Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello zParticle, Friday, February 13, 2004, 6:07:51 PM, you wrote: MicroEd could rule. But it needs soft wrapping. Isn't this what Auto-format does? -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Dear Dave, @15-Feb-2004, 08:20 -0600 (15-Feb 14:20 UK time) Dave Gorman [DG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to zParticle: MicroEd could rule. But it needs soft wrapping. DG Isn't this what Auto-format does? Yes. I keep telling people this, but nobody wants to get it and I get fed up trying. I use it on a toggled basis. Sometimes I want auto-reformat (typing, inserting, post-paste ... because the paste operation itself doesn't trigger it but the next space press does) and sometimes I want it out of the way (typing lists, hanging/indent paragraphs, formatted text). It's there as a toggle on Ctrl+Shift+F and I just toggle it on/off at will and MicroEd rules. It's not really the same as soft wrapping, but I see no difference in usage, just a difference in theory. Okay, one difference. With softwrap you could get round one of the limitations of autowrap. Separate paragraphs without a blank line as in lists, but that doesn't help the hanging indent format. Oh yes, paste would probably wrap properly at once without the extra keystroke, but I'd say that's a bug that could possibly be fixed. (One day.) (If I ever report it as such.) (In so many words.) (Shut up Marck.) (Okay.) -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello Marck, On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:31:44 +GMT (15-2-2004, 15:31 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MDP @15-Feb-2004, 08:20 -0600 (15-Feb 14:20 UK time) Dave Gorman [DG] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to zParticle: MicroEd could rule. But it needs soft wrapping. DG Isn't this what Auto-format does? ...snip MDP It's there as a toggle on Ctrl+Shift+F and I just toggle it on/off MDP at will and MicroEd rules. Is it just a matter of toggling while typing in a new message or in a reply? -- regards, Henk. __ The Bat! v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Dear Henk, @15-Feb-2004, 19:33 +0100 (15-Feb 18:33 UK time) Henk de Bruijn [HDB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: DG Isn't this what Auto-format does? HDB ...snip MDP It's there as a toggle on Ctrl+Shift+F and I just toggle it on/off MDP at will and MicroEd rules. HDB Is it just a matter of toggling while typing in a new message HDB or in a reply? Heck, yes. You can set the default (Editor options | Auto-format) and Ctrl+Shift+F it on and off from then on at will. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello Marck, On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:14:59 +GMT (15-2-2004, 21:14 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MDP @15-Feb-2004, 19:33 +0100 (15-Feb 18:33 UK time) Henk de Bruijn MDP [HDB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ...snip HDB Is it just a matter of toggling while typing in a new message HDB or in a reply? MDP Heck, yes. You can set the default (Editor options | Auto-format) MDP and Ctrl+Shift+F it on and off from then on at will. I knew the auto-format option but had put that off because of various reasons. But toggling works great, thanks! -- regards, Henk. __ The Bat! v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Henk de Bruijn wrote: I knew the auto-format option but had put that off because of various reasons. But toggling works great, thanks! It took me awhile to discover auto-format. Maybe this should be something included in the install notes - or more easily found in the manual? Not sure if this is what March and other do, but I keep auto-format on and toggle it off when needed (usually for creating lists). But you can leave it off and toggle it ON as needed, too. Note that toggling is temporary - turning auto-format on or off from the what you have as default is for that message only. TB returns to your normal setting after you send that message (I love this). -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:08:39 -0600GMT (16-2-2004, 7:08 +0100, where I live), Ken Green wrote: KG Note that toggling is temporary - turning auto-format on or off from KG the what you have as default is for that message only. TB returns to KG your normal setting after you send that message (I love this). I was wondering about this, now I know. Thnx. -- Henk. __ The Bat! v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello Wayne, On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 12:59:35 AM, you wrote re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd: WH This is a great idea. I hate this especially when I cut and past WH something (or add text) and have to reformat where the text is WH wrapping. I think TheBat! would win a lot more converts with a feature WH as you describe. I almost gave up when I first started using TB WH because of this. I stayed because of the great reply features. Adding WH this feature would encourage me to switch my business email over to TB WH (instead of just using it for email lists). WH zParticle, have you submitted this as a new feature request. If not, WH please do!! After playing with the settings, I did not even realize that there is another non-html editor available. Clearly, there is much more for me to learn about The Bat!! Does the Windows plain text editor do any of what you are asking for with the Microed editor? (I just started using it so I have no idea). -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.04 RC/3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello Wayne, On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 10:52:44 AM, you wrote re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd: WH After playing with the settings, I did not even realize that there is WH another non-html editor available. Clearly, there is much more for me WH to learn about The Bat!! Does the Windows plain text editor do any of WH what you are asking for with the Microed editor? (I just started using WH it so I have no idea). Ah, I see. It doesn't have the in-line spell check or other nice features. Sorry - I should try before I write. :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.04 RC/3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Wayne Howard wrote: After playing with the settings, I did not even realize that there is another non-html editor available. Clearly, there is much more for me to learn about The Bat!! Does the Windows plain text editor do any of what you are asking for with the Microed editor? (I just started using it so I have no idea). Ah, I see. It doesn't have the in-line spell check or other nice features. Sorry - I should try before I write. :) Some other issues with the Windows plain text editor: - It doesn't hard-wrap the text AT ALL when sending. Your paragraphs are going out as one long line. It depends on the reader's email client to do the wrapping for you (like the HTML editor), which fails utterly for some clients, and makes for very long lines on others. - Within the editor your text only gets wrapped at the requested nth column if you're using fixed-width fonts. Otherwise lines can be much longer or shorter depending on the size of the font and the spacing of the characters. - Long lines (such as those created by the Windows plain text editor) are quoted only at the beginning of each paragraph. Smart quote reformatting doesn't work at all. - It appears to constantly refresh the entire window, so there's a distracting flicker while you're editing text. The plain text editor is really just an HTML editor sans formatting, and isn't a good solution for people who prefer to work with plain text. -- zParticle Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello zParticle, On Friday, February 13, 2004, at 7:07:51 PM, you wrote re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd: z MicroEd could rule. But it needs soft wrapping. z Note that I said the EDITOR needs soft wrapping. The messages should z always go out hard wrapped: this is the Internet standard for plain z text, and serves to keep things consistent and readable regardless which z mail client you're using. z The problem with the current approach for many of us used to other email z programs--or pretty much any text editor--has nothing to do with the z floating caret or WYSIWYG text. (For some reason those keep being z brought up, but they aren't the problem.) z The editor simply needs to give us the OPTION of using soft carriage z returns during composition: this alone would avoid all the manual z reformatting or mode-switching. It's an annoyance, and not at all z intuitive for newbies. z I understand that Some people may like having to manually rewrap each z paragraph or have simply gotten used to it this way, so make it an z optional setting and everyone wins. z WYSIWG? Many other email editors have already solved this one: the soft z returns simply get converted to hard returns the moment you hit send. z There is no way in which this is not WYSIWYG--it hard wraps each line at z the same place it was soft wrapped in the editor. z The Bat! could then take it one step further by using its smart quote z wrapping to soft wrap quoted material during editing, exactly as it does z when you do a manual left justify. z One fundamental change, and MicroEd could move from quirky to king. z Not holding my breath... This is a great idea. I hate this especially when I cut and past something (or add text) and have to reformat where the text is wrapping. I think TheBat! would win a lot more converts with a feature as you describe. I almost gave up when I first started using TB because of this. I stayed because of the great reply features. Adding this feature would encourage me to switch my business email over to TB (instead of just using it for email lists). zParticle, have you submitted this as a new feature request. If not, please do!! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.04 RC/3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
