Re[2]: First 2 lines of message does not display
Thursday, June 06, 2002, Julian Beach (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thursday, June 6, 2002, 8:52:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I find that if I mime-formard the original message to myself, save the >> attachment, then import it, I can see the first paragraph. >> Does anyone have any idea why I am not seeing the first paragraph in >> the ORIGINAL message with the abbreviated headers? i.e. why the first >> paragraph is displayed ONLY when the full header (RCF-822 headers) is >> on? > I think that the "why" is the easy part - for some reason, TB thinks > that the first paragraph is part of the header, and is not displaying > it. TB and other email software identifies the end of the header and > the start of the message text by an empty line (a line which only has > a new line character on it. > Perhaps, as I think that some others have mentioned, there is a space > on the "blank" lines. IIRC, TB will strip surplus spaces when it is > reformatting messages, so maybe the message is being reformatted and > the spaces stripped at some point in the process of forwarding the > message, saving the attachment, and re-importing. Other than that, I > don't have a clue. > Do you have MS Word or a similar program installed? Display the > message with the RCF-822 headers displayed, and then copy all of the > text and paste it to a blank document in Word. If Word does not show > non-printing characters (tabs, spaces, etc) by default enable this by > going to Tools|Options|View and in the Formatting Marks section, > select [ALL]. Then check the message, and see if there is anything > other than just a paragraph mark on the lines between the Subject: > line in the headers, and the first paragraph. > Julian I copy and paste it to a blank document in Word. There are 2 blank lines between the full header and the first paragraph -- just 2 paragraph marks. Just in case it makes a difference, the last 2 lines in the header are: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.60q Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: First 2 lines of message does not display
Thursday, June 06, 2002, Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thursday, June 06, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... >> I installed it. Still can't see the first paragraph -- unless I turn >> on the RCF-822 headers. >> I find that if I mime-formard the original message to myself, save >> the attachment, then import it, I can see the first paragraph. >> Does anyone have any idea why I am not seeing the first paragraph in >> the ORIGINAL message with the abbreviated headers? i.e. why the >> first paragraph is displayed ONLY when the full header (RCF-822 >> headers) is on? > Is it on all messages, or just a single message from a certain person? It is on all messages from one address. > If it is multiple messages, do they come from the same > user/isp/client? To me, it sounds like there is a break missing > somewhere (ie, the last line of the headers), or there is a break > somewhere in the link between the sender, and you that made the line > break vanish. It'll appear when you put the full headers on, because > TB is assuming it's part of the header. I'm guessing when you forward > the email to yourself, TB! is possibly reformatting the headers to > attach (not 100% sure on how it all works in detail). -- Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.60q Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: First 2 lines of message does not display
On Thursday, June 6, 2002, 8:52:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I find that if I mime-formard the original message to myself, save the > attachment, then import it, I can see the first paragraph. > Does anyone have any idea why I am not seeing the first paragraph in > the ORIGINAL message with the abbreviated headers? i.e. why the first > paragraph is displayed ONLY when the full header (RCF-822 headers) is > on? I think that the "why" is the easy part - for some reason, TB thinks that the first paragraph is part of the header, and is not displaying it. TB and other email software identifies the end of the header and the start of the message text by an empty line (a line which only has a new line character on it. Perhaps, as I think that some others have mentioned, there is a space on the "blank" lines. IIRC, TB will strip surplus spaces when it is reformatting messages, so maybe the message is being reformatted and the spaces stripped at some point in the process of forwarding the message, saving the attachment, and re-importing. Other than that, I don't have a clue. Do you have MS Word or a similar program installed? Display the message with the RCF-822 headers displayed, and then copy all of the text and paste it to a blank document in Word. If Word does not show non-printing characters (tabs, spaces, etc) by default enable this by going to Tools|Options|View and in the Formatting Marks section, select [ALL]. Then check the message, and see if there is anything other than just a paragraph mark on the lines between the Subject: line in the headers, and the first paragraph. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60p on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: First 2 lines of message does not display
