Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Uwe Brockmann]

I give up!

I cannot figure out why some people cannot open .eml files with TB!'s
internal viewer while others can.

My thanks to everyone who provided information about their setup. Here
is a compilation of the information you provided:

The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
internal viewer without any problems:

(1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- NT 5.0 Build 2195
- Outlook Express installed (by default) but not set up
- Outlook not installed
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2920.
(2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 4.10 Build  A
- Outlook Express not installed
- Outlook not installed
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2614.3500
Cipher Strength: 128-bit
(3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 4.10 Build 1998
- Outlook Express installed
- Outlook installed
- never changed any registry settings manually
- never changed any file associations manually
(4) Alexander V. Kiselev, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 95 OSR2 Build  b
(5) Quin Selman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win95a (Win 95 4.0 Build 950)
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2314.1003IC
Cipher Strength: 40-bit
Update Versions:q23142;q23140;3717;3725;q240308;
q241361; q413362;q241 (rest cut off)
- IE5.0 set to use The Bat! for mail
- IE5.0 set to use Forte Agent for News
- IE5.0 set to use MSNetMeeting for Internet Call
- never used or set up Outlook
- never set up Outlook Express

The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
internal viewer:

(1) Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 4.10.1998
- Outlook Express 4.72.3120.0 installed using
comctl32.dll 5.80
ole32.dll 4.71.2612
riched32.dll 5.0.1461.82
inetcomm.dll 4.72.3155.0
mshtml.dll 5.00.2722.3155.0
wldap32.dll 5.00.1579
- Outlook not installed
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2014.0216
Cipher Strength: 128-bit
Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308;
q241362;q242542;q2 (rest cut off)
File Version: 5.00.2014.200
Created: Wednesday, February 24, 1999
Modified: Wednesday, February 24, 1999   
(2) Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 SE 4.10  A
- Outlook Express never installed
- Outlook never installed
- Customised IE5 version 5.00.2919.6307C0
Cipher Strength: 128-bit
(3) Roy Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 95
(4) tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 SE
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2614.3500
Cipher Strength: 40-bit
(5) Allie Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- NT 5 Build 2195
- Outlook Express installed but not set up
- Outlook not installed
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2920.
Cipher Strength: 56-bit
(6) Oleg Zalyalov, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6
- Internet Explorer for Win NT Version 2.0 (Build 1381)
(7) Marck D. Pearlstone, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 4.10 Build 1998
(8) David Elliott, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(9) Dennis W. Greer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 98 4.10  A
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2919.6307CO
Cipher Strength: 56-bit
(10) Paul, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win98 4.10 1998
- OE5 installed
- compatability mode
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2014.0216
Cipher Strength: 128-bit
File Version: 5.00.2014.200
(11) Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Win 95 OSR 2 (Win 95 4.0. B PE)
- Internet Explorer 3.0
- .eml "open" action file association set to
  rundll32.exe C:\WIN_95\SYSTEM\mailnews.dll,EMLFileHandler
(12) G. Cowling, SRNA, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Outlook Express installed
- Internet Explorer 5.00.2614.3500IS
Cipher Strength: 128-bit
(13) Thomas Fernandez, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Chinese Win 98 4.10 Build 1998

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Uwe Brockmann, [E

Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

Thomas, dia duit!

On Thursday 16/03/2000 you posted the following comments to Dennis @ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hope no one minds. But this is a test posting. I have posted two messages
 to this list but they have some how mysteriously gone astray. Both were to
 Christopher Trybowski. Should have winged their way back to my mailbox
 hours ago.

Slán anois, 

 Simon  send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Usin' TB! version: 1.41 
M$ Winblows version: 4.10. A   


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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Thursday, March 16, 2000, 4:50, Januk Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

JA> Well, I am one of the ones who can open .eml files in TB's internal
JA> editor. I checked my registry, and there is only one key that has
JA> anything remotely close to having to do with .eml files. I don't
JA> think that it is really even relevant, however, I can't identify
JA> what it does. Since this particular key is somewhat long, I won't
JA> include it here. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can send
JA> it to you off-list.

Januk Aggarwal was so glad to send me that registry key and now I'm able
to say that we still have no progress in resolving this weird .eml
problem... The registry key we are talking about belongs to a Windows
Session Manager, not any file-associating procedures :-(.


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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Dennis,

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:21 -0800GMT (16/03/2000, 01:48 +0800GMT),
Dennis W. Greer wrote:

UB>> The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
UB>> internal viewer:

DWG> You can add me to this group.

Add me too. On my home computer, where I never even installed Outlook,
clicking on the eml file even started the Outlook installation shield!

When I removed eml association from the registry on my office computer
and then associated it with TB, a new message window opened in TB with
this file as attachment. I then associated the extension with Notepad,
which works. Couldn't find a way to have it in TB's Viewer.

OTOH: do we really need this? Anybody sends me an eml file, he gets it
back (same as with HTML or Enriched emails) with the request to send
me Text/Plain messages if they want me to even read it. I have no use
for eml files. Do I?

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Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41
under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998  
on a Pentium II/350 MHz.



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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marck,


On  Wednesday, March 15, 2000  at  10:29:22 GMT + (which was 2:29 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:



> My  conclusion  is  that, in theory, no-one should be able to open eml
> files  in the TB internal viewer. Yet some can :-/. IMHO, it will take
> a  code  change  in  TB  to make this a cross platform / configuration
> feature.

 Well, I am one of the ones who can open .eml files in TB's internal
 editor.  I checked my registry, and there is only one key that has
 anything remotely close to having to do with .eml files.  I don't
 think that it is really even relevant, however, I can't identify
 what it does.  Since this particular key is somewhat long, I won't
 include it here.  If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can send
 it to you off-list.

