Re: can't start 3.5.26

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Paul,

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:24:30 -0400 (7:24 AM here), Paul A. Thiessen
[PAT] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PAT> Just downloaded and installed 3.5.26 (over 3.5.25). However, when
PAT> I try to start it from my non-admin WinXP account, I get the
PAT> initial splash image, but then the CPU pegs at 100% and nothing
PAT> else happens.

This problem has been resolved it the new beta which can be downloaded
here:

http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3530.rar

Install it in the non-working 3.5.26 program directory and all will be
well.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.5.30 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: spamalot

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Philip,

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:51:48 +0100 (1:51 PM here), Philip Storry [PS]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>>  I think its safe to conclude that 3rd party relay type
KC>> solutions seem to offer better performance than the plug-ins

PS> I would disagree.

PS> A few posters to this list have had problems with the plugins.
PS> Often, they've not marked any ham as well as marking spam, or
PS> haven't marked enough of either. But those are just common reasons
PS> for the enquiry - I'm not going to say that those are the only
PS> reasons for bad performance of the plugins.

To be fair to the plugins, I rescan a significant amount of spam and
ham. I save all spam from my various accounts and rescan the last
couple of months. I do the same for my received messages both personal
mail and list mail. I never have to do this for SpamPal, which seems
to work right out of the box.

What I've noticed is even after a couple of weeks, the performance
never seems to improve. At least this is my personal experience.
Typically I'll get 50-60 spam/day between my various mail accounts. On
the plus side, the plugins seem pretty good at not erroneously tagging
ham as spam.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: spamalot

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Goos,

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:23:00 +0200 (9:23 AM here), Goos [G] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> Periodically I retry BayesIt and Bayes Filter, as a plug-in would
KC>> be simpler. I always go back to SpamPal as it catches almost
KC>> everything where the other two don't even come close.

G> K9 running here. Gets almost all SPAM.

- From the messages posted here, both recently and in the past, I think
its safe to conclude that 3rd party relay type solutions seem to offer
better performance than the plug-ins. For those with a spam problem,
its probably worth the inconvenience of running a relay.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

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Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: spamalot

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Peter,

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:00:22 +0200 (9:00 AM here), Peter Fjelsten [PF]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JR>> Anyone experiencing the same &, if so, what are you doing about
JR>> it?

PF> I am using BayesIt here at work and it is far, far worse at
PF> correctly marking spam than my setup at home: SpamPal (with
PF> white/blacklists, private and public) with the Bayesian and P2P
PF> plugins. This combination is probably running at over 99,5%
PF> success rate. Continuously.

Periodically I retry BayesIt and Bayes Filter, as a plug-in would be
simpler. I always go back to SpamPal as it catches almost everything
where the other two don't even come close.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Bayesit Add In

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Jeff,

On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:11:05 +0100 (8:11 AM here), Jeff Gaines [JG]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JG> I switched to BayesFilter and I'm training it. For some reason TB!
JG> is not retaining this add in between sessions, I have to keep
JG> adding it at the start of a session, although it seems to maintain
JG> its training.


Close The Bat! and locate and edit this file with your favorite text
editor:

"Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\BatMail\TBPlugin.ini"

Mine is appended below. Make sure the "Count=3" line matches the
number of plugins that you have configured in the "[Plugins]" area.
Just for reference, all of my plugins are located in subdirectories
under "C:\Program Files\The Bat!".

[AntiSpam]
ScoreType=0
Delete=0
Junk=1
DeleteScore=80
JunkScore=60
MarkJunkRead=0
MarkJunkToJunk=1
GlobalJunkFolder=0

[Plugins]
Count=3
Plugin #1=%PROGRAMDIR%\Bayes Filter Plugin\BayesFilter.tbp
Plugin #2=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyGate\mygaterunner.tbp
Plugin #3=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyMacros\mymacros.tbp

[Plugin Data]
Plugin #1=
Plugin #2=
Plugin #3=



- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.5.0.17 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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kXbeYRJk1BRyS5uzp1qMe34=
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Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: K9 and GPGrelay

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Henk,

On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:54:46 +0200 (3:54 AM here), Henk M. de Bruijn
[HMdB] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

HMdB> I would like to try K9 but I am already using GPGrelay and would
HMdB> like to continue using that at the same time. Is that possible?

I've never tried K9 but from what I've read its similar to SpamPal. I
run SpamPal along with GPGrelay without any problems.

Specify the "Remote Server" in GPGrelay and not The Bat!

In The Bat!:

 POP server = localhost
 POP port   = 110
 User field = [EMAIL PROTECTED]:yyy

Where xxx would be your full email address including the "@" sign.
After the colon would be the same port number that you declare for
local port in your GPGrelay.

ie: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@localhost:6110

Feel free to contact me off list if you need some screen shots.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.5 Return RC2 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Alexander,

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:25:53 +0200 (2:25 PM here), Alexander S. Kunz
[ASK] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

ASK> A good virus scanner is only one part of a complete security
ASK> strategy, and you named a couple of very good additional programs
ASK> (and conception) that I use myself, too. :-)

I'm sure there are some other useful security related program that I
haven't heard of. I'm always interested in that type of thing. I
suppose we should move this to TBOT. To keep on topic, I consider The
Bat! another important part of the overall security scheme.

>> While its true you often get what you pay for, I think a reasonable
>> defence can be built for free. Not all AV programs are effective
>> for intercepting spyware.

ASK> You are of course right. Currently, dealing with ad- and spyware
ASK> requires separate programs (Mica: free programs, oh yes ;-).

I can appreciate those living on a fixed income and I'm thankful that
there are free programs that can be utilized.

ASK> I can imagine that more and more AV program vendors will include
ASK> complete spyware removal into their products in the future,
ASK> because ad- and spyware becomes more and more "virus" (or trojan)
ASK> like.

This seems to be the trend. The various threats are beginning to blend
together. Already some of the "Suites" are already attempting to do
this. Their cost is fairly significant and then there's the annual
renewal fees.

ASK> For anyone who's interested, there's a nice set of articles by
ASK> Tom Liston of ISC that describes the problem:

Thanks ... I visited the links and tried the bad boy link. No spyware
was installed, so what I have must be working.

>> Most of us spend a fair amount of money on our hardware and
>> Internet access. Buying a decent AV package should be part of the
>> process. Yes, you can do it for free, but is it worth the risk?

ASK> I rest my case. :-)

I think these types of discussions help elevate awareness of both the
problems and the solutions.

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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3TpYIENY97iFmCbctFLuuNI=
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Alexander,

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:21:26 +0200 (6:21 AM here), Alexander S. Kunz
[ASK] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

ASK> To make it clear: AntiVir removed 87 malware files, but it did
ASK> not clean the machine.

ASK> I want to add my very personal opinion here: the program may be
ASK> free, but it is useless.

Realistically I don't think I would rely on any AV software to be my
sole defence. While its true you often get what you pay for, I think a
reasonable defence can be built for free. Not all AV programs are
effective for intercepting spyware. If one uses several product some
reasonable wall of protection can be built.

ie: router
software firewall
MS Antispyware (active)
Spybot SD (resident)
SpywareGuard
SpywareBlaster

Ad-Aware with frequent scans
Firefox

All should be updated frequently and scanners should be run on a
regular schedule.

It also helps to use a free utility like Active Ports to examine which
software is using inbound/outbound ports. If wireless, something like
AirSnare is useful for ensuring no unauthorized systems are connected.

Most of us spend a fair amount of money on our hardware and Internet
access. Buying a decent AV package should be part of the process. Yes,
you can do it for free, but is it worth the risk?

I would still use the auxiliary measures listed above no matter what
AV I selected. In today's world, there's no such thing as too safe.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi David,

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:40:13 -0500 (2:40 PM here), David Calvarese
[DC] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available

DC> Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem.

This does resolve the problem.

DC> Note that there are other GnuPG issues, especially when wanting to
DC> encrypt to multiple keys for one email address (As is the case
DC> with the PGPNET Yahoo group.

This is more of a function of GPG. Basically you need to create a
group entry in your gpg.conf file with the e-mail address of PGPNET
followed by the long keyids of the group members.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

GnuPG v1.4.1rc1/GPGrelay News

[Kevin Coates]

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Hello TBUDL!

Henk de Bruijn eluded to the fact that The Bat's pgp encryption
support works with the latest GPG release candidate in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Some of you may have missed his comment so I'm re-announcing his
discovery.

The Windows binary is available here:

 ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/alpha/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.1rc1.exe (1377k)
 ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/alpha/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.1rc1.exe.sig



For those of you who also use GPGrelay:

The first preview of the next GPGrelay release (v0.956) is available
here:

http://tinyurl.com/4anhn

This release requires GPG 1.4.0.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The worlds smallest email?

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Gerard,

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:50:55 +0100 (2:50 PM here), Gerard [G] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

G> It is good to hear it is not just me that is receiving these. I am
G> just wondering how they get send to me, and what you report to
G> SpamCop if there is no text and just one empty header?

Don't worry, its nothing personal. :) I use the macro on Marck's web
site to report. Using F9 I do see some addresses. Try it and see for
yourself.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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UjZAHVF/qbM8yi7GABuPgVY=
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The worlds smallest email?

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Jurgen,

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:25:42 +0100 (2:25 PM here), Jurgen Haug [JH]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> My guess is that its either misconfigured spam software or a trojan
>> spam engine that isn't working as intended. In spite of their small
>> size and lack of a message body, I report them to SpamCop anyway.

JH> I think I got those spams via my old Geocities account which
JH> forwarded it to my Yahoo account. I couldn't stop the Geocities
JH> account forwarding that stuff so I just too a new Yahoo account.
JH> Never got that again.

I'll keep a closer look at these and see if there is a pattern or a
specific location they emanate from. I don't think its a Bat problem.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The worlds smallest email?

[Kevin Coates]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Gerard,

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:51:43 +0100 (4:51 AM here), Gerard [G] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

G> I had 2 more of these e-mails this morning :( If I get them at
G> regular intervals I will try disabling this spam filter and see if
G> they disappear.

I've been receiving these daily for a couple of weeks now (on another
e-mail account). I don't believe my anti-spam software is truncating
the message. I use SpamPal here. I've seen others reporting similar
e-mails in the SpamCop Newsgroups.