On Thursday, June 06, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... > I installed it. Still can't see the first paragraph -- unless I turn > on the RCF-822 headers. > I find that if I mime-formard the original message to myself, save > the attachment, then import it, I can see the first paragraph. > Does anyone have any idea why I am not seeing the first paragraph in > the ORIGINAL message with the abbreviated headers? i.e. why the > first paragraph is displayed ONLY when the full header (RCF-822 > headers) is on? Is it on all messages, or just a single message from a certain person? If it is multiple messages, do they come from the same user/isp/client? To me, it sounds like there is a break missing somewhere (ie, the last line of the headers), or there is a break somewhere in the link between the sender, and you that made the line break vanish. It'll appear when you put the full headers on, because TB is assuming it's part of the header. I'm guessing when you forward the email to yourself, TB! is possibly reformatting the headers to attach (not 100% sure on how it all works in detail). -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: First 2 lines of message does not display
Thursday, June 06, 2002, Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thursday, June 6, 2002 at 6:13:37 AM you wrote (at least in > part): nnn>> Here is the original message. Are there spaces on the blank nnn>> lines? > No, and I can see the messages as they should appear; including the > first paragraph. > I'd suggest you upgrade to 1.60p and give it another try. > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/the_bat.exe For some reason the above link doesn't work for me. So I went to www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/ and downloaded the the_bat.exe from there and it turns out to be v1.60q. I installed it. Still can't see the first paragraph -- unless I turn on the RCF-822 headers. I find that if I mime-formard the original message to myself, save the attachment, then import it, I can see the first paragraph. Does anyone have any idea why I am not seeing the first paragraph in the ORIGINAL message with the abbreviated headers? i.e. why the first paragraph is displayed ONLY when the full header (RCF-822 headers) is on? -- Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.60q Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: First 2 lines of message does not display
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Palmreuther [PP] wrote: ... PP> If you forward the message and there's _no_ attachment called PP> '1.msg' close the window and use menu 'Specials' / 'Alternative PP> forward'. You can safely delete the message text if you see an PP> attachment named '1.msg'. A very easy way as well is to drag and drop the message from the message list into the editor window. This will create a MIME attachment. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60p | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8/e4qV8nrYCsHF+IRAoBCAJsGROYQAzwIjWWs04UslvzCoKO84QCgpjPW CCEsUzvf434HDFsUfls9U8w= =lkdg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: First 2 lines of message does not display
Hello List, On Wednesday, June 5, 2002 at 10:05:17 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part): mmc> The following is a copy and paste from "view source" of the message. I think the 'Copy/Paste' eliminates the spaces I assume to be there, so this won't help either ... mmc> There are two blank lines. There's a difference between 'blank line' and 'empty line' :-) What has to be there is an 'empty line', means: without anything, not even a space or tab, in between. A 'blank line' could contain some space you don't see :-) >> For an exact analysis you'd have to _MIME_ forward one of those >> messages and as attachments are not allowed on this list I'd suggest >> privately. mmc> How do you MIME forward a text message? Do I "Export" the message; mmc> then mime code it with a encode utility? If you forward the message and there's _no_ attachment called '1.msg' close the window and use menu 'Specials' / 'Alternative forward'. You can safely delete the message text if you see an attachment named '1.msg'. P.S.: Using a signature delimiter as described in welcome message of this list (download: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/subtbudl.txt) would make it easier to reply to your messages as unnecessary parts are cut off automatically. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60p on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) What do you people do out here in the middle of nowhere?! J.Lydon Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: First 2 lines of message does not display
Wednesday, June 05, 2002, Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wednesday, June 5, 2002 at 7:19:29 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote (at least in part): mmc>> You will note that the first 2 lines in the second copy (with mmc>> RFC-822 headers) is missing from the first copy 9with normal mmc>> headers). It happens on all the messages from this address. > Go and view this message (and others form this address) in source > viewer. Select the whole message, or at least the headers plus the > two lines you're missing. > Between headers and the first text line there's a gap. When it is > selected there must be _one_ rectangle shown black ... might it be > there are two or more? > From what I've seen I'd assume the sender has no correct header/body > divider line in it's mails, to be precisely: no 'empty' line there as > RFC states it. The following is a copy and paste from "view source" of the message. There are two blank lines. *** Begin Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from mx6.nyc.untd.com (mx6.