 IE 5 Version: 5.00.2614.3500
 Cipher Strength: 128-bit

 


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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[G. Cowling, SRNA]

Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 2:34:41 AM, Uwe wrote:

UB> The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
UB> internal viewer without any problems:

UB> (1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5.0 Build 2195
UB> (2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build  A
UB> (3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build 1998

UB> The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
UB> internal viewer:

UB> (1) Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10
UB> (2) Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> (3) Roy Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 95
UB> (4) tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98
UB> (5) Allie Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5 Build 2195

UB> So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group are
UB> experiencing.

UB> None of the following suggestions have allowed TB! users to solve the
UB> problem themselves:

UB> (1) source of suggestion:
UB> Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "There may be different versions of TB! that are all numbered
UB> 1.41. Try downloading the latest version."
UB> result:
UB> No change.

UB> (2) source of suggestion:
UB> Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "Delete Windows' .eml file association."
UB> result:
UB> Windows asks for program to use when user attempts to open a
UB> .eml file.

UB> (3) source of suggestion:
UB> Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> Marek Mikus, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "Change Windows' .eml file association to The Bat!"
UB> result:
UB> TB! opens an empty file in "Edit Mail Message" editor and shows
UB> .eml file as attachment.  Clicking on .eml attachment
UB> recursively opens another empty file in another "Edit Mail
UB> Message" editor window.  However, the contents of the .eml file
UB> is never displayed.

UB> (4) source of suggestion:
UB> Dieter Hummel, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "Wait for TB! version 2.0 which will provide for calling an
UB> external editor."
UB> result:
UB> Calling an external editor would not solve the problem.  Version
UB> 2.0 is not out yet.

UB> (5) source of suggestion:
UB> Oleg Zalyalov, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "The authors of TB! should modify the source code of TB! so that
UB> TB! wil treat .eml files exactly like .msg files. This
UB> modification should be incorporated into version 1.42 of TB!."
UB> result:
UB> This should solve the problem.  However, this solution can only
UB> be applied by the authors of TB!

UB> (6) source of suggestion:
UB> Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft
UB> Outlook Express have been installed."
UB> result:
UB> This does not work for me.

UB> (7) source of suggestion:
UB> Allie Martin
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook Express has
UB> never been installed."
UB> result:
UB> This was not necessary for Tony Boom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and
UB> Justin D. Paine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) who both succeeded at
UB> opening .eml attachments with TB!'s internal viewer.

UB> (8) source of suggestion:
UB> Alexander V. Kiselev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
UB> suggestion (paraphrased):
UB> "The problem is caused by some versions of Microsoft Internet
UB> Explorer or other installed software.  Start search for the
UB> cause of the problem by comparing installed versions of
UB> Internet Explorer."
UB> result:
UB> Here is what I have according to "Help --> About Internet
UB> Explorer":

UB> Version 5.00.2014.0216
UB> Cipher Strength: 128-bit
UB> Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308;
UB> q241362;q242542;q2 (the rest of the text is
UB> cut off and I do not know how to make it
UB> visible)

UB> Here is what I have according to the Version tab of the
UB> properties of my IEexplore.exe file:

UB> File Version: 5.00.2014.200
UB> Created: Wednesday, February 24, 1999
UB> Modified: Wednesday, February 24, 1999

UB> If you think that Alexander V. Kiselev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has the
UB> right idea, please feel free to state your version of Internet Explorer.

UB> If you know the solution to the problem, please tell us!

UB> I enclose the two sample files sample.eml and sample.msg as
UB> attachments again.  If TB!

Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 10:34, Uwe Brockmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



UB> I enclose the two sample files sample.eml and sample.msg as
UB> attachments again.  If TB! displays them identically with its internal
UB> viewer then you do not have a problem.

As for me, .msg opens with TB! instead of .eml file. Trying to open an .eml
attachment cause system to invoke a standard Internet Mail application
that is a part of IE 3.0 which was shipped with Win 95 OSR 2.

Currently I have a standard .eml file association:

Description  : Internet E-Mail Message
MIME Type: message/rfc822
Default Extension: .eml
Actions present  : open (default):
   rundll32.exe C:\WIN_95\SYSTEM\mailnews.dll,EMLFileHandler

I removed this action (open) _without_ removing the whole
file association, then tried to open an .eml attachment in TB! again. It
asked me for the program which is able to open such files. I selected TB!
and it opened a standard message composition window with attachment
named, of course :-) "sample1.eml". There is no need to say that this
process seems to be endless.

Next I removed the .eml file association at all but achieved the same
(negative) result.

Today I'll try to experiment more thorougly.


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X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE
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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Paul]

Hello Uwe,

Please put me in the second group no launch EML.
I'm using Win98 4.10 1998 with OE5 installed compatability mode.

I've the same results as Alexander
Help tag IE5 5.00.2014.0216 128bit
Properties   5.00.2014.200

My complaint is also that MSG is associated with NoteTab Pro but
double clicking launches the TB viewer. 

Paul

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Dennis W. Greer]

Hello Uwe,

Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 11:34:41 PM, you wrote:


UB> The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
UB> internal viewer:

You can add me to this group.


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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,



Oh, I forgot to add:

Using:

The Bat! version 1.41
No Outlook Express or Outlook installed (ever)
Customised IE5 version: 5.00.2919.6307C0 Cipher Strength: 128 bit
Windows version: Win98 SE 4.10  A

(As well as custom install of IE5 that didn't include any Outlook stuff,
Windows was installed with a batch script that also did not include any
Outlook or Frontpage stuff; a clean machine)

It is not surprising that this topic is of interest to all. I just took at
the wish list and the 'Reading' category is the longest of all wish subjects.
  