My guess is that its either misconfigured spam software or a trojan
spam engine that isn't working as intended. In spite of their small
size and lack of a message body, I report them to SpamCop anyway.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFB+oRivZSrVDqOXK0RAisCAJ4+5wg6H+/EcbE3R6/3OXvDafZuTgCg6NJN
Rt82K1u29zlpM8D+tv6gkww=
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: associate a keyid with an account

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Henk,

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:47:34 +0100 (12:47 PM here), Henk de Bruijn
[HdB] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

HdB> I read that another MUA permits to associate a keyid with an
HdB> account.

HdB> Would that be possible with The Bat! as well?

Mozilla/Thunderbird users have Enigmail which allows assigning keys
even though no matching e-mail address is contained. GPGrelay will do
the same thing. These programs perform key management functions.

Unfortunately The Bat! needs a matching e-mail address both on the
sending (signing and/or encrypting) and recipient side (when
encrypting).

You will have to add another UserID to your existing key containing
the new e-mail address. Unless RIT changes things, there must be a
matching e-mail address somewhere in the key. I hope they consider
adding this key management feature. Until then, you're stuck using the
GPGShell or PGP Tray Tool to sign or encrypt with this new address.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFB7ADbvZSrVDqOXK0RAnCbAJoDf08EQFngW7Sdebj7FMOXJtJc/ACeJjhw
jzkIAMGUeQt4IB11dHo0xh0=
=SWV2
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi MFPA,

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:21:19 +0100 (10:21 PM here), MFPA [M] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

M> gPopper v1.1 has so far not posed me any problems with PGP inlined
M> messages. I have not tried MIME.

I'm glad its working for you. I also use GPGrelay so perhaps the
problem is an interaction between the two. I don't have any problems
using FreePOPs.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

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8BN1SZ5qpomxDp+fKoUQWBQ=
=JEjW
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Jeff,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:15:29 +0100 (11:15 AM here), Jeff Gaines [JG]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JG> I thought that TB! was firing up Firefox twice when I clicked on a
JG> URL in a mail..

JG> Has anybody else noticed this? Is there any way to stop it?

This is a known bug of the Firefox Browser. Just delete the following
Keys (and subkeys) in the registry (don't forget the backup!):

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/http/shell/open/ddeexec]
and
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/https/shell/open/ddeexec]

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBc+HrvZSrVDqOXK0RAu2tAKD923K7Qo62yuCxQ4zc5FnDEkFMogCdGmju
dwlib8FHJN8Y8Q6plg5D+Co=
=jLDd
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jack,

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700 (6:15 PM here), Jack [J] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

J> Thanks again, Kevin. I think I should try your solution, before
J> RitLabs put back that feature.

There's other benefits with GPGrelay which you might find useful.

J> TB! integrates with PGP fairly well. Does it work smoothly with
J> GPG, too?

Most of my usage with The Bat! has been with GPG and it works well.
There are a few things that could be improved upon but encryption
support has continually improved.

J> Does GPGRelay support multiple accounts well?

Yes, you can add as many account as you need. Currently I have 5
different e-mail relays configured. For those with Gmail accounts,
both inlined and PGP/MIME work when used in conjunction with the
recent version of FreePOPs.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.1 RC5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBZeB1vZSrVDqOXK0RAk1MAKDG4er/0INmGZzfR9+y6+Xw5C0tvACghtwm
LKRJvSKVxWm8s1i+AxcHzwQ=
=pf6h
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?

[Kevin Coates]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Jack,

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:01:26 -0700 (4:01 PM here), Jack [J] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

J> Thanks for the reply. I have more than one PGP accounts and I have
J> to deal with most of my emails this way. I have PGP installed and
J> everything works well except that I can not save decrypted
J> messages. PGPRelay seems to be a solution but it requires running a
J> separate process, some settings, and installing GPG.

You are correct in that GPGrelay requires GPG and runs as a relay. Its
been quite awhile since I converted from PGP to GPG and honestly, I
haven't missed PGP.

One thing I appreciate about GPGrelay is that both the mail in my Sent
folder and any inbound mail are decrypted. This makes text searches
possible, and eliminates the worry about keeping old expired or
revoked keys in my keyring.

Its also quite convenient having a GPG manager. No matter which mail
client I send from, recipients inlined or PGP/MIME preferences are
respected. I don't have to think about it.

J> I do prefer that TB will add back the feature they took out in V3.
J> With 1.6x version, I can do that but some of the folders created in
J> 2.x can not be seen.

I never understood why RIT removed this feature. While I can
appreciate that some people need to keep things encrypted, many of us
have our own method of securing the data. Not giving the client a
choice didn't seem prudent. In my case, it drove me to seek a 3rd
party solution.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.1 RC5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBZbR5vZSrVDqOXK0RAgrPAKC0idqmu38AN+zIImE57GghcjjrbACfaxcs
fP2KcRHHO50wOCX7iuQ5MOo=
=Eg7j
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jack,

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:21:44 -0700 (10:21 AM here), Jack [J] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

J> I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages because I don't need
J> secure storage and I would like to search the messages.

Currently as of v3.0.1 RC5 TB still does not offer an option to save
decrypted messages. If this is a major annoyance, consider using
GPGrelay. It works well here.

http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.1 RC5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBZNVwvZSrVDqOXK0RAlPeAKCfNbp5b5aVXHkgUpiGYRtZsjkbjgCgowGu
aNTVHe2MJtteD4oIeORzBR4=
=Bn6D
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Michael,

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:06:27 -0700 (1:06 AM here), Michael L. Wilson
[MLW] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MLW> I have to get off BayesIT! It learns way to slow. What do people
MLW> think of SpamPal or K9? I have tried both and like both...so,
MLW> what do others think?

I've used SpamPal for quite some time and really like it. I've
experimented with BayesIt and Bayes Filter. The plug in idea is
appealing, not having to run a relay and having the spam solution more
self contained. I never received the accuracy of SpamPal with either
of these solutions. Not to mention the stability problems that recent
BayesIt versions have had.

I use the Bayesian Filter, P2P, RegExFilter and URLBody plugins with
SpamPal. It never misclassifies good messages as spam and rarely
misses spam. On the rare miss, I can open the reclassify window to
learn the missed spam. It works very well upon initial setup.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.0.19 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBWrsavZSrVDqOXK0RAsBsAKDqt5cuALq0JdjyJCyObaewe6yZWACdH4C7
Ru3TIE1wyRRwFrbR9Sss/4Y=
=iHXd
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi JakeLM,

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:29:54 +0200 (7:29 AM here), JakeLM [J] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

K>> FreePOPS
K>> http://freepops.sourceforge.net/en/

K>> gPopper
K>> http://www.imizzy.com/gpopper/

J> One solution to keep SSL authentication ? Thanks...

There is an older version of FreePOPs that supports SSL. I used it and
it worked well. Last time I looked the newer version did not have an
SSL counterpart which is a pity.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.0.18 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBVsa1vZSrVDqOXK0RAiMDAJ0Uk3NMoch9Dk7MCPw17s50lUoL8ACfVoq7
NGl3N5WoLeNeoVJ2h3VdjzY=
=1poO
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Paul,

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:43:59 -0400 (7:43 AM here), Paul Cartwright
[PC] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> The default installation file should include the gmail.lua. It's
KC>> been working well over here and is much handier than having to
KC>> use the Gmail web interface.

PC> I didn't realize the default included gmail, so I downloaded it
PC> separately. works nice! I'm still playing around with the web
PC> interface, to setup filters and learn searches..

I believe the default also comes with plugins for Hotmail and Yahoo. I
haven't tried these, but this should offer some nice alternatives for
Batters.

I haven't spent any time with the Web interface. All of my mail
through Gmail has been encrypted, so I don't think searching would
help much. I'll be curious to to what types of advertisements I
eventually get.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.0.18 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBVsYxvZSrVDqOXK0RAlPcAJ9hfwr4vWXCxr7L+jvJF+e94vaInwCfafoZ
CUX6UU3GeTjgKFR0clQ9Cms=
=L5Ms
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Paul,

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:55:42 -0400 (1:55 PM here), Paul Cartwright
[PC] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> FreePOPS
KC>> http://freepops.sourceforge.net/en/

KC>> gPopper
KC>> http://www.imizzy.com/gpopper/

PC> wow, thanks Kevin, I thought I looked on sourceforge and didn't
PC> find anything for Gmail. freepops doesn't mention Gmail , but
PC> under the modules I see you have to download the gmail.lua . I'll
PC> try it today!

The default installation file should include the gmail.lua. It's been
working well over here and is much handier than having to use the
Gmail web interface.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.0.18 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBVlaivZSrVDqOXK0RAtCxAJ9A2o2DW0XIdjw7i39h0IcaevSpoQCfTCMh
LMOpjyPGuElkkJYAiFxjZ24=
=N2I8
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Claude,

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:30:48 +0200 (6:30 PM here), Claude Renaud [CR]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

CR> I know that it is a bit off-topic but I really would like to know
CR> how to setup a Google Mail account in the Bat! So if someone has
CR> already done this, could it give me the way to accomplish this ?

There are two way that I'm aware of.

FreePOPS
http://freepops.sourceforge.net/en/

gPopper
http://www.imizzy.com/gpopper/

Both are relays that you insert between The Bat! and Gmail. Both will
allow you to download your Gmail directly into an account that you
setup in TB. Only gPopper supports SMTP. With FreePOPs you'll have to
use an alternate method of delivery like one of the small SMTP servers
or your ISP.

- From tests that I've done recently, only FreePOPs will preserve the
message integrity allowing inlined or PGP/MIME message to be
downloaded and decrypted without difficulty. The current release of
gPopper changes the message content enough to alter PGP data. Whether
or not GPG/PGP compatibility is important, is up to you. I'm currently
using FreePOPS because I do use GPG.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.0.17 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBU3uUvZSrVDqOXK0RAuZeAKDxj4gApftGp+/VHUvhD5jLF9c55gCgpv1U
bHIJ5CGfBvmlonUrU/+pKCc=
=kVM2
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: I'm feeling left out

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi admin,

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:04:55 +0100 (5:04 PM here),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [aacu] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

aacu> I am sending messages, but no one is replying - I haven't been
aacu> ostracised for saying v3 was good, have I?

