Re[2]: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hi, Leif Gregory wrote: Please trim replies to context. Oops, sorry, accidentally forgot to trim it this time... Antje Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML Mail selective image display?
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RO First of all, I didn't test this. ;-) Create an incoming filter RO for your Daily Dilbert Mail that extracts the attached file to RO disk and let the same filter start an external program, in this RO case your browser with a parameter that makes it open your RO attachment. Since 'extract attachment' is lower on the actions tab RO than 'run external program' there's a possibility that the browser RO will be called before the file exists. Therefore it might be RO necessary to do this in two filters (enable 'continue processing RO with other filters on the 'options tab' of the first filter) Roelof, I didn't test your idea either, but it seems like a brilliant approach. If it were packaged in a way to be easily triggered by the user, and also requiring some user confirmation to avoid automated problems, it would be a good feature addition to TB! -- JN Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hi Miguel, As I say, maybe I didn't understand a word of what this thread is all about. But if I did... My goodness! All is needed is a double click! I know, I know... but I'm a lazy person, you know ;-))) And I simply thought there might be a way for me to not have to open the browser every time. Since I use Mozilla on a slow computer, it takes a while to open and load the mail. And it's not only Daily Dilbert, that was just to give you an example. I receive lots of mails with HTML content that I would like to be able to view within TB! and it won't do that. I understand the purpose of that, as I already said, and it's actually a feature that gives you more security. But if it was a selective one in the way I explained I'd be even more happy about it. :-) Antje Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hi, Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Joseph, On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:40:59 -0500GMT (17-9-03, 17:40 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JN I didn't test your idea either, but it seems like a brilliant JN approach. I think that's a bit too much, but thanks anyhow. ;-) JN If it were packaged in a way to be easily triggered by the user, I thought filters are rather easy to trigger. After all TB's main feature is it's filtering system. (At least that's why I started to use it.) JN and also requiring some user confirmation to avoid automated JN problems, it would be a good feature addition to TB! As another feature it would be bloatware. As far as the user confirmation, that was the part that Antje wanted to skip (or that's how I read the message). Well, only if I had to confirm every time... as a once-and-for-all-solution, it would be fine with me. But: BTW Please don't suggest that TB should be able to access pics anywhere on the internet. Not even as a configurable option. Something like that is no function of an e-mail client. Any code inserted to make such a feature available makes the program more sluggish (because it's bigger), more buggy (there's no such thing as code without errors) and more vulnerable. I understand now that there are different opinions on this issue, and that's what I wanted to know when I asked what you thought about it. Antje Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hi Roelof, First of all, I didn't test this. ;-) Create an incoming filter for your Daily Dilbert Mail that extracts the attached file to disk and let the same filter start an external program, in this case your browser with a parameter that makes it open your attachment. Since 'extract attachment' is lower on the actions tab than 'run external program' there's a possibility that the browser will be called before the file exists. Therefore it might be necessary to do this in two filters (enable 'continue processing with other filters on the 'options tab' of the first filter) Thanks Roelof, this way I could be able to autmate the viewing process. I'll try it out! Antje Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML mail
Hello Simon, Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 1:59:47 PM, you wrote: S it would be completely foolish IMO to even begin to consider S dumping TB! simply because of the inclusion of an option that you S don't wish to make use of yourself. I'd like to know what other mailer those who say they would dump TB! if it became capable of creating HTML mail would go to since many other mailers already have this function. -- Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML mail
Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 2:55:07 PM, you wrote: I am very glad you didn't write this one here: http://ccug.apcug.org/newsApr02.htm ;-) :-) ... yeah... Imagine the flames it would set up here...rushing for fireproof clothing. Please continue to ask. I encourage you to write one on The Bat! Coming up soon...December newsletter...or at most Jan. Templates in which you can use anything from simple macros to a highly complicated scripting language. Thus, TB is easy to use for the beginner, who wants to use only simple functions, but it also has a myriad of features that email-geeks like (you find several people on this list that have Emailaholics International mentioned as Organisation in their mail header). Macros are what I plan to learn next. I already do VB so it should not be *too* difficult. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML mail
Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 3:54:30 AM, you wrote: Hi TBUDL, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 02:46:32 [GMT +0530] you wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) Ooooh here we go again hold on to your hats ! Hey I review a lot of software and cannot be a Pro at it all. Need to kow things I can put in my review. Did I step in something mucky here? MD. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML mail
Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 5:53:41 AM, you wrote: Hello Mean, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:04:47 +0530 GMT (03/12/02, 05:34 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) Ooooh here we go again hold on to your hats ! Hey I review a lot of software and cannot be a Pro at it all. Need to kow things I can put in my review. Did I step in something mucky here? You did. ;-) As you have noticed, people on this list (myself included) consider HTML mail an oximoron. Mail is mail, and HTML (hypertext mark-up language) is for hypertext documents, such as web pages. HTML has no place in email. If you want people here go really up the walls, say something positive about IncrediMail eg. Please ask more about the resons why if you want, but I would suggest to do that on TBOT rather than here. Maybe you also want to check out the archives, as this was discussed before in lengthy threads. Are your software reviews on the internet, so we can read a bit? Thanks to all of those who replied. Indeed amny of the reviews are online. I am webmaster and Editor for the Colony Computer User Group. http://ccug.apcug.org the newsletter section has all my reviews. Planning to write one on the Bat! I am a recent user still getting my feet wet...that's why the elementary question. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML-mail
Saturday, December 01, 2001, 11:23:43 AM, Peter Smitt wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. My experience is that 99% of the people who use html in their mails even don't know that they do so. They are just the victims of the default options of Outlook. Spammers use html deliberately, but I don't feel obliged to support them. The Bat! shouldn't become an Outlook clone, it is just the difference that makes it an attractive and safe alternative. No use for wasting resources for an option that is deliberately used only by a few percent of the population. Let them muddle with Outlook. FWIW, I'm currently trialling TB as a replacement for Outlook. This is because Outlook is the target for too many virus attacks to be safe. I'm probably not an average Outlook user -- because I set all my defaults to plain text. I see no reason to send bloat that adds no value to the content. However, there are times when I want to include lists or pictures in a message. TB does a pretty good job of foiling some of spammy's tricks. For example, TB doesn't show off the page graphics (preventing auto-verification your email address). It's a safe alternative to Outlook because it doesn't use the MS address book and because it restricts attachments and off-page resources. Adding a limited HTML composition ability would not compromise this. Personally, I feel that the *option* of using HTML would add value to TB. (... but plain text should be the default:-) -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML-mail
Hi Alastair, On samedi 1 décembre 2001 at 13:39:37, you wrote : AS (I'm currently using Becky!; although it has vices, most notably a poor AS editor, plugin support is one area in which it is better than TB! AS Particularly good is a plugin which supports reading and posting of AS news; the integration is seamless). In fact, BkNews is OK if you have a very low usage of news. If not, use Forté Agent or XNews... they have real possibilites in managing lot of newsgroups -- Regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54/10 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML-mail
Peter, On Friday, November 30, 2001, 3:51:41 PM, you wrote: PM I don't think so, Nick. There are too many Outlook (Express) users around. PM I do like to be able to see their style, though I despise HTML in mails PM generally. One of the reasons I switched to The Bat! from Pegasus was because of the way it handled HTML messages. Most of the mail I get still comes from Outlook and Outlook Express and The Bat! handles it very well. Although for the most part I also despise HTML emails, I'm not so certain that at least having the option to use it occasionally would be such a bad idea. The only HTML I used was some occasional bolding or italics which I didn't think was such a horrible offense. -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, 'What was THAT?! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML-mail