Slán anois, 

 Simon  send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Usin' TB! v1.41 & registered

  stop hiding from brain dead browsers

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Uwe Brockmann posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:



U> (6) source of suggestion:
U> Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
U> suggestion (paraphrased):
U> "Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft
U> Outlook Express have been installed."

I did not actually suggest this. I only declared my current setup - which never has
had Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Outlook Express installed - as a means of raising
for discussion the possibility of my setup being 'a' reason why TB! is unable to open
files with .eml extensions. ;)



U> If you know the solution to the problem, please tell us!

Curious as to why some were able and some were not able to open .eml files,
I installed TB! on another PC (temporarily) with OExpress v5 AND Outlook 98
already installed but was still unable to open .eml files with TB! So,
whether, you have, have had, or have never had Outlook programs installed
has absolutely nothing to do with TB!s claimed .eml file viewing
capabilities.

My registry had an .eml key in the reg as mentioned (even though it has
never had Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Outlook Express installed) in a
previous posting, and I backed it up and then removed it. Result: eml files
open with notepad, the default system viewer. Reregged eml extension and eml
files then open as attachement as before. I think this is more likely to be
a feature that TB! does not yet include.

(I even imported keys from the Oulook machine without success)

.

Just read Marck's response. Seems that his answer would be correct. However,
it does raise the question as to how some particular users are able to have
TB!s internal viewer open .eml files. This is indeed a mystery.



U> If TB! calls Outlook Express or Notepad or some other program to open
U> sample.eml then you have the problem.

U>  If TB! opens a blank mail message
U> in an "Edit Mail Message" editor window and shows sample.eml as an
U> attachment (which you cannot open) then you also have the problem.

I would not say it was a problem as such as this has yet to be determined.
It could be a 'unique feature' to some individuals ;)

Slán anois, 

 Simon  send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Usin' TB! v1.41 & registered

  stop hiding from brain dead browsers

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Quin Selman]

Hello Uwe,

Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 12:34:41 AM, you wrote:

I may as well join in the survey. Both MSG and EML attachments open for
me in TB! internal viewer.

Win95a
Bat version 1.41
IE 5.00.2314.1003IC installed
Cipher Strength: 40-bit
Update
Versions:q23142;q23140;3717;3725;q240308;q241361;q413362;q241[remainder
cut off]
IE5.0 set to use The Bat! for mail; Forte Agent for News; MSNetMeeting
for Internet Call

MSG (Outlook item) associated with outlook.exe (I've never used Outlook or set it up)
EML (Outlook Express Mail Message) associated with MSIMN.exe Content
type: message/rfc822 (I've never set up Outlook Express

Best regards,
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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[tracer]

Hello Uwe Brockmann,
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:34:41 + GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 2:34:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Uwe Brockmann wrote:




> Version 5.00.2014.0216
> Cipher Strength: 128-bit
> Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308;
> q241362;q242542;q2 (the rest of the text is
> cut off and I do not know how to make it
> visible)

> Here is what I have according to the Version tab of the
> properties of my IEexplore.exe file:

> File Version: 5.00.2014.200
> Created: Wednesday, February 24, 1999
> Modified: Wednesday, February 24, 1999

I have  standard USA 98 v2, 40 bit key.
version 5.00.2614.3500

In case anyone running windows 2000 wants to grab the 128 key ie5, be
warned, it has severe bugs and ms send warnings out...





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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Allie Martin]

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:11:02 -0800, Justin D. Paine wrote:

> I'll add more data to my profile, perhaps it will help you. I have
> I.E. 5.00.2920. installed. Have not installed Outlook2000 since my
> last reinstall, and have not ever bothered to setup OExpress (still
> trying to find a way to get that crap off my system and out of my
> registry ) Both of your attachments opened up in TheBat!'s
> internal viewer. I can send a screenshot if you'd like. (off list of
> course)

This is my exact situation and OExpress opens the attachment.
:

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Allie Martin]

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:34:41 +, Uwe Brockmann wrote:

** snip **

> (8) source of suggestion:
> Alexander V. Kiselev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> suggestion (paraphrased):
> "The problem is caused by some versions of Microsoft Internet
> Explorer or other installed software.  Start search for the
> cause of the problem by comparing installed versions of
> Internet Explorer."
> result:
> Here is what I have according to "Help --> About Internet
> Explorer":

> Version 5.00.2014.0216
> Cipher Strength: 128-bit
> Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308;
> q241362;q242542;q2 (the rest of the text is
> cut off and I do not know how to make it
> visible)


> If you think that Alexander V. Kiselev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has the
> right idea, please feel free to state your version of Internet Explorer.

Ok. My version of IE is 5.00.2920.
   Cipher strength 56bit

I'm using a different build from yours and still OExpress
opens the attachment. Have the other Win2K users updated their IE
installations?

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[David Elliott]

Hi Marck,

On  15  March  2000 at 10:29:22 GMT + (which was about 10:29 where I
live)  Marck  D. Pearlstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about "How to
open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?" and made these points:

MDP> My  conclusion  is  that, in theory, no-one should be able to open eml
MDP> files  in the TB internal viewer. Yet some can :-/. IMHO, it will take
MDP> a  code  change  in  TB  to make this a cross platform / configuration
MDP> feature.

I have to agree with Marck as I have just done the same.



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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Uwe,

On  15 March 2000  at  07:34:41 GMT + (which was 07:34 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

> The  following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
> internal viewer without any problems:

[snip]

> The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
> internal viewer:

[snip]

> So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group
> are experiencing.

