Re: Tbot? (was: Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!)

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:36:36 -0400, Marc Weinmann wrote:

ACM>> No need to apologize, but lets make this the last post on AVP, OK? Use
ACM>> TBOT for any further discussions on this.

MW> What is TBOT? Another mailing list? Got a link?

It stands for The Bat! off Topic list. It was started by a member of
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Tbot? (was: Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!)

[Marc Weinmann]

A,

Sunday, September 03, 2000, 10:15:15 AM, you wrote:

ACM> No need to apologize, but lets make this the last post on AVP, OK? Use
ACM> TBOT for any further discussions on this.

What is TBOT? Another mailing list? Got a link?

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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:03:27 +0200, Vladimir Mincev wrote:

VM> Good to know how it was done! I hate monopolizing of big companies
VM> such as MicroSoft, Symantec... For example I *hate* that AtGuard was
VM> bought by Symantec. AtGuard was freeware, and now you must buy it as
VM> Norton Internet Security 2000 (NAV is implemented in it!). One more
VM> thing, it's size was 1.5 Mb, and now it is 43 Mb (NAV is 27 Mb +
VM> AtGurd is 1.5 Mb =lets say even 30 Mb, question: What happened with
VM> 13 Mb? Gone on make-up?). That is all for now... This is not one of
VM> the topics of this mailing list so I apologize to list moderators!

No need to apologize, but lets make this the last post on AVP, OK? Use
TBOT for any further discussions on this.

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Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello tracer,

Sunday, September 03, 2000, 3:23:04 AM, you wrote:

t> Hello Vladimir Mincev,
t> On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:33:23 +0200 GMT your local time,
t> which was Sunday, September 03, 2000, 5:33:23 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
t> Vladimir Mincev wrote:

>> Well NAV is known as very stupid anti-virus program which has very
>> low possibilities for finding new (cloned) viruses. It's heruistic
>> methods are bad. Same performace is with McAfee. Again I suggest
>> AVP!

t> same performance isnt surprising since Mcafee nicked part of the
t> Symantec code before they bought  Dr Solomons and the Av part
t> wasnt the only sw Symantec found pieces of their code.

Good to know how it was done! I hate monopolizing of big companies
such as MicroSoft, Symantec... For example I *hate* that AtGuard was
bought by Symantec. AtGuard was freeware, and now you must buy it as
Norton Internet Security 2000 (NAV is implemented in it!). One more
thing, it's size was 1.5 Mb, and now it is 43 Mb (NAV is 27 Mb +
AtGurd is 1.5 Mb =lets say even 30 Mb, question: What happened with 13
Mb? Gone on make-up?). That is all for now... This is not one of the
topics of this mailing list so I apologize to list moderators!

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Re[4]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello diggity,

Sunday, September 03, 2000, 8:18:31 AM, you wrote:

dfc> Hello Vladimir,

dfc> Saturday, September 02, 2000, 3:33:23 PM, you wrote:

VM>> Hello Warren,

VM>> Saturday, September 02, 2000, 10:23:05 PM, you wrote:


VM>> Well NAV is known as very stupid anti-virus program which has very low
VM>> possibilities for finding new (cloned) viruses. It's heruistic methods
VM>> are bad. Same performace is with McAfee. Again I suggest AVP!


dfc> Is AVP's website http://www.avp.ch/ ? or is it something else.


FTP Servers
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ftp://ftp.ontinet.com
ftp://ftp.polbox.com.pl/library/!avp/
ftp://volftp.tin.it/pub2/avp
ftp://ftp.avp.tm
ftp://ftp.antivirus.com.au

WWW-Sites
=
http://www.avp.ru
http://www.avp.com
http://www.avp.ch/ (Switzerland)
http://www.usa.avp.ch/ (U.S. backup site)
http://www.avp.it
http://www.scandsecure.se
http://www.ontinet.com/
http://www.polbox.com.pl/vacimex/
http://www.et.put.poznan.pl/~michal
http://www.avpro.de
http://www.fuhs.de
http://www.avp-france.com
http://www.datarescue.com
http://www.avp.tm
http://www.antivirus.com.au

I think this list is enough for everybody.

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Re[3]: NAV2000 and TB!

[diggity]

Hello Vladimir,

Saturday, September 02, 2000, 3:33:23 PM, you wrote:

VM> Hello Warren,

VM> Saturday, September 02, 2000, 10:23:05 PM, you wrote:


VM> Well NAV is known as very stupid anti-virus program which has very low
VM> possibilities for finding new (cloned) viruses. It's heruistic methods
VM> are bad. Same performace is with McAfee. Again I suggest AVP!


