Re[4]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-13 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello,

Claudius I don't think any other expression is more exact -- is simply fascistic.

I want to apologize for saying that.

Nevertheless, the last two reactions were very dissapointing. And it's
not forgot with one mail.

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Alexander,

 I'd rather have spell checking than IMAP. I'd rather have html-viewing
 than IMAP.

AVK That's only you, please speak for *yourself* only;-)

Alex, do you read what you quote?? ;) "I'd"
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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

SL Sure it does.  Let's take, for example, non-conformity to the CUA
SL standard.  Open up TB, pick a folder with  10 messages in it.  Now, on the list
SL view do this.  Select message #1.  Hold shift and select message #3.  Now,
SL press control and select message #6.  Now, still holding control, hold also
SL shift and select message #10.  The end result should be messages #1-#3, #6-#10
SL selected.  TB!, however, deselects #1-#3 when you do the second shift and you
SL only get #6-#10.  It does not recognize the CNTL-SHIFT behavior.

So what? You'd change this, RITLABS doesn't, maybe it is easy to
change, but is it really important? There are 10E+10 things that are
more important than opening 10 mails simultaneously!! Standards are
important, but if specification XY is not sooo needed, I'd skip it,
too, until I find the time.

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

SL No, they do not.  Do you really want me to get into my rant about how
SL email clients are a shadow of what they could be based on my experience with
SL past software on older hardware?

They serve well for people receiving/sending less than 10 emails/day
and that is why they are email clients that cover the basics.

 I'd rather have spell checking than IMAP. I'd rather have html-viewing
 than IMAP.
SL Neither have anything to do with the core of an email client and can be
SL provided with other applications.

Right! This is all optional. I wanted to make clear, that spell
checking to me - personally - is more important than IMAP. You said
IMAP was core. You both say that you want the core of the mailer
should be worked on first; my point is that I consider different
things to be basics of an email client and on that should be worked,
too.

Again:
SL and can be provided with other applications.

You want me to spell check or read html-mails with other applications?
That's why I use TheBat!
I want to have IMAP implemented best as it can be - as a lot of other
features Stefan described. And not just IMAP.

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

SL No.  The standard convention is to have quotes preceded with the  symbol.

There are different ways to communicate, to write emails, to quote. I
quote the way I want to. I exchange emails with enough people from
enough countries with enough experience that I decide how to quote in
what situation. If you can't cope with my quoting, don't read it. I am
open to new ideas from other people, you obviously need your standard.
If there would be a rule for jumping off a brindge, you probably
would use it.

SL It has been that way for almost as long as I can remember.

'it has always been that way - and this is the way it should be! Our
grand-grand-grand father did it that way. Change is bad.'

SL So let's just say for well over a decade and a half that is how things are done in 
this
SL medium.

This is how you do it. 'Change is bad. I'm not that flexible'.

SL Because the standard convention in the printed medium when quoting someone is 
radically different
SL than here.

Steve, what are you talking about? What convention? I can't believe
this. 'Change is bad!'

 The idea of exchanging news, opinions or help is similar. I read mails from
 other people, I read my paper mail, postcards, I answer email, paper mail,
 postcards and even news from news.xxx.yyy .
SL And, your point?  None of that refutes my statement that the way that they
SL are traditionally dealt with are radically different.

'Traditionally'?? 'Change is bad!'

 Right! He answered to 'the ideology' with technical aspects, because
 there are no visual (or 'ideology') differences!
SL Uh, yes, there are.  Scoring, for one.

Where?

SL You didn't make that clear.  I read it that you was saying that TB! was A+
SL software engineering.  I do not consider it so given that it doesn't even
SL conform to the standard CUA keys for marking items in a list context.

Standard? CUA? Tradition? Is this the reason why you don't want new
features in TheBat! ? You are everywhere talking about conventions,
standards. It sounds to me that your 'decade and a half' in this
'culture' have made you inflexible. I help dozens of people from each
age to start working with their computer, the internet, email, ftp and
so on. It sometimes is hard to convince them to use and respect some
conventions that make internet easier, but standards and conventions
is not all there is in live. That black/white glasses is not good!

Your 'standard'-mail really made me look astonished.

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve Lamb,

with the email you dare to post here you show your shortcomings. You
are just getting really angry and aggressive; the lack of arguments or
your bad mood is not a reason to become personal insulting in a public
mailing list. With all your net-"culture" you are
breaking netiquette and your "standards" let you forget the primary
rules of social communication. Unfortunately, -- or should I say
fortunately? -- this discussion is at its end. And this because I
quoted in 1 out of 99 cases a different way than "" and your dozen
rules.
I was trying to show you that there are different opinions about what
people consider to be the core of an email client, that some people
see some common points in the usage of news and emails, that sometimes
one can learn from people's opinions that usually do not work with the
internet. If you read all my mails, you should know that I never said
"I need html-writing here and now, I need a newsreader here and now, I
need a spell checker here and now...". YOU sound like your position is
the only possible, technically, ideologically correct position. And
not just your opinion.