I  have  fiddled  with  the registry and file type definitions here to
make .eml and .msg files identical in definition as "msgfile" types.

When  the  registry  contains  a  file  type  definition  for  opening
"msgfile"  types,  msg files are opened internally to TB and eml files
are  opened  using  the external editor (I have set that to be TextPad
now,  where  it was originally a RunDll call for the OE Message Viewer
DLL).

When the registry no file type definition for opening "msgfile" types,
msg  files are opened internally to TB and eml files are not opened (a
dialog box opens asking which application to use).

I have found "msg" as a known extension within the source code for TB.
"eml" is not mentioned.

My  conclusion  is  that, in theory, no-one should be able to open eml
files  in the TB internal viewer. Yet some can :-/. IMHO, it will take
a  code  change  in  TB  to make this a cross platform / configuration
feature.

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Justin D. Paine]

Hello Uwe,

I'll add more data to my profile, perhaps it will help you. I have
I.E. 5.00.2920. installed. Have not installed Outlook2000 since my
last reinstall, and have not ever bothered to setup OExpress (still
trying to find a way to get that crap off my system and out of my
registry ) Both of your attachments opened up in TheBat!'s
internal viewer. I can send a screenshot if you'd like. (off list of
course)

Best regards,

Justin

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Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 11:34:41 PM, you wrote:

UB> The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
UB> internal viewer without any problems:

UB> (1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5.0 Build 2195
UB> (2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build  A
UB> (3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build 1998

UB> The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
UB> internal viewer:

UB> (1) Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10
UB> (2) Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UB> (3) Roy Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 95
UB> (4) tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98
UB> (5) Allie Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5 Build 2195

UB> So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group are
UB> experiencing.

UB> None of the following suggestions have allowed TB! users to solve the
UB> problem themselves:



UB> Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Uwe Brockmann]

Uwe Brockmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:34:41 +:
> The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
> internal viewer without any problems:
> 
> (1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5.0 Build 2195
> (2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build  A
> (3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build 1998

I missed one person:

(4) Alexander V. Kiselev, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 95 OSR2 Build  b

Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, March 15, 2000, Uwe Brockmann wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?:

UB> If you think that Alexander V. Kiselev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has the
UB> right idea, please feel free to state your version of Internet Explorer.

I  am  in  the second group. TB! opens .msg attachments and suggest to
choose application for .eml files.

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Uwe Brockmann]

The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
internal viewer without any problems:

(1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5.0 Build 2195
(2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build  A
(3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build 1998

The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's
internal viewer:

(1) Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10
(2) Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(3) Roy Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 95
(4) tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98
(5) Allie Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5 Build 2195

So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group are
experiencing.

None of the following suggestions have allowed TB! users to solve the
problem themselves:

(1) source of suggestion:
Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion (paraphrased):
"There may be different versions of TB! that are all numbered
1.41. Try downloading the latest version."
result:
No change.

(2) source of suggestion:
Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion (paraphrased):
"Delete Windows' .eml file association."
result:
Windows asks for program to use when user attempts to open a
.eml file.

(3) source of suggestion:
Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marek Mikus, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion (paraphrased):
"Change Windows' .eml file association to The Bat!"
result:
TB! opens an empty file in "Edit Mail Message" editor and shows
.eml file as attachment.  Clicking on .eml attachment
recursively opens another empty file in another "Edit Mail
Message" editor window.  However, the contents of the .eml file
is never displayed.

(4) source of suggestion:
Dieter Hummel, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion (paraphrased):
"Wait for TB! version 2.0 which will provide for calling an
external editor."
result:
Calling an external editor would not solve the problem.  Version
2.0 is not out yet.

(5) source of suggestion:
Oleg Zalyalov, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion (paraphrased):
"The authors of TB! should modify the source code of TB! so that
TB! wil treat .eml files exactly like .msg files. This
modification should be incorporated into version 1.42 of TB!."
result:
This should solve the problem.  However, this solution can only
be applied by the authors of TB!

(6) source of suggestion:
Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion (paraphrased):
"Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft
Outlook Express have been installed."
result:
This does not work for me.

(7) source of suggestion:
Allie Martin
suggestion (paraphrased):
"Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook Express has
never been installed."
result:
This was not necessary for Tony Boom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and
Justin D. Paine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) who both succeeded at
opening .eml attachments with TB!'s internal viewer.

(8) source of suggestion:
Alexander V. Kiselev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
suggestion (paraphrased):
"The problem is caused by some versions of Microsoft Internet
Explorer or other installed software.  Start search for the
cause of the problem by comparing installed versions of
Internet Explorer."
result:
Here is what I have according to "Help --> About Internet
Explorer":

Version 5.00.2014.0216
Cipher Strength: 128-bit
Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308;
q241362;q242542;q2 (the rest of the text is
cut off and I do not know how to make it
visible)

Here is what I have according to the Version tab of the
properties of my IEexplore.exe file:

File Version: 5.00.2014.200
Created: Wednesday, February 24, 1999
Modified: Wednesday, February 24, 1999

If you think that Alexander V. Kiselev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has the
right idea, please feel free to state your version of Internet Explorer.

If you know the solution to the problem, please tell us!

I enclose the two sample files sample.eml and sample.msg as
attachments again.  If TB! displays them identically with its internal
viewer then you do not have a problem.

If TB! calls Outlook Express or Notepad or some other program to open
sample.eml then you have the problem.  If TB! opens a blank mail message
in an "Edit Mail Message" editor window and shows sample.eml as an
attachment (which you cannot open) then you also have the problem.

Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Justin D. Paine]

Hello Allie,

Yup. I have OExpress installed (by default.. that's win2k for ya) but
TheBat! still opens those attachments..

Best regards,

Justin

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Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 4:29:50 AM, you wrote:

AM> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:10:21 +, Simon wrote:

>> Hows that then? I am also running 1.41 final but TB! does not open the eml
>> file when I try to view it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact
>> that OExpress and Outlook are not, and have never been, part of this
>> particular windows installation and therefore the file extension is not
>> already registered?

AM> OExpress opens and views the .eml file on my system. :(
AM> Probably it has something to do with the associations. Those that are
AM> able to open it in TB!. Do they have OExpress installed?




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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Tony Boom]

 

This message: 14/03/2000 23:31 GMT.


  Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 6:35:42 PM, Jan-Arild wrote:

JAL> Hello Tony,

JAL> That must be a GEDCOM-file.

JAL> All genealogy programs have their own ways of storing/organizing data.

Hi Jan.

You  are very correct and my utmost thanks. My wife has just started out
on  this  genealogy  trip,  tracing  her roots and all that. The file in
question was addressed to her and was a family tree of some sort.

Looks  like I got to spend more money on software now. Believe it or not
it's  the only attachment other than zip files that TB hasn't managed to
display itself.

Thanks again.

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Tony,

Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 2:22:47 PM, you wrote:

> I do have here an attachment that has been sent to me with a .ged
> extension that I can't open if anyone knows what program that's
> associated with?

That must be a GEDCOM-file.

All genealogy programs have their own ways of storing/organizing data.
GEDCOM is an attempt to standardize transport of genealogy data between
different programs, and is (as far as I know), the only common format
for this purpose today.

You will ned a program like "Family Tree Maker" or "Brothers Keeper"
to open ged-files.

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Allie Martin]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:22:47 +, Tony Boom wrote:

AM>> OExpress opens and views the .eml file on my system. :(
AM>> Probably it has something to do with the associations. Those that
AM>> are able to open it in TB!. Do they have OExpress installed?


>   Yes,  I have Outlook Express and Outlook installed on here and neither
>   of  them  tried  to  open  when  I  viewed  both  the  .eml  and  .msg
>   attachments.

>   TB  opened  both  files  identically with it's own internal viewer
>   and I've  never  changed  any  reg  entries  or  file associations
>   since I started using TB. In fact I've never done either, ever.

Hmmm. Interesting. I looked at my file types and see Outlook
Express registered to open .eml files. I changed it to TB! and when I
try to open the .eml file, TB! opens a new message with the file as an
attachment. Ah well.

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 14 Mar 00, at 8:52, Uwe Brockmann wrote
about "Re: How to open attached files with .EML...":

Hello guys, I'm not even trying to shed some light to the problem discussed 
by you (although if I were you, I'd first of all compare the IE versions you've 
got outta there;-) IMHO, *.eml is one of the filetypes used by this 
"application", which might or might not affect how TB works with these files, 
depending on other M$ stuff you've got installed. FWIW, I've got win'95 
OSR2 build b Russian, some traces (maybe) of MSIE 3.0 -- although I 
did my best to get rid of it completely, and both MSGs and ELMs are 
opened by TB internally here. Besides, no Outlook installed here;-)). 

Now just in case I'm providing some information that might have escaped 
you. Both *.msg and *.eml files are just "invented" by TB. For example, 
when a message comes that has a message/rfc822 attachment, TB will 
display this attached message as something like .msg. Note that 
there were *absolutely nothing* in the original message that claimed that 
this attachment needs to get this name (!!!). In my understanding, this is a 
major shortcoming of TB internals, which has been discussed on this list 
more then once, BTW. 

Now as for the *.eml filenames. Again, these are "invented" (or, well, say 
"introduced", it really doesn't matter too much;-)) by TB internally under the 
following circumstances: *if* the incoming message has a message/rfc822 
attachment, *which*, in turn, has a message/rfc822 attachment *itself*. This 
latter attached message is denoted as .eml by TB (God knows why;-
)) 

So the dry remainder of all this discussion is: the person who has sent you 
the message *did not* attach neither *.msg nor *.eml files to it (sic!).

Meanwhile, this your message I'm replying to reveals a (_serious_) bug in 
TB treatment of message/rfc822 attachments. Look below.

> To illustrate the problem, I enclose two identical copies of a sample
> .EML file that I created with Microsoft Outlook Express.  The first
> attachment is named "sample.eml".  The second attachment is named
> "sample.msg".

...And here's how it looked like (my comments inside):

19111A12FA030F5
Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="sample.eml"
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sample.eml"

 This IS a bug! A Content-type: message/rfc822 _implies_ (see 
RFCs) that there the content-transfer-encoding is to be set to either 7bit or 
8bit, other types are prohibited... But:


MIME-Version: 1.0

ZXJzaW9uOiAxLjANCkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogbXVsdGlwYXJ0L2FsdGVybmF0aXZlOw0KCWJvdW5k
YXJ5PSItLS0tPV9OZXh0UGFydF8wMDBfMDAwNF8wMUJGOEQ2NC4zNDAxMjcwMCINClgtUHJpb3Jp


 You see, this was supposedly a base64-encoded block, but 
without properly set content-transfer-encoding this is nothing but crap;-( 
Anyhow, the base64 was _not_ allowed for this part, see above and RFCs


19111A12FA030F5
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="sample.msg"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sample.msg"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

RnJvbTogIlV3ZSBCcm9ja21hbm4iIDx1d2VAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IA0KTUlNRS1W
ZXJzaW9uOiAxLjANCkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogbXVsdGlwYXJ0L2FsdGVybmF0aXZlOw0KCWJvdW5k


OTOH, this part is all right, but _why_on_earth_ the content-transfer-encoding 
has been set _twice_ here really escapes me!!!


