Re: Update on AVG plug-in
It was a transition for me too, and one that has finally passed. It seems natural to me now. Curtis, you really MUST post details of the operation and let us see photos of the 'new' Curtis :) Happy Christmas -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with v.3.64.01 crashing
Unfortunately however whenever I try to access my IMAP account at Fastmail The Bat! appears to complete all the downloading and then crashes with an Access violation error. As you've discovered, Bob, IMAP is still a "work in progress" in TB! I have so many issues with performance, implementation and stability that I rarely use the prog these days. For a better discussion of the current state of IMAP take a deep breath and have a look at TBBETA. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A further look at bug tracker
In all this, it was good to finally get a laugh out of one of the posts! Oi! Don't start enjoying yourself here or I'll have to killfile you. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
> So, it is an _alternative_ to something they are already introducing and which is not at all intuitive or elegant. But still a new feature. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
> Now, if you would really like it to be implemented, let's campaign about it. Frankly, rather than implement yet another feature that won't work/generate more bugs/breaks an existing feature, I'd rather the development team concentrates on getting the basics of the programme working properly. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: With IMAP how long should it take for TB! to close?
Hello steverio, Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 11:28:26 PM, you wrote: > It takes 4 seconds to close TB! when I use IMAP. It takes a split > second to close with POP3. I have just responded to your other message. Some of us have to sleep you know :). This happens here but it's probably one of the least frustrating bugs in TB's current IMAP performance. It's probably the same phenomenon that makes TB so slow at fetching and displaying IMAP messages and part of the way the protocol is implemented in the prog. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! exit seems slow with IMAP
Hello steverio2k, Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 3:21:42 PM, you wrote: > Since adding the IMAP, I noticed a longer delay in TB! closing. > Checking my IMAP account for mail at some point will result in a 4 > second closure interval for TB!. I have this too. TB takes up to 10 seconds to close with my two IMAP accounts. Just another example of TB's still rough implementation of IMAP, I guess. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.62.14 safe to use?
I fired up ThunderBird that I hadn't used it days. In a few seconds it had all folders checked and updated. No problem. I guess a few exits and restarts. Cleaning the caches etc. just might make things better but... Phew! I was beginning to feel that I was the only one in step with these particular problems! -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some help with IMAP
I assume that I can have different folders on the server for day to day filtering? And then selectively pull down emails that I feel need to be on the local machine. You can (should be able to) set up a folder structure on your server much as you can with a POP account, depending on the capability of your remote server. However, TB! has a number of problems defining and administering new folders that have been aired here over a period of time and it's one of the reasons I don't use TB! very much at the moment. You can copy/drag individual emails to local folders, and if you've got OE or Thunderbird on your system you'll see how easy it is to do but I still don't see why you'd want to do it on a day-to-day basis. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some help with IMAP
Additionally, there's nothing preventing you from using filters or manually copying your messages to local folders. There's your backup. True. I do archive some of my FastMail folders every few months and store them on CD. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some help with IMAP
I also like the idea of downloading mails from the server to a local machine. To me it 'feels' more secure. ;) Ask yourself what would happen if your machine crashed or was stolen. How would you rescue your mail? I certainly trust that my mail service (FastMail) has a more robust backup system than I have! For me, this is one of the great benefits of IMAP, the other being that I can access identical mail structures from wherever I happen to be without a lot of fiddly synchronisation every day. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Server certificate problem with TLS
Thursday, September 15, 2005, 8:48:27 PM, you wrote: > At the TB forum Maxim came with this workaround: Thanks Roelof, but the issue has disappeared now as FastMail is putting the new frontend into production this weekend with the correct certificate. BTW, what's the "TB Forum?" -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Server certificate problem with TLS
Hello Martin, Friday, September 9, 2005, 4:18:12 PM, you wrote: > See for a similar > discussion. Thanks, Martin, But the problem is that FastMail haven't changed the name of their certificate or issued a new one - just the name of their server (from mail.x to betamail.x) for the duration of their testing. I'll just have to log in without TLS or use Mulberry which is grown-up enough to let me make a decision about whether to accept a mismatched certificate or not. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Server certificate problem with TLS
Hello Roelof, > TB won't do that. Pity. Have to use Mulberry then. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Server certificate problem with TLS
