Window Focus Bug (Long, ATTN: Ritlabs, Thomas Fernandez, PowerPro users)
Hello there, On 29/9/07 I sent an e-mail to this list titled weird focus issue. This issue first appeared for me in TB 3.99.24 and made me roll back. Back then, I got a confirmation from Thomas Fernandez that this issue is experienced by some users and gave me some guidelines which do not seem to work for me. I decided to test the new 4.0.x version hoping that this has been fixed. Unfortunately it hasn't, although I now seem to have more data about the problem and I hope someone can fix it because it really makes the program unusable for me (I'll probably need to roll back again). First of all, what I notice in some systems is that when we place the mouse over the minimize/maximize/close buttons of TB's main window, the buttons get highlighted only for a split second. This is not standard window behavior (it should remain highlighted as long as the mouse is over it). I don't know if this is somehow related to the problem. The problem's description is as follows. I click on the tray icon to activate the main window. However, the window of TB! acts like if it is inactive (grayed out like when you bring a window on top of it). Clicking on it doesn't solve anything, the window stays inactive. No mouse clicks allowed inside it. It cannot be closed, minimized or resized and the only choice I have is to close TB! from its tray icon. Now, the clue is that so far this behavior occurs only when I try to activate TB! from a PowerPro tray icon. I did an install in a clean system and successfully replicated the issue. I give you the exact guidelines. - Setup a Windows XP machine with SP2 - Install TB! - in TB, in Options - Preferences - General check the following options: Always show icon in the System Tray Minimise to the System Tray Minimise on Pressing 'Close Button - go to http://www.ppro.org/ and download PowerPro - Install PowerPro - Run pproconf, go to Setup tab, and click button install tray support - Restart computer - Run pproconf, go to command lists tab, click new list button - Give a list name and tick the Show this list as bar when powerpro starts checkbox - Press the Properties button. You can change the position of the bar in the Position field to suit your preference. - Go to active buttons tab and add 10 to the show up to this number of buttons... field - Uncheck Show buttons for active windows - Check show buttons for tray icons - Press OK and OK to exit Now you should have a bar which shows exactly what the system tray does. Just use that bar instead of the system tray to reproduce the issue (close TB! and try to restore it from there). With that said, I don't consider this as a PowerPro problem because TB is the only program that demonstrates that behavior. As I understand, there are some people experiencing this thing randomly. Do you perhaps use PowerPro or some other launcher? Perhaps a system tray replacement? Anything else that has to do with the system tray or window manipulation? Macro programs? In order to get rid of this, I am willing to help the developers test if they want to send me test builds of the program. If I must report this issue to the bug tracker, please tell me where I find it. -- Best Regards, Alex Cicovic Using The Bat! 4.0.14 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Window Focus Bug (Long, ATTN: Ritlabs, Thomas Fernandez, PowerPro users)
Hello there, Wednesday, February 13, 2008, 6:17:53 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF I believe this refers to TF http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3357 I skimmed through this and think I should probably file another report. I have no dial up and what happens isn't connected to receiving mail or the connection center. Though they seem to have the same effect... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic http://www.alexcicovic.com/ Using The Bat! 4.0.14 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.24 - Weird focus issue
Hello there, Saturday, September 22, 2007, 12:10:33 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Instead of closing from there, click once on the inactive TB! window TF (so that Windows knows which program you mean) and hit crtl-F4 once. TF Let us know whether TB! suddenly becomes focussed. Thomas, Unfortunately when I received your message I had already downgraded. Before downgrading I performed a clean install of 3.99.24 (which demonstrated the defective behavior immediately, thus the downgrade). If I reupgrade at some point, I will follow your guidelines. TF On occasions, what you describe happens over here too (single TF monitor), but only upon startup. I'm using 3.99.3 but it has happened TF for several versions. Only very few people can confirm it. For me, downgrading to 3.99.3 seems to solve the problem completely. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
3.99.24 - Downgrading to 3.99.3
Hello there, Has anyone downgraded successfully from 3.99.24 to 3.99.3? Any known problems or extra precautions I should take? (besides data backup) -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic http://www.alexcicovic.com/ Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.24 - Weird focus issue
Hello there, Friday, September 21, 2007, 10:23:47 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote: MG I have a dual-display and sue Ultramon but cannot say I've experienced MG behaviour that sounds like that. Thanks Marten. I've been trying to nail what causes this but to no avail. Some times, The Bat! exhibits that behavior even in the first second of startup. Since its the only application that behaves that way, I'll probably downgrade because it is becoming increasingly difficult and annoying to do my job. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
3.99.24 - Weird focus issue
Hi there, From the day I upgraded to 3.99.24 I get a strange issue (happens several times a day). Suddenly the window of The Bat! acts like if it is inactive (like when you bring a window on top of it). Clicking on it doesn't solve anything, the window wants to be inactive and that's it. No mouse clicks allowed inside it. It cannot be closed, minimized or moved and the only choice I have is to close The Bat! from its tray icon. I have not found any consistent way to replicate the issue (perhaps because it hasn't driven me nuts - yet). This is purely a window behavior because The Bat! isn't really frozen (it responds and closes normally from the tray icon). I will keep this thread updated if I have any new details. I suspect it could be related to the dual display update thingy. For example, does the program use any weird window hooks that could interfere with utilities like UltraMon? For the record, I do have dual display but I never use The Bat! that way and this has happened even when the second display was completely off. Is this something anyone else has experienced? -- Best Regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread stealing (attempt to address the issues)
