A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
TB uses two standard threading headers to maintain thread integrity; References and In-Reply-To. Some clients use one or t'other. Some clients don't use *any*. Messages from the latter group of clients will always break a thread. Hallo Marck, just saw your message in TBDUL and wanted to inform you that OL doesn't break threads. Daniel Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
At Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 4:44:30 AM, Marck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, @30 April 2002, 14:32:20 -0400 (19:32 UK time) Daniel Grunberg wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, I thought I was sending the message from my Opera folder. That can mean only one thing: You're relying on folder templates. That's a no-no! stock lecture I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. In 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly. Have you tried reasoning with them? A blunt object often persuades:) I must admit I use folder templates a lot. I'm crazy about them. There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates. There are dangers in using Folder Templates that are not there when you use AB templates. I wasn't even *aware* you could do AB templates! Cool! The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in templates which use the %TO= macro. If, at the instant you start a new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail. I can imagine. IIRC, I only have 2 that have %TO, and they are 'experimental' (an unsuccessful experiment so far :( BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any pre-existing addresses are retained. Test test test. Before you mail. Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for me. Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this message yet again. It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw. The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended. I've never done that. ANd I've been mailing a long time. But I will be looking hard at AB templates. With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind. Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are a bit trickier. Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you have to click to the right of the new message button and select the list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is* a favourite in the address book). /stock lecture Hmmm. Is there an explanation for why this seems to be the only list where threading (mostly) works? I've tried turning it on on other list folders and its a disaster. -- Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Mike Smith wrote: Hmmm. Is there an explanation for why this seems to be the only list where threading (mostly) works? I've tried turning it on on other list folders and its a disaster. Could be possibly related to headers that TB! puts into the email, or something related to that. As we're all (I'm assuming, except me right now) use TB! for mailing here, everything is done the same (header wise)... so chances are, it'll thread properly. I'd have to look into that to verify though. I don't personally use threading on most emails, but might try it on this list. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Versatile Group Tel: 972 991 1370 x 205 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mike, @05 May 2002, 20:54:31 +1000 (11:54 UK time) Mike Smith wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmmm. Is there an explanation for why this seems to be the only list where threading (mostly) works? I've tried turning it on on other list folders and its a disaster. TB uses two standard threading headers to maintain thread integrity; References and In-Reply-To. Some clients use one or t'other. Some clients don't use *any*. Messages from the latter group of clients will always break a thread. You could try threading by Subject instead of by Reference, but that way you get no depth. Forte Agent employs a deeper hybrid threading trick to circumvent this, making it appear more effective. It does a combined by Reference and by Subject threading which attempts to slot in the messages which don't have the proper References header. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE81TGoOeQkq5KdzaARAld8AJ9g4oCGrpMD3xYOXMSN/WZh1iInWQCgltBH L8T+6wq29u8iDM26MlH6pkA= =gBed -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, May 05, 2002, at 4:59:57 AM PST, Jonathan Angliss wrote: I don't personally use threading on most emails, but might try it on this list. Eek! Threading - especially with the variety of threading options provided by TB! - is one of the really great things about this great email client! I thread message lists *and* regular inbox/sent folders (using an appropriate threading option for each folder. TB! has one of the better threading/message list display features I've seen in an email client, so I do recommend you give it a try with your various folders/lists - just to see what's possible. You may find that you'll become dependent on what it can do to help you rationalize (in both context and efficiency) your email reading. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAjzVie8ACgkQjVbXUvsE8umFRgCeOkldHt8vr2+BkSRZ78cr2X+9 aUQAoJ+Sw0F9lAWHUmu6GmUhiOjbYHCq =qth/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: [Opera-users] A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:50:52[GMT +0100] (10:50 AM EDST) Clive Taylor wrote: 30 April 2002, 14:35, you wrote: DG ere is my reply to a message sent to me by an Online Team Leader at DG First Union Online. (I sent a copy of the message to Sue, before I DG sent it to TBUDL.) DG QUOTE I share your frustration with some sites not allowing Opera to browse them but what has this to do with TB, exactly? Wrong mailing list, perhaps? I'm sorry, I thought I was sending the message from my Opera folder. Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, @30 April 2002, 14:32:20 -0400 (19:32 UK time) Daniel Grunberg wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, I thought I was sending the message from my Opera folder. That can mean only one thing: You're relying on folder templates. That's a no-no! stock lecture I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. In 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly. There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates. There are dangers in using Folder Templates that are not there when you use AB templates. The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in templates which use the %TO= macro. If, at the instant you start a new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail. BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any pre-existing addresses are retained. Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for me. Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this message yet again. It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw. The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended. With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind. Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are a bit trickier. Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you have to click to the right of the new message button and select the list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is* a favourite in the address book). /stock lecture - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8zuYQOeQkq5KdzaARAu4GAKCia1lDak8vviecXqH93OHRnWmDDACfaFHj JPlIV9feR1VDf2fZr3xH6L8= =AUC9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---
Good morning Marck, --- Marck D Pearlstone / Thursday, 30.04.2002, 20:44:30 A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry --- ... Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for me. I agree - I've done it all the time too and it never went wrong (almost *gg*) ;-)) BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any pre-existing addresses are retained. I don't get this point Mark. Do you mean you should not use the %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macro in your Templates? Could you please explain! Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this message yet again. Murphy's Law is always right! -- best regards Eddie Powered by The Bat! v1.54 Beta/42 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 PGP (public) is available: www.EddieCastelli.com/pgpkey/ Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