Your mail appears to be getting through, at least this one. ;)

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.0.8 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBPinVvZSrVDqOXK0RAqTIAJ42hFbcmMW3K81yJqCSfnAGRhKi8ACg0PJK
gzA1MUa6bj+UUCmuUGJm2do=
=cJwc
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Richard,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:07:46 +0500 (11:07 AM here), Richard H. Stoddard
[RHS] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

RHS> I'm going to try BayesFilter. I installed it and trained it with
RHS> a selection of SPAM and non-SPAM. (And deleted - at least for now
RHS> - BayesIt) Question - should I set all preferences in the filter
RHS> itself, or should I leave the setting for "Move to junk folder is
RHS> greater than..." in TB preferences?

For the most part, I kept the defaults in the filter itself. I did set
up a white list that included my mailing lists and my own addresses. I
changed the directory structure so BayesFilter and its logs and files
reside under /The Bat!. I found this makes it easier to clone my
notebook to my desktop using the 7zip archiver and a batch file. I
move suspected junk mail to the junk folder, rather than delete it.
This facilitates forwarding junk to SpamCop.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBPJ9gvZSrVDqOXK0RAtEFAKC30BC8YFDlIFBdkIhb5O27MZ7x7gCcCvVj
SN6beiHDyOIk8ao9Zar2FdE=
=LOg3
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Richard,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:30:50 +0500 (8:30 AM here), Richard H. Stoddard
[RHS] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

RHS> I have just upgraded to v.3 and BayesIt 0.6.01. Twice now the
RHS> connection center has hung up when downloading mail; it shows a
RHS> message received 100% but just hangs there, with the message not
RHS> showing up in the inbox.

I don't have any solutions for you Rick, but wanted to let you know
that you are not alone. I have been experiencing exactly the same
problem.

Using an alternative called Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.2, I do not
experience this problem.

http://www.lkcc.org:8500/index.php

My BayesIt problems seem to occur on larger mail polls of 100-200
messages.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBPGsEvZSrVDqOXK0RAqfRAKDlnYPSxRWTbGu5PsUlLQq7kPVSjQCg8oaS
YMHrbnXzwtpnHYWxlAn55TY=
=dAvQ
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP/MIME

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Robert,

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:53 +0300 (6:17 AM here), Robert Golovniov
[RG] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

RG>> gpg: can't open `C:\Program Files\The Bat!\batD3F2.tmp' gpg:
RG>> decrypt_message failed: file open error

RG> I am wondering whether this behavior is the result of using
RG> GPGrelay. Anyone has experience with GPGrelay-The Bat!-PGP/MIME?

I'm sorry Robert, but I missed most of this thread. I have been using
GPGrelay with The Bat! for quite some time and have never seen the
error message above. I can't even recall the last time I experienced
any problems with this combination of software.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.12.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFBCQPtvZSrVDqOXK0RAu/WAJ9euQm7db5BSwRcE6X4qxOvZ9wHlwCffAww
fHQTyLgTvtgGN3CGy+TLjI0=
=/HVs
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Tony,

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:33:48 +0200 (1:33 PM here), Tony [T] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> http://tinyurl.com/2ag9u

KC>> Check the guide and the settings I mentioned should get things
KC>> working if you're using v2.x newer of The Bat!.

T> Thanks for the URL Kevin. The settings you recommended where the
T> same as mine. So that's not the problem I think.

What options do you enabled in PGP?

T> I just checked your signature. PGP fetched the key from a key
T> server and then verified your message as valid. TB! also reports
T> this. All at just pressing the check signature in TB! v2.11 So I
T> think that shows PGP communicates properly with TB!

I guess that's good and bad news. The good news is PGP and The Bat!
seem to be working. The bad news is I never uploaded my key to the
key server. Apparently someone else did. :(

T> Are you using PGP or GnuPG?

I use GnuPG.

T> BTW (mod) can we continue discussing this here or does it belong on
T> the off-topic list?

I'm not sure but we could move it to TBOT to be safe. Feel free to
contact me off list as well.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.12 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFA015evZSrVDqOXK0RAnjaAKDTYvLWW2s2UJk4NfJ6kAyjmXHf9ACgz1I/
yquK73fH/pobYOfZJqNnPXk=
=Qb1e
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Tony,

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:19:18 +0200 (1:19 AM here), Tony [T] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> I have the current version available for download on a web page.
KC>> Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code.

T> Can you please post the URL?

http://tinyurl.com/2ag9u

T> All works fine now but not for messages I receive from a gnupg
T> generated message. PGP wants to save the messages as a file.

I don't think that I've run across that problem. Check the guide and
the settings I mentioned should get things working if you're using
v2.x newer of The Bat!.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.12 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFA0oUpvZSrVDqOXK0RAmymAKDoC0QQNACzYtfpaHJb8YHUWHWHIACghJm3
WMEjG++qfBgVhztjopkFMX8=
=v3O8
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Melissa,

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:20:02 -0700 (10:20 PM here), Melissa Reese [MR]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MR> Kevin Coates wrote up very detailed guide to using the TB/PGP
MR> integration. I do have a copy of it in my files, so if you want
MR> it, I can send it along via private email.

I have the current version available for download on a web page.
Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAzmCTvZSrVDqOXK0RAo8VAKDPTTMLgfZ+9yCO5gUrrXijnRYhPgCgtDo2
amQ17KQhPmlStLLeY3EPU9k=
=qhda
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT: How i can create a Keyserver?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi B,

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:29:42 -0400 (10:29 AM here), B R i a N S
[BRiaNS] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

BRiaNS> I see a message from Melissa Reese and her footer contains
BRiaNS> this lines.

BRiaNS> PGP public keys:
BRiaNS> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]&Body=Please%20send%20key

BRiaNS> This looks like a Keyserver, with email access?

This isn't a keyserver but a mail robot. Melissa just created a mail
account called pgp_keys on gmx. Using The Bat's filtering mechanism,
if received mail to that address contains the required Subject and
Message Body information, a copy of Melissa's public key will
automatically be e-mailed to the requester in a message from her gmx
e-mail account.

The only keys available here are Melissa's not those of others like a
typical keyserver.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAvz2WvZSrVDqOXK0RAl+3AKDqsSdU9V2L0WakL0EIMLyNKwYxCwCcC41a
Jwvox+DP+pHnBuELukqUn28=
=hpoK
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The probes have worked.

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Mary,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:49:11 -0500 (11:49 PM here), Mary Bull [MB]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MB> It would have been more than annoyance for me, if the mail from
MB> RiskFreeMail had arrived in my Inbox before I read about the
MB> problem in Marck's first post about it.

Someone was extolling the virtues of RiskFreeMail awhile back and I
took a look. Afterward I had received a couple of these C/R messages
while attempting to contact some subscribers. Because of the
background I wasn't caught off guard.

MB> The wording would have made me think tbudl's moderators had put me
MB> on hold. Depending on whether that caught me in a brave or a
MB> cowardly mood, I might have spent a sleepless night before finally
MB> asking the moderators what I had done wrong, to have my post
MB> regarded as potential junk.

I wouldn't fret about that Mary. You post often enough here and the
moderators would more than likely contact you in a more friendly
fashion if had done something unwittingly against policy.

MB> Forewarned, I put the horrid thing in its own junk folder
MB> temporarily, as I watched the developments here, and eventually I
MB> had the pleasure of seeing from Leif that everything has turned
MB> out well and the problem is taken care of.

After reading this thread I can begin to appreciate how undesirable
these C/R systems can be. While spam is definitely annoying, with
BayesIT or the many other solutions that work with The Bat!, C/R
simply isn't necessary. In this case, the solution seems worse than
the problem.

Oh, by the way, Happy Belated Birthday!!!

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAq35rvZSrVDqOXK0RAhYMAKCpT199SiiFRFWFnKObpaag4cOldACfTtSJ
GOomdPbC/M5R/Mid4K70x4k=
=YdmV
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The probes have worked.

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Leif,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:02:14 -0600 (10:02 PM here), Leif Gregory [LG]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> I have to ask  can you now disclose the purpose of the probes
KC>> and what the initial problem was? If I missed the original thread
KC>> can you point me in the right direction?

LG> A user subscribed using the RiskFreeMail.com Challenge/Response
LG> system. Either the system is incapable of, or the user didn't
LG> properly configure it to exclude list traffic from its challenges.

Thanks for the background information. I'm not a fan of the C/R
philosophy. It seems much too annoying when controlling spam can
simply be resolved by having an efficient spam filtering system. Why
place the burden of controlling one's spam on their contacts? The few
people who I've attempted to e-mail who use this method I give up on.

After reading your message, the C/R methodology appears even more
annoying than I initially thought. The fact that RiskFreeMail is
unresponsive to complaints is particularly troublesome. I can just
envision flocks of the bored setting up temporary accounts with the
sole purpose of annoying list users and moderators.

I'm glad your probes found the culprit and hope there's a way to
prevent this type of problem from surfacing again.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAqsoFvZSrVDqOXK0RAlhAAJ4oUsidf6SE79TuCZ3nU/xgYzrgvACfSGcA
nND+VSjLI5mhDOybdAGlrgA=
=nVx3
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The probes have worked.

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Leif,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:54:49 -0600 (8:54 PM here), Leif Gregory [LG]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

LG> We have discovered the true address for the user who subscribed with
LG> an improperly configured C/R system.

I have to ask  can you now disclose the purpose of the probes and
what the initial problem was? If I missed the original thread can you
point me in the right direction?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAqrucvZSrVDqOXK0RAi5OAJwMbdEYTaso6lIb3ObT4JUysSfAIwCgq4lX
JNkX98tbseHKEP+ljfvKb/A=
=luyP
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: s/mime problem

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Peter,

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:22:19 +0200 (1:22 PM here), Peter Meyns [PM]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PM> I don't really know. It seems to work as usual here. I'd
PM> scrutinize the settings in Account » Properties » General » Edit
PM> personal certificates. Your issuer's certificate should be listed
PM> there along with your own.

I've ironed out my problems but not without some difficulty. I had 7
accounts with Thawte certificates, none expired. 2 accounts seemed
functional but nothing I did could massage the other 5 back to life.
Exporting again from Windows and re-importing into The Bat! didn't
work. Then I tried re-downloading from the Thawte site. Unfortunately,
I would get errors when trying import a copy of the certificates back
into IE from the Thawte site. I'm not sure what that was about, as the
message was not very descriptive. I'm assuming it was an error on the
Thawte site.