So well, I'm CCing it as a bug report to RIT labs, of course;-)

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Dieter Hummel]

Hello Listmembers,

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 at 18:33:10 [GMT +0400] Oleg Zalyalov wrote:


MM>> "Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0".

> I don't have such file type.

I have such a file type - v 5.0 ...

MIME-type is message/rfc822 - and this type offers only .mht, .mhtml and
.nws file extensions and uses DDE.

Just  for  curiousity  in  general: how can you add another or more file
extension(s) to a MIME-type?

Regards
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Re[4]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Tuesday, March 14, 2000, Marek Mikus wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?:

MM> For EML extension is "Description of File Type":

MM> "Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0".

MM> Try to find it and change to TB.

I don't have such file type.

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Re[3]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Marek Mikus]

Hello,
Tuesday, March 14, 2000, You wrote:

> Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

> Tuesday, March 14, 2000, Allie Martin wrote to Simon on TB!UDL about
> How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?:

AM>> OExpress opens and views the .eml file on my system. :(
AM>> Probably it has something to do with the associations. Those that are
AM>> able to open it in TB!. Do they have OExpress installed?

> Never.  And  I  have not found any associations both for .eml and .msg
> extensions.


For EML extension is "Description of File Type":

"Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0".

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Tony Boom]

 

This message: 14/03/2000 13:13 GMT.


  Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 12:29:50 PM, Allie wrote:

AM> OExpress opens and views the .eml file on my system. :(
AM> Probably it has something to do with the associations. Those that are
AM> able to open it in TB!. Do they have OExpress installed?


  Yes,  I have Outlook Express and Outlook installed on here and neither
  of  them  tried  to  open  when  I  viewed  both  the  .eml  and  .msg
  attachments.

  TB  opened  both  files  identically with it's own internal viewer and
  I've  never  changed  any  reg  entries  or  file associations since I
  started using TB. In fact I've never done either, ever.

  I  do  have  here  an  attachment that has been sent to me with a .ged
  extension  that  I  can't  open  if  anyone  knows what program that's
  associated with?


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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Tuesday, March 14, 2000, Allie Martin wrote to Simon on TB!UDL about
How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?:

AM> OExpress opens and views the .eml file on my system. :(
AM> Probably it has something to do with the associations. Those that are
AM> able to open it in TB!. Do they have OExpress installed?

Never.  And  I  have not found any associations both for .eml and .msg
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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Allie Martin]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:10:21 +, Simon wrote:

> Hows that then? I am also running 1.41 final but TB! does not open the eml
> file when I try to view it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact
> that OExpress and Outlook are not, and have never been, part of this
> particular windows installation and therefore the file extension is not
> already registered?

OExpress opens and views the .eml file on my system. :(
Probably it has something to do with the associations. Those that are
able to open it in TB!. Do they have OExpress installed?

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[tracer]

Hello Roy Jackson,
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:11:26 + GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 5:11:26 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Roy Jackson wrote:


> Hi tracer,

> Thanks for your message.

> When I attempted what you advised I got an Edit Mail Message window to no on in
> particular with the .eml file as an attachment.

same here, the msg file opens in viewer...
Sounds like both can be properly fixed under 1.42 (g)


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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[tracer]

Hello Simon,
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:11:52 + GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 5:11:52 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Simon wrote:


> Hello Tracer,

> you posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

t>> remove association eml to outlook express.
t>> click on this eml message andselect the bat as required program.
t>> It will now open the bat

t>> Tested on your email

> Odd. First thing I tried but opened in TB! as attachment. Shall look at
> registry to make sure I have 100% rid myself of .eml and emlfile extensions.

Donot ask, I just did it...
I run latest the BAT, 98v2 and normally donot use ol express...
I havent checked the registry..



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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

David Elliott posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

DE> Open  up regedit and look eml if M$ Outlook or express has been loaded you
DE> will see links into them from .eml

Funny how .eml seems to registered whether or not you ever installed
OExpress or Outlook! This PC has been 100% 'clean' of both apps so there is
no reason why the extension should be in my registry. Cheers Bill!

DE> It even quotes RFC822.

Got a link?

DE> Oxymoron alert "Microsoft and RFC"

Or even "Microsoft and Customer"  ;)

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

I posted the following to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in reply to Tracers comments:

S> Odd. First thing I tried but opened in TB! as attachment. Shall look at
S> registry to make sure I have 100% rid myself of .eml and emlfile extensions.

Off course, if like me, you have Notepad open everything that doesn't have
an association, then as soon as you delete the .eml class entry from
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, eml files are now opened with Notepad. Even if you then
associate eml files with TB! they open as an attachment still.

Let me know your special technique Tracer :)
  

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

Hello Tracer,

you posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

t> remove association eml to outlook express.
t> click on this eml message andselect the bat as required program.
t> It will now open the bat

t> Tested on your email

Odd. First thing I tried but opened in TB! as attachment. Shall look at
registry to make sure I have 100% rid myself of .eml and emlfile extensions.

Bye

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[David Elliott]

Hi Januk,

On  14  March  2000 at 01:42:12 GMT -0800 (which was about 09:42 where I
live)  Januk  Aggarwal  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote  about  "How  to  open
attached files with ".EML" file extensions?" and made these points:

>> Januk Aggarwal posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

JA>>> I can view both of them using TB.  No external editors/viewers.  See
JA>>> my sig for my version info.

