Re: Encoding and CopyPaste
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 2 Mar 2005, @ @ at 00:24:03 -0500, when Jack wrote: Any solutions to this problem? I wasn't dealing with Chinese characters, but generally TB makes in the very same way impossible a direct copy/paste actions, when some other character sets are involved. An example is that, if I have to c/p correctly some text written in CP 1250, or 1251, or ISO-2 etc, I have to insert it in Word (MS), or in Write (Open Office), then to save it (usually in .ans format) so that the text would retain the proper format and fonts, and then to open it in Edxor (a text editor I use instead Notepad), then to copy all the text, and then to paste it in TB. (-: This is most 'advanced' solution I was able to monkey out, with what I have on disposal, counting in my own technical and other limitations. When I was dealing, for a short time, with Japanese parts of text, I had to carry out, basically, the very same procedures, using external editors capable to read Shift-JIS encoding. TB would display all Japanese correctly but a direct c/p was and remained just a dream. So, it was *much* easier if such and similar texts were prepared in an other format and sent as attachments, or simply sent using some other mailer. The situation is very similar to the mythical UTF-8 case: it is nice to know that this feature will work, someday, but in the meantime (which sometimes lasts for years) we have some things to do. (-: This is my experience and I am not aware of anything better, as to TB. In this regard. I was not dealing with the Japanese and similar encoding on a daily basis, just occasionally (while the problems described above with CP 1250/51 and ISO-2 I accept as a bearable pain), but if *you* do, might be then that keeping some additional mailer handy is not so bad idea. FoxMail is known for a good work with several Chinese (and other eastern) encodings, so you could perhaps try this one too. After all, it is a Chinese 'product' and should behave well in its own environment. (-: Another solution, as an addition to TB, would be some better mailer in Linux environment (perhaps some Kmail, coming usually with KDE desktop), where you could write/read (almost?) everything: Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, Sanskrit, Hebrew, Zulu... But I don't know if such solution would be economic for you, in terms of investment, as for time and possible new learnings. Btw, your message is coming using charset=ISO-8859-15, while you are trying to display Chinese characters coming from GB2312 charset, as I understand. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :crazy: [Earth LOG: 182 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCJbQn9q62QPd3XuIRAqmiAKCNWnUP6+yHT78TDrTOej1QNsz5sACfSnbV wqEdiTbinGM7qr/i4GGkbVQ= =IJz7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?
Hello Roman, On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:12:49 -0500 GMT (02/03/2005, 12:12 +0700 GMT), Roman Katzer wrote: RK Thanks for the suggestion. I had tried and not mentioned that. RK It didn't help. As you suspected correctly, the encoding shown was none, RK setting it to Auto made it choose Central European. Neither that nor RK Latin-9 worked. Can you send me the message as MIME-attachment by PM? I want to play with the settings a bit. RK Is this worth a bug report? I'm not sure about that. I always saw UTF-support in the PTV as a feature request, right-clicking and changing the encoding manually has always helped over here. Which font are you using in the RTV? Which Windows version are you using? -- Cheers, Thomas. If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Encoding and CopyPaste
Hello Jack, On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:24:03 -0500 GMT (02/03/2005, 12:24 +0700 GMT), Jack wrote: J I've been having problems with copying Chinese J characters from TheBat! editor. I can paste J native encoding of Chinese (GB2312) in thebat J editor and it displays OK. But when I copy from J the editor, and paste it into another editor, J or paste in the same TheBat message editor, some J question marks or strange characters are displayed. Not confirmed. I used to have that problem under Windows 98 before, but not now under XP. J This came out fine (nee hao) just by hitting Reply. J ??o? I pasted this into Notepad and from there back into the TB editor. Displays fine. Let's see how it arrives when it comes back through the list. A side remark: In order to make it display correctly in your incoming message, I had to right-click on the message body and choose Character Set. I was set to Latin-9, I changed it to GB2312. I say this with reference to Roman's problem displaying German characters correctly. What Windows version are you using? -- Cheers, Thomas. Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. - Dwight D. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Encoding and CopyPaste
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:33:25 +0700 GMT (02/03/2005, 23:33 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF TF I pasted this into Notepad and from there back into the TB editor. TF Displays fine. Let's see how it arrives when it comes back through the TF list. Still looks fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. A student was asked to list the 10 Commandments in any order. His answer? 3, 6, 1, 8, 4, 5, 9, 2, 10, 7. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: splitting msgs