Rather than wait for a tech support answer, I went to CACert and
requested certificates for my 7 email addresses. Everything worked
fine and I imported into IE and eventually into my accounts in The
Bat! without any difficulties.

I did find something curious when examining each account's personal
certificates. 2 accounts had both mine and the issuers certificate as
you suggested. The other 5 only showed my certificate. I sent test
messages using all the accounts and everything seems to work. I just
am curious why all the accounts don't have or seem to need the issuers
certificate in the edit window. Perhaps it finds what it needs in the
Intermediate CA or Trusted Root CA address book. I'm also wondering
why all of this stopped working in the first place. As I've always
used The Bat's internal s/mime implementation, all the Cert
information should be independent of the Windows Cert store so any
problems shouldn't be Windows related. I've never changed the account
properties for the Certs since the last time when they were working.

Oh well, everything is working now. Let's hope it stays that way. Its
no wonder why I stick to PGP. :)

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.10.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAk6aPvZSrVDqOXK0RAn7gAJ9LvRQbts6uNZ4ZyRWh9Z5297rKIQCfWbOn
Idj3aHP5POJy4G8/NFIXLvU=
=h423
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: s/mime problem

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Peter,

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:22:19 +0200 (1:22 PM here), Peter Meyns [PM]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PM> I don't really know. It seems to work as usual here. I'd
PM> scrutinize the settings in Account » Properties » General » Edit
PM> personal certificates. Your issuer's certificate should be listed
PM> there along with your own.

Thanks for the reply. I have the cert working for this account but not
the others. The strange thing is they are all issued from the same
source at the same time.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.10.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAkuAvvZSrVDqOXK0RAn0iAJkBoUdrx5xPVntkDeqOmktdmhF8WQCgwpnl
cJ7PGArxJ5PMohArUOx/JTw=
=3Cwo
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

s/mime problem

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I don't use s/mime that often, but last time I checked, several Bat
versions ago, it worked for the 6 account that I had certificates
installed. My certificates haven't expired and should be valid. I use
the The Bat's internal implementation.

Now my certs don't work and viewing displays:

"This S/MIME certificate is invalid
The issuer of this certificate chain was not found"

Can someone suggest where to proceed?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.10.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAkoXzvZSrVDqOXK0RAgisAKCDRY6CQ5a1iKCXY1PnJA1V9NjeFQCgqZjh
NcnWqgHObDehH1zzewkURpc=
=hfbh
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Synchronizing Desktop with Notebook

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Julian,

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:20:01 + (10:20 AM here), Julian Beach
(Lists) [JBL] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JBL> The other thing to remember to TB! synch is that it is one way each
JBL> time...

If I understand you correctly, in order to synchronize fully I must
initiate the synchronise from the notebook then when done initiate it
again from the desktop.

After doing the above, most of the accounts on each system have the
same number of messages. The are a couple that are off by 2 or 3
messages. I wonder why that is?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAXEa4vZSrVDqOXK0RAsBLAJ9RAwXyfEr8fZbMPjIK8uG6jqDkSQCeIgqW
ww2OdttZcsfrD/r41CHT5lE=
=usmL
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Synchronizing Desktop with Notebook

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi cs4l,

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:18:50 +0100 (2:18 AM here), cs4l [c] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

c> You could use both machines to read email, and with synchronize,
c> you could then transfer the messages which have been read on one
c> machine to the other machine, thus keeping both mail databases in
c> sync.

Ah, I think I understand now. So I needn't worry which machine I
download mail with as long as I synchronize periodically. Thanks for
the explanation.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAWwaCvZSrVDqOXK0RAlSiAJwLa7qUV6fp73kBH1FkwTG6+XSRugCgnFzk
jq2fNuJuTpiS4kTdc10ZpvY=
=borx
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Synchronizing Desktop with Notebook

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I've been trying to figure out the best way to keep my desktop and
notebook in synch. I've tried The Bat's "Synchronise" feature, but its
multiple steps seems tedious compared to simply using the built in
backup and restore feature. Am I missing something here? What are the
advantages of the "Synchronise" option?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAWoarvZSrVDqOXK0RAjJsAKD0HwbfCBre15hrrVgujRnu3/E3VACcCX8c
y1dKy24O5bDhutWUYg0ATuk=
=fy+9
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Gmane can break PGP sigs

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Allie,

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:58:24 -0500 (12:58 PM here), Allie Martin [AM]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> Below are snippets from the beginning of each message showing the
KC>> alteration.

AM> That's the address encryption working.

I find the "mid:"; info useful when reading replies, but the gmane
encryption breaks the sigs. It will be interesting to see how others
handle this. I always liked this feature in The Bat.

I suppose that I could use pgp/mime like you have here and then the
gmane message wouldn't display the broken pgp signature. BTW, I
thought that pgp/mime was only allowed in the TBBeta Yahoo Group. Has
this changed?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAUp05vZSrVDqOXK0RAuWpAJ93Ub/MKp2xemeD9F6hx2k1OdgGHwCeNiqj
iqll99Fp4dBa4ajnkfkmZJM=
=8feu
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Gmane can break PGP sigs

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I noticed my reply to a message that I posted here when echoed to the
gmane newsgroup does not verify anymore due to address string
alterations. I understand why this is happening, its just something
that caught me by surprise. Below are snippets from the beginning of
each message showing the alteration.

==on gmane==
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:18:06 + (UTC) (10:18 AM here), Joseph N.
[JN] wrote in <mid:Xns94AA5EA186FF1jbn10161-A/[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


==on TBUDL==
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:18:06 + (UTC) (10:18 AM here), Joseph N.
[JN] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAUeYFvZSrVDqOXK0RAqFMAKDHeowc6eoCPsP/pA6IxCpwTNdDYgCeMpNX
9N0L3QUMu7KvXjt1SVJHMnM=
=YMup
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Bayesit and SpamPal

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Joseph,

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:18:06 + (UTC) (10:18 AM here), Joseph N.
[JN] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JN> I've been happy using SpamPal and some plug-ins, including the
JN> Bayesian filter, with TB! Is there any reason I should consider
JN> switching to Bayesit?

I also use SpamPal with the Bayesian and URLBody plugins. Out of
curiosity, I switched to the BayesIT plugin for awhile (2 months). It
took about a week or so before it was trained sufficiently to detect
spam. After another couple of weeks it was successfully intercepting
most of the spam with no false positives. Every so often polling for
mail would hang but temporarily disabling BayesIT would resolve the
problem, so I think there was a definite correlation. It was
convenient not having to run another relay like SpamPal, as everything
was almost self contained with The Bat!/BayesIT combo. In spite of
this advantage, I still went back to SpamPal. I think SpamPal's
additional advantage of using DNSBL public blacklists makes the
difference between catching most of the spam vs all of the spam. I've
never had any false positives with SpamPal either. For me, SpamPal
seems to be a more thorough solution.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.05 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAUdu5vZSrVDqOXK0RAgSGAKDTyQ9jJsv5y6obxPacyTW+oG5OLgCggxlE
Q3zBaQkAm9bnxzG7r2oc+TU=
=8Ty9
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Peter,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:17:02 +0100 (10:17 AM here), Peter Meyns [PM]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PM> My only workaround as yet is to c&p the decrypted message to the
PM> Memo field which isn't too elegant... ;-) .

I did some experimenting and found that you can export a PGP encrypted
message (either inlined or pgp/mime) to a file in the Unix mailbox
format.

Edit the exported file with a text editor and _cut_ the PGP portions
to the clipboard where you can use GPG or PGP Tray to decrypt it.

Paste the decrypted text back into the exported file and save your
changes. Then you can use the Tools menu to import the updated Unix
file back into the message base.

The end result is a decrypted message complete with the kludges.

Although this method is certainly more labor intensive than using the
Memo field, it produces what I wish The Bat! could do automatically.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.47 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAFVFZvZSrVDqOXK0RAlYmAJ94LKVmeWSPGZ2zeDgkP1uwmQ9r9gCg9J8Q
jhA31utww35NnZfzKpHb724=
=6lQm
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Peter,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:17:02 +0100 (10:17 AM here), Peter Meyns [PM]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PM> My only workaround as yet is to c&p the decrypted message to the
PM> Memo field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to
PM> support my related wish:

PM> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168

Thank you, I have added my note to your BugTracking entry.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.47 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAFRsLvZSrVDqOXK0RAicyAJ9Xvqcd5BYMPgk8LhDoyW2gZY4BmgCg1416
xvCw5dPEOZPt5r6GDIM/U7Q=
=/9v4
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I wish that The Bat! could optionally save decrypted pgp messages
while keeping the original kludges.

Does anyone have a macro that can do this or something similar?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.47 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAE8YuvZSrVDqOXK0RApxtAKDMBn+pvXUiLH29JG+QHTllCwbs6QCfWq4z
pd2GAY28dH/07kCcE06w1Bg=
=xXky
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Notebook Synchronizing

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Bill,

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:04:48 -0500 (8:04 AM here), Bill Blinn
Technology Editor [BBTE] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

BBTE> Thanks, Kevin! You not only mentioned a step that I omitted
BBTE> (BCCs to myself of messages that I want to store on the main
BBTE> computer) but you also provided a macro I can use.

Hehehe .. actually you can thank Gerrit but the suggestions given here
are most helpful.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAEU+3vZSrVDqOXK0RAkceAKDgZ4pSj5g9TZVVv3/NjqoDmg73cQCfUN1V
a9iMXsCrw/21F/b+NN6MdBU=
=DwYi
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Notebook Synchronizing

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Gerrit,

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:55:46 +0100 (7:55 AM here), Gerrit Kiers [GK]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

GK> Bill's solution does not solve instances when you send mail from the
GK> notebook. I use the following set-up to cover for that.

Thank you so much. I'm still in the process of installing the
essentials (AV, firewall, misc utils, pgp) but will save your message
and incorporate your suggestions soon.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAEU3DvZSrVDqOXK0RAou3AKDBFwGXqrzyxOtNwlEUERyhvFsH8ACg/LkE
wNGVkaCyz8HPU5EXMImDxiE=
=TS5r
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Notebook Synchronizing

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Bill,

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:11:58 -0500 (4:11 PM here), Bill Blinn
Technology Editor [BBTE] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

BBTE> At 3:46 PM on 1/22/2004, Kevin Coates typed ...

