Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
On Thursday, April 21, 2005, 8:12:37 PM, Chris wrote: However, Ritlabs has a semi-strict policy of not modifying messages after they have been received. which is STUPID. It should be possible to modify subject lines, correct threads and make notes in messages, or fix broken shortcuts, or anything else one wants to do with the contents of a message. Yes, I know there are cumbersome ways to work around some of these problems, but the fact that some people think it would be wrong for them to make changes in their mail boxes should not prevent the addition of functionality which makes the program more useful, and working with email more efficient for other users! -- Dwight A. Corrin Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello Chris, The Bat! needs some built-in functionality to add messages to a given thread or remove them from one for those instances when the incoming message is missing the appropriate headers. It also needs some way to break a message out of a thread for those instances when someone simply replies and changes the subject when starting a new topic. See my reply to your mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello Chris, Please add your support to this feature request so that we can fix broken treads easily. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1440 Manual re-threading was introduced in beta 3.0.9.6 (we are currently testing 3.0.9.17) and it works. Although, as I have written in the beta list, I personally don't like or agree with the way they have implemented it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello Chris, I would prefer you reply to me on the list and not by PM. Manual re-threading was introduced in beta 3.0.9.6 (we are currently testing 3.0.9.17) and it works. Although, as I have written in the beta list, I personally don't like or agree with the way they have implemented it. How has it been implemented? What don't you like? Perhaps it can be changed before it is released if a better solution is provided. I explained all of this in a long message in the TBBeta list on 22-March-2005. If you are interested, you can look in the TBBeta archives for Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject Some thoughts about Threading, manual re-threading, etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.17 Return Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Miguel A. Urech @ 2005-Apr-21 8:39:32 PM Difference between threaded by subject and reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How has it been implemented? What don't you like? Perhaps it can be changed before it is released if a better solution is provided. I explained all of this in a long message in the TBBeta list on 22-March-2005. If you are interested, you can look in the TBBeta archives for Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject Some thoughts about Threading, manual re-threading, etc. This can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg59050.html This thread is veering into beta territory, but I hope it still remains pertinent. From what I have read, your concerns are very real one; ones that I am sure other users would have. I fully agree that there should be some way to thread only by references. You complaints about re-threading not being preserved is also valid. However, Ritlabs has a semi-strict policy of not modifying messages after they have been received. Perhaps a secondary delta message base is needed that can store changes, like manual re-threading or modifications to other headers like the date or the subject. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Accessing a POP3 mailbox. To define recursion, we must first define recursion. pgpXBKV5gXFrH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello The, Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 1:00:30 PM, you wrote: TFC Some ppl on that list talk about sorting emails by TFC reference and I'm trying to know the difference between sorting TFC by subject and sorting by references TFC Can someone enlight me please? TFC I have tried and I don't see the difference If you select F9 while viewing a message it will open the Message source. In this source you will find a header called References:. If you thread by References it will use the contents of this section to thread your messages. If you thread by subject it just uses the contents of whatever is in your subject line. In a lot of cases this looks the same, but if two people at separate times use the same subject they will thread on each other even though they are not really related. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.17 Return on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello The Final Cut everyone else, on 20-Apr-2005 at 20:00 you (The Final Cut) wrote: Some ppl on that list talk about sorting emails by reference and I'm trying to know the difference between sorting by subject and sorting by references Can someone enlight me please? I have tried and I don't see the difference Threading by reference is more precise than threading by subject, because not only the subject, but the actual message that is replied to is used to show the message in the thread. You'll notice the difference in threads that are running longer. You can precisely see which message is the parent of what reply, etc. But... threading by reference is very likely to NOT work anywhere outside of the TB lists because people use crappy webmailers that strip the references and/or in-reply-to header (aol, yahoo, hotmail, 1und1, etc. etc. all break the threading) And... threading by subject is likely to not work very well either, on other mailing lists it is a common habit to change the subject any time whenever people feel like it... even the most simple threading mechanisms stumble over those messages and can't sort them to a usable position in an existing conversation. The wish to have all messages in a threaded view so you can come back later and follow the flow of a conversation is nothing more than a wish... a wish that can drive you insane. :-) Its a shame. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) If you should say, 'It is enough, I have reached perfection,' all is lost. For it is the function of perfection to make one know one's imperfection. -- St. Augustine Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Alexander S. Kunz @ 2005-Apr-20 3:02:33 PM Difference between threaded by subject and reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The wish to have all messages in a threaded view so you can come back later and follow the flow of a conversation is nothing more than a wish... a wish that can drive you insane. :-) Its a shame. Please add your support to this feature request so that we can fix broken treads easily. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1440 -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Alone together pgpvNuHHXIzr3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello Chris On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 5:28:06 PM +0400 GMT You wrote: C Alexander S. Kunz @ 2005-Apr-20 3:02:33 PM C Difference between threaded by subject and C reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The wish to have all messages in a threaded view so you can come back later and follow the flow of a conversation is nothing more than a wish... a wish that can drive you insane. :-) Its a shame. C Please add your support to this feature request so that we can fix C broken treads easily. C https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1440 I am not sure to understand this wish Can you elaborate? I might be interested to add my 2 cents too! -- The Final Cut TheBat 3.0.2.10 http://finalcut.ca/finalcut.asc pgppNSjibLkxh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
Hello Chris everyone else, on 20-Apr-2005 at 23:28 you (Chris) wrote: Please add your support to this feature request so that we can fix broken treads easily. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1440 I already did, on August 19th. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Ambient Head (9:48) by Datacide from the album 'Datacide II' Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between threaded by subject and reference
The Final Cut @ 2005-Apr-20 5:38:01 PM Difference between threaded by subject and reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1440 I am not sure to understand this wish Can you elaborate? I might be interested to add my 2 cents too! The Bat! needs some built-in functionality to add messages to a given thread or remove them from one for those instances when the incoming message is missing the appropriate headers. It also needs some way to break a message out of a thread for those instances when someone simply replies and changes the subject when starting a new topic. Hope this helps. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Accessing a POP3 mailbox. This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons. pgpFulDdslOEE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between 'common folders' and normal ones
Hello Dave! On Friday, October 18, 2002 at 4:12:19 PM you wrote: So, the question is where these come from? What does serve the role of the account, for common folders, for such things as template defaults? From the account set to be default for mailto links (the main account). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. (Samuel Butler) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between 'common folders' and normal ones
Hello Dave, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:12:19 -0700 GMT (18/10/02, 21:12 +0700 GMT), Dave Crocker wrote: Common folders do, in fact, take their default templates from somewhere. They do not require that each common folder specify the details of their templates. So, the question is where these come from? The TB default tempaltes are being used. What does serve the role of the account, for common folders, for such things as template defaults? You cannot change them. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I am not hungry enough to eat six. (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:13:07 PM, Jacek wrote: What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the wishlist? Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should do it every time you close TB!, Yep. I know that. The only problem is I hardly ever close TB! :) Me too, and I'm not against your wish to be able to schedule events in TB. But then, don't you think pulling down the Folder menu and execute "Purge (and Compress) all folders" every 7 days isn't too much a hardship? :-) If you take backup into consideration, then maybe you should quite TB once a while. Backing up mail folders while TB is running may be hazardous, unless you don't use the check mail every nn minutes option (or unless you don't do backup at all). I take the risk for my everyday backup since a backup session takes less than 5 minutes and my mail checking schedule is 30 min. In case TB does receive mail during a backup seesion my backup software would notify me about the corrupted data files and I can redo it. For the more comprehensive weekly backup, however, I do quit TB (and every other programs) to make sure the backup go smoothly. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hallo Jacek, On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:33:20 +0100 GMT (25/02/2001, 05:33 +0800 GMT), Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski wrote: JkW Well what a lame server...heh, I will have to go back to my account SMTP JkW server (pooh.wsb.poznan.pl). The only asset of using x.pl is that JkW it has no relaying restrictions... Now thanks for this tip! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hi Jacek, On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:55:44 +0100GMT (29/12/2000, 21:55 +0800GMT), Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski wrote: Just for the sake of completeness: and "Purge all folders" is actually "Purge/compress all folders". JkW Is it? Yes. JkW I have 2 different options: JkW 1. Folder/Compress All folders JkW 2. Folder/Purge All folders 1. Is correct. This one just compresses. 