Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Gary,

@27 June 2002, 21:40:04 -0500 (03:40 UK time) Gary Lucas in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from
 displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine.

The pages work perfectly on IE 5.5 and later, Mozilla and many others.
NetScape is buggy and there's nothing I can do about that and I'm
trying to code around some of Opera's shortcomings. With those
provisos the FAQ works well and includes a link at the front page to a
flat version which will work on any browser.

 There seem to be paragraph and block formatting functions, but can't
 figure out how to do simple formatting like bolding/highlighting
 text.

Probably Outlook Express g. TB is a plain text email client. You
can't set character attributes in plain text. You have to use ASCII
emphasising like *bold*, /italic/, _underline_ and SHOUTING. This is
actually the only way to ensure that the person receiving your message
can understand the stresses where they appear. Let's face it, email is
about who we are sending it to, not about what we see. The best of all
worlds is where we can guarantee that what we see is what we send is
what the recipient sees. The Bat! is one of the best in the world at
that job.

 Is a local font change possible? Am I missing something?

That's a matter of changing the editor preferences. It won't affect
what you send. Also, again because of the plain text limitation and
because of the column formatting capabilities of the editor, you are
restricted to using fixed width fonts in the editor. You may be able
to get hold of some alternatives. One favourite is Andale Mono,
available from the MS downloads site.

 ... It would be much nicer to have it open a new-mail list

It is one. Just enable the Message list of the Browse ticker
messages folder view window that opens when you double click on the
ticker.

 Also, the silly banner won't go away unless I read all the messages.
 Isn't there some way to dismiss it? It seems like the only choices
 here are to have NO ALERTING or to have NUISSANCE ALERTING. Is there
 some work around?

No, but I keep mine minimal by shrinking it to the smallest possible
width and sliding it off the edge of the screen so that only a half
inch of it is visible.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes you used Sylpheed version 0.7.5claws (GTK+ 1.2.9; i586-pc-linux-gnu)
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 11:04:21 PM.

JA You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a
JA certain amount of time.

Where is this set? I know I can set it to go away after all messages
are a certain age, to get it to go away after X amount of time? Could
be useful.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Gary Lucas

Hi Marck,   Thursday, June 27, 2002 09:04

  Thanks for the helpful reply.

  However, I think there may still be a problem with the FAQ page.  I am using
  IE 6.0.2600.IC under Win 98/SE 4.10.A and I have all the latest
  Win 98 and IE update patches from Microsoft.  Still, the FAQ reports
  Done, but with errors on page after loading and all that gets displayed is
  one line at the top and a white background.  No links or anything.

--Gary

==Original message text===
From: Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gary Lucas on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:22:59 AM
Subject: New User Questions
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Hi Gary,

@27 June 2002, 21:40:04 -0500 (03:40 UK time) Gary Lucas in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from
 displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine.

The pages work perfectly on IE 5.5 and later, Mozilla and many others.
NetScape is buggy and there's nothing I can do about that and I'm
trying to code around some of Opera's shortcomings. With those
provisos the FAQ works well and includes a link at the front page to a
flat version which will work on any browser.



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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Gary,

@27 June 2002, 09:26:05 -0500 (15:26 UK time) Gary Lucas in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

 However, I think there may still be a problem with the FAQ page. I
 am using IE 6.0.2600.IC under Win 98/SE 4.10.A and I have
 all the latest Win 98 and IE update patches from Microsoft. Still,
 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of IE as
you do and the page has no errors. Really! Write to me privately if
you want to get involved with helping me debug this issue.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Tim Musson wrote...

JA You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a
JA certain amount of time.

 Where is this set? I know I can set it to go away after all messages
 are a certain age, to get it to go away after X amount of time? Could
 be useful.

Well... more like a certain age limit on the emails itself.  If you
right click the mail ticker next time it is up, go to Messages then
Age Limits.  Set a value.  After a certain period of time, the age
of the message is met, and it is removed from the ticker.  Which, in
theory, if it's the last message, should hide the ticker again.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Sudip,

@27 June 2002, 21:02:35 +0545 (16:17 UK time) Sudip Pokhrel in
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 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of
MDP IE as you do and the page has no errors.

 Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem.

I think yours is a different problem. Like I said earlier, turn off
Identify as IE and make it Identify as Opera before viewing.

 Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer
 to i.e. where is it?

In the middle of the page you say is blank.

You can get directly to the flat version on
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Gary Lucas

Hi,   Thursday, June 27, 2002 20:13

OK. I installed both Beonex and Netscape 7.0 for a tryout.
Beonex has the look and feel of Netscape 7.0 but seems to be faster.

The FAQ page displays with Beonex and with Netscape 7.0, just fine.

The FAQ page does not display under either Netscape 4.7 or IE 6.0.
I get javascript errors and a blank page in both cases.