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.66]) by maildeliver5.wlv.untd.com with SMTP id AAA8R4P7PAHD2MTJ for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (sender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>); Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:57:01 -0700 (PST) Received: from eservices2.tdwaterhouse.com (eservices2.tdwaterhouse.com [208.192.3.226]) by mx6.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AAA8R4P7NARNKDVS for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (sender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>); Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:57:00 -0400 (EST) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:56:59 -0400 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: TD Waterhouse eServices <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: TD Waterhouse eServices <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TD Waterhouse IPO Center is accepting Conditional Offers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TD Waterhouse is now accepting Conditional Offers to purchase shares of AEP ALERT NEW PRICING DATE, which is expected to price on 6/5/2002. To read the preliminary prospectus filed with the SEC and place a Conditional Offer, follow these steps: - Login to your account - Click on Trading > IPO Center > IPO Offerings . * END > For an exact analysis you'd have to _MIME_ forward one of those > messages and as attachments are not allowed on this list I'd suggest > privately. How do you MIME forward a text message? Do I "Export" the message; then mime code it with a encode utility? Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.60c Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: First 2 lines of message does not display
Hello List, On Wednesday, June 5, 2002 at 7:19:29 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (at least in part): mmc> You will note that the first 2 lines in the second copy (with RFC-822 mmc> headers) is missing from the first copy 9with normal headers). It mmc> happens on all the messages from this address. Go and view this message (and others form this address) in source viewer. Select the whole message, or at least the headers plus the two lines you're missing. Between headers and the first text line there's a gap. When it is selected there must be _one_ rectangle shown black ... might it be there are two or more? >From what I've seen I'd assume the sender has no correct header/body divider line in it's mails, to be precisely: no 'empty' line there as RFC states it. For an exact analysis you'd have to _MIME_ forward one of those messages and as attachments are not allowed on this list I'd suggest privately. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60p on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) When all else fails, blame it on someone else! Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
First 2 lines of message does not display
Following are 2 copies of the same message. The first one is with the "normal" header. The second one is with the RFC-822 headers. You will note that the first 2 lines in the second copy (with RFC-822 headers) is missing from the first copy 9with normal headers). It happens on all the messages from this address. Can someone tell me why this is happening? [Since I normally do not show RFC-822 headers, this problem is potentially dangerous.] Thanks in advance. JM = Forwarded Message [Normal Header] === Date: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 From: TD Waterhouse eServices <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: TD Waterhouse IPO Center is accepting Conditional Offers (fwd) To read the preliminary prospectus filed with the SEC and place a Conditional Offer, follow these steps: - Login to your account - Click on Trading > IPO Center > IPO Offerings .. === End === Forwarded Message [RFC-822 headers] === Date: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 From: TD Waterhouse eServices <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: TD Waterhouse IPO Center is accepting Conditional Offers (fwd) Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from mx6.nyc.untd.com (mx6.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.66]) by maildeliver5.wlv.untd.com with SMTP id AAA8R4P7PAHD2MTJ for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (sender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>); Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:57:01 -0700 (PST) Received: from eservices2.tdwaterhouse.com (eservices2.tdwaterhouse.com [208.192.3.226]) by mx6.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AAA8R4P7NARNKDVS for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (sender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>); Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:57:00 -0400 (EST) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:56:59 -0400 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: TD Waterhouse eServices <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: TD Waterhouse eServices <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TD Waterhouse IPO Center is accepting Conditional Offers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TD Waterhouse is now accepting Conditional Offers to purchase shares of AEP ALERT NEW PRICING DATE, which is expected to price on 6/5/2002. To read the preliminary prospectus filed with the SEC and place a Conditional Offer, follow these steps: - Login to your account - Click on Trading > IPO Center > IPO Offerings === End === Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
