Re: My new 20 lines filter
Leif Gregory wrote: Ouch. Now we're junk :-( grin Grin noted, but I really didn't intend any offence. I just think sometimes the cure is worse than the disease :-) -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: final analysis, I'd prefer that RIT Labs spend limited resources on continuing to develop the best MUA on the planet even if that means documentation doesn't get done. I have trouble with the view that a Help file is some sort of optional extra. Information on how to use a program's features, and indeed what features are available, is in itself a vital feature. Failure to provide one is poor programming, IMO. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Steve Mary King wrote: The documentation of the new features, if they work, is mostly incomplete and/or nonexistent. Perhaps they should have waited until things were together instead of rushing to meet schedules The documentation for 1.6 is similarly very poor, so I don't think schedules are an excuse for that aspect of TB's shortcomings. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Steve Mary King wrote: We didn't start using The Bat! until the first week of July '03. We moved from Poco because, after 2+ years of using it, the unfixed bugs and poor documentation were driving me nuts. Everybody raved about The Bat!'s power, so I decide to switch. I'm beginning to feel that the standard 30-day trial period just isn't enough, and that maybe users should push for 60 to 90 days. I sympathise. I too am a refugee from another program, and haven't even been using TB as long as you. Powerful it may be, but what's the use if a substantial part of that power is undocumented. It's pretty shabby, IMO. Without the kind help of this list, I would probably have given up on TB by now. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Tim wrote: I agree completely with your sentiments about all the junk that precedes the content of many replies. email. I'm very interested is seeing if it attracts a moderators' top-posting warning. At least the mods consistently use the same format when complaining about top posting, off-topic posting, etc., etc. That makes it easy to eliminate such mails - I've got 18 in my Trash folder currently. But now I think about it, it would be better still if I deleted them on the server before downloading them. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Urban wrote: Would you mind terribly posting how you do that. PleasepleasepleasePLEASE I've had a great deal of help from this list; no problem to repay just a little. These mod postings usually begin with: Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers I set up a filter based on this. That is, in Accounts/Sorting office I make a filter which looks for this text in location text and sends the message to the Trash folder. One caveat, though: sometimes the mod's make an actual contribution to the discussion in the same message, so you run the risk of missing out on this contribution if you trash the message. An alternative might be to send them to a junk folder instead, and check this occasionally to make sure you haven't missed anything useful. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
Allister Jenks wrote: Having just taken the plunge and upgraded, I can give you the following text from the help topic About Spam... Does this mean the Help file has been revised? This is a badly needed improvement. Is it any good? -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: It appears I have screwed myself by registering v 1.62rearly
Craig Westerman wrote: I sent the following to The Bat! developers a week ago. I never received a response. Can anyone tell me who the best person is to contact to get an answer? E-mail address? I purchased 1.62 on 2/8/03 and was told then that upgrading to version 2 will be free. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Changing From in Address Book template
Is there any method of changing the Identity for an address book template? There is no such tab when creating an address book template, and the template created inherits the folder's Identity setting. TIA -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing From in Address Book template
Allie Martin wrote: You can just use the %From=name email address macro in the templates. Thanks to all respondents. This particular one identifies where I have been going wrong: I was not including my email address in the macro, so the server would not accept the results. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Vote for The Bat! :-)
Allen wrote: after all, what -can't- TB do? Provide information on how to use its features. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help file
While I'm generally happy with The Bat! as a powerful and versatile tool, I have to say that its Help file is probably the worst I've seen in a complex program. It's probably good for the soul to find kindly support here, and even better if you're actually able to provide it, but I'm sure the traffic on this list could be drastically reduced if The Bat! had even a half-decent Help file. I wonder if there's any hope of an improvement in the forthcoming version? -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB on a small network
I am wondering about using TB on a small home network so that mail could be written and read from either machine (that small!). I guess that if I set automatic checking, I would get duplicates as a result of each machine performing this function. Is there a way around this, and would there be any other problems? -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB on a small network
Thomas Fernandez wrote: Have you checked this?: Help / Topics / Index / Networking / The Bat! Networking Course I can't resist an ironic chuckle. I usually check the Help file before I start wailing here, but have got used to it offering no assistance. And the first time I don't check... Many thanks for the pointer; that seems to offer the solution. I will experiment. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Smartbat
What's it for? It appears to be a text editor, but what is its purpose? Not mentioned in the help file. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smartbat
Allen wrote: in the future it can act as a scheduler TVM. Sounds as if that could be a useful feature. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common folders
Kat Armstrong wrote: In XP the common folders are visible to all users whereas only the accounts specific to that user are visible. Interesting. TVM. Is this the case with other OS too? It's lamentable that basic but important information like this is not in the help file. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common folders
Allie Martin wrote: It's a folder that when created, doesn't belong to any particular account. Collapse all your accounts and the common folders will be visible. Thanks. I can see how that might be useful. But it must be independent of Inbox/Outbox folders, so could a common folder be filtered? -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common folders
Allie Martin wrote: Yes, you can filter messages to common folders Thanks again. I meant filter messages within common folders. and you can create read and replied message filters for common folders. Yes, I've taken the plunge and created one to experiment with. I can't presently see a use to which I might put it, though :-) -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Common folders
What is a Common Folder? How does it differ from any other (rare? :-)) sort? Nothing in the Help File. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keep messages in the base for n days
If this setting is exceeded, will TB split an existing thread, removing those that exceed it and keeping those that do not? Nothing in the Help file again. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keep messages in the base for n days
Peter Meyns wrote: Yes, indeed. It will mark the messages out of range as deleted, and with the next Purge and compress they will be actually deleted. TVM It strikes me this could be somewhat inconvenient. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keep messages in the base for n days
Peter Meyns wrote: Why is that? TBH, I suppose mainly because my previous e-mail client did not split threads in this way; it wouldn't delete until the last message passed the sell-by date. If I want to save a thread, I copy it to my archive folder, and let the mailing list continue its purging on time. Which of course splits the thread. you could set your list folder to not expire messages at all Better, IMO. Then I could copy or delete the entire thread manually. It's not a huge problem, of course, just something that might have been more thoughtfully designed, IMO. Anyway, thanks for your help: it's saved me finding out the hard way! -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Secret features
Jonathan Angliss wrote: The license isn't that much, and TB is well worth the money in my opinion. I wouldn't take too much issue with that, although the Help function, from which the quote was lifted, is poor. Now it appears to be misleading, too. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Secret features
Features for registered users can also be used once The Bat! has been registered. What features are these? -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
English dictionary
My copy of The Bat only offers a US dictionary, which is of limited use to me. Where can I get an English dictionary? The Help file, which must be The Bat's weakest feature (I've just spent an hour trying to find out how to edit an e-mail in the Outbox), is of no help. TIA -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: English dictionary
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: You need to install the International Support Pack to enable British English dictionaries. TVM I thought there might be an easier option. This file is bigger than the program file (!) and contains masses of stuff which is of no use to me. Just double click on the message in the message list. TVM again. That escaped me. The solution I eventually found was a context menu click with the message highlighted. -- Paul Richardson Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