Is AVP's website http://www.avp.ch/ ? or is it something else.


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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

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Hello Vladimir Mincev,
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:33:23 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, September 03, 2000, 5:33:23 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Vladimir Mincev wrote:


> Hello Warren,

> Saturday, September 02, 2000, 10:23:05 PM, you wrote:


W>> Does it, really?  I tested it by sending myself copies of the "love
W>> letter" and "very funny" viruses from another machine as binary
W>> attachments. NAV2K did, indeed, scan the incoming emails, but it did
W>> not alert me to their contents until I attempted to save the
W>> attachments. Only when I sent them as text attachments or in the body
W>> of the email did NAV2K detect them and, no matter which option I chose
W>> (repair attachment, delete, quarantine), The Bat's "retrieving mail
W>> from server" pop-up box would stay open and The Bat would hang.  I
W>> could close the box, but The Bat would still hang.  I'd have to close
W>> the program, turn off email scanning, and restart.

> Well NAV is known as very stupid anti-virus program which has very low
> possibilities for finding new (cloned) viruses. It's heruistic methods
> are bad. Same performace is with McAfee. Again I suggest AVP!

same performance isnt surprising since Mcafee nicked part of the
Symantec code before they bought  Dr Solomons and the Av part
wasnt the only sw Symantec found pieces of their code.




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Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello Warren,

Saturday, September 02, 2000, 10:23:05 PM, you wrote:


W> Does it, really?  I tested it by sending myself copies of the "love
W> letter" and "very funny" viruses from another machine as binary
W> attachments. NAV2K did, indeed, scan the incoming emails, but it did
W> not alert me to their contents until I attempted to save the
W> attachments. Only when I sent them as text attachments or in the body
W> of the email did NAV2K detect them and, no matter which option I chose
W> (repair attachment, delete, quarantine), The Bat's "retrieving mail
W> from server" pop-up box would stay open and The Bat would hang.  I
W> could close the box, but The Bat would still hang.  I'd have to close
W> the program, turn off email scanning, and restart.

Well NAV is known as very stupid anti-virus program which has very low
possibilities for finding new (cloned) viruses. It's heruistic methods
are bad. Same performace is with McAfee. Again I suggest AVP!


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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

[Warren]

diggity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

d> I have NAV2000 and have set it up according to the help files and I
d> can tell you it does scan incoming emails.

Yes, it does scan incoming emails.


d>   So I guess it works :-)

Does it, really?  I tested it by sending myself copies of the "love
letter" and "very funny" viruses from another machine as binary
attachments. NAV2K did, indeed, scan the incoming emails, but it did
not alert me to their contents until I attempted to save the
attachments. Only when I sent them as text attachments or in the body
of the email did NAV2K detect them and, no matter which option I chose
(repair attachment, delete, quarantine), The Bat's "retrieving mail
from server" pop-up box would stay open and The Bat would hang.  I
could close the box, but The Bat would still hang.  I'd have to close
the program, turn off email scanning, and restart.

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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

[tracer]

Hello Vladimir Mincev,
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:09:12 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 8:09:12 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Vladimir Mincev wrote:


> Hello diggity,




d>> I have NAV2000 and have set it up according to the help files and I
d>> can tell you it does scan incoming emails.  So I guess it works :-)

> BTW just to tell you that NAV 2000 has a hole, it always has an open
> port to your computer and many trojans use this hole to get in your
> comp. So you can get a bug fix from (I think it was): www.winfiles.com
> or try it on www.symantec.com ... Any way be careful, many hackers use
> anti-virus program holes!

considering that one guy hacked about 50 sites in connection with
napster using another unknown hole
Correct though, there  was a security warning for Norton AV and also
for MCafee.
But then instead of upgrading my advice to my customers has always
been not to use those products...
To say many Trojans go through this hole... most have their own.

www.lavasoft.de

have a look for the free script cleaner as well, more capable I think
then the one on Steves site... and free.



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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

[tracer]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:35:46 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 12:35:46 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> Hi Vladimir,

> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:09:12 +0200GMT (29/08/2000, 09:09 +0800GMT),
> Vladimir Mincev wrote:

VM>> BTW just to tell you that NAV 2000 has a hole, it always has an open
VM>> port to your computer and many trojans use this hole to get in your
VM>> comp. So you can get a bug fix from (I think it was): www.winfiles.com
VM>> or try it on www.symantec.com ... Any way be careful, many hackers use
VM>> anti-virus program holes!

> I never heard this before. How can a hacker use anti-virus program
> holes?

> Any examples of compromised AV software?

