, but you have to use the Cegetel sever and apparently you also have
to use the Cegetel email address.

Also make sure that you change settings in both email accounts in TB!

To prevent all this hassle, you can use your own SMTP server and you will never
have to worry about what settings are used by any ISP ever again :-)

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Re: cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jean,

Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 9:29:09 AM, you wrote:

> !10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply -
> : Helo command rejected: Invalid name

Does this server require authentication?

If yes... do you maybe filter spam with a local proxy? If so, maybe
you have accidentally set the authentication info for mail retrieval
(from the local proxy) for the SMTP server, as well?

Just a guess...

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Re[3]: Restoring TB from a backup

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 3:50:15 AM,  wrote:

PJ> Hello Roelof,
PJ> On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 9:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snipped]

PJ> Roelof, thank you. I don't know what went wrong. But I appreciate your
PJ> help in this.


This a a general question rather than specifically for Pat.

In view of the difficulties people face in restoring TB! is it worth
putting a FGA together?

I would be happy to draft something for comments incorporating the
advice that has been given in this group - although I wouldn't propose
using a TB! backup, it seems much easier to just copy the directories
and restore the registry keys.


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Re: What is the best Spam program to use with the Bat?

[Dave Thomas]

Hi tbudl

Can  I  use K9 & Spampal if I am receiving my mail through a server at
work?   Does  it run on my machine or needs to be accessed through the
web?


Kind Regards

Dave Thomas
Product Manager
Psionet

Tel +27 21 683 1192
Fax +27 21 683 1196

Web: www.psion.co.za

==

>> Hi guys
>>
>> I  was  wondering  if  someone  could  recommend a good spam
>> filtering
>> program to use with the bat?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Dave Thomas
>> Product Manager
>> Psionet
>>
>> Tel +27 21 683 1192
>> Fax +27 21 683 1196
>>
>> Web: www.psion.co.za
>>
>>
>> 
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>> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


CDWOS> Hi Dave

CDWOS>  I personally use K9 and have used Spampal both without any problem.
CDWOS> I have found both to be effective.


CDWOS> Regards

CDWOS> - Charles -

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Re: What is the best Spam prgram to use with the bat?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Dave,

Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 9:26:07 AM, you wrote:

>>> I was wondering if someone could recommend a good spam filtering
>>> program to use with the bat?

Alexander>> What mail protocol are you using, POP3 or IMAP?

> pop3

You have two choices then:

1. use an antispam plugin thats directly available in TheBat

There are two: BayesIT (delivered with The Bat, but optional to
install) and BayesFilter (separate download). Depending on whom you
ask, you may get different answers regarding their usability and
performance. For some it is performing very well, for others it
doesn't work, another can't use these plugins at all because The Bat
hangs when they're installed, or something... I only tried BayesIT a
while ago and it didn't perform well for me, but then again, it has
been further developped quite a bit since then.

2. use an external antispam tool (a local proxy)

There's a huge number of those available, I'd say the most common are
SpamPal (uses DNS blacklists & can use Bayes filtering with a plugin),
K9 (very small, very fast, pure Bayes filter with optional
black/whitelists) and PopFile (much more than just a spam filter, it
is a mail classification program - you can not only keep ham & spam
apart, but filter messages into any "bucket" that you can create
yourself).

All those "Bayes" filters require a little bit of training (you have
to tell 'em what it spam and what is not, or rather, for PopFile,
which mail goes into which bucket) before they start filtering
correctly, but their performance usually beats every other filtering
technology - after a while you'll usually reach >99% accuracy.

I've been a PopFile user myself quite a while, but it is a real
resource hog and dead slow (its written in Perl), and as I didn't
benefit that much from its classification features (I can do most of
it with TB's filters), I stopped using it. So, I'd recommend K9 if
you're looking for a really fast spam filter. Its very lean (only
113kB download including installer) and has a good & simple GUI to
(re)classify the mails.

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What is the best Spam program to use with the Bat?

[CDWOS]

> Hi guys
>
> I  was  wondering  if  someone  could  recommend a good spam
> filtering
> program to use with the bat?
>
>
> --
> Kind Regards
>
> Dave Thomas
> Product Manager
> Psionet
>
> Tel +27 21 683 1192
> Fax +27 21 683 1196
>
> Web: www.psion.co.za
>
>
> 
> Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Hi Dave

 I personally use K9 and have used Spampal both without any problem.
I have found both to be effective.


Regards

- Charles -

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cannot send Email via smtp with Cegetel.net

[Jean Claude Gaertner]

Hello,
I'm currently evaluating The Bat and in the meantime I'm also evaluating a
new ADSL provider (Cegetel).
Let me explain :
I have Wanadoo ADSL provider on phone line 1 and Cegetel on phone line 2
On phone line 1 via smtp.wanadoo.fr, I can send Email via smtp protocol with
no problem
On phone line 2 via smtp.cegetel.net, I am not able to send any message at
all. The log report the following :
!10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply -
: Helo command rejected: Invalid name
10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - connection finished - 0 messages sent
10/11/2004, 08:38:24: SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log
for details
If I switch to Outlook Express, with the same parameters I can send Email
via smtp.cegetel.net. In fact I'm sending this message via Outlook Express
and Cegetel.
Is this a bug in the current Bat version ?
I have tried the current release version and the latest beta 3.02 beta 6
I would appreciate any pointer
Best regards from France
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Re[2]: What is the best Spam prgram to use with the bat?

[Dave Thomas]

Hi tbudl

pop3


Kind Regards

Dave Thomas
Product Manager
Psionet

Tel +27 21 683 1192
Fax +27 21 683 1196

Web: www.psion.co.za

==
Alexander> Hello Dave,

Alexander> Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 8:45:30 AM, you wrote:

>> I was wondering if someone could recommend a good spam filtering
>> program to use with the bat?

Alexander> What mail protocol are you using, POP3 or IMAP?





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Re: What is the best Spam prgram to use with the bat?

[Martin Tillman]

Hello Dave,

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 7:45:30 AM, you wrote:

> Hi guys

> I  was  wondering  if  someone  could  recommend a good spam
> filtering program to use with the bat?

K9 - http://keir.net

I've been using it for quite a while.  I settled on thebat some months
ago and tried the built-in anti-spam.  I found it really poor, but
persevered.  I've now given up.  K9 worked really well to start with
and just got better quite quickly.  It's 99.27% accurate with
virtually never a false positive.  TheBat on it's own maybe managed
50% .

K9 can be a bit non-obvious to set up, but after that it's just great.


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