Re: Wrapping of quoted text
On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 7:40:08 PM, Karin wrote: The example you gave us looks pretty much ok to me. 'cept that when I import it in TB, it shows the wrong created date: the date of importing instead of the date of its actual creation. That's granted. Your example didn't have the "Date" field, either. The created line is in its own line, with no header field identifier. TB can't recognize that. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/11 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
On 08-12-2000 at 15:18, Ming-Li kindly wrote: On Thursday, December 07, 2000, 7:38:30 PM, Karin wrote: It's only now that I importing old Eudora mail into TB (45.000 mails done, more than half to go) that I really see how flakey Eudora's sent message headers are. [snipped] The example you gave us looks pretty much ok to me. 'cept that when I import it in TB, it shows the wrong created date: the date of importing instead of the date of its actual creation. Want a really nasty one? Try this: === Eudora sent message header === From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 1994 19:19:25 -0800 Received: ; Tue Dec 13 19:19:25 1994 -0800 To: Dr.LIN X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From: "Ming-Li" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: from Ming-Li === end header === 1. no message ID, as you said. wry smile 2. no recipient email address (if the recipient got a nickname in my address book). I had it set to expand. That helped. 3. no date (created date in the leading "From" line which isn't part of the RFC headers). Uh-uh... 4. where did the "received" header come from? It's a message sent by me, why is there a received date? Eudora received the ,essage from you to pass on to others, didn't it? ;-) Thankfully those days are way behind me. :) nods - K - -- Hier gibt es keine harmlosen Worte alle viel zu gross - Einstürzende Neubauten: Die Interimsliebenden -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
On Thursday, December 07, 2000, 7:38:30 PM, Karin wrote: It's only now that I importing old Eudora mail into TB (45.000 mails done, more than half to go) that I really see how flakey Eudora's sent message headers are. Compare: === Eudora sent message header === [snipped] The example you gave us looks pretty much ok to me. Want a really nasty one? Try this: === Eudora sent message header === From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 1994 19:19:25 -0800 Received: ; Tue Dec 13 19:19:25 1994 -0800 To: Dr.LIN X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From: "Ming-Li" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: from Ming-Li === end header === See, 1. no message ID, as you said. 2. no recipient email address (if the recipient got a nickname in my address book). 3. no date (created date in the leading "From" line which isn't part of the RFC headers). 4. where did the "received" header come from? It's a message sent by me, why is there a received date? Thankfully those days are way behind me. :) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
Hello Brian, On Thursday, December 07, 2000 @ 17:20:44 -0500, you wrote the following about "Wrapping of quoted text" Brian I've noticed that when I reply to any mail, the quoted text Brian isn't wrapped at the same line length as my inserted text. Is Brian this a known problem or is there a way to auto-correct this? Brian Here's an example: Brian begin-- RC The first firewall choice is always hardware. I'm sure Keith C. RC and Brian C. could help me there, but is anyone relying on a RC software app that's bullet-proof ? Brian Stuff and more stuff. Lots of text here, going on and on and Brian on, and it's about to wrap. Ah, there it did. This is some text Brian and more text here. See what I mean? Brian The quoted text is extended beyond my wrap limit. Now, If I Brian were to highlight the quoted material and hit Alt+L, it is Brian corrected: Not really. Just use put your cursor in the graph you want to re-wrap use ALT-L or ALT-J to wrap or justify to your set # of characters. That's what I did. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
Hello Jan, (JR == "Jan Rifkinson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian I've noticed that when I reply to any mail, the quoted text Brian isn't wrapped at the same line length as my inserted text. Is Brian this a known problem or is there a way to auto-correct this? Brian Here's an example: snipped my example Brian The quoted text is extended beyond my wrap limit. Now, If I Brian were to highlight the quoted material and hit Alt+L, it is Brian corrected: JR Not really. Just use put your cursor in the graph you want to JR re-wrap use ALT-L or ALT-J to wrap or justify to your set # of JR characters. That's what I did. LOL :-) Deja-vu... Well, yes, I know you don't technically have to highlight the text to get it to wrap -- you can just hit Alt+L -- but my point was, how can I force it to do that *automatically* so I don't have to use Alt+L all of the time. It just _seems_ like it shouldn't be doing that. I'd say 80% of the time I have to re-wrap quoted material -- 99.999% of the cases being quoted text sent from mail clients other than TB!. Text that I insert into a reply wraps at 70. Quoted material, a lot of the time, wraps about 20 pixels further than my wrap limit. In this case, in this reply, it wrapped normally because you're also using TB!. -Brian -- The beatings will continue until morale improves. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I thought I'd comment on Brian Clark's contribution to the list, sent on Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:20:44 -0500: BC I've noticed that when I reply to any mail, the quoted text isn't BC wrapped at the same line length as my inserted text. Is this a known BC problem or is there a way to auto-correct this? [...] This is true. TB! will not interfere with the formatting of quoted material. The wrapping of the quoted material is left intact unless you explicitly reformat it. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'Oxymoron: Virtual Reality.' __ TB! v1.48 Beta/9 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOjAhblfJ62ArBxfiEQLh5QCgqVdYgGG10DuKnfma0vZfcbT/0lEAoIRp VTPX0AB1X1rAdP3V1Bj4I/ss =S5ty -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
