Re: Version 3, POP3 and the number of messages sitting on the server..

[Martyn Drake]

Well, there is definately a problem with the way The Bat! deals with
the number of messages as I've just set-up another account which has a
fair number of messages on the server and it's just sitting there
doing nothing.  Whether this occurs only for new account set-ups or
whether this will happen when I have large number of messages on the
server later down the road I just don't know..



Regards,

Martyn

I wrote on 02/09/2004 at 20:29:

> Have just purchased version 3 (probably against my better judgement,
> but one can only hope things get better - right? ).

> I decided on a completely clean set-up and once again encountered the
> problem of connection problems (see my previous posting to TBUDL about
> this) via POP3 when I set-up my second POP3 account. The Bat! just
> hung when "Checking the number of messages.." and I couldn't abort or
> delete the task.  The only way out was to use Task Manager to kill the
> whole thing.  I tried turning off TLS/secure connections, changing the
> authentication types to Regular and so on.  Nothing would fix it.

> I've since discovered that the ONLY way around the problem was to log
> in via webmail and delete all of the messages (637) from that account.
> The Bat! seemed happy with that and I can now check my second POP3
> account again.  And it's receiving new messages just fine now.
> However, I should have had to do that.

> Another problem - tried to import Outlook 2003 messages and The Bat!
> happily created the folders but didn't actually import any messages.
> Needless to say I've sent in a Bug report via the Help -> Feedback
> option on both occasions.

> Regards,

> Martyn


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Version 3, POP3 and the number of messages sitting on the server..

[Martyn Drake]

Have just purchased version 3 (probably against my better judgement,
but one can only hope things get better - right? ).

I decided on a completely clean set-up and once again encountered the
problem of connection problems (see my previous posting to TBUDL about
this) via POP3 when I set-up my second POP3 account. The Bat! just
hung when "Checking the number of messages.." and I couldn't abort or
delete the task.  The only way out was to use Task Manager to kill the
whole thing.  I tried turning off TLS/secure connections, changing the
authentication types to Regular and so on.  Nothing would fix it.

I've since discovered that the ONLY way around the problem was to log
in via webmail and delete all of the messages (637) from that account.
The Bat! seemed happy with that and I can now check my second POP3
account again.  And it's receiving new messages just fine now.
However, I should have had to do that.

Another problem - tried to import Outlook 2003 messages and The Bat!
happily created the folders but didn't actually import any messages.
Needless to say I've sent in a Bug report via the Help -> Feedback
option on both occasions.

Regards,

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Simple questions (I hope!) about version 3..

[Martyn Drake]

Hi,

A couple of (I hope) easy questions to answer.  Still trialing The Bat!
version 3.   Firstly, just how do I get to view remote images in HTML
documents as it isn't doing so at the moment and I'll be darned if I can
find a switch/toggle that allows me to do this.

Secondly - is there a way to program the check mail button to check ALL mail
accounts rather than having to do the drop down menu and select 'check all'
or press ALT-F2?

Regards,

Martyn




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Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1

[Martyn Drake]

Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:54:21 PM, you wrote:

> For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability
> to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's
> M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function
> like that of TB's "ALT-L" keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the
> time.

The question is - when will the Micro Ed editor have the ability to
properly re-flow quoted text without the need to use the justify left
(ALT-L) keyboard shortcut?

It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't do it
for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When you do
Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but why can't it
do this when you hit the Reply button so that the user is left with a
beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? :)

Regards,

Martyn




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SSL cert store in The Bat! 3?

[Martyn Drake]

Well,  I  think  I've figured out what the cause of the problem was with
The Bat! version 3 not being able to pick up mail from my cPanel server
earlier this morning.

As the certificate contains a different host name to that what I'm using
for  the  server,  I  must  have somehow just clicked 'continue' without
adding  the  certificate  to  The  Bat!  and consequently it was getting
confused.  However,  I'm  unable  to find any certificate store/settings
within the program to make amendments to what I've already approved.

I've  hijacked  another account within this set-up, changed the server's
hostname  to  an  aliased name within DNS and chose the regular setting.
I'm able to pick up my mail just fine.

