Re[2]: External processing of TB files?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

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Friday, September 01, 2000, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote to ztrader on TBUDL about
External processing of TB files?:

z>>When does TB do this check? Only at startup :-((?

MDP> "Continuously"  ... TB seems to poll for the presence of this file and
MDP> reacts to its appearance pretty instantly.

Every 10 seconds.

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Re[2]: External processing of TB files?

[ztrader]

On Friday, September 01, 2000, 6:28:15 AM, you wrote:

z>> Good, clear explanation. I still say you should write this stuff in
z>> the help file :-).

MDP> It's  not up to me. I don't work for RIT (although I have helped Maxim
MDP> with some documentation before now).

I realize that - it was a semi-joke :-). I was suggesting that there
have been a number of good explanations on the list, even in the short
time I've been here. If these were collected and organized, it would
be a most helpful document, IMHO. Could actually be outside the help
file, and might be easier to produce that way.

ztrader

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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi ztrader,

On 01 September 2000 at 06:16:09 GMT -0700 (which was 14:16 where I
live) ztrader wrote and made these points on the subject
of "External processing of TB files?":

MDP>> It used to be called "Kill Filter". 

z> Good, clear explanation. I still say you should write this stuff in
z> the help file :-).

It's  not up to me. I don't work for RIT (although I have helped Maxim
with some documentation before now).

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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi ztrader,

On 01 September 2000 at 05:57:17 GMT -0700 (which was 13:57 where I
live) ztrader wrote and made these points on the subject
of "External processing of TB files?":

z>   I assume this means one could do the import without having to
z>   start up TB each time?

Yes.

z> For those who are familiar with programming we give a hint: The Bat!
z> checks the file called TheBat.IPC which is located in the same
z> directory where The Bat! executable (TheBat.exe) file is located.

z>When does TB do this check? Only at startup :-((?

"Continuously"  ... TB seems to poll for the presence of this file and
reacts to its appearance pretty instantly.

z> To ensure that a copy of The Bat! is running on a computer, a
z> program which wants to interact with The Bat! must check whether
z> the mutex called “The Bat!” is owned by a process and if it is not,
z> The Bat! must be started.

z>How does one do this from a batch file?

One  doesn't  have  to do it from a batch file. By simply launching TB
from  the  batch file with the required command line parameters either
TB  will  be loaded to process the commands or an already running copy
will  be  sent  them.  Only if you were writing a program to interface
with TB would you need to do anything with a mutex.

OTOH,  to  be  *in*  your filtering batch process, TB *must* have been
running to trigger the process in the first place .

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Re[2]: External processing of TB files?

[ztrader]

On Friday, September 01, 2000, 5:57:28 AM, you wrote:

z>> BTW,  what  is  "Selective  Download"  intended to do in the filter
z>> list?

MDP> It  used  to be called "Kill Filter".  

Good, clear explanation. I still say you should write this stuff in
the help file :-).

Thanks much,

ztrader

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Re[2]: External processing of TB files?

[ztrader]

On Friday, September 01, 2000, 5:51:39 AM, you wrote:

>> BTW, what is "Selective Download" intended to do in the filter list?

MR> It`s for applying a filter rule directly on the mail server, just
MR> before downloading new messages.

Aha. The actions are kill or ignore - does kill remove the message
from the server without downloading it? Does ignore leave it there
undeleted? 

Given a (hopefully) small fraction of spam, why is this preferred over
simply sending the msg to a spam folder, and catching those false
positives?

Thanks for the info,
ztrader

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Re[3]: External processing of TB files?

[ztrader]

On Friday, September 01, 2000, 5:19:51 AM, you wrote:

OZ> /IMPORT command allows batch importing of e-mail messages into a specified folder

Thanks for the tip!

Again, from help:

Note that you can run only one copy of The Bat! at your PC at a time,
but if you try to start another copy of The Bat!, all Command Line
parameters will be seamlessly passed to the running copy of the
program and executed.

  I assume this means one could do the import without having to
  start up TB each time?

For those who are familiar with programming we give a hint: The Bat!
checks the file called TheBat.IPC which is located in the same
directory where The Bat! executable (TheBat.exe) file is located.

   When does TB do this check? Only at startup :-((?
   
To ensure that a copy of The Bat! is running on a computer, a program
which wants to interact with The Bat! must check whether the mutex
called “The Bat!” is owned by a process and if it is not, The Bat!
must be started.   

   How does one do this from a batch file?

Ever closer to a good filtering solution :-)...

ztrader

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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi ztrader,

On 01 September 2000 at 05:38:08 GMT -0700 (which was 13:38 where I
live) ztrader wrote and made these points on the subject
of "External processing of TB files?":

MR>> How can i reimport the modified message automaticly ?

Refer  to  the TB Help Index and search for /IMPORT. This is a command
line switch which allows you to automate message import.

z> BTW,  what  is  "Selective  Download"  intended to do in the filter
z> list?

It  used  to be called "Kill Filter". It allows you to filter messages
before  they  are  downloaded  by only reading the headers to make the
decision about whether or not the message is required. The downside of
using  Selective  Download  filters is that message download becomes a
two  pass  affair  for  all messages. Pass 1 downloads all headers and
checks  against  the  Selective Download filters. Pass 2 downloads the
messages which have survived the selection tests.

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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Michael Richter]

Hello Oleg,

you wrote in "External processing of TB files?" on 01.09.2000:

> Found in TB! help file

Good tip. Wonder I dont`t recongized this ! :-(
Mayby its friday. :-)

I`ll try it.