I'm beta testing a new front end on one of FastMail's servers but I'm having trouble getting TB to accept a certificate using port 993 and TLS. Mulberry lets me accept or reject a mis-matching certificate but I can't find how to do this from TB. Here's a link to the thread giving all the details: http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37897&perpage=15&highlight=&pagenumber=1 -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello Tom, Friday, September 9, 2005, 7:43:20 AM, you wrote: > One that I see now is that, despite the "mark messages as read when > deleted," when I do that from my IMAP inbox, well, it copies the > message to the Trash, and leaves it in my inbox as well. This is my number one issue with TB and IMAP. I just wish Ritlabs would accept that messages should be flagged as deleted (as Outlook, Outlook Express, Mulberry etc do) and not just hide them from view. When I'm using Mulberry I take the opportunity to tidy up deleted messages - but it shouldn't be necessary. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello z5worg, Friday, September 9, 2005, 5:37:09 AM, you wrote: > How do I need to do to get the messages in the Inbox to display? Update to the latest version of TB. IMAP has come a long way since v2 and is quite usable now. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fake membership message
Hello Robert, Friday, September 2, 2005, 2:18:13 PM, you wrote: > Did you run a WHOIS on the IP of origination, to see where it was > sent from? First thing I did! The message comes from dsl093-173-035.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net. Anyway, I only posted the warning here in case anyone was tempted to give up their valuable TB username and password to a spammer. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fake membership message
Hello Robert, Friday, September 2, 2005, 1:28:50 PM, you wrote: > If you happened to subscribe to an e-list recently, this might be > legit. No, it's not legit. I've never used the domain in question for anything. It's the domain my wife uses for her email - and she doesn't use it on web forms etc, -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fake membership message
I thought I'd share this piece of spam sent to one of my domains that I received this morning. Look familiar? --- This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your list.stanklos.com mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Passwords for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:etc, etc -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LAN connectioin
Hello Roy, Thursday, August 25, 2005, 1:51:48 PM, you wrote: > How do I get The Bat! to use my local area network? Right click the account name in the folder tree then: Properties/network/use account specific network properties - you'll see the options there. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys
> Sometimes (and that refers currently only to some messages on TBOT), > I switch to the RTV in order to see the smileys How sad. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.51.9 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recovering deleted IMAP messages
Hello Sean, Thursday, July 28, 2005, 9:01:30 PM, you wrote: > is there a quick way I can get them > back without having to restore from a backup? Get hold of a free copy of IMAPsize from www.broobles.com. Set up your account details and you'll find an right click option to undelete all messages in an IMAP folder. Lots of other useful functions, too, including backup. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.51.9 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New messages showed twice
--On 12/06/2005 20:06 +0200 Ralph wrote: I'm using IMAP with FastMail.FM. Does anybody else experience that behavior? I use FastMail and IMAP without this issue. The problem lies with TB. You'll have to go Folder/Remove duplicates to get rid of the (apparent) duplicates. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr "bouncing" list messages
--On 4 June 2005 14:07 -0500 Mary Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: a background-running Trojan detector (the only one I know of that does that is TDS-3) Mary, hopefully you're aware that excellent though TDS-3 is (it's the one anti-trojan prog I use for cleaning clients' machines when all else fails) it doesn't offer real time protection UNLESS you have 'application protection' enabled. There are other anti-trojan progs that do give this by default though, BOClean and Trojan Hunter spring to mind. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why can't I copy the raw text of a message?
--On 4 June 2005 08:45 -0500 Mary Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Apparently, the developers are close to having as part of The Bat! the best IMAP functionality available anywhere on the market now, just a little more work on-going in the current beta series. Oh Mary, I just love your jokes. More please. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP4 multi send
Hello Andrew, Friday, May 27, 2005, 12:01:16 AM, you wrote: > Any ideas? Sounds like a server problem rather than an issue with TB. Never seen this reported before :( -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.5.18 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[5]: Undelete? Used for...?
Count me in the "other half" :-) That's why it's not implemented yet and that's why it will be optional Oh! I'm the other half to you and I'd really like to see this feature. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: address book gone?
Yes, in Mulberry I'm not convinced about that at this stage, Roelof. Tony has posted a number of messages testing his IMAP accounts in TBBETA using Mulberry that have failed to thread properly while other people using the prog have not had problems. I've switched from TB to Mulberry to post this - let's have a look at the headers when it appears on the list. Regards -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: address book gone?
