Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Dear Ac, @24-Aug-2009, 21:11 -0700 (25-Aug 05:11 here) AC [A] in mid:t5o695t0hjcsj5ikdtgls8h3hbcv4h1...@4ax.com said: ... snip A All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press A the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why A the developers and users are opposed to this. There is a very simple explanation. In microed, you are editing plain text ready to send. That's what it does and what it was always designed to do. There is no character in the ASCII set used for microed that can be used as an 'un-wrappable end of line'. A CR/LF is at the end of every visible line. Only 2 in a row can denote an unwrappable line. In autoformat, it is 2 CR/LFs that show when to stop recalculating the position of the embedded CR/LFs within a paragraph. So AC, the opposition you encounter to this idea is not a pedantic or resistive one, but entirely a technical one. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.6 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpgy4i5jcKfd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Hi On Sunday 23 August 2009 at 5:22:42 PM, in mid:6688229.20090823172...@my_localhost, MFPA wrote: I shall compare my reply templates for PGPNET and TBUDL. My TBUDL template that was/is working begins with:- %replyto=%fromname %fromaddr%- %- %SingleRe%- %SetHeader(X-Face,%QInclude='X-Face')%- %SetHeader(X-Rogue,%QInclude='X-Rogue')%- %SetHeader(From,MFPA %QInclude='MFPA@')%- %SetHeader(To,%QInclude='Reply_to_list')%- %- Hi My PGPNET template that was notworking began with:- %replyto=%fromname %fromaddr%- %- %SetHeader(X-Face,%QInclude='X-Face')%- %SetHeader(X-Rogue,%QInclude='X-Rogue')%- %SetHeader(From,MFPA %QInclude='MFPA@')%- %SetHeader(To,%QInclude='Reply_to_list')%- %SingleRe%- %- Hi Placing the line %SingleRe%- before instead of after the %SetHeader lines fixed the issue in my PGPNET reply template. The %SingleRe is no longer ignored and the Hi is no longer swallowed. Moving the %SingleRe%- to after the %SetHeader lines replicated the issue in my TBUDL reply template. -- Best regards, MFPA Volvo, Video, Velcro. (I came, I saw, I stuck around.) Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
Hi On Monday 24 August 2009 at 1:59:06 PM, in mid:1610104548.20090824155...@gmail.com, Robert G. wrote: Is there a way to define a specific PGP key to be used for signining and/or encryption in the message template? As far as I know, TB! will use the from address of the message to select the key for signing and the to address to select the key to encrypt to. If you have more than one key in your keyring with an ID containing that email address, I'm told very early versions of TB! select the first key they find that matches the email address and later versions produce a dialog box for you to choose. -- Best regards MFPA The truth is rarely pure and never simple Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 3:41:44 PM, MFPA wrote: As far as I know, TB! will use the from address of the message to select the key for signing and the to address to select the key to encrypt to. In my situation, I have a key with a few UserIDs. And The Bat! probably only goes by the main UserID, ignoring the others. And I cannot get around it... :-( -- Best regards, Robert G. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Test for On--- On Sunday, August 23, 2009, at 12:17:12 PM, MFPA wrote: Placing the line %SingleRe%- before instead of after the %SetHeader lines fixed the issue in my PGPNET reply template. The %SingleRe is no longer ignored and the Hi is no longer swallowed. Moving the %SingleRe%- to after the %SetHeader lines replicated the issue in my TBUDL reply template. So the position of the %SingleRe%- line within the template IS critical to its operation. How do we go about reporting this as a replicable bug? More to the point, is it worthwhile doing so, since use of SingleRe is already deprecated? Would it be better to request addition of the checkbox for numbering to all of the Reply template dialogs? -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 2:02:28 PM, in mid:782572995.20090825160...@gmail.com, Robert wrote: In my situation, I have a key with a few UserIDs. And The Bat! probably only goes by the main UserID, ignoring the others. And I cannot get around it... :-( I just tried and TB! chose the key matching the from address to sign with. I only have the from address I was testing as a user ID on one pgp key. It is not the primary user ID on that key. -- Best regards MFPA Roses smell better than onions but don't make such good soup Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Some Macros don't work when followed by %- then a line break and some text (Was: The Bat and Mac computing)
Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 2:27:42 PM, in mid:1711693323.20090825082...@jimkyle.com, Jim Kyle wrote: So the position of the %SingleRe%- line within the template IS critical to its operation. Further investigation reveals an issue that affects a number of other macros in addition to %SingleRe. If one of the affected macros appears in the template followed /immediately/ (ie no space) by the %- macro and then on a new line by some text (not starting with a space) that should appear directly in the message body, the affected macro is not honoured and the first word of the text following the macro does not appear in the message. For example:- %SetHeader(Reply-to,%fromname %fromaddr)%- %Singlere%- This is my text The reply numbers Re[2]: etc appear. The message body contains is my text instead of This is my text If there is a space between the affected macro and the %- macro, this behaviour is not observed. If the text begins with a space, the behaviour is not observed and the space appears in the message. If the text is on the same line as the affected macro, after the %- macro, this behaviour is not observed. If the text is on the same line as the affected macro, without the %- macro, this behaviour is only observed if there is no space between the affected macro and the text. If the affected macro is not followed by %-, the behaviour is not observed but the message obviously contains an extra blank line. If there are multiple affected macros in a row, whether on the same line or not, the first word of the text is swallowed and all macros are actioned except the final one. Affected macros include:- Fromaddr Foldername SingleRe TEXT TOADDR WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME WINDOWSMINORVERSION WINDOWSMAJORVERSION WINDOWSCSDVERSION WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER The following show the behaviour of the first word of the text being swallowed but I did not test further to check whether or not they were actioned:- NOSPLIT nousepgp NOUSESMIME USEPGP USESMIME WRAPPED WRAPJUSTIFY Can anybody else replicate this? How do we go about reporting this as a replicable bug? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt More to the point, is it worthwhile doing so, since use of SingleRe is already deprecated? Not deprecated - just 'largely superseded by the option Use reply numbering in the subject line.' As the issue looks like it affects some other macros as well, it is definitely worthwhile. I was just seeing whether others can replicate first. (-; Would it be better to request addition of the checkbox for numbering to all of the Reply template dialogs? That wish could be requested separately - don't forget the sorting office templates for auto-replies as well as all the other places to set up reply templates. -- Best regards MFPA ETHERNET(n): device used to catch the Ether bunny Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:13:39 PM, MFPA wrote: I just tried and TB! chose the key matching the from address to sign with. I only have the from address I was testing as a user ID on one pgp key. It is not the primary user ID on that key. I tried to do the same with a several different email addresses in the From field, and all worked fine except one. The popup window requests my password for the email address rather than the PGP key. This is the message I get when trying to enter my password: gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available I am wondering whether TB! might be getting confused by the complex UserID: GSWoT:UA16 (www.gswot.org) golovn...@gswot.org? Can this be checked somehow? -- Best regards, Robert G. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, at 18:37:08 [GMT +0300] (which was 17:37 where I live) Robert wrote: I am wondering whether TB! might be getting confused by the complex UserID: GSWoT:UA16 (www.gswot.org) golovn...@gswot.org? Can this be checked somehow? Hi Robert, I remember from years ago that I got the similar error message. What is it precisely what you are trying to do? Maybe there is a conflict between an email address and the string of the email address? As far as I can see you are using GPG? Have you set a default key in gpg.conf? -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn _ The Bat! Natural Email System 4.2.10.6 on Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium Versie 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Build 6001 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz, 2333 MHz AntispamSniper for The Bat! Pro 3.2.1.1 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Mon, 2009-08-24, AC wrote: All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why the developers and users are opposed to this. I think that you need to understand the architecture of the MicroEd to see that this is asking for two conflicting things that would make major changes to the basic concepts of MicroEd. First, the concept of a paragraph in MicroEd is a block of text separated from the preceeding and following text by at least one blank line. Second, Alt-L says reformat the paragraph containing the cursor. To do this, MicroEd finds the preceeding and following blank lines to determine the paragraph. It then reformats that paragraph (left justified). Third, setting automatic wrapping essentially means do an Alt-L after each keystroke. Notice that a single Enter keystroke does not create a blank line and the implied Alt-L effectively sucks the contents of the supposed new line of text into the text above, since MicroEd doesn't find a blank line to end the current paragraph. I personally suspect that this exact problem may be what caused the developers to throw up their