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All Folders. Because that's what it does. JkW What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge JkW All folders. Is it possible? No. :-( JkW If not - is it on the wishlist? Yes. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jacek! On Friday, December 29, 2000 at 2:55:44 PM you wrote: What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the wishlist? Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should do it every time you close TB!, I think. Downside, you have to do check it for every folder individually, a drag if you have lots of them. Best to check when creating a folder. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Panta Rei. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpYrlPTo1oA8g8dLEQIepACdE5buqnqnqggO1IHCBtADQPBnamMAoKpU LNUgoT8HXQ3PlVVFvC0Us8UB =JTRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello, T 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All T Folders. Because that's what it does. Holy... wow! It just reduced my TB! installation folder from 720 MB to 180 MB!! :-)) And it was really fast! Ok, now I know what to do more often... Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
On February 23, 2001, at 2:15:52 AM, Thomas Wrote: T 1. Is correct. This one just compresses. T 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All T Folders. Because that's what it does. Another example of the misleading and confusing syntax used by RITLabs, not unlike the "Hide items if not explicitly selected" used in the Address Book. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello SyP, you wrote: [...] By the way, has your message gotten stuck in Hamster for two months?! Whoah. Well, I have no idea what happened... I am sure it was not in mail.out folder... maybe it was travelling for a long time? ;-) Strange, very strange thing happen to me :) regards, -- /\_/\ *kocurek* . (~o o~) Jacek Wojaczyñski : St³ucz se pan termometr, to )'Y'( ICQ UIN: #32693721| nie bêdziesz mia³ gor±czki. ( )| (L. Wa³êsa) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello Dierk, you wrote: What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the wishlist? Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should do it every time you close TB!, Yep. I know that. The only problem is I hardly ever close TB! :) regards, -- /\_/\ *kocurek* . (~o o~) Jacek Wojaczyñski : "Zaj±c l u b i buraczki" - )'Y'( ICQ UIN: #32693721| takie jest zdanie kucharza... ( )| (Stanis³aw Lec) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jacek, On 23 February 2001 at 22:15:34 +0100 (which was 21:15 where I live) Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski wrote and made these points: By the way, has your message gotten stuck in Hamster for two months?! Whoah. JkW Well, I have no idea what happened... I have ;-). JkW I am sure it was not in mail.out folder... maybe it was JkW travelling for a long time? ;-) Strange, very strange thing JkW happen to me :) - From the headers (reversed): Received: from default (pa224.bydgoszcz.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.48.224]) by biology.pl (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13014 ^^ got it from you V for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:11:37 +0100 Received: from biology.pl by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0i.R) ^^ finally decided to send it on VVV for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:04:52 +0700 So biology.pl (wherever that computer may be) is the culprit for the late delivery :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpbuCznkJKuSnc2gEQIZnQCgm2f2kG9aPdPtDUhOxLKUx75saV0AoKZF 9273aZCZEH0eElEZXxlXYQsV =k/fK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello syv, Wednesday, December 27, 2000, 4:50:24 AM, you wrote: s What's the difference between compress and s purge/compress. s What gets purged? Compress recovers space from messages you've already deleted; purge deletes messages according to setting sin folder and account properties. Purge/compress does both. -- Best regards, Nickmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hallo syv, On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 20:50:24 -0800 GMT (27/12/2000, 12:50 +0800 GMT), syv wrote: s What's the difference between compress and s purge/compress. s What gets purged? Messages that qualify for deleting according to your settings under Folder / Properties / Maximum Number of Messages, or Keep messages in base for xx days. -- Cheers, Thomas. If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between 1.42C and 1.42F?
Hello Pasquale and Bat Buddies... I notice most people are now using The Bat 1.42F, I have version C what are the differences? As posted by Stefan Tanurkov about a week and a half ago: [-] Bug with some UUE attachments [-] Possible security issues caused by X-BAT-FILES header [-] Problems with attachments when the account's home or attachment directory is located on a network drive. [-] Wrong caret positioning in the message editor [-] It was not possible to print the first (by physical position) message in the folder -- Unequivocally, Jason Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v1.42f Win98 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Moderator Note - was Re: Difference between beta/3 and beta/5
Hello Andre, On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 at 12:02:00 [GMT +0100 (MET)], you wrote: AH What is new on TB 1.41 beta/5? Please move this thread to TBBETA. We try to keep TBUDL (which concerns only official releases) from TBBETA (for beta versions). We do this so as not to confuse anyone when discussing a new feature that a beta version has implemented. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Percussive maintenance - The fine art of slapping the crap out of an electronic device to get it in working order again. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