K>> I just purchased a laptop and would like to install The Bat! on
K>> it. . Can anyone provide some strategies for synchronizing the
K>> two?

BBTE> I choose one machine as "master" (my home desktop). When I
BBTE> retrieve mail there, I remove it from the server. When I
BBTE> retrieve mail using the notebook or from the office, I leave
BBTE> mail on the server until I dump it from the trash

Thanks for sharing your solution. I will try that and also take a look
at the built in synchronizing feature that Marten mentioned.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAEKCLvZSrVDqOXK0RAph9AJ9gwTxFyFxaWp3gHJ4O3O8xs4F7zQCggg5a
B50tGWq5WfCgxPyaQv+dgPI=
=WQnE
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Notebook Synchronizing

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I just purchased a laptop and would like to install The Bat! on it. I
normally use my desktop machine, but would like to have the capability
to read and answer my mail from either system. My ISP does not offer
IMAP. Can anyone provide some strategies for synchronizing the two?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFAEDarvZSrVDqOXK0RAs37AJ9aSN6B6uBewQ1Wy9Um7jQZyniSOACgvwax
dO+KkVl8qk/wA9jI2OOkfmQ=
=0PuD
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Losing place when new mail arrives

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

When reading unread messages in a folder, my place gets lost when new
mail arrives in that folder if automatic downloading is configured.
Its quite time consuming to try and find the message I was reading as
it is flagged as read and lost from view.

Ideally it would be nice if the message being viewed stayed in the
preview pane when new messages arrive. If this can't be done, perhaps
temporarily suspending automated downloads for the account in focus
until the focus is moved to another account would help. This may not
be desirable if a person has only one email account, so a
configuration switch would be helpful.

Just a thought.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03 Beta/25 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/8x5LvZSrVDqOXK0RAl7dAKCJyl+Iw5zsWKx++iAlzcUNPtWrngCcDQrQ
qqXYy8clnavoS0yJFHag7a8=
=fRB2
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


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Re: The Bat! Christmas Discount Suggestion

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Martin,

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:48:35 + (11:48 AM here), Martin Webster
[MW] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MW> Returning to Kevin's original post... it would be improper to buy
MW> a discounted licence for someone else off the back of your own
MW> registration.

That was my concern. I understand that I could always buy a full
priced version for someone else. I was hoping RIT would offer a
specific discount for that.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.16 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/5gonvZSrVDqOXK0RAh0qAKCoEAKbK3VCP8ikuzeF8C6exyygfwCgjI89
fhXDSPxAuq6Pseb14eCsOqI=
=8Mbe
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


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http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The Bat! Christmas Discount Suggestion

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:32:41 +0700 (10:32 AM here), Thomas Fernandez
[TF] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> What I would like to see is a discount for current registered users
>> so they can buy discounted copies of The Bat! for Christmas gifts
>> to their friends and associates.

TF> But that is possible! Purchase a key by using your credit card,
TF> and forward the key to the lucky receiver of your gift on
TF> Christmas.

Is that legal and would they then be qualified for future upgrades and
customer support on their own?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.16 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/5cC3vZSrVDqOXK0RAgg6AJ0T92aBcfRLXzlkfsjG+d92c/LRegCeNvSL
tjOBpJu5QRi5mDyfX+D07ug=
=SNCO
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
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The Bat! Christmas Discount Suggestion

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

The Christmas Special letter seems to be geared towards current users
upgrading their copy of The Bat!.

Many of us have already done so. What I would like to see is a
discount for current registered users so they can buy discounted
copies of The Bat! for Christmas gifts to their friends and
associates. This would help promote The Bat!, the Christmas spirit,
and give friends something they will enjoy.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.16 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/5bofvZSrVDqOXK0RAu8mAJ0cwCKqRhPk63lW+XfrEnzGWyGI+gCffAZz
06K5ysntmuknucRMBvRw6YU=
=wHmp
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Chris,

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:13:16 -0500 (7:13 PM here), Chris [C] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


>> As I found out recently, don't use a period (.) as that will render
>> invalid signatures for some mail software.

C> That might actually be a SMTP problem  So, a
C> period on a line by itself tells the server that you are done with
C> the message.

Thanks for the url and the expanation. Needless to say, I removed the
period after tracing down the problem.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/4k8uvZSrVDqOXK0RAtGBAJ930ebYLj9Oi7uwzktoFg/D8I5JJgCg+Jr0
ATlAJ5SCzrnKCSZwz2HM2aE=
=4zFm
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Marck,

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:31:41 + (6:31 PM here), Marck D Pearlstone
[MDP] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MDP> I just use the single quote ' character. What's that .. an ASCII
MDP> 39. Use whatever you want really.

As I found out recently, don't use a period (.) as that will render
invalid signatures for some mail software.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.03.11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/4jFDvZSrVDqOXK0RAtFGAKDr/q0jc8rNzmi0Jd/NetsVXy/lZgCfV8LO
vFBi/0oFitm/E90e/igHGlM=
=qsL+
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: baysian problems

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi alists,

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:47:44 -0800 (11:47 AM here),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [awc] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

awc> Ever since i installed the spam plugin baysian, my connection
awc> center seems to hang up occasionally. I have to bring up task
awc> manager and terminate the Bat.. and restart it.

I had this happen occasionally with the BayesIT plugin. When it
occurred. I had to kill The Bat! just like you.

Aside from that occasional problem, BayesIT worked fairly well. It
never classified spam incorrectly, but would occasionally miss new
spam until trained. Now that the spammers are adding new words to
confuse Bayesian filters, the amount of spam to be trained is
increasing. I found this inconvenient.

To make a long story short, I went back to the SpamPal that I had used
previously. I think that SpamPal's DNSBL lists filtering in
conjunction with its Bayesian and URL Body plug-ins is more effective
in intercepting almost everything. The net result is less work for me.
I also don't have the hang up problem that I did experience with
BayesIT.

The downside is that you have to run another relay and the self
contained nature of the BayesIT plug-in (easy to backup within the
bat) is lost.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.02.3 CE under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/21VivZSrVDqOXK0RAk/kAKDJj3ycW7vBsY3264xQ60DL3ng4WQCeOuVf
cIG79vIrpkUIzxcWNW7R2Eo=
=F4Dd
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Is everyone having problems with CE?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jack,

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:12:52 -0600 (1:12 PM here), Jack Morrison [JM]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JM> Okay, I may have found another one. I just downloaded and
JM> installed the CE and now I can't PRINT a message! Not in any view.

JM> Can anyone else confirm this?

I just printed your message, so everything works okay over here.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.02.3 CE under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/2LpZvZSrVDqOXK0RAjhfAKCxbS9DXirZWII9veDNbuP02dEIrgCgpT+1
+NN1IYw56+JTIslLrolFqZw=
=HM/q
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi MAU,

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:53:36 +0100 (5:53 PM here), MAU [M] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

M> Create an Outgoing filter that moves from Outbox to Trash messages that
M> include: 

Thank you ... I've got it under control now. ;)

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.49 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/wVKNRbTFvUNHmLkRAvJGAKCCCi10FzuQ9lpKUAD34jgDCfrTbACfTFF1
Ryqmx440bbZ71L6g/7/y8So=
=7Eu7
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Marck,

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:27:12 + (3:27 PM here), Marck D Pearlstone
[MDP] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MDP> I just tested it here and it seems to work well.

I'd keep the original spam for bayesian training (via moving with your
filter) but the forwards to SpamCop in my Sent Mail folder I can do
without. Is there a way of doing this?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.49 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/wTCHRbTFvUNHmLkRAsaPAKCMqViCtsm4Ns1//OlEpiMAldtGmACgpQ3W
526syUePf0PAZgsmnoQ10G8=
=SF6H
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Matt,

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:48:12 -0800 (11:48 AM here), Matt Thoene [MT]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MT> Wouldn't this make TB an attractive tool to spammers? I don't mind
MT> the suppression part, but the ability to make it look like it came
MT> from any other mail client would be troublesome.

I believe that the spammers already have this capability. The majority
of the spam I receive claims to be generated with Outlook or Outlook
Express. Perhaps they prefer an email client more HTML oriented.

As The Bat! is already considered by some as a spammer's tool (url
below) I really don't think that it makes a difference. I just wonder
why Outlook or OE isn't considered in the same category.

In any event, filtering spam based on x-mailer or user-agent headers
isn't an effective way to combat spam. Perhaps if more email clients
allowed x-mailer "adjustments" this ridiculous banning based solely on
email client used would be eliminated.

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.49 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/v5okRbTFvUNHmLkRAn96AKCtb4eIYvfsAiZ8tjOzxHRZrrmpLgCg0Her
X33QfXvGpWgMNuJt0DEJrtc=
=hvow
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: No default secred key error??

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Edgar,

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:57:22 +0100 (1:57 AM here), Edgar [E] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

E> No, just one entry. And I now know it's not only when I change the
E> reply-address to bird-pix but to any address starting with an a-n
E> the addresses starting with p-z will bring up the right key pass
E> phrase.

I'm wondering if your problem is some sort of template bug. With a
simple template I suspect your problem wouldn't occur.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/vhtXRbTFvUNHmLkRAsYoAJ4yZdezu8EHbVMIPf1f0BznMCrF8QCfRoeY
NFXvc3dI10bpHX8ruIMaQnU=
=3XQ7
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: No default secred key error??

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Edgar,

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:50:16 +0100 (7:50 AM here), Edgar [E] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

E> I've traced it to the reply-to address. When I change this address
E> from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get
E> the same error.

Is it possible that you have more than one address book entry for
bird-pix?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/vXbaRbTFvUNHmLkRAgAcAKCcwbo2l4UX8rdrpiNaiqoVM+EQIACghFbD
JWdU5xXnGtfoKsd/+ZvKBkM=
=vDTY
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Custom headers?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Geordon,

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:12:26 -0600 (CST) (1:12 PM here), Geordon
VanTassle [GV] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

GV> Can someon etell me how I can add custome mail headers to my
GV> outgoing mail?  I would like to use Habeus headers ..