Hello Jan Rifkinson everyone else, on 02-Mrz-2005 at 02:04 you (Jan Rifkinson) wrote: So let's say I'm sending out a msg with 4 small photos within the msg as photo inserts in an html photo. In my case TB! split this msg into 4 msgs. How does TB! split up the msg, between photos or what? I've never tried it with an html message. A message with a total size that is larger than the split size will be split. Binaries (such as pictures) will be encoded in a 7-bit transport form (either UU-Encode or Base64, the latter being the MIME default IIRC). Due to the encoding in 7bit form, the message size will increase by about 1/3 of the original size. The individual parts can be glued together in a text editor (and thats the part that will be done automatically by TB). As I said, I've never tried with an html message, but with normal messages + binary attachments the function is still a waste because TB does not restore the original message, but will show you the two MIME parts (the text + the attachment) on screen... you'd have to export the message and extract the Base64 encoded attachment manually. I can not find a function in TB to do that automatically. I don't see how this would work any better when the message format is HTML. What settings do some of you use? I've disabled message splitting because of the above problems, and because the majority of other mail clients and mail users can't handle out there can't handle a splitted message. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular? -- David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
Hi, I'm having problems with both GnuPG and PGP with regards to integration with TB! The problems are more severe with GnuPG, so I'll start with that. Please note that I'm still using TB! v2.12.00. I'm using GnuPG v1.4.0, and PGP v8.1. Here's what happens when I try to verify a simple inline clear signature using the TB! integration with GnuPG: gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available If I use the GPGtray HotKeys (GPGshell v3.32) to perform the verification function on the same message, all is well, and GnuPG shows no error. I get the same error if I try to use any of the PGP/MIME options with GnuPG as well. Just after asking for my passphrase (for signing), I'll get this error again: gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available I can get no further than that. So, for the moment, GnuPG integration with TB! seems to be entirely useless to me. Now, with PGP integration: This works, in general. However, I'm having a problem getting it to create a PGP/MIME encrypted message. PGP/MIME signing and verification is no problem, but if I try to use the on-the-fly privacy options to enable a PGP/MIME signed *and* encrypted message, it will only produce an inline signed/encrypted message. Now, if I instead use these macros in a template... %usepgp%- %pgpmime%- %signcomplete%- %encryptcomplete%- ...PGP/MIME works as expected, creating a fully PGP/MIME signed/encrrypted message. So, why does this work using macros in a template, but the very same options chosen on-the-fly in the message editor creates inline instead of PGP/MIME messages? Any ideas on both GnuPG and PGP problems will be appreciated. Thanks! -- Melissa PGP public keys: http://www.kuviahunnihautik.tk/ TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpfT8F0BKUQQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
Melissa Reese wrote: Here's what happens when I try to verify a simple inline clear signature using the TB! integration with GnuPG: gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem. Note that there are other GnuPG issues, especially when wanting to encrypt to multiple keys for one email address (As is the case with the PGPNET Yahoo group. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html (Updated) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005, @ @ at 14:40:13 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote: . I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is new to me. What that would mean? gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA key ID 1C9D5360 gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message gpg: BAD signature from [?] - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 182 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCJhuf9q62QPd3XuIRAvGEAKCO3Bez1Q3umZeZ9kYgNsb8p92SpACfaFnS wldihWcgnkgp4RXesqteumg= =Me/W -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
Mica Mijatovic wrote: ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005, @ @ at 14:40:13 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote: . I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is new to me. What that would mean? gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA key ID 1C9D5360 gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message gpg: BAD signature from [?] I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring? If that's not it, maybe someone on the list will know. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html (Updated) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
Hi David, On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 11:40:13 AM PST, you wrote: Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem. Hee hee! I just sent you an off-list message relating the interesting, yet disturbing experience of installing this new version of GnuPG. Problems went way beyond simple TB! integration issues, hence the off-list reply. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: http://www.kuviahunnihautik.tk/ TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpdCvsiYEY14.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?
Hi On Wednesday 2 March 2005 at 5:12:49 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roman Katzer wrote: Is this worth a bug report? There are already several about UTF-8. Perhaps this is related to one of them? -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?