Norton, Mcafee
They both had if I remember bugtrack warnings posted.
But then as in my opinion these are the most userfriendly but worst
programs, any holes in them...
I havent seen any warning against others.


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Re[3]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Chuck Smith]

On  Tuesday, August 29, 2000  at  16:42:04 GMT +0200 
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TF>> I never heard this before. How can a hacker use anti-virus program
TF>> holes?

> You see NAV2000 open's a port from which he sends informations that
> should be look over at their site. But problem is that he does not
> close that port after he checks all your mail... And what is worst of
> all, if you allow NAV to pass your firewall (if you have one) it will
> make a hole in your firewall too... That can be very bad! So please
> use the patch for NAV2000...

I agree ... I am a loyal NAV user and have to say that 2k is the best.
This program is in a constant state of developement via the LiveUpdate
feature. LiveUpdate not only provides virus updates but also program
fixes. When NAV 2k first was release thaere was a problem with it
leaving the POP port open but was fixed rather quickly. I suggest you
go to www.grc.com and run a Shields up test and read about the NAV bug
fix in this area.

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Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 7:35:46 AM, you wrote:

TF> I never heard this before. How can a hacker use anti-virus program
TF> holes?

You see NAV2000 open's a port from which he sends informations that
should be look over at their site. But problem is that he does not
close that port after he checks all your mail... And what is worst of
all, if you allow NAV to pass your firewall (if you have one) it will
make a hole in your firewall too... That can be very bad! So please
use the patch for NAV2000...

TF> Any examples of compromised AV software?

NAV is most compromised AV program... I suggest AVP (it has same
possibilities), and it is quite secure...


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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Vladimir,

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:09:12 +0200GMT (29/08/2000, 09:09 +0800GMT),
Vladimir Mincev wrote:

VM> BTW just to tell you that NAV 2000 has a hole, it always has an open
VM> port to your computer and many trojans use this hole to get in your
VM> comp. So you can get a bug fix from (I think it was): www.winfiles.com
VM> or try it on www.symantec.com ... Any way be careful, many hackers use
VM> anti-virus program holes!

I never heard this before. How can a hacker use anti-virus program
holes?

Any examples of compromised AV software?

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Re[3]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello diggity,

Saturday, August 26, 2000, 1:07:16 AM, you wrote:

d> Hello Chuck,

d> Friday, August 25, 2000, 2:45:03 PM, you wrote:


CS>> This is from NAV2000 Email configuration help for manually configured
CS>> clients:

CS>> Setting NameCurrent SettingsNew Settings
CS>> Incoming POP3 Servermail.ispname.com127.0.0.1

CS>> User name   userid  userid/mail.ispname.com

CS>> Outgoing SMTP Servermail.ispname.commail.ispname.com

CS>> Hope this helps


d> I have NAV2000 and have set it up according to the help files and I
d> can tell you it does scan incoming emails.  So I guess it works :-)

BTW just to tell you that NAV 2000 has a hole, it always has an open
port to your computer and many trojans use this hole to get in your
comp. So you can get a bug fix from (I think it was): www.winfiles.com
or try it on www.symantec.com ... Any way be careful, many hackers use
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Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!

[diggity]

Hello Chuck,

Friday, August 25, 2000, 2:45:03 PM, you wrote:


CS> This is from NAV2000 Email configuration help for manually configured
CS> clients:

CS> Setting NameCurrent SettingsNew Settings
CS> Incoming POP3 Servermail.ispname.com127.0.0.1

CS> User name   userid  userid/mail.ispname.com

CS> Outgoing SMTP Servermail.ispname.commail.ispname.com

CS> Hope this helps


I have NAV2000 and have set it up according to the help files and I
can tell you it does scan incoming emails.  So I guess it works :-)



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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

[Chuck Smith]

On  Friday, August 25, 2000  at  23:09:56 GMT +0200 
(which was 5:09 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

Hello Dieter,

> Hello Listmembers,

> it  seems to be possible to configure NAV2000 virus scanner to work with
> TB! Anybody out there who knows how this could be done?
> I don't use NAV2000 so I can't check.

This is from NAV2000 Email configuration help for manually configured
clients:

Setting NameCurrent SettingsNew Settings
Incoming POP3 Servermail.ispname.com127.0.0.1

User name   userid  userid/mail.ispname.com

Outgoing SMTP Servermail.ispname.commail.ispname.com

Hope this helps
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NAV2000 and TB!

[Dieter Hummel]

Hello Listmembers,

it  seems to be possible to configure NAV2000 virus scanner to work with
TB! Anybody out there who knows how this could be done?
I don't use NAV2000 so I can't check.

Regards
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