Hello Tony, Monday, May 16, 2005, 9:23:12 PM, you wrote: > My address books are fine As is your threading (re our exchange in TBBETA). Wierd. -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...
Hello AJ, Saturday, May 14, 2005, 9:37:41 PM, you wrote: > Is it possible for you to come up with a solution? See the solution here. It worked for me: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v3.5 Final fails to install...
> Well, I tried to install The Bat! again when the final version came > out. What happened again was that the installation process stops and > I what pops up on the screen is the enclosed files It appears that there are a number of us having problems with this installer. There are a number of threads on TBBETA about this issue at the moment - but no consensus about why it's happening or how to resolve it. -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: gmail now has pop+smtp, TB! just works
> Has anyone read anywhere about plans for IMAP support then, as I > can't see anything. Here's what they're saying: "Gmail doesn't currently support IMAP access. As part of our ongoing commitment to give our users easy access to their email, we have introduced POP access. We look forward to announcing more features as they become available." -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: gmail now has pop+smtp, TB! just works
> I have not yet this feature in my Gmail account. I noticed this morning that I had access to new features and I've set it up. When you get access, there are clear instructions on how to configure your email client. Gmail is using SSL/TLS and TB will support these protocols just fine. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and AI RoboForm
> click (left or right) the icon in the tray and select e.g. identities. > Right-click them and you should see the option to send it by mail. > puzzle solved? The good news is that I've now found the option (it never occured to me to right click a fly-out). > perhaps you could try it out and tell me if it works for you... The bad news is that invoking the email option hangs my system. I tried three times and had to hard reboot each time. I won't touch that again! -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and AI RoboForm
> has anyone ever tried out AI RoboForm? It has an option to send > certain files via the standard email client (in my case TB) but it > doesn't what it is supposed to do. I'm puzzled by this. I use RoboForm but have never seen an email option anywhere in the prog. Where do you find it? -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cannot connect to server
> How could the View window distinguish between a legitimate, > long-standing, conventional use of the colon and the hi-jacked > Smiley use of enclosing colons? These thingies take the form of a colon, some text and another colon, don't they? I can't think of a single sentence written in English that would have two colons following each other like that. I wouldn't have thought it was that difficult to write a rule to identify the format - but what do I know? > This is an old horse, of course, and neither of us wishes to beat it > to death! Oh, but I do, Mary. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cannot connect to server
> But would you really be happier without something to complain about? Probably not. My wife's taken to calling me Mog, anyway. It's short for miserable old git. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cannot connect to server
> What is it that you don't like, the actual text between colons or > their graphical representation? The latter can be eliminated by > picking the PTV to view your messages or to disable smileys when > using the RTV. I've disabled smileys and I can (just about) live with the ASCII representation because they've been part of Usenet for so long. What I don't like about the other gizmos is the fact that, apart from the fact they're TB specific, they're longer and more intrusive than smileys. > However, I don't think my skills are up to creating a QT like that, so > if yours aren't up to it either you have to convince somebody else to > write it. Mine neither, sadly > (Oops, I used a smiley. Sorry) That's perfectly OK, Roelof. No problem. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cannot connect to server
> There was a lot of complaint about the Smiley colons for awhile While some of us continue to grumble into our beards about the wretched things. I just wish there was a text filter to expunge the little devils from my screen. To me they're like bird droppings on a windscreen - the world looks better without them! -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.2 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
> Might help to mention that this is Imap on the Fastmail server. I haven't had this with my IMAP/Fastmail traffic for a few betas now - and not with this final version at all. It might be worth clearing your local cache regularly. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [the_bat] Where's TBOT gone?
> I think this will work. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it did Michael. Many thanks -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: V3: yes or not in a few words...
