All's well that ends well
Hi TBUDL, After deleting all the folders associated with TB! manually, I was able to reinstall the program without incident. I restored from backup and my copy is once again registered. Thanks for all your help. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry! On Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 11:14 AM, you wrote: After deleting all the folders associated with TB! manually, I was able to reinstall the program without incident. I restored from backup and my copy is once again registered. Thanks for all your help. Bravo, Perry! I know that getting your registered copy up and running was your main goal. Did restoring from backup allow you to access your previously OTFE encrypted messages? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 09-Aug-2006 at 18:14 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: After deleting all the folders associated with TB! manually, I was able to reinstall the program without incident. I restored from backup and my copy is once again registered. Thanks for all your help. Have you kept your old messagebase files? You could try to replace the backup copies one by one (while TB is not running) to maybe find the corrupted message base. In addition, you'd get back the messages between the crash and your last backup. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Hoodoo / Voodoo Medicine Man by Aerosmith (from the 1989 album Pump) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hi Mary, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 12:23:23 PM, you wrote: MB Did restoring from backup allow you to access your previously OTFE MB encrypted messages? With the exception of the messages received since the date of my backup, yes. Of course, I had to set up the system again as OTFE to do it. Since I don't know of a way to revert from OTFE to an unencrypted installation, it appears that once saved (as OTFE), always saved as some of my Baptist friends would say. Unless my understanding is mistaken about the permanence of such a decision, this, it seems to me, represents a lack of foresight on the part of the designers. Thanks for your help and encouragement. Now my only remaining problem is that each time TB! checks the mail, I'm getting a dialog that says, Unknown CA Certificate. That didn't used to happen with my previous installation. I do recall some discussion of this in the past, but since I wasn't having the problem then, I didn't pay much attention to the resolution, if any, that was given. Because I must click OK for the CC to continue, that makes an automatic check near impossible, or at the least very annoying. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hi Alexander, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 12:28:04 PM, you wrote: ASK Have you kept your old messagebase files? They are still in the recycle bin, so I could go dumpster diving and restore them to a different partition. ASK You could try to replace the backup copies one by one (while TB is ASK not running) to maybe find the corrupted message base. Sounds like a tedious process, but I may consider it. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry! On Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 11:39 AM, you wrote: MB Did restoring from backup allow you to access your previously OTFE MB encrypted messages? With the exception of the messages received since the date of my backup, yes. Ah. Well, at least partial satisfaction. Of course, I had to set up the system again as OTFE to do it. Since I don't know of a way to revert from OTFE to an unencrypted installation, it appears that once saved (as OTFE), always saved as some of my Baptist friends would say. ... God bless us every one, as Tiny Tim would say. :) ... Unless my understanding is mistaken about the permanence of such a decision, this, it seems to me, represents a lack of foresight on the part of the designers. This and the failure to clean out all files automatically by The Bat! when making a fresh install are two reasons I hope you will have time to report these deficiencies in OTFE-installations on TBBETA and make a bugtracker issue report of each one. Although it would be technically OT to the beta list, it's relevant to beta development. The RitLabs team is currently working toward v. 3.82, according to the beta download page. It would be well for them to clean up the faults of OTFE before the next release to the public. Marck has agreed that it would be appropriate to post on TBBETA the failure to remove all files in an Uninstall of a copy of TB! which has OTFE enabled. So, when you have the time, I hope you'll be able to do this much, at least. Thanks for your help and encouragement. Your problem very much engaged my attention! It's been my pleasure to try to help. Now my only remaining problem is that each time TB! checks the mail, I'm getting a dialog that says, Unknown CA Certificate. That didn't used to happen with my previous installation. I do recall some discussion of this in the past, but since I wasn't having the problem then, I didn't pay much attention to the resolution, if any, that was given. Because I must click OK for the CC to continue, that makes an automatic check near impossible, or at the least very annoying. I think it's addressed in the beta series. I'll do a search of the TBBETA archives to jog my memory. If it's fixed in a beta, would you want to run one? V. 3.81.14 is quite stable for me, running two POP3 accounts in a Pro version, with OTFE *not* installed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry! On Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 11:39 AM, you wrote: Now my only remaining problem is that each time TB! checks the mail, I'm getting a dialog that says, Unknown CA Certificate. That didn't used to happen with my previous installation. I do recall some discussion of this in the past, but since I wasn't having the problem then, I didn't pay much attention to the resolution, if any, that was given. Because I must click OK for the CC to continue, that makes an automatic check near impossible, or at the least very annoying. There are some fixes in re CA certificates going on in the beta series. I'm not sure they relate to this particular problem. See TBBETA mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] copy-and-paste quote from beta v. 3.81.12 availability announcement in the message cited above: -- [+] The Bat! now keeps associations between recipient emails and certificates for encryption also for S/MIME Internal Implementation. Previously, this have been done only for signing, not for encryption in S/MIME Internal Implementation. However, in CryptoAPI Implementation, both signing and encryption certificates were associated with emails. -- For what it's worth. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hi Mary, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 1:16:17 PM, you wrote: MB This and the failure to clean out all files automatically by The Bat! MB when making a fresh install are two reasons I hope you will have time MB to report these deficiencies in OTFE-installations on TBBETA and make MB a bugtracker issue report of each one. MB Marck has agreed that it would be appropriate to post on TBBETA the MB failure to remove all files in an Uninstall of a copy of TB! which has MB OTFE enabled. So, when you have the time, I hope you'll be able to do MB this much, at least. I'll make a report of my misadventures in reinstallation on the TBBETA list. MB I think it's addressed in the beta series. I'll do a search of the MB TBBETA archives to jog my memory. As you'll see, I am now running the beta and the Unknown CA Certificate problem still exits here. MB If it's fixed in a beta, would you want to run one? V. 3.81.14 is MB quite stable for me, running two POP3 accounts in a Pro version, with MB OTFE *not* installed. Aside from that issue with the certificate, it seems to be running okay for me too. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 09-Aug-2006 at 18:39 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Since I don't know of a way to revert from OTFE to an unencrypted installation Its the same as switching an existing plain installation into an OTFE installation (or transfer a TB installation to Voyager). - backup everything - uninstall TB remove all traces of it - install again, select (plain|OTFE) - restore the backup -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The only real food for thought is more thought. -- Peter Ustinov Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry! On Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 12:35 PM, you wrote: MB ... I hope you will have time MB to report these deficiencies in OTFE-installations on TBBETA ... I'll make a report of my misadventures in reinstallation on the TBBETA list. Many thanks. :) MB I think it's addressed [Unknown CA Certificate dialogue problem] MB in the beta series. ... As you'll see, I am now running the beta and the Unknown CA Certificate problem still exits here. I'm sorry. You might want to report this on TBBETA. Either someone else there might then confirm the problem or else post a solution. Aside from that issue with the certificate, it seems to be running okay for me too. Very good to hear!! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hi Alexander, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 1:41:27 PM, you wrote: ASK Its the same as switching an existing plain installation into an ASK OTFE installation (or transfer a TB installation to Voyager). ASK - backup everything ASK - uninstall TB remove all traces of it ASK - install again, select (plain|OTFE) ASK - restore the backup Thanks for straightening me out. It was my understanding that you couldn't restore a backup from an encrypted version to an unencrypted version. I think I'll give that a try. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hello Perry, On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:48:29 -0400 GMT (10/08/2006, 00:48 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: PN Thanks for straightening me out. It was my understanding that you PN couldn't restore a backup from an encrypted version to an unencrypted PN version. I think I'll give that a try. You can. I think that's a security issue, because if you make regular backups from within TB, these can be restored in plain text, even though the original message base was OTFE-encrypted. But then, I'm not a friend of OTFE. -- Cheers, Thomas. Personnel executives of 100 major corporations were asked for stories of unusual behavior by job applicants. 5. Interrupted to phone his therapist for advice on answering specific interview questions. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hi Thomas, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 2:09:42 PM, you wrote: TF But then, I'm not a friend of OTFE. You're right by the way. (See my reply to myself, just posted.) And for what it's worth, OTFE and I have had a falling out recently too. ;-) -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
Hi Everyone, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 1:48:29 PM, I said to Alexander earlier: ASK Its the same as switching an existing plain installation into an ASK OTFE installation (or transfer a TB installation to Voyager). PN I think I'll give that a try. Here's the update. I un-installed TB! and removed the things it did not remove (as it should have), reinstalled and then restored from backup, but this time as PLAIN rather than OTFE. It worked as you had suggested. I then added back the beta version as well. Furthermore, I am no longer getting the Unknown CA Certificate warning, which pleases me greatly but also puzzles me. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 10 Aug 2006, @ @ at 01:09:42 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Perry, On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:48:29 -0400 GMT (10/08/2006, 00:48 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: PN Thanks for straightening me out. It was my understanding that you PN couldn't restore a backup from an encrypted version to an unencrypted PN version. I think I'll give that a try. You can. I think that's a security issue, because if you make regular backups from within TB, these can be restored in plain text, even though the original message base was OTFE-encrypted. But then, I'm not a friend of OTFE. Nobody should be. Encryption (and decryption too, and even more) is a decently sensitive activity and should be entrusted to dedicated standalone, strong and independent applications. As a brain child/brat, that is a conception, it is simpatico (I myself was warmed to this for a shorter time at the beginning), but using something like that integrated into a program which is constantly in an OTF fixing and with running unfinished components with besides so active beta releases and OTF live testings, is not very mind cuddling idea. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRNo9BrSpHvHEUtv8AQhzbggAgvqtc1lw3H8lFFmW72//6wopojGpZrLD jNOamuanUp44WsMYUgckzpSbQIvAwybUPevPKeTS3jyP725dA9UsmpIxLGHnUoyW hPldtUNTAWBD+a5iGm8a/VlcB/X3KaToBs/4WUG0SeJswY9OaJUkZe1Jte/kB4bn b/nbXTuBKhrTxpvaEsiUocw8kX2QFHRIrC9S/afjYKOrw2iFLsw5y6P1Qrzjo417 VO2RbwqQ7tZbpS0GlDRBuSWL7ylrQbUjj/YD1pkCNMQcZWGBPyWxaw3L8P0+gk5p 65ZBgBddk4rDPUo2xKSUIExlzV8PQPEiiuGzpBf4bfsWkdM3bN1PCA== =PHgI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