Is  there  an  email  address  which I could send this to at Ritlabs for
their  inspection/support  (and  yes,  I'm  sure  I'm  going to get back
responses which states "good luck" or of similar ilk ;)).

Regards,

Martyn




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RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1

[Martyn Drake]

John Phillips wrote on 01 September 2004 11:33:

> Does it still top post?

Unfortunately it does.  But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to
that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

There's also a version for Outlook Express.

Regards,

Martyn



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RE: Re[2]: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAMP2Pplugin BODY**

[Martyn Drake]

Morgan Pugh wrote on 01 September 2004 11:03:

> I am seriously thinking of installing Outlook 2003. It is a very good
> client (have to use it at work) and is pretty damn secure these days.

It still has a few annoying issues, such as I can't touch any messages in
the Outbox once I've sent/queued up messages - if I try to do so I can't
send it at all without deleting it from the Outbox and starting again.  And
this is with Office 2003 Service Pack 1 as well!
 
> TB! is just a huge let down now :( I hope Ritlabs go bust, nobody
> should pay for TB!3, it just isn't worth the money.

I think that's a bit harsh - I wouldn't wish anybody to be unemployed.
People do have the choice whether or not to buy it - the upgrade is not
being forced down anybody's throats.

Regards,

Martyn




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RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1

[Martyn Drake]

Graham Dodd wrote on 01 September 2004 11:13:

> Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ?

I joined this list because I saw the announcement and thought - perhaps they
fixed the smart word wrapping/justification issues within the Micro Ed text
editor and also fixed some of the other issues that put me off using version
1.x so many years ago.  I downloaded and thought the new interface looked
quite good, but still pretty clumsy.  It is an improvement, however - at
least to me.  Whilst the word wrapping problem still persists, the overall
interface improvements since 1.x and a few other bits and bobs almost made
me reach for my credit card.  What stopped me?  The flipping thing doesn't
pick up mail at all from my cPanel POP3 server, but it does from my MDaemon
box.  I've tried regular and both STARTTLS and SSL connections but the POP3
connection always fails.  I've tried it on two different workstations now
and it still doesn't work.  Thus I've confined TheBat! to the bin.

These days I use a combination of Outlook 2003 (eeew I know - but somewhat
more managable with the Outlook Quotefix program) and Barca and/or PocoMail
(http://www.pocosystems.com).  It's well supported and works well (IMHO).

Regards,

Martyn




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Re: how change the user name for sending or replying ?

[Martyn Drake]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:43:16 -0300, starc wrote:

>   I want to know how can I change the account name when I send or
>   reply to a message. Normally the account used is that one of the
>   folder I am in. But what if I wanted a different account? Is the
>   only way I can do this moving the email to the other account folder
>   and then replying from there? I also noticed that the button for
>   sending a new message has a little arrow besides it. It seems that
>   this was intended to let you choose the account you want to use for
>   creating this new message(like the arrows at the check for new mail,
>   and send mail buttons). But on my the bat! it is disabled and doesnt
>   work. Is there a way to enable it?

In the message composition window, select the View menu and then choose
From.  You'll then have access to a pull-down menu on your composition
window that will allow you to change your address.

Regards,

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The Bat! - suggestions

[Martyn Drake]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.46 Beta/3
  Serial Number 4AA0E565
  under Windows 98 4.10 Build   A .

  There are some features I would like to see in your program:

Hi,

Is it currently possible to define a "system-wide" set of message
templates that can be applied to newly created accounts within The
Bat! rather than having to define the templates for each new account
by hand every time? If not, is it possible to implement such an option
that would do so?