> People with very complicated filters in 2.xx or 1.xx or who Removed > their old Bat and tried to do a clean install did get into trouble. As well as a significant number of people who built simple filters anew in v3, unfortunately, Mary. -- Regards Clive T Using TB 3.0.0.15 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Undeletable mail
> I got so much S P A M in that account that it went over bandwidth > limit in less than two weeks EVERY MONTH. I emailed support and they > shrugged it off. So I cancelled the account. Ah, so not Fastmail itself, then! You could have tweaked their excellent SIEVE based filters to have taken care of that. -- Regards Clive T Using TB 3.0.0.15 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Undeletable mail
> I use Fastmail as my main email account and route all my > domain traffic though it lawlessly Whoops. I meant flawlessly - no spam from me! -- Regards Clive T Using TB 3.0.0.15 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Undeletable mail
> I tried TB with my fastmail account a while back, and gave up. I > ended up deleting the fastmail account and stuck to POP3 accounts > for TB. Strange. I use Fastmail as my main email account and route all my domain traffic though it lawlessly. What was the problem you had - just curious. -- Regards Clive T Using TB 3.0.0.15 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CPU & memory usage
> There is also a memory leak. After the last paragraph I checked my > usage, which was at about 66mb. Closed it down, and it was about 24mb > when I re-opened. Right now it's just above 22! There does appear to be leak. 15 minutes after opening TB at around 14Mb, it's now up to 29Mb peak mem usage. I'll continue to monitor this. -- Regards Clive T Using TB 3.0 XP SP2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys go to Ignorewood (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
> But I re-think that removing them from original messages wouldn't still > do anything useful (because of interrupting a "consistency" of the > original, whichever it can be). I made the original suggestion somewhat lightheartedly; I recognise that it would be difficult/impossible to implement. Still it would be nice. (There - no smiley) -- Regards Clive T Nursing the undeveloped TB 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys go to Ignorewood (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
> The ecstasy's around the corner, and is lurking. Well, assuming you're talking about smilies and not drugs, that would be fantastic. -- Regards Clive T Nursing the under-developed TB 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)
> ...yeah, of course... blame your incompetence on the poor young little > program... aren't you ashamed of yourself? :-) Well, it MUST be me mustn't it. After all, Ritlabs (you know, professional, listening, caring, competent etc) have released this fine version after such exhaustive testing they've had to go to lie down by the Black Sea or wherever they go to spend licence monies. -- Regards Clive T 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)
> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not > just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have > instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Clive Leif & Roelof Sorry about that. I DID trim Allie's post to one para before I sent it but TB put my reply in its outbox and then sent it twice in the form that appeared on the list! It then perfomed a GPF and locked solid, necessitating a reboot. Goodness only knows what new users are thinking about this version. -- Regards, Clive Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Allie, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:44:44 PM, you wrote: > Tony, [T] wrote: >> Add fat graphics, animated stuff, and useless gadgets. IMO TB! made >> it's 1st step in that direction with the new icons and promise of >> skins. > > You know, I find this interesting. > The very common negative commentary about new icons and smilies with > improved XP look support is just testimony to how these things are > noticed, whether it be positively or negatively. > The applications appearance is the first thing that greets the user. > Putting reliability and robust functionality aside as being a must, an > attractive interface adds a lot to an application that requires day to > day user interaction. IOW's, if I had two applications with equal > functionality, reliability and ease of use, I'd personally go for the > one that I found more pleasant to look at. It's not a waste of time > and development to spend a while focusing on improving the > applications appearance. Furthermore, it's not usually the cause of > unreliability creeping in, neither does it contribute much to bloating > the software. > What has made TB! difficult to tame in terms of reliability and bugs > are not the introduction of smilies and the efforts at improving the > applications appearance as is so commonly mentioned, since it seems to > be popular to do so like promoting Linux. ;) > - A completely reworked view column modes setup/interface introduced a > lot of bugs for a while. > - The continuing effort at offering Full IMAP support in what > originally was a sophisticated POP3 client has offered serious > challenges in maintaining reliability and keeping the bugs out. Not to > mention the overall size of the application. There are clients like > ThunderBird and Mulberry who focus only on IMAP since it's work enough > in itself to fully implement. > - A completely reworked filtering system has added its own problems > while being ironed out. > - A scheduler was added > - Chat support was added > - The plug-in interfaces were added. > But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about > smilies and new icons as if they comprise a HUGE coding effort that > could have been channeled elsewhere, or that they comprise a > significant source of buggy behaviour and bloat in TB!. The only issue I have with smilies is that it's impossible to ignore the ):( type characters in the text - and that's just as annoying for me as seeing the actual graphic (but maybe I am a grumpy old s*d as my wife says). I'd be ecstatic if the next version of TB could filter these characters out of my received messages. -- regards, Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons
You know, I'm actually getting the impression that the colons are already a pretty clear and effective way to indicate them. And, from a smiley-hater's point of view, colons are quite unobtrusive if we have to have the wretched things! -- Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs *is* a business...