I'm not sure what "Habeus headers" are but you can create customized
header this way:

"Options|Preferences|Message Headers" Menu

Press the Add button

In the pop up box

Display this header field as=X-blablabla
RFC Name=x-blablabla
This field is an address list=off
Allow to edit this field in the Message Editor=on
Display this field on the scrollable part of the header pane=on

Save your changes

In your New Message and Reply Templates (on either account, group,
address book level), place the following:

%SETHEADER("X-blablabla","this is the blablabla displayed data")%-


If you would like to see this header if its contained in a message in
your preview pane Header Box, go to "View|Message Headers" and place a
check by your newly created header.

Good luck.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/vREERbTFvUNHmLkRAiX7AKCqT+1EGqi/u+n5yFH/HHGc7PXESACdGYu8
XYy/uxChBuwpQmj15qozZ70=
=9efP
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Mark,

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:23:16 +0100 (10:23 AM here), Mark Partous [MP]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MP> Yes, no problem, neither with folder templates. It's only in a
MP> Quick Template, used for Mass Mailing that it doesn't work.

I'm not using that method, but it looks like an outstanding bug. The
RITLabs Bugtracking System has this entry:

http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=393

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/swa9RbTFvUNHmLkRAo9BAKCHHyD5i+LKn11ucaSrAB/QTnCzbQCgqbnX
tFBlWOZnAGYAYGpdIOSt01A=
=bd/f
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Automated message: Subscription verification request

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Alain,

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:53:52 +0100 (4:53 PM here), Alain de Gevigney
[AdG] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

AdG> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 at 22:48:31 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:48
AdG> where I live) you wrote:

>> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE.

Whoopsie ... folder template run amok.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/suv5RbTFvUNHmLkRAhIfAKC/rC+Kh3sEyQawZDX++7VhtrHwUgCfd6yF
ySDdcssu6EjcaCmLDnZtWqc=
=jtIs
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Base64 problem solved

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Kitty,

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:45:16 -0600 (11:45 AM here), Kitty [K] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

K> Finally, Marck suggested that perhaps something was corrupted in
K> the offending account and suggested deleting that account.

I'm glad to see your problem was resolved. Its an unusual one that I
haven't seen mentioned before. With any luck its one that won't happen
to anyone else. I'm glad you posted the solution just in case that
problems occurs again. Marck and Allie certainly deserve the highest
praise for all the time and effort they spend supporting these groups
and helping others.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/sqTQRbTFvUNHmLkRAs6kAKDvCeVVk0MDA80deNE+MJmQFo/2ZACfcbjx
1rEbTWiSrKqVmvIbzBxV64g=
=zDLx
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Mark,

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:12:36 +0100 (7:12 AM here), Mark Partous [MP]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MP> %NOPGPMIME%-
MP> %USEPGP%-
MP> %SIGNCOMPLETE%-

MP> but nothing is signed.
MP> What am i doing wrong?

Is signing manually via the Privacy menu successful? The macros seem
to work here. Perhaps there is something else in your template that is
interfering with these macros?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/skj/RbTFvUNHmLkRAu09AKDwNDvo8kDpsjgJRWp/zqQn/Eir5ACfa0dL
LdGawXdjaBtYHskOJYvnbO0=
=4fZp
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: A small cosmetic template question...

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jim,

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:36:41 -0500 (3:36 PM here), Jim Dever [JD] wrote
in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JD> I'd love to have a blank line or 2 after the "mailto" and the PGP
JD> Sig header... any idea how to get it there??

Stick a small unobtrusive character after your signature. I use a
period.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/qs9bRbTFvUNHmLkRAv/5AKCvEUPiQCUMdZ3mblihmE/Q6EjmVACg8+iD
WdBy/Otgsqr0UnUJpgq1IXE=
=PHIm
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP: tab in E-mail

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Peter,

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:42:26 -0500 (1:42 PM here), Peter Kerekes [PK]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PK>  Occasionaly I have an extra tab ... Why do I get this?

The attachment is the footer that gets added to all messages posted
here from the mailing list server. It shows up as an attachment on
pgp/mime signed messages. This is normal.

PK> Why do I get this extra tab sometimes but not other times?

Again the extra tab is from the mime attachment. Inlined signed
messages do not display this.

PK> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu. (it stays here for a long time, maybe
PK> hangs) although I have identified other servers.

I don't think it cycles the servers and only uses the first one.
Somebody correct me if this is wrong.

PK> The only person I cannot find is Stefan, any time I try it BAT
PK> hangs up. It appears on my key-manager that he has an RSA key. Is
PK> this which causes me a problem?

Some versions of pgp didn't have rsa support. You didn't specify which
version of pgp you use. This link might help:

http://www.mccune.cc/PGPpage2.htm#RSAsupport

I'm not sure if I understand the part about Stefan's key. If you need
it look below, if its on your key ring but can't be used, perhaps the
url above will help.

http://horowitz.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0xE8101BFD

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/qqmYRbTFvUNHmLkRAoQVAKCvrd+Q9xfJfFB0CHfkYMPNu0wwkACgj6wN
unBkJxZz+Hw9lL1OUyA/9aE=
=zXkR
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP - Checking Signature

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Gerard,

On Oct 26, 2003, 17:20 +0100 ( 11:20 AM here), Gerard [G] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

KC>> To display the kludges press either Ctrl-Shift-K or F9 while
KC>> viewing this message. The url after the "X-Request-PGP:" line is
KC>> where you need to point your browser.

G> Hi Kevin, That´s a neat trick. Worked like a charm even the import
G> button :-)

I can't take credit for the web page which was downloaded from the
Files area of the Yahoo PGP-Basics home page. That's a good mailing
list for those interested in learning how to use pgp.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGP-Basics/

The headers are created by GPGrelay, which is the relay I use to
handle all of my pgp functions.

http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html

The Bat! can create the same custom headers with some limitations. The
most significant being a limit the length of the custom header, so
long lines for url paths may truncate. I hope they fix that.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.7 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/nDAxRbTFvUNHmLkRAgPyAJ4o0WkckLfM5gJyBN1bjDFBVaAisgCdGkOy
NxNogjvkNIOLpkgViBCELtY=
=o8ZN
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP - Checking Signature

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Gerard,

On Oct 26, 2003, 12:23 +0100 ( 6:23 AM here), Gerard [G] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

G> I tried to verify your key and the response from the server was no
G> name but a HEX number as signer.

I'm guessing that your pgp software is trying to download my key from
a keyserver. My key isn't available on a keyserver (on purpose) but is
available for download on a web page (see signature line below).

To display the kludges press either Ctrl-Shift-K or F9 while viewing
this message. The url after the "X-Request-PGP:" line is where you
need to point your browser.

G> Also there is a Logo infront showing a pencil with a no parking
G> sign. Is therea list with the meaning of all these little logo´s?

That's probably the result of not having my key to verify the
signature with. I'm not aware of any on-line reference for the icons.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.7 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/m9OURbTFvUNHmLkRApR1AKDC8tc0TswaYkNFb3/3LPWMYL88jQCgpoXp
767FfwUyY3/XMLE4F0aEuhE=
=cPjp
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP - Checking Signature

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Gerard,

On Oct 25, 2003, 23:06 +0200 ( 5:06 PM here), Gerard [G] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

G> I am pretty new to PGP, but I understand your point and will keep
G> this in mind for future signing of keys.

In my case I'll sign all keys locally either with GnuPG or PGP but
*never* upload any key but my own to the key servers and *never*
distribute any key but my own via email or any other method. I think
this is the best method to prevent "stepping on anyone's toes."

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.7 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/mvfNRbTFvUNHmLkRAuDuAJ0Rx9i5+40g+8+8eWEXD4TtaAE7EwCg6Doq
TkDZ0eYKauaH/A3CELD3R8A=
=WIms
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Richard,

On Oct 21, 2003, 21:08 +0100 ( 4:08 PM here), Richard Wakeford [RW]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

RW> Thanks for all your help and I really think I'm getting there. If
RW> this message is signed I'll even have got my templates working
RW> properly!

Looks good over here, Richard.

gpg: Signature made 10/21/03 16:08:08 Eastern Daylight Time using DSA key ID CA93B5BE
gpg: Good signature from "Richard Wakeford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
gpg:     aka "[jpeg image of size 5290]"

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01.3 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/lZ+qRbTFvUNHmLkRAmN8AJ9ZCuBlMQx3DQifnZ9GCQId0WmfiwCfTvOg
/e6k4xZqHtl9Eya/dpr6S0s=
=Ri13
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Header Word Wrapping

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Marck,

On Oct 19, 2003, 16:09 +0100 ( 11:09 AM here), Marck D Pearlstone
[MDP] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MDP> There is already a bug report on this in the BT.

I must have missed the original messages.

MDP> The presence of an email address without chevrons causes the
MDP> following CR/LF to disappear.

Now that you mention it, I can see that's exactly what is happening.
Thanks for the info.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/kwsJRbTFvUNHmLkRAgMBAJ0Ut1hTB9pjkaCQkaHNKyndtHhzQgCgnA6w
FgFaVpe/xq6hHm+RiMpzccM=
=Ix22
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Open PGP Problem

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1


On Oct 18, 2003, 13:19, Kevin Coates [KC] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I'm going to answer myself because I'm very bored. :) Actually,
something strange is happening and I can't figure it out.

KC> This leads me to believe that there is a problem using GnuPG RSA
KC> keys with The Bat's open pgp handler.

After writing the last message, I disabled my newly created DSA test
key and re-enabled my problematic RSA key. The strange thing is, the
RSA key started working. Go figure.

During the midst of this testing I intentionally deleted /The
Bat!/MAIL/PGP.INI file which is where I thought cached pgp pass
phrases resided. I did this to ensure an old pass phrase wasn't
causing my problem. I still had the problem even after restarting The
Bat!, so that didn't appear to be the cure.