Regards,
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Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

[Martyn Drake]

This  is  true - which is why I agree with Chris Wilson that it should
be made an option for those that need it ;)

Regards,

Martyn

Monday, August 07, 2000, 4:25:04 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

> Monday, August 07, 2000, 2:09:26 AM, Martyn wrote:
>> - Get rid of the horizontal scroll bar - text should be fully
>> wrapped within the open message window upon reading that message

> sub make_date {
>   @time = gmtime(time);
>   my(@month) = 
>("Jan","Feb","Mar","Apr","May","Jun","Jul","Aug","Sep","Oct","Nov","Dec");
>   my(@dow) = ("Sun","Mon","Tue","Wed","Thu","Fri","Sat");

>   $time[5] += 1900;
>   my($date) = sprintf("Date: %s, %02d %s %d %02d:%02d:%02d 
>+",$dow[$time[6]],$time[3],$month[$time[4]],$time[5],$time[2],$time[1],$time[0]);
>   return($date);
> }

> That would suck if it were wrapped, wouldn't it?  Funny thing is, the
> editor doesn't have a scrollbar.  :)

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Re: The Bat! - suggestions

[Martyn Drake]

Monday, August 07, 2000, 10:09:26 AM, you wrote:

> - The ability to hide ANY attachment

D'oh - didn't finish that sentance off properly.  I was suggesting
that perhaps it might be a better idea to put that option somewhere
like the Options menu or perhaps have an Message Preferences menu
under the Options menu, so that all settings that affect the message
window can be found in one place to offer consistancy between making
Bat-wide options to the message window rather than having to do it all
through an open message window.

I hope that makes some sort of sense to someone :)

Regards,

Martyn



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The Bat! - suggestions

[Martyn Drake]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.46 Beta/3
  Serial Number 4AA0E565
  under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1.

  There are some features I would like to see in your program:

- The ability to hide ANY attachment

- Get rid of the horizontal scroll bar - text should be fully
wrapped within the open message window upon reading that message

Regards,
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Re: Misc. problems & Windows 2000

[Martyn Drake]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:55:52  -0500, Allie Martin wrote:

> I found NT4 and now Win2k opinions to be quite polar in
> quality. :) There are those having serious problems and hitting their
> heads with frying pans , and there are those having little or no
> problems at all. I've been exposed to more of the latter group, myself
> being one of them. It's just now that I'm hearing third hand negative
> stuff from Alex, and Tracer has had his own personal experience with
> incompatible hardware so 

The unusual aspect of it all was that my archived copy of The Bat! 1.39
was running just fine under Windows 2000 when I decided to start from
scratch and import all of my old Outlook stuff over which is slightly
more up-to-date than what I had with The Bat!  That's when the problems
started.

I will do another clean install of Win2k at some stage with a
completely clean install of The Bat!.  If that doesn't go well, then
I've wasted 16 UK pounds for a product that has potential compatibility
problems with Win2k.  I've currently purchased and am using PMMail 2000
which is currently working well for me.
 
For the most part, things are running extremely smoothly under Win2k,
but I just can explain what the heck has happened with my copy of The
Bat!

;(

Regards,

Martyn

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Misc. problems & Windows 2000

[Martyn Drake]

I'm not entirely sure what I've done to my Windows 2000 systems, but
I'm having a tremendous time trying to persaude The Bat! to import
messages from Outlook Express 5.0 or Eudora Light 3.06.

Whenever I try to import more than one folder, The Bat! does absolutely
nothing.  It appears to work just fine when I import one folder at a
time, but this is extremely tedius.  Also, whenever I try to alter an
account's properties, the folder icons that appear to each catergory
are missing.

I've suffered problems with checking mail - The Bat! just locks up and
even restarting the machine and re-opening The Bat! brings up a blank
screen with just the top menu options, but no message base, nothing.

I've tried uninstalling, deleting the RIT entries in the registry,
nuking The Bat! Program Files directory, plus all of them in one go,
and absolutely nothing gets around the problems described above.  I've
tried this with 1.36, 1.38 and 1.41 to no avail.  I did have 1.42/Beta
1 and 1.42/Beta 2 on these systems (BTW, I can reproduce these on two
different Windows 2000 systems) if that would suggest any problems with
my uninstalling techniques ;)

Can anybody suggest a way of getting The Bat! to work once again on my
system?  I'm currently hitting my head against a large frying pan in
frustration ;)

Regards,

Martyn

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Problems with the ritlabs.com server?

[Martyn Drake]

There appears to be something odd happening with the ritlabs.com web server,
as (a) I'm receiving no document data errors whilst in Netscape (and DNS
problem reports from Internet Explorer) and (b) just downloaded 1.41 via
CNet and tried to install it, receiving an Archive Damaged message.