> I'm on a bit of a jihad against the really stupid use of smilies, LOL, etc. Wow. Can I join your club please? -- Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
> I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user should not be charged for the upgrade. You KNOW this do you? After all, as the one beta tester who appears to have rushed in and bought a new licence, Ritlabs would have thrown a welcome party for you. (No smiley - I hate them). -- Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP sent-mail folder
Hi Peter, > I'd like a show of hands (Cf. prog rock trio Rush): for how many does > this actually work? Not here it doesn't. Can't use TB/IMAP for sending mail at all reliably. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.11.02 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP: Deleted messages
Hi Jonathan, > With the strike through? I've seen it in 2 programs I think. From my experience this is the standard for - at least - OE, Outlook, Mulberry, mailservers such as FastMail, servers implementing HORDE such as MailSnare ... -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP: Deleted messages
Hi Jonathan, > What's wrong with "Browse deleted messages" under the "Folder" menu? Um. That wasn't Martin's question. When I've been using TB in IMAP mode I've found myself logging onto the server direct to find out what's happening with the emails there. TB's implementation is awful. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP: Deleted messages
Hi Martin, > Is there an option to show deleted messages in IMAP folders; i.e. > display with strikeout text? No. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP rules ..
Hi Lynn, > I didn't see anything that would forward anything to my account .. This is straight from FM's FAQ - it's a one-off set up.. "To forward all email as soon as it arrives, click Options, and then Define Rules. Enter the email address to forward to in the 'Forward to' field, choose whether or not to delete the original from FastMail.FM using the checkbox, and click 'Add'. Of course, you can choose just a subset of messages to forward by selecting criteria in the 'Look in' and 'For text matching' columns." -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP rules ..
Hi Lynn, > do FastMail and MailSnare actually forward the mail out? If so, why > can't it be forwarded to a POP account in TB? Have a look at FastMail's features. Go to www.fastmail.fm and click the "compare plans" link. The short answer is that you can use POP or IMAP with any account you set up and forward mail into and from your account (POP only with paid accounts). Its web interface is quick and surprisingly sophisticated - I've been pleasantly surprised at how well it works. > Maybe I'll just have to live with TB and hope they get to the IMAP > stuff rsn .. Well, I live with TB and Mulberry daily. I like TB and its features but, in the area I now need, it just doesn't measure up. I hope it improves but I have reservations, unfortunately. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP rules ..
Hi Lynn, > I'd really like my imap mail to be a bit more functional > .. I had a look at Thunderbird, but wasn't all that > enamored of it .. haven't got to Mulberry yet. I've just mentioned to Jim that FastMail or Mailsnare offer extremely good POP, IMAP and forwarding facilities for external mail. For me, the combination of FastMail and Mulberry, with mail from the odd POP account I have being collected by FastMail, gives me all the benefits of IMAP with none of the disadvantages of POP. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP rules ..
> So I read the mail via a pop3 account, and send mail via the IMAP smtp > server. If that works for you, Jim, fine. But if your system is designed to overcome TB's shortcomings in the IMAP area a better solution would be to use a mail client (or web interface such as FastMail or MailSnare) that fully supports IMAP. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP rules ..
Hi Dave, > nothing else I've tried comes close to TB! for most features, but IMAP > has become essential, and perhaps I'll need to compromise in other > areas to get acceptable IMAP support. Exactly my conclusion. I've lost patience recently and registered Mulberry which I'm using heavily for my domain/IMAP traffic. If only that prog had some of the nice features of TB I'd die happy. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Best antispam approach I have found thus far for TB
Hi Jonathan, > TB plus the BFP runs at 19 megs of RAM; SpamBayes (using the same > training data, more than 3,000 spam and 3,000 ham) uses just 11 megs. I've just looked at my SpamPal memory usage - just over 6Mb peak memory usage on a WinXp machine! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Best antispam approach I have found thus far for TB
Hi Arjan, > I'm using SpamPal. which has the added benefits of DNSBL lookups and > Spamassassin based regular expression filtering. Me too. AND with the Bayesian plugin detection rates are so close to 100% as not to matter. Maybe two spam mails a week make it through to my inbox. Works brilliantly with IMAP, too. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP rules ..