Now the "gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available" problem
seems resolved, but I would like to understand why it occurred in the
first place, and what fixed it. By the lack of responses here, I'm
assuming nobody else has experienced this problem.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/kqZdRbTFvUNHmLkRAqtOAJ4k6iJQNa90h30iX1c4zr/DW+WTMACdEpr6
ha7i33TRiuPjCQSdzpSMJ7I=
=zs22
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Header Word Wrapping

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I've noticed that the header information when displayed with
Ctrl-Shift-K when using "Rich Text/HTML Viewer" mode seems to word
wrap the header information. The F9 viewer still looks okay. For
example, this:

X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Confirm-Reading-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disposition-Notification-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Return-Receipt-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kevin Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (No subject yet)

Now looks like this:

X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Confirm-Reading-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kevin 
Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (No subject yet)

I don't recall it being this way in previous version.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/kpFdRbTFvUNHmLkRAo8WAJ9iiHJgmx89gWcW52Ro+xBApeyCAgCbBl6P
bMJCkImSw5pCWT2NEmQ9Suc=
=wZ8x
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Open PGP Problem

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

Normally I use GPGrelay to handle pgp functions but while
experimenting with The Bat's built in open pgp support I have been
experiencing a problem. Specifically this error message appears when
attempting to sign or encrypt and sign:

gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
gpg: [stdin]: sign+encrypt failed: secret key not available

This occurs using GnuPG. I installed the key into PGP 8.0.2 and
selected that PGP version in The Bat! and no problems occurred signing
or encrypting.

This problem only occurred in 1 of my several email accounts. They all
have different keys. The only difference I noticed was that the key on
the problematic account is an RSA key. I temporarily disabled that key
and created a DSA key with the same email address. The Bat! encrypted
and signed without a problem.

This leads me to believe that there is a problem using GnuPG RSA keys
with The Bat's open pgp handler.

Has anyone experienced anything similar or have any comments or
suggestions?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/kXYMRbTFvUNHmLkRAj9BAJ0V8gsiln4AjWxYiHA4pVgRXK6GqACdFP4P
vPGjRTUdvQC5uJpXCK1fezc=
=zszo
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Is this how you do it [PGP]

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi John,

On Oct 16, 2003, 16:28 -0500 ( 5:28 PM here), John Morse [JM] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JM> Is this message signed? I think I got it working, but it seems a
JM> little troublesome having to enter a password for every message
JM> you send using it.

Signature looks good here.

gpg: Signature made 10/16/03 17:28:58 Eastern Daylight Time using DSA key ID 514131D3
gpg: Good signature from "John Morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

If you check the store passphrase button, all the data should be
pre-entered for you next time around.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.01 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/kCq1RbTFvUNHmLkRAkMjAKCqTAtoHMypZzi2WCD4RuSUf0PNBgCdFkUo
8ydxG6vki1nlD8ZDu62qUJA=
=eLKH
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: MyGate 2.5

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Andrew,

On Sep 30, 2003, 19:59 +0300 (12:59 PM here), Andrew Perevodchik [AP]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

AP> Check out, if numbers of X-MyGate-MID are the same in duplicate
AP> messages. This header is added by MyGate 2.5, so I hope you have
AP> some recently-recieved dupes.

Here are the X-MyGate-MID entries contained in 3 duplicate messages
from 3 different usenet groups:

X-MyGate-MID: roadrunner.twcny.help:241
X-MyGate-MID: roadrunner.twcny.help:241

X-MyGate-MID: roadrunner.twcny.security:41
X-MyGate-MID: roadrunner.twcny.security:41

X-MyGate-MID: roadrunner.twcny.general:6767
X-MyGate-MID: roadrunner.twcny.general:6767

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.22 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/emoRRbTFvUNHmLkRAkDWAJ4sg4i+DfVDmRiPTF5jF0ls2kvgMwCfcafs
OrBJ471ejGLdQWt7FYucxX4=
=Pqje
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: MyGate 2.5

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Andrew,

On Sep 30, 2003, 19:59 +0300 (12:59 PM here), Andrew Perevodchik [AP]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

AP> I have those tmps too. Can anyone confirm that those are because
AP> of MyGate? Strange thing is that MyGate doesn't use any temp files
AP> in tmp folder and is not supposed to affect TB behaviour at all,
AP> cause it runs as a separate task...

I just tried another test. The results were rather strange. I started
downloading and my temp folder went from 6 files to 6032 after the
download. These are bat.tmp files, all zero bytes. During the
download it said there were 17.7 megs of messages. After the download
I had 64 new messages all text (no binaries) and certainly not 17 megs
worth of data.

The Bat! has been downloading mail to the other accounts for an hour
or so before the test so the tmp files must be from the MyGate process
as that is configured to run manually.

I do have this account in The Bat! configured to delete downloaded
messages from the server.

I will check the X-MyGate-MID on the dups with the next download.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.22 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/emR6RbTFvUNHmLkRAttEAKDV2EU3bBIyb9oX/5ioDLPza3opkACePfhB
yREONUceO9S/sEzWeNfv76c=
=FiFo
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: MyGate 2.5

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Andrew,

On Sep 24, 2003, 21:30 +0300 (2:30 PM here), Andrew Perevodchik [AP]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I installed v2.5 and am able to download and post successfully.
However, I have been encountering some problems.

In MyGate I am only subscribing to a few low traffic groups specific
to my hosting ISP. The retention in these groups is quite long because
there is so little traffic. I believe some of these posts are 2 years
old.

My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages,
MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is
because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from
Sept of last year. (Running The Bat! Folder Maintenance finds these
dups and deletes them.)

I also noticed that the "c:\documents and settings\user\local
settings\temp" directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of
bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this
I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail
as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still
retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished.

Has anyone else reported something similar? Any suggestions?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.22 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/eZ8lRbTFvUNHmLkRAj/JAJ979IYzBpA0KU/6mHn29dNEo25r1wCg3ANJ
I2oRe4d0mf1THQcS/JtTz7o=
=MEWl
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Temp Files

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Edgar,

On Sep 26, 2003, 22:30 +0200 (4:30 PM local time), Edgar [E] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

E> are about 119 temp files from TB! for the last 3 days, still in my
E> temp directory.

Save yourself some frustration and use this freeware utility Empty
Temp Folders. You can empty the many directories of garbage windows
creates with a simple mouse click.

http://www.danish-shareware.dk/soft/emptemp/index.html

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/dN+2RbTFvUNHmLkRAkZpAJwJb0jzGgaFH3aLP6lwYF/+9iXQiQCfafCv
NUJiV5qQQMyeQWmMILINCug=
=41Lx
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Mark,

On Sep 23, 2003, 16:03 +0100 (11:03 AM local time), Mark L [ML] wrote
in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

ML> I also tried using the SETHEADER/ADDHEADER macros in TB since I
ML> used them to set an X-PGP-Request header but they didn't work for
ML> X-Mailer.

Perhaps the capability to modify the X-Mailer header should be added.
Its unfortunate that some poorly implemented spam software has
erroneously categorized The Bat! I can understand how RIT is proud of
their product and would prefer to have it announced in the header, but
knowing that email can be blocked because of it certainly can't help
sales. The Bat! is powerful enough to do many things, having to run a
utility like Xray to ensure your mail gets through, seems an
unnecessary burden on the user.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/cGmYRbTFvUNHmLkRAukPAKCZJI0FdkLy3QjcEoMXGX/ALX/7vACgn9Nb
xVpH1jEBtTuxhl78bPsPbcs=
=biHe
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP and attached files

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Sean,

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 07:43 (+1000 GMT), Sean Stark [SS]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

SS> But then the recipient (who is using Outlook-2000) gets an email
SS> that has has a completely empty body and 2 attachments. (called
SS> ATT31902.ATT, and ATT31903.ATT).

Outlook doesn't support pgp/mime. I've experimented with it and found
the only way to get Outlook to work with pgp/mime is to use GPGrelay.
Then all is well. This would require the recipient having both
GPGrelay and GnuPG installed. Another alternative is sending pgp
messages signed/encrypted in-line. Any attached files would have to be
encrypted manually, which is rather cumbersome.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/aHDtRbTFvUNHmLkRApyBAKCUGK07A3mSgGo4ogFquZFPKRLdXwCgoyvR
W3sh8Z9qYgNXoQ3p3QmptdQ=
=JzJL
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: TB v2 strange behavior

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Thomas,

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 08:15 (+0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez
[TF] wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

TF> suggest you check the bugtracker whether this bug is really
TF> reported there, and add it if not.

I took a peek and found this reference - 0001665

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/ZnR/RbTFvUNHmLkRAl0AAJkBzJxX+MKJp527p1UM37T3930eSwCfZxEL
o/sqcB4RqRUTo8zkoJhPOUs=
=z9ji
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: TB v2 strange behavior

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Melissa,

On Monday, September 15, 2003 at 12:47 (-0700 GMT), Melissa Reese [MR]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MR> when a new message comes into a folder, I'll hear the "new
MR> message" sound, but the "new messages" list in the folder tree
MR> will not show in bold font until I actually click on that folder.

If its any consolation, it happens here also. I believe it is a bug
that's been previously reported.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

(see kludges for my pgp key)
.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/Zh31RbTFvUNHmLkRAjiPAKCc6mD+H8alVKD5tCJ0aRenxTjTlgCfV6Cs
e5ZnSwE3SO96U2ZA+jeWYCk=
=lFYL
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Periodic mail checking annoyance

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Pixie,

On Monday, September 15, 2003 at 12:46 (-0400 GMT), Pixie [P] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

P> Most accommodating work-around if it really is one, is to set the
P> 'mark read after xx' off or a reasonable time longer than your auto
P> fetch interval.

Thanks, I'll give that a try. Its so annoying to be in the middle of
reading an interesting message only to have it disappear, and then
spend 5 minutes hunting for it. Perhaps the authors can fix this
annoyance ... someday. :)

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
X-Request-PGP: http://www.kcoates.com/0x434798B9.htm

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/ZfUfRbTFvUNHmLkRAiO3AJ4/bX0hLitH+gOxZ1lWCTLpVQPn+ACfWcB6
7rud4dcSl7bSm58tgUx9IjY=
=N4BT
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Periodic mail checking annoyance

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I usually read my mailing lists with "View/Display/Only Unread
Messages" toggled. If I set the account to poll for new mail
periodically the message I am reading in the preview pane disappears
when the new mail arrives in that group. Any suggestions how to work
around this?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
X-Request-PGP: http://www.kcoates.com/0x434798B9.htm

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/ZenWRbTFvUNHmLkRAvbNAKDZqP/JIYtzGHjZNGPaV3Xc7PsP5ACeKrMR
GG0HEukPhdhzjX01kJ15/DE=
=905f
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Reply template?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Greg,

On Sunday, September 7, 2003at 12:02 GMT -0500, Greg Strong [GS] wrote
in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

GS> Kevin,

>> I think the moderators will kill you. :)

GS> I don't want to use it on mail lists. This is with regard to
GS> correspondence on a programming class where discussion gets quite
GS> technical and I want to maintain prior messages for references.