Does anybody keep any mirrors of version 1.41?

Regards,

Martyn

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Re[2]: On editors and wishlists

[Martyn Drake]

On 26 January 2000, Nico Schirwing wrote:-

> Hello Douglas,

>> I did start this as private mail, but it's a valid question for
>> TBUDL: Why do you all use The Bat?

> It's simply the best.

I agree with that.  I finished with Eudora Pro 4.x as they refused to
acknowledge genuine bugs and fix them, the integration with Internet
Explorer was terrible and it's a beast of a program now.

I needed to find a client which handled "proper" quoting, had decent
WYSIWYG word wrapping, the ability to open a seperate reading window
per message (plus the ability for said window to stay in the same
place each and every time), and support multiple accounts.  Oh, and it
had to be cheap :)

The Bat! has lived up to that criteria and added so many other decent
features I would gladly recommend this program to anyone.

Regards,

Martyn

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Re[2]: Mailer Daemon and other confusing stuff....

[Martyn Drake]

As the MDaemon software that's generating this is version 3.0, which
is currently at beta stage, perhaps it's an issue within the beta that
needs to be resolved?

> Not quite. I joined this list at least six months ago (that's the
> oldest message from this list I've not deleted) and just now I've
> started to receive this mdeamon messages (there were several address
> to me in the past couple of days). And I've never, until now, tried
> to post to the list i.e. I've started to receive these mdeamon
> messages *before* I posted *anything* on the list and well *after* I
> joined. So, there's something definitely wrong about the fix and
> about the explanation of the problem ;)

> BTW, there is something else. I've seen a lot of people complain about
> getting these messages after they try to post to the list but I
> haven't received these mdeamon messages addressed to them. Beside
> several addressed to me, I've seen just a couple of them. That's why
> I'm not sure if all of these messages get really posted on the list.
> It seems to me that some of them do and some of them do not.

Regards,

Martyn

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Auto-wrap of incoming text revisited

[Martyn Drake]

Just  to  clarify things for my tiny mind - if the auto-wrap option is
ticked  within Options -> Editor Preferences, all incoming mail should
be  wrapped  regardless  of  window  size?  Does  this option have any
connection with the character encoding as well?

I  just  wished I could get the darn text to wrap so that I don't have
to  keep  resizing  my  viewing  window  when  people have their email
clients set to 80 characters :(

Any suggestions to help diagnose this problem is greately apreciated.

Regards,

Martyn

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Re: Autoformat oddity

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I can reproduce this as well, the only workaround is to either switch
off auto-format while you do the lines or to keep pressing Enter a
couple of times.

Regards,

Martyn

On 07 January 2000, Tim Fountain wrote:-


> Why is it the TB's autoformatting doesn't like carriage returns?  For
> example, try to type this:

> Hello
> How are you?

> When you start typing the 'H' of 'How', it jumps back onto the
> previous line.

> Why?  This is extremely irratating.




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Re[2]: Incoming mail word wrapping

[Martyn Drake]

On 05 January 2000, Oleg Zalyalov wrote:-

MD>> Can The Bat! currently handle automatic word wrapping of any
MD>> viewable messages (i.e. messages that aren't being edited, but
MD>> rather just viewed in a seperate viewing window)?

> Both view and edit windows share the same setting
> Preferences\General\Auto Wrap.

I can see auto-wrap under Options, Edit Preferences, and that is
ticked, but only when editing or creating a new message does auto-wrap
kick in.  When viewing messages, it doesn't :(

Regards,

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Incoming mail word wrapping

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Hello,

Can The Bat! currently handle automatic word wrapping of any viewable
messages (i.e. messages that aren't being edited, but rather just
viewed in a seperate viewing window)?

Regards,

Martyn

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Backing up account information (registry vs. INI file)

[Martyn Drake]

Hello,

When recently restoring my Bat! message store and account information
from backup - I had to tell the Bat! where all the accounts were, as
well as setting up some other bits and bobs such as the editor
settings).

What registry keys do I need to backup to ensure that I can keep a
copy of all the account information that doesn't get stored in the
configuration files?

Regards,

Martyn

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