YOU are not the online community.
YOU are the only one that has problems with that one single mail.

SL Because the standard convention in the printed medium when quoting someone is 
radically different
SL than here.

There is NO convention in printed media.

SL The convention of the culture that you have entered.  I cannot believe I
SL still have to argue over this with every newbie that comes into a new culture!

I am the newbie that 'entered the culture'? Watch your mouth, Steve
Lamb.

SL You don't know how sad that makes me considering your utter lack of
SL respect for the culture, its conventions and standards.
SL Good.  Hopefully you'll straighten up your act.

My utter lack of respect for the culture? Straighten up my act? Steve
Lamb, is it time to leave this mailing list??? Do you have any respect
for other people in you? Respect for my culture?

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello,

SL Doesn't do multiple accounts nor does it have a decent overview of what is
SL in even a single account.  Try again.

Outlook would do. Either way, TheBat! is not *just* for fetch/send/store/search mail.

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Re[3]: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello,

ST   Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation. I wonder why we did
ST   not implement this thing before :-)  This thing must be very useful
ST   for mailing list as well...

And I see our new feature rising at the horizon...

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

SL "optional" items to make it comparable to Bat v1.x?  You are aware that by
SL virtualizing everything in the manner they have described they are adding in
SL several layers of complexity?  Each layer has its own potential for bugs.

Then your conclusion will be: do not try to make complex software.
Doesn't work for me.

SL not directly related to the main task at hand, *reading email*.  They are
SL doing this without that core application's full potential even being
SL completely realized.

If you just want to *read mail* you can use Outlook...

SL I'd rather you learned how to quote properly first.  This is a killer for
SL me to read in any intelligible fashion.

A good start for any serious discussion, he?
Steve Lamb, I'd rather you had learned how to choose your words
properly; please do not tell me that "I have to learn how to
quote properly" that way, this is ridiculous.
Are you underlining quotes in your newspaper with blue? I chose to
quote that way, alright? Most of the quotes where so short, that I
rather included them in my discussion, O.K.? Secondly, I wanted to make clear to 
everybody who I quoted.
Sorry if this one time didn't fit your aesthetic feeling or the processing of chunks.

SL The programmers of RITLABS only have so much time on their hands.  It
SL is finite.  They do not live in a warp bubble where one day for them equals a
SL month for us.

Thank you for pointing that out.

SL   Time they spend coding other projects means they aren't coding
SL *this* one.

Let me guess: you then make the line in the relation between number of
projects and quality? It doesn't always have to be an exactly negative
linear relation, IMHO. BTW, it was not to be taken so seriously, and I
think this was clear.

SL "You can have fast service, you can
SL have quality service and you can have cheap service.  Pick two."

Well, I'll take 'quality' and 'fast service'! Or 'Quality' and 'cheap' would be
ok, too. Maybe RITLABS at least chooses 'quality'.

 ideology: news and mails are "somewhat the same".
SL They are not.

The idea of exchanging news, opinions or help is similar. I read
mails from other people, I read my paper mail, postcards, I answer
email, paper mail, postcards and even news from news.xxx.yyy .

SL And that is my problem.  *IF* that is the case then it is another company
SL that is drooling over the numbers of the "newbie" market and forgetting that

As exclusively for newbie market, you are right, here, but sometimes
newbies or 'outsiders' to speak generally, are able to bring in new
views or ideas that an involved person wouldn't have come up with.

 What I think when I read George's comment "Newsreading is a VERY
 VERY different [...]
SL He never said the reading was the same, he was talking just the technical
SL level.

Right! He answered to 'the ideology' with technical aspects, because
there are no visual (or 'ideology') differences!

 This is A+ software engineering! We're trying to model communication
 here!!
SL A+?  No.  Good, yes.  Great, no.

I don't understand you. I wrote that it is A+ software engineering to
think about the similarity of news and mails regarding the purpose of
exchanging information, with the same properties, and you say 'good'.
Ok, B+, then, but I thought you were opposed to that opinion. BTW, I
never said that I'd like to have an integrated newsreader, but I can
understand why RITLABS is thinking about realizing it and I wouldn't
_hate_ this option.
To further explain my point of view: if some friends of mine want to
discuss this or that topic with equal minded people in the net, they
wouldn't care if by mail or news!