Oh, in that case I understand your need. I haven't tried what you are
attempting, but will follow this thread with interest.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
X-Request-PGP: http://www.kcoates.com/0x434798B9.htm

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/W5CERbTFvUNHmLkRAgaXAJ9z1H4/rmUkxvrNc+V8hUSE3l+lNwCcD4av
mR5WEde3R6V2A2l7jT2R00I=
=gtH4
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Reply template?

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Greg,

On Sunday, September 7, 2003at 10:51 GMT -0500, Greg Strong [GS] wrote
in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

GS> like to use the F4 key to quote text in a reply, but also include
GS> the entire message below my signature ...

I think the moderators will kill you. :) All kidding aside, by
including the whole message in addition to your inline response, you
are doubling the bandwidth. As long as you keep messages in your
message base for a reasonable period of time, adding a "mid" reference
like above seems to be more bandwidth friendly. This is especially
true in mailing lists where others are using The Bat! If you need to
refer to the original, I can simply click on the link above and open a
copy in another window.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
X-Request-PGP: http://www.kcoates.com/0x434798B9.htm

Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD4DBQE/W2DWRbTFvUNHmLkRAhcpAJYz143uT1//Cl/oAz34os5C5l7tAKDiIEYX
/xx0DVfdG0F09rEwNqNH5Q==
=aL8q
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: OT: Address Hijacked by Work

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Joseph,

On Monday, September 1, 2003 at 19:42 GMT -0500, Joseph N. [JN] wrote
in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JN> ... It looks as though someone who had my e-mail address in their
JN> WAB (or wherever Sobig looks for addresses) was infected with the
JN> worm.

If its any consolation, I don't think you're alone.

JN> I thought the flurry  would die down ...

It has a little and probably will taper once those infected realize it
and do something about it. Unfortunately, that could take weeks and by
then Sobig.g or something similar will be unleashed.

JN> My main concerns are (1) minimizing the risk that someone will
JN> blacklist my address, and (2) minimizing the risk that this could
JN> happen again. I think that there is nothing I can do to achieve
JN> either objective; is that correct?

I've had the same concerns but I think because so many people were
affected, blacklisting seems unlikely. I think most isp people
understand that the mails are probably not from the source they appear
to be. Had it been a smaller outbreak, the blacklisting threat would
probably be possible.

JN> I assume this must be a fairly common problem, but there just
JN> doesn't seem to be anything I can do while my address is attached
JN> to all these infected e-mails

I don't think there is much anyone can do. I suppose one could change
their email address, but that would only be temporary until the next
version comes out.

I don't know what else can be done other than trying to educate those
who are oblivious to security. People like to blame MSoft, but many of
those I talk to who are infected are the same people I talked to who
were infected by something else in the past. They haven't changed
their clicking habits, virus signature update frequency, or system
security. The unfortunate part is that we all suffer.

My oldest mail account with bigfoot.com has been rendered useless. It
has a forwarding quota which has been exceeded daily for a couple of
weeks with all the sobig related mails. Fortunately I migrated
everything to a new address several months ago.

I feel sorry for those on a dialup connection as downloading the
garbage mail must be really annoying, time consuming and costly.

Who knows where all of this will lead. I'm not encouraged. :( Perhaps
this would be a good topic for the TBOT list. I'd be interested to
hear any suggestions.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
X-Request-PGP: http://www.kcoates.com/0x434798B9.htm

Using TB! v2.00 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQE/U/KjRbTFvUNHmLkRAlrNAKDTo0Zn1PGJvy6rE6d6gon2kkB0hgCg7WRE
T4PyOQjhzepb7xC0zahuJZo=
=4Mn+
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
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Re: Filters, Spam and Edits

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi P,

On Wednesday, August 27, 2003 at 22:54 GMT -0500, P . Johnson [PJ]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

PJ> in case I missed something, I'm wondering if there is a way to
PJ> edit a received message Subject. I use SpamPal and it marks
PJ> suspects with **SPAM** in the subject line

PJ> If I alter the tagline for spam in SpamPal options, I'm not sure
PJ> the messages will be routed to the junk folder.

Under SpamPal Options/Message Tagging my preference is to *not* check
"Mark subject lines.." or "Display X-SpamPal: header in subject
lines." This way SpamPal puts the classification information in the
message's hidden kludge area. I think it looks less tacky this way.

If you create a filter in The Bat to look for "^X-SpamPal: SPAM"
(minus the quotes) in the kludge or anywhere you can move the messages
to your spam folder automatically. Erroneously classified mail (if you
have any) will still have the altered kludge, but it won't be in the
Subject field which would look rather annoying.

If you place your SpamPal filter after your mailing list filters, and
your Known filter (people in your address books), I think you'll find
little if any erroneously classified spam. You might get an occasional
unrecognized spam that you can easily add to the Bayesian plug-in.

I've been running SpamPal for a few months and honestly don't recall
any mail erroneously classified as spam. I might get 1 or 2
unrecognized spam each week and average 45-50 spam/day.

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
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Using TB! v2.0 Beta/5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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Re: ot - please verify?

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi daveiw,

On Monday, August 25, 2003 at 18:37 GMT +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [dcn]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

dcn> I know this is off topic, but could anyone please verify my pgp
dcn> sig? I've made a few changes and I was wondering...

Looks okay over here.

gpg: Signature made 08/25/03 13:37:43 Eastern Daylight Time using DSA key ID 6D9675F3
gpg: Good signature from "Dave Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
gpg: aka "Dave Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
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Using TB! v2.0 Beta/4 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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Re: Signature file differences

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Craig,

On Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 10:59 GMT -0500, Craig Westerman [CW]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

CW>  Some signature files or footers on this list appear as regular
CW>  text. Others  appear as smaller light gray italicized text which
CW>  appear to  override the standard TBUDL footer.

CW>   What causes these differences? How do I override TBUDL footer?

To have your signature appear light gray and also allow replies to
strip your signature automatically the delimiter must have 1 space
following the dashes. (ie: "-- " not "--", minus the quotes)

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA
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Re: TB! & Hotmail & Yahoo mail

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Spike,

On Monday, August 11, 2003 at 13:59 GMT -0500, Spike [S] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

S> The author of web2pop has ignored my repeated requests for
S> information or a fix, which is pretty shabby considering I PAID for
S> the privilege! Can anyone provide some enlightenment on this?

I also registered Web2Pop and found the customer support nonexistent.

S> Alternatives for Yahoo??

YahooPops ... free ... works like a charm.

http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.0 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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Re: Outgoing e-mail and an external program

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Dave,

On Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 09:17 GMT -0400, Dave Kennedy [DK]
wrote in <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

DK> want to run an external program for e-mail just before they are
DK> sent. TB! appears to be trying to send the e-mail before the
DK> external program is run. How can I debug this? The log file
DK> doesn't provide any detail.

I'm not exactly sure what you are attempting but I'm assuming you want
to post processing prior to the mail leaving your system. If that's
the case, I do something similar by having sent mail go through
GPGrelay, which handles pgp functions and then ADR which does the
actually delivery to the recipient.

Configuration is just a matter of assigning the word "localhost" as
the SMTP (aka Remote) server name (in my case in both The Bat and
GPGrelay) and ensuring that I assign ports that match the flow path.

For example:

The Bat  SMTP   port 725

GPGRelay Local  Port 725
 Remote port 25

Advanced Direct Remailer port 25

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.0 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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Re: Top posting

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Leif,

On Monday, July 07, 2003 at 08:18 GMT -0600, Leif Gregory [LG] wrote
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

KC>> In Bat groups like this, including the "mid:"; line helps ...

LG> For the, err, fanatics of TB like us who do keep all the messages,
LG> I totally agree with the mid: concept. However, I'm pretty sure
LG> (just guessing here) that the majority of the list subscribers do
LG> not keep all the messages, and that's where mid: fails.

Yes, one does have to keep all the messages. I don't tend to do that
in all of the lists. Whenever a new beta is released, I usually keep
everything for awhile in TBBeta and the "mid:"; certainly makes
referencing a snap .. assuming the poster includes one. :)

LG> Now if we could just get the archive tweaked where mids could be
LG> gotten from there, then life would be good! 

I haven't had to use the archives in awhile, but your idea sounds
quite useful.

KC>> When emailing someone's cell phone address I purposefully keep it
KC>> short and simple and eliminate extraneous things like my
KC>> signature line.

LG> Absolutely. I have special address book templates for recipients
LG> on cell phones and such so that all they get is my message (sans
LG> sig) or my reply (sans quotes and sig).

Normally I just call my acquaintances or leave them voice mail.
Occasionally a quick message is best. I just hope that the spammers
don't ruin that media as well.

LG> And I agree with your comment on reading mailing lists using those
LG> devices. Even with my Palm Pilot m515, I don't synch any of my
LG> mailing lists. For one, there's too much volume, and two, it's not
LG> worth the hassle IMHO.

I don't own a palm device, but I do see their merit. I just wouldn't
have time to use one at work but friends who are in sales find them
indispensable. So does that mean you wont be downloading any binary
mp3s from the usenet newsgroups? hehehe

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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Re: client anti-spam options with The Bat!

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Darren,

On Sunday, July 06, 2003 at 15:56 GMT +0100, Darren [D] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

D> I know there are external applications which work as spam
D> detectors, however i'd like to ask if there are either ...

The Bat's filters, particularly when allowing those in your address
book, can isolate all spam. The downside is that mail from new
contacts will end up in the spam folder. I found that I still had to
look at the spam in order to sift out wanted mail.

Currently I am using SpamPal with the Bayesian plug-in available here:

http://www.spampal.org/

It matches against DNSBL lists (you can pick which ones) and in
conjunction with the plug-in catches almost all the spam, while
allowing new mail through. It seems to be a better arrangement for me
than using Bat filters exclusively. The Bayesian filter is trainable
and after a short time I'd say it catches 99% of the spam. I average
between 35-40 spam messages/day, so this freeware tool is quite
helpful to me.

Like you, I do report all spam to SpamCop. I don't know why. It
doesn't cut down on the amount of spam, but somehow I feel better
doing something. :)

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Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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