>> Hows that then? I am also running 1.41 final but TB! does not open the eml
>> file when I try to view it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact
>> that OExpress and Outlook are not, and have never been, part of this
>> particular windows installation and therefore the file extension is not
>> already registered?

JA> I don't have OExpress or Outlook on this machine either.  I don't know
JA> what the problem could be.  Have you tried downloading the absolute
JA> latest 1.41 final release?  I get the feeling that very minor fixes
JA> like this are kind of just slipped in when nobody is looking. :)

Open  up regedit and look eml if M$ Outlook or express has been loaded you
will see links into them from .eml

It even quotes RFC822.

Oxymoron alert "Microsoft and RFC"

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Roy Jackson]

Hi tracer,

Thanks for your message.

When I attempted what you advised I got an Edit Mail Message window to no on in
particular with the .eml file as an attachment.



Best wishes,  Roy  Using the Bat 1.41 and Windows 95

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Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 10:01:28 AM, you wrote:

t> Hello Uwe Brockmann,
t> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:52:38 + GMT your local time,
t> which was Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 3:52:38 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
t> Uwe Brockmann wrote:


>> TB! 1.41 can open "sample.msg" with its internal viewer but has to call
>> Outlook Express to open "sample.eml".

>> Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t> remove association eml to outlook express.
t> click on this eml message andselect the bat as required program.
t> It will now open the bat

t> Tested on your email

t> Best regards,
 
t> tracer

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

How-do-you-do Januk,

You posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:



>> Hows that then? I am also running 1.41 final but TB! does not open the eml
>> file when I try to view it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact
>> that OExpress and Outlook are not, and have never been, part of this
>> particular windows installation and therefore the file extension is not
>> already registered?

JA> I don't have OExpress or Outlook on this machine either.  I don't know
JA> what the problem could be.  Have you tried downloading the absolute
JA> latest 1.41 final release?  I get the feeling that very minor fixes
JA> like this are kind of just slipped in when nobody is looking. :)

Although I did dl the final, I shall still go and do so again just in case
there have been some last second mods.
  
Thanks,

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[tracer]

Hello Uwe Brockmann,
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:52:38 + GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 3:52:38 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Uwe Brockmann wrote:


> TB! 1.41 can open "sample.msg" with its internal viewer but has to call
> Outlook Express to open "sample.eml".

> Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

remove association eml to outlook express.
click on this eml message andselect the bat as required program.
It will now open the bat

Tested on your email

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Simon,


On  Tuesday, March 14, 2000  at  09:10:21 GMT + (which was 1:10 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:



> How-do-you-do,

> Januk Aggarwal posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

JA>> I can view both of them using TB.  No external editors/viewers.  See
JA>> my sig for my version info.

> Hows that then? I am also running 1.41 final but TB! does not open the eml
> file when I try to view it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact
> that OExpress and Outlook are not, and have never been, part of this
> particular windows installation and therefore the file extension is not
> already registered?

I don't have OExpress or Outlook on this machine either.  I don't know
what the problem could be.  Have you tried downloading the absolute
latest 1.41 final release?  I get the feeling that very minor fixes
like this are kind of just slipped in when nobody is looking. :)


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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Januk Aggarwal posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

JA> I can view both of them using TB.  No external editors/viewers.  See
JA> my sig for my version info.

Hows that then? I am also running 1.41 final but TB! does not open the eml
file when I try to view it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact
that OExpress and Outlook are not, and have never been, part of this
particular windows installation and therefore the file extension is not
already registered?

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Uwe,


On  Tuesday, March 14, 2000  at  08:52:38 GMT + (which was 12:52 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> To illustrate the problem, I enclose two identical copies of a sample
> .EML file that I created with Microsoft Outlook Express.  The first
> attachment is named "sample.eml".  The second attachment is named
> "sample.msg".

> TB! 1.41 can open "sample.msg" with its internal viewer but has to call
> Outlook Express to open "sample.eml".

I can view both of them using TB.  No external editors/viewers.  See
my sig for my version info.

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Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Justin D. Paine]

Hello Uwe,

I'm able to view both of those attachments with TheBat!. OExpress
didn't open up for either one. I was also able to see the nested .html
file.

Best regards,

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Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 12:52:38 AM, you wrote:

UB> Dieter Hummel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:35:14 +0100:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 at 06:13:32 [GMT +] Uwe Brockmann wrote:
>> > I suspect that the problem (of having to call Outlook Express from
>> > within The Bat! to read some e-mail) can only be solved by modifying
>> > TB!'s source code.
>>
>> It should be solved with v2.0 which reportedly will give you the
>> choice for an external editor.

UB> A capability for calling an external editor, while desirable, would not
UB> solve this problem.  TB! has both a built-in editor and a built-in
UB> message viewer.  The latter has no editing functions.  You can use it
UB> to look at messages but not to edit them.  The problem is that there is
UB> no way to call this built-in viewer to look at attached .EML files even
UB> though the viewer is capable of displaying them.

UB> To illustrate the problem, I enclose two identical copies of a sample
UB> .EML file that I created with Microsoft Outlook Express.  The first
UB> attachment is named "sample.eml".  The second attachment is named
UB> "sample.msg".

UB> TB! 1.41 can open "sample.msg" with its internal viewer but has to call
UB> Outlook Express to open "sample.eml".

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

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Oleg Zalyalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:03:14
+0400:
> Why wait for 2.0 if the only thing that has to be done is to add eml
> to supported extensions and treat .eml attachments the very same way
> as .msg ones?