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello George,

GMM It doesn't go this way my friend.
GMM A  mail  reader  is  made  for  one job. To read mail. As much as your
GMM coffee machine is made to make coffee.
GMM All  i  want  is  to read mail.

First: in *your opinion* "it doesn't go this way", my friend.
Obviously you consider a lot of features belonging to '*reading mail*'
- and not just reading mail, that's why you use TheBat! You think this
or that is essential 'mail reading', other people draw the line
somewhere else. So be careful using 'read mail' when you don't mean
Outlook...
I want my coffee machine to make coffe. But since I do not regard drip
'coffee' to be coffee, I want my espresso machine to mill beans, heat
water, generate pressure, cream milk and finally press the water
through the coffee - And all I want my coffee machine to do is:
COFFEE!

GMM If  I  may, I don't think that Steve disagrees. Neither do I. The idea
GMM is  the  excanging  of  information  but the implementation of news is
GMM vastly different from the implementation of mail.
GMM In few words, the idea is the same, the way to do it is very different

That's what I think! I never doubted the technical difference.

 What  I  think when I read George's comment "Newsreading is a VERY
 VERY different [...]
SL He  never  said the reading was the same, he was talking just the
SL technical level.

 Right! He answered to 'the ideology' with technical aspects, because
 there are no visual (or 'ideology') differences!

GMM See above.

See above.

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello George,

GMM Let's draw a line.
GMM In order to read mail you should

I did not mean hairsplitting. You do.

GMM So mail reading means at least you should have a way to
GMM fetch/read/write/send/organize/search mail.
GMM All the other things are optional.

So by that rationality 95% of TheBat! functions are by now optional.

GMM If your coffee machine blew out at random times you would have rather
GMM different opinion.

It does not, neither does TheBat!

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

SL clients have a rotten core.  Sure, they look pretty, but bite into it, really
SL sink your teeth into it and you find it is sour inside with no substance.

I don't think so. Almost all mail clients do perfectly offer all the
options you described -- and George described to be besic features.

SL TB! is good in some areas (database management) than other clients and
SL worse in other areas (IMAP).

I'd rather have spell checking than IMAP. I'd rather have html-viewing
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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

 Either way, TheBat! is not *just* for
 fetch/send/store/search mail.

SL No, and that is the problem.  An email client should be just for that.
SL Outlook would not do because it is not an email client by any stretch of the
SL imagination.

Hahaha, Steve -- thank you for your serious argumentation...
I don't want an email client just for that. BTW, TheBat! handles all
this and it should go or a lot more.

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Re[2]: POP before SMTP problem

2000-01-10 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Jast,

J  Get an account at a free POP-mail service that also offers SMTP

It's the POP of my very own domain, so this is not an option. Thanks
for your help, though.

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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello George,

GMM The   only   thing   I   want   from   my   mailer   to   do   is  to
GMM fetch/send/store/search mail.

There'S a pretty nifty onehm, well, I think it was called PINE ;)
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Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Steve,

SL And Opera sails above its competition.  I don't want to see RITLABS spend
SL time competing with Opera Software when they still have a LOT of work to do on
SL TB!.  I don't want to see Opera Software compete with RITLABS, either.

RITLABS software IMHO is evolving and accepting new ideas -- Opera
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POP before SMTP problem

2000-01-09 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello TBUsers,

  for one mail account I use POP before SMTP. In about 95% TheBat!
  handles this as well as it should.
  Once in a while unfortunately I get (retranslated...)
  'SEND - send mail(s) - 1 mail in queue
   SEND - connected with SMTP server
   SEND - sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   SEND - last mail address was [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   SEND - mail was not sent. Server reply - [EMAIL PROTECTED]...Relaying
  Denied: Authenticate with POP first.'

   Any ideas?

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Re[3]: Digest (01/05/2000 12:18) Special Issue (#2000-171)

2000-01-05 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Carsten,

CD I seem to remember a test the German c't (computer magazine) made here
CD a few months ago. In that (if I remember correctly) they reported some
CD difficulties   with   IMAP4  and the then-current version of TB!.

And here we go (translation mode: quick'n'dirty...)
"'The Bat! 1.22'
 The IMAP-implementation is a joke. As for a POP account The Bat!
 downloads all mails on the hard drive and deletes them from the
 server. That has nothing to do with server-based administration."

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Re[3]: OT Maillita problems

2000-01-02 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello tracer,

t not quite, the better ones though are commercial software.  And the
t very best are quite large and will show you anything going out/in,

Sorry, - you are right, of course. I was thinking of free- or shareware, since
professional network monitoring didn't seem to be the answer for
Albertos question ;) -- but I forgot to mention that.