Hi List, On Freitag, 8. Dezember 2000 at 00:46:53 A . Curtis Martin wrote: This is true. TB! will not interfere with the formatting of quoted material. The wrapping of the quoted material is left intact unless you explicitly reformat it. And IMHO that is exactly the way it should be. There might be a reson for using long lines, a table for example, that would get messed up by rewrapping. A nice feature, though, would be an extension to the Alt-L thingy reformating all paragraphs instead of just the current one. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 "I wish I could spare a few centuries to learn." "It took us centuries to learn that it doesn't have to take centuries to learn." - "There is one thing I don't understand. In 300 years you never learned to swim?" "I just haven't got around to it yet." (Cpt Picard and Anij in Insurrection) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
Hello Tobias, (TW == "Tobias Wrede") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is true. TB! will not interfere with the formatting of quoted material. The wrapping of the quoted material is left intact unless you explicitly reformat it. TW And IMHO that is exactly the way it should be. There might be a TW reson for using long lines, a table for example, that would get TW messed up by rewrapping. Ah, well I didn't consider that! Yes, that makes a lot of sense, and I tend to do that very thing a lot on other lists. I think I'm just going go with the "it's your crappy mail client" mentality if someone says anything about it. I've noticed MS LookOut likes to take my quoted text through the blender. I've also noticed the New Eudora 5.0 seems to mangle the *authors* message -- never mind the quoted reply. Eudora used to be a decent client, but now it seems to be an obese monster. TW A nice feature, though, would be an extension to the Alt-L thingy TW reformating all paragraphs instead of just the current one. Yes, I agree, that would be nice.. -Brian -- 668: The Neighbor of the Beast. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07 December, 2000, 8:47 PM, I saw Brian's comments made on Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:12:24 -0500, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth: BC I think I'm just going go with the "it's your crappy mail client" BC mentality if someone says anything about it. I've noticed MS LookOut BC likes to take my quoted text through the blender. It will take anyone's, even it's own, quoted text through the blender. :=) BC I've also noticed the New Eudora 5.0 seems to mangle the *authors* BC message -- never mind the quoted reply. Eudora used to be a decent BC client, but now it seems to be an obese monster. It was bad plain text handling that turned me off these main stream MUA's, including Calypso. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'My other computer is a HAL 9000.' __ TB! v1.48 Beta/9 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOjA+V1fJ62ArBxfiEQLBAQCfRT/T/JbRaEU5LbEEQqHpIwozl4EAoIQQ zPyPgOGxZdEvxt63kSLAu3j5 =aIZA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
Hello Curtis, (ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BC I've also noticed the New Eudora 5.0 seems to mangle the BC *authors* message -- never mind the quoted reply. Eudora used to BC be a decent client, but now it seems to be an obese monster. ACM It was bad plain text handling that turned me off these main ACM stream MUA's, including Calypso. Exactly! I just don't understand why people want to write Rich-Text and HTML formatted email. Your size 6, neon green and yellow .sig may look good to /you/, but not me, brother. I'm glad TB! is smart enough to let me view that junk if I *want to* and they can be sure they'll get a plain-text response. And of course, we're spiraling off-topic now.. ;-) -Brian -- Point not found. (A)bort (R)eread (I)gnore. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wrapping of quoted text
On 08-12-2000 at 02:50, A. Curtis Martin kindly wrote: On 07 December, 2000, 8:47 PM, Brian wrote: BC I've also noticed the New Eudora 5.0 seems to mangle the *authors* BC message -- never mind the quoted reply. Eudora used to be a decent BC client, but now it seems to be an obese monster. It was bad plain text handling that turned me off these main stream MUA's, including Calypso. It's only now that I importing old Eudora mail into TB (45.000 mails done, more than half to go) that I really see how flakey Eudora's sent message headers are. Compare: === Eudora sent message header === Fri Mar 31 03:07:30 2000 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Karin Spaink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: go.to URL aliases Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Eudora-Signature: short === TB sent message header === Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:05:41 +0100 From: Karin Spaink [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.47 Halloween Edition) Personal Reply-To: Karin Spaink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Marcab Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Deirdre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Homosueel In-reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit === end sent headers === The really nasty part is that older versions of Eudora didn't write a message-ID in the sent version, so that there is *no* way to corroborate what you sent (I've been in court cases concerning the net and know how important message-ID's can be), and the lack of a unique message-ID makes it rather impossible to thread, check for double messages in folders etc. Wish I'd had TB way back then - or had bcc'd myself copies of everything that I sent. - K - -- Who the hell wants to be a healthy, organic whole when you can be a brilliant, injured, human fragment? - Julie Burchill: Sex and Sensibility -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