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

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Dieter Hummel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:35:14 +0100:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 at 06:13:32 [GMT +] Uwe Brockmann wrote:
> > I suspect that the problem (of having to call Outlook Express from
> > within The Bat! to read some e-mail) can only be solved by modifying
> > TB!'s source code.
>
> It should be solved with v2.0 which reportedly will give you the
> choice for an external editor.

A capability for calling an external editor, while desirable, would not
solve this problem.  TB! has both a built-in editor and a built-in
message viewer.  The latter has no editing functions.  You can use it
to look at messages but not to edit them.  The problem is that there is
no way to call this built-in viewer to look at attached .EML files even
though the viewer is capable of displaying them.

To illustrate the problem, I enclose two identical copies of a sample
.EML file that I created with Microsoft Outlook Express.  The first
attachment is named "sample.eml".  The second attachment is named
"sample.msg".

TB! 1.41 can open "sample.msg" with its internal viewer but has to call
Outlook Express to open "sample.eml".

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LjM0MDEyNzAwLS0NCg==

 sample.msg

Re[2]: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Monday, March 13, 2000, Dieter Hummel wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?:

DH> It  should be solved with v2.0 which reportedly will give you the choice
DH> for an external editor.

Why  wait  for 2.0 if the only thing that has to be done is to add eml
to  supported  extensions and treat .eml attachments the very same way
as .msg ones?

It  is  not  a  matter of associations -- there are no associations to
.msg on my system, nevertheless TB! perfectly open them.

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

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Hello Listmembers,

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 at 06:13:32 [GMT +] Uwe Brockmann wrote:


> I  suspect  that  the  problem (of having to call Outlook Express from
> within  The  Bat! to read some e-mail) can only be solved by modifying
> TB!'s source code.

It  should be solved with v2.0 which reportedly will give you the choice
for an external editor.

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Uwe Brockmann]

Januk Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sun, 13 Mar 2000 05:01:24 +:
>  You've probably tried this, but have you tried deleting the
>  association for .EML files?  Just do what you would to change the
>  .EML file type, but instead of editing it, delete it.
> 
>  Or you can try changing the .EML file type to open in TheBat.exe
>  I'm not sure if that will work, but it might be worth a shot.

If I try to open a .EML file with thebat.exe, TB! opens an editor window
instead of a viewer window.  The .EML file is shown as an attachment.
If I try to open the attachment, TB! recursively opens another editor
window which again shows the .EML file as an attachment.  I can never
see the contents of the attachment even if it consists of plain ASCII
text!

Deleting Windows 98's .EML file association only delays my choice of
program for opening .EML files until the time I actually open one.  It
does not provide me with additional choices.

I see the following choice of programs for opening .EML files:

(1) Outlook Express (ugly, but works)
(2) Notepad or other text viewer or editor (cannot handle
nested attachments)
(3) The Bat! (does not work!)

On my computer .MSG files are associated with Microsoft Exchange.
Nonetheless TB! opens them with its internal viewer which is what I
want.  Therefore I suspect that TB! has a hard-coded internal file
association between .MSG files and its internal viewer that overrides
Windows 98's .MSG file associations.  Unfortunately, TB! does not
provide a hard-coded or user-configurable file association between .EML
files and its internal viewer.

Unfortunately, TB!'s internal viewer cannot be called from the command
line thus making it impossible for the user to create a file association
between .EML files and TB!'s internal viewer with the Windows 98 file
association mechanism.

I suspect that the problem (of having to call Outlook Express from
within The Bat! to read some e-mail) can only be solved by modifying
TB!'s source code.

Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Uwe,


On  Sunday, March 12, 2000  at  04:48:41 GMT + (which was 8:48 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> I am currently evaluating TB! under Windows 98.  I sometimes receive
> e-mail containing attached files with ".EML" file extensions.  TB! calls
> Microsoft Outlook Express to open them with the command

> "C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe" /eml:%1

> That works fine.  However, I would much prefer opening these files with
> TB!'s built-in message viewer.  Is there a way to do that?

> So far TB! has been able to properly open all of my ".EML" attachments 
> with its internal viewer after I renamed their file extensions to
> ".MSG".  Thus the problem may be reducible to getting TB! to treat
> ".EML" attachments like ".MSG" attachments.

> I cannot solve the problem by changing Windows 98's ".EML" file
> associations because I cannot invoke TB!'s message viewer from the
> command line.

> I do not want to open my ".EML" attachments with a dumb viewer or editor
> such as Microsoft Notepad because some of these attachments contain
> further nested attachments.

 You've probably tried this, but have you tried deleting the
 association for .EML files?  Just do what you would to change the
 .EML file type, but instead of editing it, delete it.

 Or you can try changing the .EML file type to open in TheBat.exe
 I'm not sure if that will work, but it might be worth a shot.


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How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?

[Uwe Brockmann]

I am currently evaluating TB! under Windows 98.  I sometimes receive
e-mail containing attached files with ".EML" file extensions.  TB! calls
Microsoft Outlook Express to open them with the command

"C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe" /eml:%1

That works fine.  However, I would much prefer opening these files with
TB!'s built-in message viewer.  Is there a way to do that?

So far TB! has been able to properly open all of my ".EML" attachments 
with its internal viewer after I renamed their file extensions to
".MSG".  Thus the problem may be reducible to getting TB! to treat
".EML" attachments like ".MSG" attachments.

I cannot solve the problem by changing Windows 98's ".EML" file
associations because I cannot invoke TB!'s message viewer from the
command line.

I do not want to open my ".EML" attachments with a dumb viewer or editor
such as Microsoft Notepad because some of these attachments contain
further nested attachments.

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Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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