On 11/30/2001, Peter Meyns wrote: I don't think so, Nick. There are too many Outlook (Express) users around. I do like to be able to see their style, though I despise HTML in mails generally. I agree with you in so far as TB! shouldn't implement creating HTML mails. This should never be encouraged. As much as some of us hate it, html mail is here to stay, and any mail client that doesn't offer the option to compose in this format is doomed in the long run. I despise tacky Outlook html templates but people love using them. The Bat *needs* to be able to compose in html format. As far as viewing html mails, we should have the option of using the Bat's built-in limited viewer (which is enought for my own needs, anyhow) or selecting Microsoft's viewer if we want to see the mail with images, etc. -- Regards, Don Zeigler ...Bother, said Pooh, as he gave Ted Kennedy another driving lesson. Irritating tagline brought to you by The Bat! 1.53d at 12:42:42 AM on Saturday, December 01, 2001 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML-mail
At 12:47 AM 01/12/01, Don Zeigler wrote: The Bat *needs* to be able to compose in html format. As far as viewing html mails, we should have the option of using the Bat's built-in limited viewer (which is enought for my own needs, anyhow) or selecting Microsoft's viewer if we want to see the mail with images, etc. Negative! If people want to see all that fancy HTML, then they can use a Browser to view it, which is what HTML was designed for. I would have to disagree with you that TB! 'needs' to be able to do HTML anything. What you are proposing is an Outlook 'wannabe', and I for one hope RITLabs never entertain going that route. -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Courtenay, B.C. Canada=- [ Eudora 5.1/EIS 2.1 | PGP 7.1 | Win 98 SE ] ___ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML Mail viewing (images)
-- On Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 11:12:08 PM, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote: AGSAA Personally I don't think you're going against the rules of this ML when AGSAA you're trying to discuss some topics like one you were raised. However AGSAA this particular topic have been discussed more than 10 times in my mind AGSAA with the same and the sad result: it ended up with the holy war and the AGSAA flame war :-(. Sad but true (C) RIT Labs. AGSAA There are several ways to stop this useless HTML-with-images talks AGSAA forever. Andrey - (and everyone else): Those of us who have joined the list relatively recently have no way of knowing which issues and topics have been discussed here before. In fact, because the volume of mail from this list is so high, I cannot possibly read all of the mail that comes in currently - so it would be easy to miss a topic. (I just filter the list into a folder in threaded form, read the posts under subject topics that look like they might interest me, and delete the rest). The ONLY answer is a good online FAQ, combined with automated distribution to the list of the links to the FAQ, as a reminder to new users to check the FAQs before posting. The fact that a subject seems to be one that has been exhaustively debated in the past would indicate that it is something that should be included in the FAQs. -Abigail -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello Austin, Monday, January 08, 2001, 6:28:05 PM, you wrote: AD Hi What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that .html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view? I would just like a HTML message to display all of the images : -- Best regards, Kent - Kent Villardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebMaster The Internet Chef -http://www.ichef.com/--- Visit Our New Sites: http://www.links4recipes.com/ - The Best Recipe Portal On The Net. http://www.recipes4thanksgiving.com/ - All Thanksgiving Cooking All The Time -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hi Kent I would just like a HTML message to display all of the images : Me too. :) Austin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
15/09/2000, Steve Lamb: Aside from templates what does TB! really do better? Hi all. I'm pretty new to TB, used Pegasus Mail and Eudora for years, and the main reason why I gave up with PM is that you can't have any copy of actually sent messages, but only [multiple] copies of queued ones (unless, of course, you don't put yourself in bcc). Simply, I can't stand that. I think I'm definetly shifting to TB, just waiting to figure out how to do a couple of things. -- Luca -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
Hello Marck and all, Thursday, September 14, 2000, 5:54:55 PM, you wrote: While you can (with a great deal of effort), it is not part of the TB remit to cover HTML mail creation. There are a number of other products which do this. There are also a large majority of dedicated TB users who don't want TB to be able to do this. Theory states that V2 (currently in development but not yet even in beta) will be able to do this. I would prefer that it didn't, but then again I get told I'm an old dinosaur in that respect. Hmmm, that gives me a problem. I can understand that if the software currently doesn't let you send HTML email easily, then its likely to gain a strong following of hard-liners in favour of text-only posting. I shall watch for version 2 with interest - I certainly don't /always/ want to send in HTML, but I like to have the choice. I'm afraid you are. Please refrain from posting HTML here. My apologies on that to all, it wasn't intended. The competitive product I was