hands at some point in the past and decide that just doing a Windows style editor was the way to solve the problem for people that wanted what you're asking for. (I could be wrong!) BTW, my Windows editor seems to color quoted text appropriately. -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:37:03 PM, Henk wrote: What is it precisely what you are trying to do? Hi, Henk! I am trying to set a template in TB! to be used when composing messages to the GSWoT list. In the From field I want to use my gswot address. Everything works basically OK, except that TB! cannot figure out it should use my default key having the GSWoT UserID to sign those messages. I tried to write and rewrite that address, but to no avail. It works fine with all other UserID's, though. When I put an older email address in the From field, TB! flawlessly picks up one of my disabled keys to do the signing. So, I guess, it gets confused by the format of my GSWoT UserID. -- Best regards, Robert G. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Robert, on Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:00:24 +0300GMT (25.08.2009, 19:00 +0200GMT here), you wrote: R ... TB! cannot figure out it should use my default key having the R GSWoT UserID to sign those messages. I tried to write and rewrite R that address, but to no avail. It works fine with all other R UserID's, though. When I put an older email address in the From R field, TB! flawlessly picks up one of my disabled keys to do the R signing. So, I guess, it gets confused by the format of my GSWoT R UserID. I'm glad you brought this one up, Robert. I have been observing this failure here for several years. I have 11 user IDs on my key, but The Bat! will only allow for two to be used. For all others (including this list address) I get the error message you quoted. Since then I use GPGshell when I need GPG with one of those, because at that time no one on TBUDL or TBBeta had an answer. But now that we are three people having encountered this behaviour, we perhaps can find out what causes this. - -- Cheers Peter The only person getting his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.70 Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkqUH4YACgkQAzZSBuEHdM5mLwCglVNWlqY0PfVp6GdAaoNZV/4U XDwAniXKrhuYS2lAtI+IS0A5nHbvC9h1 =InGt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 4:37:08 PM, in mid:34898027.20090825183...@gmail.com, Robert wrote: I tried to do the same with a several different email addresses in the From field, and all worked fine except one. The popup window requests my password for the email address rather than the PGP key. Yes, TB! matches the pgp key on email address only. If it finds a key with a user ID matching that email address then that dialog box requests the passphrase for the key ID. If it fails to find a match, the dialog box asks for a passphrase for the email address. I don't know why it does this or what it wants you to enter. This is the message I get when trying to enter my password: gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available That happens here when TB! has not found a match and has asked me to enter a passphrase for an email address. I am wondering whether TB! might be getting confused by the complex UserID: GSWoT:UA16 (www.gswot.org) golovn...@gswot.org? Can this be checked somehow? Possibly (-; Can this be checked somehow? You could create a user ID that was less complex. For TB!'s purposes it would just need the email address and you do not have to make it the primary ID. - -- Best regards MFPA You're only young once; you can be immature forever Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCVAwUBSpQed6ipC46tDG5pAQg+LAP/U2HD0KHrSBFgxYZRn2kSJof2KePCKo2L 13+1G4QMVFFwFwUJIbfFF0iuI1Zc1PrueLMJaOZSVMdILy+SD3uSFiY5/adbDNIF Q0oWf3fnFs50Oqy4MX1QdqPovnGjMtK7WLqXYv1dKpEQfhL/WzH76/2hyMZ4Il5Q BsA7JGCVoRQ= =nSAc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 4:37:08 PM, in mid:34898027.20090825183...@gmail.com, Robert wrote: I am wondering whether TB! might be getting confused by the complex UserID: GSWoT:UA16 (www.gswot.org) golovn...@gswot.org? Can this be checked somehow? What are you putting in the from line? I just created a test key with a secondary user ID of GSWoT:UA16 (www.gswot.invalid) golovn...@gswot.invalid and then composed a message with golovn...@gswot.invalid on the from line. When I put the message in the outbox a dialog box asked me for the passphrase for the Key ID of that test key. -- Best regards MFPA The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Hello Jim, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, at 8:27:42 PM, Jim Kyle wrote: . JK So the position of the %SingleRe%- line within the template IS critical JK to its operation. How do we go about reporting this as a replicable bug? JK More to the point, is it worthwhile doing so, since use of SingleRe is JK already deprecated? Would it be better to request addition of the checkbox JK for numbering to all of the Reply template dialogs? Thats probably the best solution... -- tracer Using The Bat! v4.2.9.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with AntiSpamSniper Version Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 6:52:21 PM, in mid:1196792640.20090826005...@gmail.com, tracer wrote: Thats probably the best solution... Except that the same problem afflicts several other macros. -- Best regards MFPA Life is a holiday. In the same way that glass is a liquid Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