Hello there, Monday, November 18, 2002, 1:49:46 AM, Melissa Reese wrote: MR Thanks Allie! I'm going to give PowerPro a try. FYI, because PowerPro is really difficult for many people in the start (even for very experienced users), there is a PowerPro Yahoo group where you can ask questions in case you're interested. For more info you can go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/power-pro/ -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello there, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 4:04:53 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP ... AV software spotting a viral infection in a file with a MDP non-executable extension. This is not a risk to anyone - MDP professional or not. ... Before this becomes a dead horse I just wanted to make a side note, since there is always an exception to the rule. Some days ago, someone brought me a supposedly infected laptop. I first scanned all executable files (.exe, .bat etc) and indeed found the bugbear virus. Then I scanned all files, and discovered that bugbear had also infected the system's cpy files which are files used from the system recovery tool for recovery purposes. If an unknowledgeable user had restored a system configuration using the infected cpy files, the laptop would get infected once again. All this means that infected files, even if not executable, can be a potential danger in some cases. Maybe not for you, me, or anybody else in this list, but surely for an unknowledgeable user. Just for the story, I had to disable system recovery in order to be able to delete the files... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello there, Sunday, November 10, 2002, 9:55:23 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: AC ... If an unknowledgeable user had restored a system AC configuration using the infected cpy files, the laptop would AC get infected once again. MDP At this time the AV software has previously failed and missed MDP the infection's arrival in an *executable* form. MDP As long as the AV software stops you getting infected, then you're MDP not at risk. That's how I see it. In the specific case, there was no antivirus software at all. If I hadn't cleaned the cpy files and I removed the antivirus right now, the system would get infected once again if the user used Windows recovery. Keep in mind that I am talking about unknowledgeable users, who can potentially do whatever comes to their minds, without a lot of thinking. This would effectively infect the system again by using a file which is non-executable. That is my point. MDP So, my point still stands. It's a pointless evaluation of the MDP effectiveness of the software to ascertain whether it checks MDP non-executables by default. To say that the AV software MDP fails and should not even be considered is not reasonable. I am not trying to tear your point down and got no reason to do this. Your point about the false conduction of the tests is 100% correct and I couldn't agree more on the specific subject. I only wanted to comment on the infected non-executable files are not a threat part which is just not 100% correct under some very specific circumstances. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup without Maintenance Center
Hello there, I want to automate the process of backing up The Bat!'s mail and settings. Will backing up the MAIL folder be enough? (maybe I need the address book in The Bat!'s directory or something else?) Also, I must mention that I plan to automatically copy the folder/files on a regular basis, not use the maintenance center since as far as I know there is no automatic way to run it and make it backup files, except if I set up myself a macro/script that will do that. How does this whole approach sound to you? Will I be able to recover The Bat!'s setting and mail without problems in case of a catastrophic event by copying the backed-up files in its directory? Thanks... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup without Maintenance Center
Hello there, Monday, October 14, 2002, 3:13:02 PM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU I keep my Mail directory in a different disk (i.e. F:\TB\Mail) and MAU everything needed to recover seems to be there. I use Second Copy 2000 MAU (http://www.centered.com/) to back up every night and, just with that, MAU I have been able to recover a couple of times. That's very positive :) My aim is to backup the following, which should be included in the mail folder: messages/folders quick templates rules address book The Bat!'s options/settings are probably located in the registry. I do not plan to back them up. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup without Maintenance Center
Hello there, Monday, October 14, 2002, 5:30:20 PM, Thomas F. wrote: AC The Bat!'s options/settings are probably located in the registry. AC I do not plan to back them up. TF And why not? It's more a kind of habit. For some reason, I do not like backing up and restoring registry keys. I prefer to make the settings manually from scratch. That way, I also have a second chance to look at all of them and possibly make some changes. Of course, it is not time effective, but that's the way I do it. :) -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: button?
Hello there, Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 11:15:55 AM, Daniel Jagszent wrote: DJ removes the addresses of the *current* tab (e.g. the To tab) and DJ removes the addresses of all tabs (To, CC, BCC) Ah, thank you, that makes sense... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
button?
Hello there, when pressing redirect, create message for etc under the Actions tab in the sorting office, a dialog where you choose the addresses appear. I am unable to understand the button's function. I've looked into the help file, but no luck so far. Any clues please? I'm probably too tired to make my brain work efficiently... Thanks... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox: The Bat! won't read messages.tbb
Hello Alexander, Saturday, October 5, 2002, 12:41:39 PM, you wrote: AAG Something bad happned, so that The Bat dont' want to show messages AAG (except parked) in Inbox folder Go to View, Display, and select All messages. If this isn't the problem, then I don't know what could be wrong. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can only connect when The Bat starts.
Hello there, Sunday, October 6, 2002, 1:22:00 AM, Richard Wakeford wrote: RW When I open The Bat my mail is sent and downloaded perfectly and, RW thereafter, nothing happens apart from could not connect to the server RW messages. Are you running ZoneAlarm by any chance? If yes, it is probably the culprit. To fix this, add your pop server's IP in ZoneAlarm's local zone and all should be fine. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Hello there, Thursday, October 3, 2002, 7:14:13 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Do you mean that AVG automates the response JRthere is no user option to turn this JR on/off? [Sorry, I don't use AVG] The AVG plugin automates the response, and there is a user option to turn this on/off. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Hello there, Thursday, October 3, 2002, 7:46:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wcn Where can I disable this response? First, run The Bat! Then go to Options, virus protection. Select the AVG Plugin. Untick the Send notification to the sender option. That should do it. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartBat maintenance
Hello there, While we are at it, what purpose was SmartBat designed for? I can't see anything mentioned in the documentation... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