Hi On Wednesday 2 March 2005 at 4:26:32 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: I always saw UTF-support in the PTV as a feature request, right-clicking and changing the encoding manually has always helped over here. From my point of view, switching to the rich text viewer to display certain message - against my wishes and contrary to the options I have set to view all messages as plain text - is a bug. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: splitting msgs
Hi On Wednesday 2 March 2005 at 6:40:02 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I've disabled message splitting It must be disabled by default because I didn't even know it was there and it is off for all my accounts. (What does it have to do with Files directories? I would think it was a transport issue.) [...] the majority of other mail clients and mail users can't handle out there can't handle a splitted message. :-) Outlook Express manages it sometimes. At least, if the message came from another OE user. Don't know if it could do it with one from TB! as I couldn't persuade TB! to split one :-) -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005, @ @ at 15:06:24 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote: Mica Mijatovic wrote: I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is new to me. What that would mean? gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA key ID 1C9D5360 gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message gpg: BAD signature from [?] I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring? If that's not it, maybe someone on the list will know. I got your keys and it shows this: gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA key ID 1C9D5360 gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message gpg: BAD signature from David Calvarese And for this message of yours is same. I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 183 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCJk8H9q62QPd3XuIRAt9sAKCaqAEvkgrhmS4UEjX94jGTYoEPGQCfYBAX ioI3YBKEfe6imMw+QcP4gIs= =538k -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
Mica Mijatovic wrote: I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring? If that's not it, maybe someone on the list will know. I got your keys and it shows this: gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA key ID 1C9D5360 gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message gpg: BAD signature from David Calvarese And for this message of yours is same. I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not. I'm not sure either... They're showing good sigs on my end when I look in my sent items folder. Maybe because I'm using something other than SHA-1 as a digest... I'll do this one with SHA and see. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html (Updated) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Thursday 3 March 2005 at 12:25:18 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], David Calvarese wrote: I'm not sure either... They're showing good sigs on my end when I look in my sent items folder. Maybe because I'm using something other than SHA-1 as a digest... I'll do this one with SHA and see. I cannot verify Melissa's messages because I don't have the keys but the rest of this thread all check out OK here, using PGP8.1 - -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.1 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQCVAwUBQiZdsqipC46tDG5pAQGyfQP+IIj6MS4usVqRIecQhisb6++NxO2QuxHR YdxqoJA/CCEHvgIdT5SFUfxwMB02Yi6Wf1pJPHjLgUp9SsUh+bvRj/A1MHI+L9/e DAi0KI5AXwOs13QuNDwfk80Oo5GmlZVvbUeA6Je9XN8Tdt6DK5+TMqF+ElgXYGHo PEO0eBx/1uY= =Abef -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
Hi MFPA, On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 4:43:42 PM PST, you wrote: I cannot verify Melissa's messages because I don't have the keys Did you see the URL in my signature? :-) but the rest of this thread all check out OK here, using PGP8.1 By the way, the message of David's that Mica found to be Bad was Good here; using PGP 8.1 to verify. -- Melissa PGP public keys: http://www.kuviahunnihautik.tk/ TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpjgiDqiiN8R.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Thursday 3 March 2005 at 1:03:13 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Melissa Reese wrote: I cannot verify Melissa's messages because I don't have the keys Did you see the URL in my signature? :-) I forgot to look there. After PGP tried some keyservers and I looked through your message headers I gave up. Your messages all verify OK here as well, now ;-) - -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.1 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQCVAwUBQiZq16ipC46tDG5pAQFemgP/Q+K0k8/+7GnZE3RV8PtmIc1qUiOnj9+1 pnsTU6J7FfvFRGvjrhlllsdUC9rT1Udtp+eqRK+z3NJ+qF6wsLlBQQln1ge5kxyi scwbFmg4f5X+ApMpJrzUeQOkADLuAuDszOAAG31Mm6auQhQD0T0zF8QX1ObUOO9P zITTYvcDTm8= =ZSSq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?
Hello MFPA, On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:56:16 + GMT (03/03/2005, 04:56 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: M From my point of view, switching to the rich text viewer to M display certain message - against my wishes and contrary to the M options I have set to view all messages as plain text - is a bug. Fair point, but it really is a shortcoming of MicroEd, which cannot display UTF. So it's not really a TB bug. For the user that is transparent, but I understand the programmers too. For me it is an annoyance and not a bug, but I'm not religious about the terminology. I too would like to display UTF in the PTV. If you hand in a bugreport, I'll support it if you post the full URL here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Manche Leute haben einen geistigen Horizont mit Radius 0 und nennen das dann ihren Standpunkt. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?
Hi On Thursday 3 March 2005 at 1:56:17 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: it really is a shortcoming of MicroEd, which cannot display UTF. So it's not really a TB bug. Is MicroEd not part of TB!? For the user that is transparent, but I understand the programmers too. For me it is an annoyance and not a bug, but I'm not religious about the terminology. I too would like to display UTF in the PTV. Select Reply | View | Original Text and the original text window uses the PTV. (Perhaps depending on your settings) If you hand in a bugreport, I'll support it if you post the full URL here. You might wish to support this one I submitted previously:- https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067 -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