I think Beonex is going to be my new default browser.

--Gary

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To: Sudip Pokhrel on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002, 10:56:49 AM
Subject: New User Questions
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Hi Sudip,

@27 June 2002, 21:02:35 +0545 (16:17 UK time) Sudip Pokhrel in
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 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of
MDP IE as you do and the page has no errors.

 Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem.

I think yours is a different problem. Like I said earlier, turn off
Identify as IE and make it Identify as Opera before viewing.

 Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer
 to i.e. where is it?

In the middle of the page you say is blank.

You can get directly to the flat version on
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Gary,

@28 June 2002, 20:26:14 -0500 (02:26 UK time) Gary Lucas in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

 The FAQ page does not display under either Netscape 4.7

This is expected behaviour.

 or IE 6.0.

This is not!

 I get javascript errors and a blank page in both cases.

IE4.0 gives errors. IE6 should display perfectly. Could you possibly
do a View source and send me the results off-list?

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-26 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Gary,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:40:04 -0500, you wrote:

 Questions:
 
 The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from displaying in
 both Netscape and IE on my machine.  I wrote to report this at the support
 address but they just seem to ignore any questions.  Is there something I need
 to do to be able to view the FAQ?   It would be nice for new users.

I believe the FAQ is run by one of the moderators on this list, and not by
RitLabs themselves... Maybe Marck can answer that one ;)

 There seem to be paragraph and block formatting functions, but can't figure
 out how to do simple formatting like bolding/highlighting text. Is a local
 font change possible? Am I missing something?

Bold as in the person you're sending it to sees bold?  That is HTML formating,
and TB doesn't send in html (yet).  If you mean locally, there is an option
under Options - Editor Preferences I think where you can change your locally
viewed windows, but this has no affect on the recipient of the email.


 The message banner is adequate when there is one message, but when there are
 many it essentially worthless, except as an alert.  It would be much nicer to
 have it open a new-mail list where I could chose what I want to read and
 mark other messages as Read or Deferred.  I know this banner is sorta a
 trademark, but are there any plans to make it useful too?

Next time you double click to bring up a message, go to View - Message list (I
think that's the option).  It'll then display all the unread messages that are
being shown in the ticker.

 Also, the silly banner won't go away unless I read all the messages.  Isn't
 there some way to dismiss it?  It seems like the only choices here are to have
 NO ALERTING or to have NUISSANCE ALERTING.  Is there some work around?

You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a certain amount
of time.  With the timer up, I think you can right click on it, and there are a
set of properties you can modify.

Hope these help a little.

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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-02 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello ETM,

It was foretold that on Sunday, December 2, 2001 at 02:48 GMT -0500,
ETM [E] would type:

E First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?

I think OE can export to .eml files, right?  If so, then just rename
the .eml files to .msg (I have a VBScript to automate the renaming
process, let me know if you're interested.)  You can import .msg files
quite easily.

E I know where the approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I
E cannot get the Mail Import Wizard to accept the location. Is it
E because I am not yet working with a registered program or is it the
E OE version?

TB's trial is fully functional.  It must be the OE version.

You seem to deal with a lot of mail in archives.  For that task, many
people on another list swear by a program called Mailbag Assistant
http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html.  It works with many
mailers, including OE and TB.  The list where I first heard about it
is the Power Tools Software list on Yahoo groups.  You can check out
the webpage at http://www.tr1be.com/powertools/index.html
The owner occasionally runs contests for members.  You should ask him
about this month's contest and promotions.


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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello ETM,

1. december 2001, 21:32:25, you wrote:

 I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE.  Can that be imported into the BAT?
 Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the BAT?

I don't know about any size limitation, but I do find The Bat faster
with large amounts of messages than OE. I remember that OE became very
slow (up to 5 seconds to open) with around 500 messages in one folder,
while TB displays folder with 6000 messages (threaded) in 2 seconds on
my computer (AMD 800, 256 MB ram).

Note that on importing, you may loose some messages - when I went from
OE to TB, I had about 5000 messages there, and I found 4 messages
corrupted.

 I tend to use mail as a filing system, maintain many folders/filters (and
 successfully set them up this morning in the BAT and they are properly
 working).  OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders
 using simple search terms and different fields.  Is there a similar search
 capability for mail filed in the BAT?

TB has search capactibility for either one folder (with or w/o
subfolders), whole account or all accounts. You can choose where to
search, but you can't define separate strings to search for in
different fields (the string will be searched for in all selected
fields). You can use  and | as boolean search operators, or use
regular expressions for advanced searches. See Tools - Search for
more info.

 In regard to the BAT's treatment of attachments, I have always filtered
 attachments in OE as a protective mechanism because of its vulnerabilities
 to problems.  From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of
 attachments.  How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem
 attachments?  I noticed that ZA renamed/disarmed an attachment downloaded
 into BAT this AM, but wasn't positive that the mail program itself also
 hadn't done something to render the attachment harmless.

