Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
Marck D Pearlstone @ 2006-7-13 3:14:03 AM
"ISP's Blocking TheBat"
> I suppress the X-Mailer header by the configuration option and use
> this macro:
> %SetHeader("User-agent","TB/%THEBATVERSION (by RITlabs)")%-
> To insert my own variant. I am proud to use TB, but have to
> acknowledge that some very poorly educated ISPs out there are
> behaving irresponsibly.
Neat! Thanks.
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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
Hi Alexander, on Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:25:34 +0200GMT (13.07.2006, 18:25 +0200GMT here), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> The logic of ISPs blocking mails according to the content of the ASK> X-Mailer header is beyond any comprehension - how many of your 189 spam ASK> e-mails claim to be created by Outlook/Outlook Express? ASK> Conclusion: I'd ask the ISP that blocks TB messages to block all ASK> Outlook/Outlook Express messages as well. I have the same problem here with the German ISP 1und1.de. I corresponded with their support about this, but they insisted on the header being forged, because their spam filter reported "FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_CS". I had to disable their filter for one account. Peculiarly it only happens with the German lists, and then mostly, but not restricted, to users of TB! v1.x or 2.x. For the English lists I only have to whitelist the senders with (too many) numerals in their address. The TB! header doesn't seem to matter... hmm -- Cheers Peter Live simply so that others may simply live. Mohandas Gandhi Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
Hello »Q« & everyone else, on 13-Jul-2006 at 03:46 you (»Q«) wrote: > FWIW, of the 189 spam e-mails in my kill log for today, 9 are > pretending to be from The Bat!, so it's still going on. Erm. The only thing "still going on" is that spammers fake their mass mailings' X-Mailer header - and it will probably be that way as long as spam exists. The logic of ISPs blocking mails according to the content of the X-Mailer header is beyond any comprehension - how many of your 189 spam e-mails claim to be created by Outlook/Outlook Express? Conclusion: I'd ask the ISP that blocks TB messages to block all Outlook/Outlook Express messages as well. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) We are waiting for the UFO's. We know that they're there. -- Graham Parker Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 4:50:42, rich gregory wrote: > Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's > configuriblity. Actually, some spamware uses TB's X-Mailer header, which caused the confusion. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://deepthought.ena.si/ > You cant push on a rope. -- Second Law of Physics Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
Dear Rich,
@12-Jul-2006, 22:50 -0400 (13-Jul 03:50 here) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
...
RG> Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's
RG> configuriblity.
Untrue. There was a spam remailer software package that offered a The
Bat! X-Mailer header as one of its camouflage options. Along with
Outlook Express and a few others. The spam was sent by this mean and
not by The Bat!, making ignorant ISP techs react in an insane manner.
http://www.ritlabs.com/ru/products/thebat/advice_detail.php?ID=189
This URL should be passed on to any ISP found to be arbitrarily
banning TB messages.
...
IAW>> Maybe RITLabs needs to allow the user to enter whatever text they want
IAW>> there!
RG> Wasn't there an .EXE hack for TB! some versions ago, before that
RG> option made it's way into TB!, that would allow you to do just
RG> that?
The option exists freely and I have use it. Check my headers.
I suppress the X-Mailer header by the configuration option and use
this macro:
%SetHeader("User-agent","TB/%THEBATVERSION (by RITlabs)")%-
To insert my own variant. I am proud to use TB, but have to
acknowledge that some very poorly educated ISPs out there are behaving
irresponsibly.
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Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
TB! v3.81.07 Beta on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2
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Re[2]: ISP's Blocking TheBat
In reply to : rg>> Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's rg>> configuriblity. This lead to some ISPs decision to simply ban TB! rg>> traffic than to expend any effort toward better filters. This practice rg>> is seeming hard coded into some ISPs' thinking (&/or hardware software rg>> even maybe) to this day. IAW> I suppose on that basis, Outlook Express should be absolutely high on IAW> the list of such programs then. My thought exactly! :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Two guys walk into a bar. Why didn't the second one duck? Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
This is the reason that the option even exists under the options menu to choose to not include TB! as the X-Mailer. > Wasn't there an .EXE hack for TB! some versions ago, before that option > made it's way into TB!, that would allow you to do just that? > Richie Yes. I used it. Someone here was kind enough to create it for me. -- Elaine Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: ISP's Blocking TheBat
L>> I haven't run into this, but I'm quite new to TB. L>> Why does this happen? IAW> If you have the X-Mailer option checked under IAW> Options|Preferences|General, then The Bat! is identified in the IAW> message headers. This is what they check to make their arbitrary IAW> decision. Unckeck this and all should be OK. Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's configuriblity. This lead to some ISPs decision to simply ban TB! traffic than to expend any effort toward better filters. This practice is seeming hard coded into some ISPs' thinking (&/or hardware software even maybe) to this day. This is the reason that the option even exists under the options menu to choose to not include TB! as the X-Mailer. IAW> Maybe RITLabs needs to allow the user to enter whatever text they want IAW> there! Wasn't there an .EXE hack for TB! some versions ago, before that option made it's way into TB!, that would allow you to do just that? Richie -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and leaky tire. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
