Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Hi there! On 20 Jan 00, at 13:26, Keith Russell wrote about "Re[2]: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)": AM MIME forward the message. In so doing, the recipient knows without a AM doubt that the message was not originally sent to him. On opening the AM attached message, he views it intact, is able to examine the intact AM headers etc. When he hits reply, the appropriate addressing comes up. The AM only drawback to this, which I personally don't consider to be one, is AM that you have to open the message since it comes as an attachment. This solution would be fine if, each time I forwarded a message I could choose whether or not to use MIME, but I don't know of any way to do this. Am I missing something? Nope, there exists no way to do so;-(( It's a major shortcoming IMO, I'm in a habit of widely using both MIME-forwarding (actually, judging by RFCs, it's not a proper term, and it's not necessarily forwarding: for example, Pegasus allows one to *attach* any _message_ to the currently edited one in the same fashion. The proper term should be "attach the message" and this action should be somewhere in menus, NOT in the forward template) and MIME digests. To correct the current behaviour is a rather long-standing wishlist item, and i really hope it will be addressed in the version 2. I can always go into Account Properties and check the MIME box below the Reply template, but I certainly don't want to have to do this every time I want to redirect (pardon me--bounce) a message. And if I leave it permanently checked, I may start to look like an AOL newbie--MIME within MIME within MIME Definitely. The option to forward message this way should be put into the menus, since the deceision is made based on the current message, not based on the current account (or even folder). -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: In any household, junk accumulates to fill the space available for its storage. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Hello Allie,
Thursday, January 20, 2000, 3:39:38 PM, you wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:26:00 -0700, Keith Russell wrote:
Well, yes. They really ought to provide a way of deciding how you wish
to forward. This will require a popup prompt or a special menu item. Right
now, my way out is to leave the MIME standard option checked. If I wish to
do a simple forward, then I delete the attached message when the forward
message is generated. If I wish to forward as a MIME attachment, I use the
%CLEAR macro as a quick template ('clear' then CTRL-Space) to clear the
quotation in the message body.
I wonder if it would cause a lot of additional bloat to add the
ability drag a message into the editor and have it MIME attached,
like we can with other files. Of course then we'd need to be able to
MIME attach several messages. But that's a different can of worms. :)
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Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Hi Januk, On 21 January 2000 at 17:27:37 GMT -0800 (which was 01:27 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JA I wonder if it would cause a lot of additional bloat to add the JA ability drag a message into the editor and have it MIME attached, JA like we can with other files. Of course then we'd need to be able JA to MIME attach several messages. But that's a different can of JA worms. :) The number of times I've tried to do exactly that then said "Doh! Don't be silly Marck. You stopped using Pegasus *ages* ago". IOW - it would be very handy. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Thursday, January 20, 2000 sample of MY forwarded msg so what the heck is the debate all about This is a forwarded message From: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Redirect (Bounce) ===8==Original message text=== Hi Thomas, On 19 January 2000 at 01:03:46 GMT +0800 (which was 17:03 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF (We're OT again. Marck is selecting the knife to kill the horse.) Still allowing a few final breaths to see if there *is* a forthcoming "constructive" work-around suggestion (like e.g. manually or via QT modifying the subject to reflect the routing) before wielding the big old cull-hammer. -- Cheers, \\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ===8===End of original message text=== Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:16:50 +0700, tracer wrote: sample of MY forwarded msg so what the heck is the debate all about Well, I hit the reply button to your forwarded message and the message was addressed to you and not Marck. I have to rectify that and then delete out your little intro on who it's from etc. and your begin and end quote stuff to get a decent reply back to the writer of the original message. -second option- Redirect the message. Now when I read the message the body of the message is not quoted and is undisturbed. I hit reply and it is addressed to the person who wrote the message and not the redirector of the message. The problem here is the relative anonymity of redirecting on the part of the redirector. The only way the recipient will know how they got the message is to examine the headers and look at the X-Sender or the redirector may edit the reply-to headers with adding "by way of redirectors address". This has been shown not to be a good idea however. -third option- MIME forward the message. In so doing, the recipient knows without a doubt that the message was not originally sent to him. On opening the attached message, he views it intact, is able to examine the intact headers etc. When he hits reply, the appropriate addressing comes up. The only drawback to this, which I personally don't consider to be one, is that you have to open the message since it comes as an attachment. The good portion of the chatter, however, was how to automagically, by way of template macros, get the 'by way of redirectors address' inserted in the reply:to headers. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ You can never get rid of a bad temper by losing it. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