TB doesn't change the attachments. It won't execute them
automatically, and will warn you if the attachment is potentially
dangerous.

 I use Win98SE, will probably remain with IE5.50, although I might experiment
 with Opera, and maintain an AV program and use Zone-Alarm-Pro since I am on
 cable connection.

I replaced ZoneAlarm with Tiny Personal Firewall, because:
- ZoneAlarm took too many resources
- I didn't like it's yellow color :)

And I'm a long time Opera user (since 3.50). I just can't browse
without MDI anymore :)

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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello ETM,

On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 15:32 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking
ETM [E] wrote:

E I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the
E BAT?

There should be no problem doing that.  Check out Tools - Import
Wizard.

E Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the
E BAT?

Not that I know of.  Each folder in TB is a different message base.
If you notice a folder is too slow, you can just split the messages
into two (or more) folders and the speed should be improved.

Also, make sure you use the Purge all folders option regularly.
When you delete a message, it is only marked as deleted.  When you use
the Compress option, the deleted messages are actually removed.  The
Purge option applies the limits you might have defined in the
folder properties and then runs the compress option.

E OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders
E using simple search terms and different fields. Is there a similar
E search capability for mail filed in the BAT?

The general search tool can be accessed by pressing F7.  It can do
what you're asking.

TB also offers a quick search tool.  In the message list, just start
typing the word/name you're looking for and the first match will be
automatically selected.  To move to the next match, just hit
CTRL-Enter.  This tool is limited to only the current folder.

E From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of
E attachments.  How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem
E attachments?

TB can warn against or disable execution of predefined file-types.
Check out:
 Options - Preferences - Warnings

E I used four accounts, one with my cable system, three via yahoo pop3
E download, into OE.  I would like a similar set-up for the BAT.

TB has the nicest multiple account handling of any mail program I've
seen.  Each account is essentially completely separate from every
other account, though you can filter from one account to another
account's folders.


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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread ETM

First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?  I know where the
approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I cannot get the Mail Import
Wizard to accept the location.  Is it because I am not yet working with a
registered program or is it the OE version?

I'd like to see if this works before I register.

Elaine

- Original Message -
From: Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ETM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS


 Hello ETM,

 On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 15:32 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking
 ETM [E] wrote:

 E I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the
 E BAT?

 There should be no problem doing that.  Check out Tools - Import
 Wizard.

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Re: New User Questions

2000-01-12 Thread Andrew K. Lovetski

Hello, The Bat Users!

 
LW   One final question - again the answer is quite simple (I hope).
LW   I need to see my messages collapsed, in subject order, and
LW   within the subject all the replies in the time which they were
LW   sent in chronological order.

LW   At present the first two criteria are met, but  the messages are not
LW sorted in the required order, although I   believe I have selected the
LW correct options (Sort by Subject / descending order, also view threads
LW by subject).  By the way, anybody else notice that the selection
LW "Descending Order" needs selecting every time, and does not remain
LW "sticky"?

Options|View threads by|Subject (or references - I prefer the latter).
This will arrange messages in threads. Then you have to select only
one sorting you need (in your message you stated you need both - by
subject and by time - this is impossible in the current version, but
such a wish was suggested a long time ago). I use Sorting by Creation
Time, Descending. BTW, descending _is_ sticky here. Try changing the
order by clicking on the column header. One click - you get ascending
order, another click - you get descending order.

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Re: New User Questions

2000-01-10 Thread Douglas Hinds


Hello Lone-Wolf  all fellow TBUDL members,

Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:59:35 AM, Lone-Wolf wrote:
LW One final question - ... I need to see my messages collapsed, in
LW subject order, and within the subject all the replies in the time
LW which they were sent in chronological order.

Have you tried the "View threads by" options available through the
"View" menu? By selecting "Subject" you get them collapsed.

As for the manual you asked for: Its name is TBUDL, and it talks back
to you.

Best regards,
 Douglas
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Re: New User Questions

2000-01-10 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev

Hi there!

On 10 Jan 00, at 20:59, Lone-Wolf wrote
about "New User Questions":

   My question now is - is there a publication we can buy / obtain /
   download (similar to the "Agent" manual, for example), which is well
   written, and which will explain things in a clear way for computer
   challenged people such as myself?

I've suggested this to RITs way ago, and even suggested to make the quality 
PDF myself if they provide the materials (you see, i from time to time typeset 
books for some publishing companies here;-)), but seems that they didn't like 
this idea.

   I am sure that this would be of assistance to a great many people,
   as the Bat is chock full of features.

This is my own point also: quality PDF is usually way better then the help file; 
besides, it might be printed as a book...


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