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Re: OT Maillita problems

1999-12-31 Thread Claudius Regn

Ciao Alberto,

AA Second problem: how's 'bout security? How can I be sure that this
AA program will not send a copy of my email, or even my ip address, or
AA other persona data to someone else?
AA Thank for your answer and happy y2k

You can monitor your on-line traffic with a packet sniffer and have a
look at the packages sent and the target IPs while sending a mail thru maillita .

While most excellent tools are for Linux/Unix, there are only a few
for Win/DOS-system. Unfortunately, the ones that _are_ for
Win/DOS-systems are usually for command line DOS.
There's one with a nice GUI: SpyNet Capture95, contact is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/Laurentiu2 .

AFAI can see maillita is clean.

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Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

1999-11-23 Thread Claudius Regn

Hi,

SL 2: The PGP interface should not use the default key.  Instead TB! should keep
SL separate KeyIDs for each account and request that KeyID.  This is because some
SL people *cough, myself, cough* have more than one key and use different keys
SL for different accounts.

OS I  second  that.

And this should be an option, too - I really do not want to
enter or choose the KeyID each time I encrypt.
Default key for each account would be fine.

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Re[2]: check mail for all not working?

1999-11-03 Thread Claudius Regn

Hi,

 this option is unchecked in all accounts. as i just realize, the
 bat doesn't check just 4 of 8 accounts, it checks sometimes 4,
 sometimes 1, sometimes 3 acccounts with out a system...

 Using  "check  all  Alt-F2"  in  the  drop  down from the blue "check
 emails" button checks all 5 accounts here.
 Using  just  the  blue  "check  emails"  button checks only the first
 account here and the keys alt+f2 checks all 5 again.
 
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multiple EMail addresses / address book / favourite

1999-10-27 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello TBUsers,

  it  is  possible  to  enter  more  than  one  email addresses in the
  properties  of an address book entry. If I create a new mail using a
  recipient from the arrow/drop down menu (favourites) next to the new
  mail  button, the first email address will be in the "to" field, but
  the  second  in  the  "CC"  field. Selecting a recipient through the
  address  book symbol in the "to" field, only the first email address
  will be used (no CC).
  I'd  like to store multiple email addresses but I don't want them to
  show  up in "CC:" (using the favourites menu) - I just need to store
  them _somewhere_ for special occasions.

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Re: problems with messages PGP signed by me

1999-10-23 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello Pat,

PE When I send a message to myself and sign the WHOLE message with PGP
PE and check the received message i get a "not valid".
PE If I do the same with just a BLOCK - everything is fine.
PE I suspect that the bat is changing the message when it sends it

Nope - sorry, can't confirm this. Everything shows up fine, here.

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Re[2]: Site with links

1999-10-19 Thread Claudius Regn

Hello TBUsers,

WK see my TB links on
WK http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/pcsoftsp.htm#table6

If you want your "TheBat!" to squeak and flapp its wings at the
arrival of new mail there's a link on the site abouve to a wav-file.
AFAIK the link to bat.wav on this site leads to an almost _empty_
site, but I found one (the same?) at
http://voyager.cns.ohiou.edu/~mcorbin/sounds/sounds.html.

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Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work

1999-10-15 Thread Claudius Regn

Hi TBUsers,

 The version number is hardcoded into the plugin (batpgp65.dll).
 Ah...So it's just a typo?
CG No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the
CG international version of PGP...

Mmmh. So since I removed any batpgp*.dll besides batpgp65.ll (I'm using
PGP6.5.1) why does it display 6.0.2i in my message - if it is
hardcoded in the dll, it should display the "assumed version" in the
dll and not some reg junk from previous installations (see msgs
earlier)?

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Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not work

1999-10-14 Thread Claudius Regn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Oliver,

n   i'm using PGP 6.0.2i and the PGP 6.0.x/6.5.x plug-in but
"check
n   digital signature" does not work. all i get is an empty
"PGPlog"
n   window. anyone else with the same problems?

[cut]

 I' using PGP 6.5.1 (US, since pgpi.com announced Version i for
 October, 1st and nothing happens).
 Option "PGP-sign" writes:
 (a) "Version: PGP 6.0.2i" (see below)
 (b) adds "- " above "With best..." (see below)
 (c) destroys quoted block (see above)
 (d) "Hash: SHA1" (see above)

 Why (a),(b),(c) and what does (d) mean?
 Auto-check-signature doesn't work here with 6.5.1 (or maybe TB!
 thinks there's a 6.0.2i installed, which _was_ installed but I made a
 complete uninstall).

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.0.2i

iQA/AwUBOAXtFUBdP0XmJHLbEQL0kACeNhwWXTEnCj1ViLtpie4f1qStHz0AnRN4
ptJ8hb55rgh/jMUkSdIqpMxf
=MO3l
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



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