trying seems to have turned out equally unhelpful in reverse - it only posts HTML, even when there is no reason to. The Bat is the best e-mail client there is. Period. HTML is not for e-mail - it is for presentation. You wouldn't expect TB to include all of WordPerfect's capabilities - you would sent a WP document as an attachment. Thus you can attach a prepared HTML file to an email an and in that way send an "HTML mail". I don't want to get into an argument about OE and Poco and all of the others that "let you do it properly". That doesn't make it right IMHO. Understand your views, but to be fair I think most users on this group are likely to be biased. I'm not saying that to be unkind, but I'm talking to the converted. Those who preferred something else to The Bat! will be on that software's mailing list or NNTP group. :o) Now, show me another client that handles multiple accounts, with template facilities like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and the very useful ticker and its' virtual folder for reading all new mail. I don't believe there is one. Well, on multiple accounts I think Poco has the edge. I find the size of the multiple list of inboxes in The Bat! to be one of its disadvantages, Poco manages to combine the Inbox, Outbox, Sent etc. into one. I think that's a lot neater if you use multiple accounts. On the other hand, The Bat! is A1 perfect with the templates and signatures, allowing a lot of flexibility. There are some other excellent features, too - I love the little "P" for parked messages etc. My other irritation with TB's handling of multiple accounts is that there is no easy button/key combination to collect email from all accounts. I keep collecting from just one in error. perhaps I have missed something here. If you hang around, you may also discover that this list is itself yet another asset in the TB armoury g. I'm sure you are right, Marck. I do intend to hang around for a while - I've got a month of the trial in which to make my mind up, but I'd like to make my decision sooner rather than later. Of course, the choice is yours. Indeed. For your interest, I have been using Eudora which is quite good but slow and clunky against The Bat! and Poco. I am also getting seriously annoyed with it for pestering me for registration and other personal information when I have paid for the wretched product. I feel it has turned from a good product into an over-bloated information harvester with upgrades. I've also tried to test Calypso but I can't stop it crashing - probably a clash with other software I have rather than a direct fault with the programme. Best wishes and thanks for the help and guidance, John Hinson (in plain text, I hope!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
Hello Steve, Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:29:02 PM, you wrote: SL On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:22:21AM +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: My main argument is always the waste of bandwidth (and that I find emails with different fonts and colours offensive or just plain ugly, but that's certainly a matter of taste). What other reasons are there? SL There is no standard set of HTML defined for email clients to support. SL 2.0, 3.0, 4.0? XHTML 1.0? CSS? XML? What should they support and what SL should they /not/ support? SL There is no standard set for displaying HTML from email, only for the SL transport of the HTML in MIME. You know, that is what I like so much about standards. I got so many to choose from. The programmers of the software that reads " HTML " have not addopted any standards either. So the candle has been burning at both ends for wuite some time now. -- Regards, Curtis Campbell PS: I'm glad to be here, new curmudgeon on the list! Batten down your hatches and lock up your wives! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote: SL has better sorting What is better? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 3:30:04 PM, you wrote: SL On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:26:33PM -0700, ztrader wrote: On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote: SL has better sorting What is better? SL That is not enough context to go by. For example, can it do numeric weighting for sorting (if 'zzz' is in the body, add +100 to ProbableSpam variable, and so on...)? Can it sort, then place headers in the mail, then resort to refine the sorting? Can it compare a file of 1-line text strings against the From: header and see if there are any matches? Any of these would be improvements over TB. What sorting functions or operations does it do better? I'm always interested in better sorting :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:02:43 PM, you wrote: SL PMMail has nicer filtering, Oops - there's that word again :-). I'm very interested in good filtering. What does PMM do better re filtering? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:14:06 PM, you wrote: SL With TB! the SL configuration of filters is quite cryptic. I'd have to agree there, although good help files and examples could have answered many of the questions I had. SL limited scripting capabilities in advanced SL mode. Hey - now you're talking. How can I find out more about the scripting? Does it really do useful things? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