Hi Robert, on Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:02:28 +0300GMT (25.08.2009, 15:02 +0200GMT here), you wrote: R In my situation, I have a key with a few UserIDs. And The Bat! R probably only goes by the main UserID, ignoring the others. And I R cannot get around it... :-( Thank you for reminding me of this. I have re-opened the issue from 2005 on BT: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4171 -- Cheers Peter Reality is nothing but a collective hunch. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some Macros don't work when followed by %- then a line break and some text (Was: The Bat and Mac computing)
Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 4:25:25 PM, in mid:1994607676.20090825162...@my_localhost, I wrote: Further investigation reveals an issue that affects a number of other macros in addition to %SingleRe. Now reported at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7699 -- Best regards MFPA Ultimate consistency lies in being consistently inconsistent Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
Hi On Tuesday 25 August 2009 at 6:46:19 PM, in mid:1048545697.20090825184...@my_localhost, I wrote: What are you putting in the from line? Further testing shows the from line to not necessarily be relevant. If you over-write the address in the from line, TB! seems happy to look for a key matching the address you have written. If you then change the active account for the message and over-write the from address again, TB! will not match on the address in the from field but on the address in the reply-to field. This will (at this point) not match the address in the from field but will be as set in the account properties. I cannot find a way to make the Reply-To field appear at the top of a message editor window for editing. GSWoT:UA16 In the To or From field, everything from the start of the user name up to and including the colon will be removed. This will make no difference to TB!'s matching as it is not part of the address. -- Best regards MFPA During an eruption - move away from the volcano - not towards it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, at 20:00:24 [GMT +0300] (which was 19:00 where I live) Robert wrote: I am trying to set a template in TB! to be used when composing messages to the GSWoT list. In the From field I want to use my gswot address. Everything works basically OK, except that TB! cannot figure out it should use my default key having the GSWoT UserID to sign those messages. I tried to write and rewrite that address, but to no avail. It works fine with all other UserID's, though. When I put an older email address in the From field, TB! flawlessly picks up one of my disabled keys to do the signing. So, I guess, it gets confused by the format of my GSWoT UserID. After having read Peter's reply, you could try to put your GSWoT UserID to the front of your keyring (primary or second). To see if that is a workaround? -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn _ The Bat! Natural Email System 4.2.10.6 on Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium Versie 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Build 6001 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz, 2333 MHz AntispamSniper for The Bat! Pro 3.2.1.1 pgpXnlg61VIEG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Defining PGP key in template
On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:46:19 PM, MFPA wrote: MFPA What are you putting in the from line? I tried various options: just the plain email address, using name with the email address or simply copying the whole UserID. Nothing helped. MFPA I just created a test key with a secondary user ID of MFPA GSWoT:UA16 (www.gswot.invalid) golovn...@gswot.invalid and then MFPA composed a message with golovn...@gswot.invalid on the from line. MFPA When I put the message in the outbox a dialog box asked me for the MFPA passphrase for the Key ID of that test key. I did some testing too. Created a test key. Tried to sign with it. Worked. Added another ID with a different email address. Tried to sign. Worked with both addresses. Added and tested a few more addresses. At one point got the same error as before: TB! would ask for passphrase for the email address rather than the key and then said that the secret key was not found. I then tried to play with the primary UID for the key: changing them one after another. Finally, the problem was fixed and I was able to have TB! work well with all these UIDs, including the one that had problems before. However, when I tried to do something similar on my default key (adding another UID, playing with the primary UID and then finally deleting the test UID), at no point it fixed my problem. So, go figure... I guess, the best thing to fix this would be just to add a macro to TB! allowing you to manually choose the KeyID to be used for signing. -- Best regards, Robert G. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