Hi Dave, > But I, and several others on this list, are quite frustrated with the > snail's pace with which RITLabs is approaching IMAP improvements. Tell you what. Go to Ritlab's website and try and find references to TB and IMAP. While you're there , try and find the forum, too. As I recall there were large numbers of postings scathing about TB's abilities in that area. It seems that IMAP is not a priority. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Managing IMAP folders
I've just come across an interesting little free prog that may help some of you having problems with TB's IMAP working. Here's a description of what the prog does: "IMAPSize concentrates on providing means for maintaining your IMAP accounts, rather than using them. If you are using an IMAP client that offers less features than the main players, you will find IMAPSize very handy (if not necessary...). IMAPSize also offers some features not found in other clients (e.g. the attachment deletion area, global searches, etc). It's a late alpha - but stable - can be downloaded here: http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/ -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Receipt & reading confirmations
Hi Richard, > I have to use Outlook at the office, and usually receive receipts when > requested, but never from home with TB!. Are your addressees different at home and work? It might be coincidence that your 'home' recipients are simply ignoring the request for a receipt. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP Question
Hi Allie, > Good clients to try and compare with how TB! handles IMAP are > ThunderBird and Mulberry. If you use those, you'll experience solid > IMAP support. I know this topic must be boring the pants off non IMAP users but I've been using Mulberry for all my domain traffic exclusively for a month now and I'm sooo impressed with the way it handles IMAP (I know you've experienced performance probs but it's fine here). What I miss about TB! are some of the little functions I've been taking for granted, though. Things like the ability to reformat quotes in replied messages, the address book, the interface, the editor (really!). The bottom line though, is that I can rely on the prog: it works without any drama and I can get on with my work. TB! is now relegated to POP list-traffic type operations where I don't require constant access to the information. Shame really, but I'll persevere with updating TB in the hope this area improves. What I won't do though is pay for another upgrade to access a set of features that don't work! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.04.7 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Bayesit and SpamPal
Hi Joseph, > I've been happy using SpamPal and some plug-ins, including the > Bayesian filter, with TB! Is there any reason I should consider > switching to Bayesit? I've just gone the other way! Ditched Bayesit and configured Spampal (plus Bayesian). Very happy with it. No more mail collection hangs and good information about what Spampal's doing. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:TBUDL Current version?
> Surely this is simply a matter of reporting fact? What if I decide I > like the name "bob" instead of the impersonal "2.04.7"? At the moment, version numbers are in a hybrid format. For consistency the current (and future) versions should, in my view, either be in the form 2.4.7 OR 2.04.07 - not both as we've got at present! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:TBUDL Current version?
> Yes and no. The previous release was 2.04.03 and that is more > logical to me. I'm calling this one 07 for now. I'm with you on this, Marck. The lack of the leading zero in version numbers is very confusing. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Disappearing progress indicator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bill, > My guess would be an incompatibility with WindowBlinds, but before I > report it, is any other WindowBlinds user seeing this? Yes. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.04.4 Current version is 2.04.04 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Log info on "could not connect to server"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mary, > I mean, can any version of TB! tell the reason "why," as in, for > instance, quoting the server's response? > In most instances, the Internet browsers are still available to me. > It's just the POP3 and SMTP that are not functioning 99 times out of 100 it's a problem 'at the other end'. If your Internet connection is working but it's only email that's not functioning the problem is likely to be with your ISP's mail servers. The key to resolving this problem is patience! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/53 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bill, > NO antivirus program detects all new viruses. I agree, Bill. My post was a reply to Carstens strange comment that "NOD32 does not detect new viruses". No more, no less. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/45 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?
Well, what happened there? The first message wouldnt go. TB froze and I had to ctrl Alt Del. When I sent again, it went twice. Still, my comments were worth making twice! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/45 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Carsten, > I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/ > viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget > these days What do you mean "NOD32 does not detect new viruses"? It's one of the best out there at detecting viruses and updating itself against new threats. It's proven - especiall here in the past few days with the MyDoom worm. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/45 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:nod32 plugin for The Bat!?
> Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin? Not for v2 and you dont need one anyway, because NOD32 will intercept infected mail at a system level and, believe me, you WILL get a notification if theres a virus in your mail! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/45 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:How to eliminate the TB start logo?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Costas, > This is exactly how I see the shortcut properties when I right-click > on the Start button and click on the "Open" item in the menu. Are you sure you dont have any extra spaces or odd characters anywhere? If not, Ive no idea why it wont work. Perhaps it might be worthwhile creating a new shortcut and appending /nologo to it. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/25 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:How to eliminate the TB start logo?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jonathan, > I think the /nologo should be inside the "" shouldn't it? No, outside as: "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /nologo -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.03 Beta/25 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem with Bayesit filter - connecting to ISP
Hi MikeD, > I can't imagine how Bayesit would interfere with connection ... it > only filters the email. Well, I too have experienced the Connectio Center hanging issue but since uninstalling Bayesit the problem has disappeared. QED -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.01.26 Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:What is that number?
Hi Edward, > I have received a number of suggestions of what the number is. But it > still is not clear. The number in square brackets is the number of messages on the IMAP server read and not marked for deletion thats how I read it, anyhow. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.01.7 Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Extracting email addresses
Hi rich, > Does anyone have a way to extract email addresses from Eudora & > Pegasus, but not from the address books!! Mailbag Assistant: http://www.fookes.com/mailbag -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
> Why these repetitve instructions?!? Maybe some of us need to be reminded about the list rules constantly. For example, the message about inserting a sig delimiter doesnt seem to have reached you yet :( -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Text quoting
Hi John, > Can Bat do this? Select your text and hit F4. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:how do i actually purge server side IMAP box?
Hi Samson, > anyone could show me how to purge server IMAP inbox? thanks! With focus on the folder you wish to purge, go Folder|Compress. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Hi Clive, > Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right > click option)? Sorry, had a brain slip. Theres no right click option for this. Instead go folder|compress with the focus on the folder you want to operate on. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Hi Edward, > Yet these 59 zombie messages are still shown in inbox folder in The > Bat! I've run folder maintenance to no avail. Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right click option)? -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP
Hi Dave, > Now obviously I'm an IMAP newbie and perhaps am not entirely > understanding how IMAP is supposed to work, but some things just > don't seem right IMAP is not well implemented in TB so far this version. I regard it as work in progress and have given up using it until the various issues, some of which you describe here, are resolved (which I'm sure they will be in due course). -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?
Hi John, > If you drag across that auto generated address and then "copy" > it.. then start a new message in Bat and try and paste it into > the "to" field. it win paste into it It works here. How are you copying and pasting the address, ctrl+C, ctrl+v? -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:check ALL as a default
Hi Melissa, > "Get new mail" (for only the account with focus in the > folder tree) is set to F2. Did you previously edit that one to F3? Nope. F2 does check the current account. F3 does diddly squat except when invoked from the dropdown menu. I've found by experimenting though that F11 *does* work. Strange. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:check ALL as a default
Hi Melissa, > I've set the "Check mail for all" to the single "F3" key. This makes > it really simple for me Odd. F3 does nothing from my keyboard yet, from the dropdown menu (next to the 'get new mail' icon), F3 is there and the command works! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Unable To Register V2
Hi Steve, > when I enter the key and checksum and my > password into the relevant boxes in the register window I am told that > the password is incorrect You don't need a password for V2. The easiest way to ensure you are entering the right key and checksum is make sure the email containing these details is open and go to help|registration code. You'll find the details are filled in for you. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Dial-Up, TB and Firewalls
Hi Vishal, > You don't stay online very long: This is the primary reason > DSL/Cable users are at risk. If you're online for a long time you > become a much more attractive target. You couldn't be more wrong, Vishal. I provide support and training for home-based PC users, 95% of whom are on dial-up around here. I can tell you that it doesn't make a jot of difference how they connect - the vulnerable ones who contract viruses and worms are those who don't or won't install or update their AV progs or Windows. End of story. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hi Anne, > Thanks Clive - I tried this and it still won't work for me :-( It's not your authorisation details for the news server, is it? That's the only other area that could be wrong, as far as I can see. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hi Peter, > My ports are 2000 and 2001. Yes. I'm sure they are, but HERE MyMail won't work other than with 110. It might be a firewall issue (but I don't think so) but it works as is! -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Account log font
Is it possible to change the font for the account logs? I can't find the option anywhere and the default font is difficult to read here. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hi Anne, > I've checked and double checked all the settings against the > instructions but can't see where the problem is... does anyone have > any suggestions please I had the same problem and found that I could get MyGate to work only by setting the local port to 110 in both TB and MyGate (NNTP on 119). Any other combinations just wouldn't work. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
P> Oh, I can't do that here... Eh? -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