Ian A. White @ 2006-7-12 7:19:56 PM "ISP's Blocking TheBat" > This is what they check to make their arbitrary decision. Unckeck > this and all should be OK. When Ian say "they" he/she means anti-spam programs. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers. pgpFx1KuMK2DZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ."_)~~ ~( __ _"o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 12 Jul 2006, @ @ at 18:23:55 -0400, when Laurie wrote: > H Yep. > I haven't run into this, but I'm quite new to TB. > Why does this happen? Due to spectacular malfunction in the process of deductive reasoning. An excellent material for anthropologists of 21st century. *** Besides, and apart from this, Laurie, since you are new to TB, if you don't like the smell of a (not very fresh) trout, then you shouldn't top-post when you reply to a message (only bottom-posting is acceptable after the rules of the list), and you should have so called cut-mark, at the end of your message. The "cut-mark" consists of two dashes and one empty (letter) space, at the beginning of the line, after which you hit the enter button: "-- ". *** (It would be also very good if someone would include eventually these two basic informations/rules in the famous "Mission Statement", together with needed explanations what they serve for and how to apply them, so the new people could have a chance to avoid trouting for nothing. I suppose that such things have higher priority than those about "The Roguemoticon Project" and on how thus to enter The Bat Cartoon Network. Actually, is there something like that in a message every member gets after just had been subscribed to the list? I vaguely remember that time...does such a message still exist in these modern times?) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo & Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From|Reply To" field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn-4169 <>o<> tiger192 (MSYS/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRLWRYrSpHvHEUtv8AQMt6wgAsKUZj6QmuYR4Za9bAfalg2MlPR9Gqdwm 5YCEX7qpPi/F4cbhttm+37lv4glZe74XvqgBsb0RPBO79/OrC7Go+ufrOZKbpCNt IKQa1QjdNsC6BDAdNQaTv+kUIIeAZeSSl/c/BUB/YZoAzuFuWbpfqijCopMmr98K bGWKxXYvMcsw3wUFPVzTVxR1XeDZn44JMtKYs6wAerEI7OyWixV8OnaGNYDGcL+Y 1+r4SU0A41y3ShmR3zJA233LaRJZMJf9as2/224mTGYMIl80aF6nDCTtYA9V/o4I s3L5DKIaU2r0DNHZsMIP/QlTnhaFAY1oPchOfu/Pf3/PrjZHjqzBeg== =/o0S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: ISP's Blocking TheBat
H I haven't run into this, but I'm quite new to TB. Why does this happen? Laurie Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 4:32:54 PM, you wrote: >> I've recently had a couple of emails blocked from two different ISP's >> who claim The Bat is a known spammer. Of course I know this is >> bull, and I forwarded the info at Ritlabs on the subject to their >> IT Dept's to no avail. Can I use a filter to change the x-mail header >> when I send an email to these two people who use these ISP's? Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 at 13:00:37 -0700, Comprestore wrote: > Can I use a filter to change the x-mail header when I send an email > to these two people who use these ISP's? X-Mailer cannot be edited or otherwise changed from within TB! If you want to modify it for selected recipients, you will either need an external application like X-Ray Mail Assistant (http://xrayapp.com), or use the "User-Agent" header for your mailer information (see the headers in this message). Otherwise just turn it off from Options->Preferences->General. Uncheck "Use X-Mailer header in messages (for administrative purposes)". -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.80.06 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
> Can I use a filter to change the x-mail header > when I send an email to these two people who use > these ISP's? > I know under Options / Preferences / General, you can uncheck "Use > X-Mailer Header in Messages" to remove it > altogether. Perhaps others > will know whether you can remove it on a per recipient basis. I am on a lot of mailing lists. I finally had to simply remove it altogether rather than chance further problems. There are several large servers that out and out refused to allow my mail through when it listed TB!. -- Elaine Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
On 7/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've recently had a couple of emails blocked from two different ISP's who claim The Bat is a known spammer. Of course I know this is bull, and I forwarded the info at Ritlabs on the subject to their IT Dept's to no avail. Can I use a filter to change the x-mail header when I send an email to these two people who use these ISP's? I know under Options / Preferences / General, you can uncheck "Use X-Mailer Header in Messages" to remove it altogether. Perhaps others will know whether you can remove it on a per recipient basis. -- Dave Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ISP's Blocking TheBat
I've recently had a couple of emails blocked from two different ISP's who claim The Bat is a known spammer. Of course I know this is bull, and I forwarded the info at Ritlabs on the subject to their IT Dept's to no avail. Can I use a filter to change the x-mail header when I send an email to these two people who use these ISP's? I know this won't stop future problems at unknown servers, but I email these two people frequently and it is a real pain to login to Yahoo Webmail to send my regular correspondence to them. Thanks to all - I've been a member and avid reader of this list for years but have never posted because I just rarely have a problem with this great application...Mike Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
