Re[2]: Submission Forms?

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello MFPA,

> The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission
> forms template?

The forms in version 3.5 were significantly changed. The new forms
work only with certificates (yet - PGP will be supported in the next
release) and they are in HTML format now.

To create a new form:

1. Prepare HTML form in any HTML editor capable to create/edit forms.
2. Use the Options|Submission Forms menu command
3. Click Add
4. Choose the form name and the file it will be stored in (you may use
the Browse button)
5. Click the Load button and select the HTML form you've prepared.
6. Configure the form parameters and save the form.

Well, the new form system is quite cryptic in some aspects, but it's
now possible to create and maintain forms more easily.






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Re[2]: Submission Forms?

[Vili]

M>>> The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission
M>>> forms template?
>> By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is
>> all. After that: Options, Submission forms.
M> I had not previously noticed that entry in the Options menu. How
M> do you activate it? (It is greyed out at the moment.)

I dont know... It was always active for me. I am using v3.0.1.33 now.
But I dont think, that it should not work in v3.5.

Hmm... Second thought. Maybe it is inactive out as you dont have a PGP
key in your PGP depot. PGP is needed for Submission forms.

So, make a PGP key and come back with the result!

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Re[2]: Submission Forms?

[Vili]

>> There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples.
>> I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it
>> :)
M> The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission
M> forms template?

By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is
all. After that: Options, Submission forms.

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Re[2]: Submission Forms?

[Vili]

M> They are not new. Mentioned in the help file for v3.0.1.33 and I'm
M> sure I read it in v2 when I first installed TB!

It was even in v1 :)

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Re[2]: Submission Forms?

[Vili]

>> Seem interesting, but I can't find anything in the help file about them.
M> Yes, there is some info in Help. I don't know if enough, but there is
M> some, even about Form templates. Just search Help for 'forms'.

There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples.
I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it
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Re[2]: Submission forms

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, January 12, 2005, Leif Gregory wrote:

M>> I am using it for registering The Bat! licences and in past, I had
M>> some forms for secure communication with a friends. Actualy, I am
M>> using SF for registrations only.

> Would you be willing to share some code on that?

no problem, but I must find them, I am not using this type of
communication for some years.

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Re[2]: submission forms

[Lija]

Hello Marck,

On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, at 18:23:23 [GMT +0100, your local time]
(2.6.2001 at 19:23 was my local time), you wrote to andrew on TBUDL:

a>> I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The
...
MDP> No, it doesn't. The "Standard format" means that they appear as a
MDP> standard dialog box/form. They only work between a server TB and a
MDP> client TB. I haven't used them myself.

But, do you have some sample TBC files? Will they work if I import one?
I need some sample TBC files to see.

Is it really necessary for them to be signed with RFC-1991 PGP
implementation? Can we make them "clear"?

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Re[2]: Submission forms

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi,

...
J>  I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound stupid, but
J>  I  still  have no idea how to use them. I see them in the submission forms
J>  menu window, but all I can do with them is delete them from there again...
J>  Am I doing something wrong?

from a mail to this list I wrote in January 1999:

Example: you want to provide the service "wish list".
So we declare you the server ;-)

The server has to write a form, put it in a TB mail and sign it
with PGP. He then sends this mail containing the signed form to
all clients (all those subscribers of this list willing to add
to your wish list).

Each client has to fire up TB, receive this mail, check the
digital signature (using your PGP key) and then store the
form in a file with a .TBC extension, e.g. TBWISH.TBC.
The client now adds this form to his list of submission forms.
(This is where we do not succeed, so the following is
 what I think how it should work)

Now the client (e.g. me) wants to send you an entry for the
wish list. To do that I start TB and "call" your form
TBWISH.TBC. TB presents me an input window (formatted according
to your form specification) to enter my wishes and, when I press
OK, sends my input to you in a special formatted mail signed
with my PGP key.

You, the server, receive this mail, verify my digital signature
and handle the data. Because the data was automatically
formatted by the client's (my) TB, you can easily write a
program
to process the data (i.e. add my wishes to the wish list).

Because PGP was used
- I knew that this form really comes from you and not for
example
  from MS trying to steel our good ideas ;-)
- you know that the wish real was from me and can send me the
  donation for my great ideas :-)

Does this make things clearer? Now we only have to make it work
;-)

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Re[2]: Submission forms

[tracer]

Hello Leif Gregory,
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:14:09 +0859 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:15:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Leif Gregory wrote:


Leif> On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 at 23:07:09 [GMT +0200], you wrote:
MM>> Oh, sorry for my previous message... Sure, I do have the idea! As
MM>> said, submission forms work with internal PGP implementation only!
MM>> Select "Tools/Pgp/Choose Version"..

Leif> Ahhh, this does indeed look like the problem. I can't seem to figure
Leif> out how to use my existing keyring with the TB internal version, so
Leif> until I can do that, I'll have to wait to test the submission forms.

just put the pgp path to whereever your keyrings are and the bin file
and run key manager and import that rit lab key.
Sounds like a good idea if some people could validate it as its not
trusted at present...