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Selective download Was: Re[3]: External processing of TB files?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, September 01, 2000, ztrader wrote to Michael Richter about
External processing of TB files?:

z> BTW, what is "Selective Download" intended to do in the filter list?
To  prevent some messages to be download from the server and to delete
or to leave them on the server.

Adding  selective download filters adds a phase of downloading headers
of the messages prior to downloading mail from the server.

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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Michael Richter]

Hello ztrader,

you wrote in "External processing of TB files?" on 01.09.2000:


> BTW, what is "Selective Download" intended to do in the filter list?

It`s for applying a filter rule directly on the mail server, just
before downloading new messages. This could be used as a SPAM Stop.
The examined Headers are from:, subject:, received:, to: and the
whole kludges. By filtering of received: (the whole routing-path of
the message) there is a good change to recognize spam.

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Re[2]: External processing of TB files?

[ztrader]

On Friday, September 01, 2000, 4:59:54 AM, you wrote:

MR> How can i reimport the modified message automaticly ? My Batch-File
MR> for removing the egroups-adv works fine, but the only way i see to
MR> bring back the message is manual import.

That's where I got stuck, too.

BTW, what is "Selective Download" intended to do in the filter list?

ztrader

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Re[2]: External processing of TB files?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, September 01, 2000, Michael Richter wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
External processing of TB files?:

MR> How can i reimport the modified message automaticly ? My Batch-File
MR> for removing the egroups-adv works fine, but the only way i see to
MR> bring back the message is manual import.

Found in TB! help file

---8<-
/IMPORT command allows batch importing of e-mail messages into a specified folder from 
multiple RFC-822 message files or from UNIX mailbox files. The syntax of /IMPORT 
command is:


/IMPORT[parameter1[;parameter2[;parameter3[...]]]

Possible parameters are (parameter may be identified by two or more names):


USER=value or U=value   - the value is the name of the destination account. If 
no FOLDER parameter is specified, the destination folder will be Inbox of the given 
account.

PASSWORD=value or P=value   - the value is the password which will unlock 
the account if it is needed.

FOLDER=value or F=value - the value is the destination folder’s pathname. If 
the pathname does not include account name, The Bat! will search all accounts for a 
folder with such name; the first folder found will be used as the destination folder. 
If the specified folder is not found, Inbox folder of the destination account is used.

UNIX or X   - this parameter tells The Bat! that input files are in UNIX 
mailbox format. By default, input files are treated as separate RFC-822 messages.

READ or R   - when this parameter is used, all imported messages will be 
marked as read. By default, all imported messages are marked unread.

FILE=value or IN=value or 
INFILE=value or I=value - the value is a file mask with a pathname of input 
files. /IMPORT command can have unlimited number of FILE parameters.

DELETE or DEL or W  - if this parameter is specified, all processed files 
will be deleted after successful send of import operation.

Examples of /IMPORT command:

/IMPORTU=”My account 1”;FOLDER=”Friends and relatives\Sam”;IN=C:\InFiles\Sam\*.MSG

/IMPORTF=”\\My account 1\Business\Unsorted”;UNIX;FILE=C:\InFiles\Unsorted\*.mbx;READ

Notes: 

1.  To separate parameters, use semicolon (“;” character). Do not use spaces 
between parameters when use /IMPORT command as a command line parameter because a 
space-separated mask will be treated as the next command line parameter and will not 
be processed.
1.  If a parameter value contains space characters, put it into quotation marks. 
If a value contains quotation marks, you should use upper commas (“ ’ ” character).
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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Michael Richter]

Hello Oleg,

you wrote in "External processing of TB files?" on 01.09.2000:


> You  can export and delete message by filter run external program in a
> batch file modifying message first and importing in back to TB!

How can i reimport the modified message automaticly ? My Batch-File
for removing the egroups-adv works fine, but the only way i see to
bring back the message is manual import.

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Re: External processing of TB files?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, August 31, 2000, ztrader wrote to TBUDL about
External processing of TB files?:

z> Is it possible to modify, perhaps extensively, the mail files produced
z> by TB without 'damaging' them in a way that would cause problems in
z> TB?
You  can export and delete message by filter run external program in a
batch file modifying message first and importing in back to TB!


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Re: External processing of TB files?

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Hi ztrader,

On 31 August 2000 at 08:17:58 GMT -0700 (which was 16:17 where I
live) ztrader wrote and made these points on the subject
of "External processing of TB files?":

z> Is it possible to modify, perhaps extensively, the mail files produced
z> by TB without 'damaging' them in a way that would cause problems in
z> TB?

I wouldn't have thought it would be an easy task.

z> For example, if I run a pgm to remove ads, some headers, etc from
z> TB email files, would TB still be able to use them as if nothing
z> had happened?

Doubtful.

z> These would be for the .tbb files only, not the .tbi's (index files?).
z> The binary top header and message headers would not be changed by the
z> processing.

'Ay, there's the rub'. If you modify the .tbb you would have to remove
the .tbi completely because the tbb it refers to no longer matches.

z> If the processing gets more extensive and entire messages are
z> removed, including the binary header, would this still be OK?

Again - doubtful.

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External processing of TB files?

[ztrader]

Is it possible to modify, perhaps extensively, the mail files produced
by TB without 'damaging' them in a way that would cause problems in
TB?

For example, if I run a pgm to remove ads, some headers, etc from
TB email files, would TB still be able to use them as if nothing had
happened?

These would be for the .tbb files only, not the .tbi's (index files?).
The binary top header and message headers would not be changed by the
processing.

If the processing gets more extensive and entire messages are removed,
including the binary header, would this still be OK?

Thanks,
ztrader

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