Leif> Leif Gregory 




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Re[2]: Submission forms

[tracer]

Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:38:03 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:38:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:


Alexander> You can't. Internal PGP works with RSA keys *only*, whereas your existing 
Alexander> keyring is probably mainly DH/DSS...

My keys are RSA and on opening the forms the error about signature is
there.
Have they been properly signed

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Re[2]: Submission forms

[Max Masyutin]

Hello Leif,

Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 6:38:41 PM, you wrote:

LG> Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I imported your PGP keys and
LG> signed them, but whenever I try to add the forms, I get an invalid
LG> signature.

LG> Any ideas?

LG> I have the international PGP v5.5 installed and the Thebat pgp dll as
LG> well.

  Oh, sorry for my previous message... Sure, I do have the idea! As
  said, submission forms work with internal PGP implementation only!
  Select "Tools/Pgp/Choose Version"..

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Re[2]: Submission forms

[Max Masyutin]

Hello Leif,

Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 6:38:41 PM, you wrote:

MM>> Examples are attached. Hope you find them useful. But, before
MM>> installing them, import office.txt PGPkey.

LG> Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I imported your PGP keys and
LG> signed them, but whenever I try to add the forms, I get an invalid
LG> signature.

LG> Any ideas?

 No, by now. Does anywone has same troubles?


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Re[2]: Submission forms

[tracer]

Hello Jast,
On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:49:22 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, January 24, 2000, 10:49:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Jast wrote:


Jast>  That poses the question: How would I find out if they support the forms, that
Jast>  is, ensuring they know what I mean when I ask them about it? 

Sounds like the response we got means they were waiting for a
volenteer...


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Re[2]: Submission forms

[Gary]

Hi Thomas,

On Sunday, January 23, 2000, 10:14:50 PM, you wrote:

T> Hi Gary,

T> On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:04:49 -0600GMT (24/01/2000, 12:04 +0800GMT),
T> Gary wrote:

G>> Will Version 2 have PERL and CGI capabilities?

T> Perl: yes. CGI: Haven't heard about this.

G>> Forms, buttons, web page creation can be very quickly made up this
G>> way.

T> I don't know whether TB should become a web page maker-upper. I'd
T> rather not.

CGI programs are usually written in PERL (which is basically, source
code recompiled every time the program is executed). So, with this in
mind, one can quickly make up scripts which will execute CGI on the
server side cgi-bin file on either NT or Unix.  Therefore, forms and
validation, submit buttons from the email, can be programmed using
PERL in the FORM ACTION to = GET or POST practically anything, like a
complete web page, or additional info from a database on the server
side back to the client's.  Much of what you see on the net, even in
terms of complete web pages, after you click on something is basically
just a return web page which was processed by PERL on the cig-bin
server side, and then sent back to the client using CGI.  PERL
processes it on the server side.  IF TB is capable of utilizing PERL,
theoretically, this could be very powerful stuff here, far more than
what it first appears.  The actual email could call a web page in PERL
from the server, based on client input - all from a form which was
sent by email.  PERL is very powerful and there are very few
limitations as a language.

T> That's email related; web pages aren't.



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Re[2]: Submission forms

[Gary]

Hi Thomas,

On Sunday, January 23, 2000, 9:51:22 PM, you wrote:

T> Hi Leif,

T> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:25:06 +0900GMT (24/01/2000, 06:25 +0800GMT),
T> Leif Gregory wrote:

LG>> We (the moderators) had even considered doing submission forms as a
LG>> form of feedback to TBUDL/TBBETA for submissions to the wish list,
LG>> FAQ, and shortcuts list. However, we didn't want to require everyone
LG>> to have to install PGP just for that purpose.

LG>> If we could get around that to where submission forms could be created
LG>> that didn't require signing, then I'd implement them in a heartbeat.
LG>> They appear to be fairly straightforward in their implementation.


LG>> However, for these to work, the server (the place you are requesting
LG>> the above from) must have the support for these facilities.

T> What is the philosophy behind these submission forms? Example bug
T> report. The way I understand it, it is an e-form, which you fill in,
T> and it contains all the data required. The form is submitted to you
T> somehow, in case of the bug report supplied with the programme.

Have heard that V2 will have the option of running PERL scripting.
Wow, now that opens up many possibilities for my cgi-bin folder
doesn't it?  Can send out via email, verifiable forms or buttons to
press for database entry, to prospects for census data of a product,
service, or whatever, have it return a web page(s), for a thank you,
other informational data that is requested, any and all kinds of good
things. Can literally run web pages using CGI and PERL scripting off
my computer by just sending out email. Possibilities are endless :-)
Really cool stuff.

Will Version 2 have PERL and CGI capabilities?  Forms, buttons, web
page creation can be very quickly made up this way.

T> Once you send it to the recipient (which will be the creator of the
T> e-form), he can read everything and it is up to him whether certain
T> filled-in details should go into some databases, or whatever he wants
T> to do with it.


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