Re: Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
I would like to return to the main subject. Is there yet a confirmed fix for the error message and the failure of The Bat to send e-mail from a gmail domain? If so, what is it? There has been a lot of technical jargon about changing command line parameters or adding certain text to a shortcut. But, subsequent e-mails suggest that this does not always work. So, at this point, is there a definitive resolution? Again, please note (as I previously posted) that my wife, with version 5.8.8 of The Bat, does not experience this problem. -- Avi Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
4/17/2020 3:50 PM Hi Thomas, On 4/16/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF> Yes, as I said: It is the exception. The exception does not make it a TF> rule though. If I were you, I would not use beta versions with my TF> clients, but that's your decision. I would test the new releases TF> myself before upgrading, and if I cannot recommend them, would go back TF> to the previous release. Not any beta version; I would recommend them TF> only for beta testers, never for production and especially not for TF> clients. Now we know you are you abd I am me. Perhaps you will learn to live with that - -- Paul Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
4/16/2020 10:41 AM Hi Thomas, On 4/15/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF> Hello Paul, TF> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT), TF> Paul Van Noord wrote: > There will have been a reason for that, don't you think? Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta or release version? TF>>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be TF>>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing. >> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused >> problems for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I >> keep copies of all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not >> synonymous! TF> Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta TF> versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta TF> forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report TF> back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to TF> download any beta version. TF> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a TF> beta version. TF> Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta TF> process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am TF> just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from TF> a release version to a beta version to make have a better version. I have been a TB user for 32 years. I have been a beta tester for at least 12 years. Perhaps my TB experience exceeds your experience. I have clients all over the world. I fail to appreciate someone of lesser experience telling me the "facts". A closed mind slams the door shut on ability to learn. My methods have proven their value in the test of time and experience for me and my clients. Since I highly customize the TB ui for each client. It is absurd that a release of a MSI would be published with this glaring defect. It forced me back to a beta where Toolbar Customization worked as it did for many years! - -- Paul The Bat! v.9.1.12 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:54:41 PM, you wrote: > This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows, > and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version > numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before > the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to > go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you > are using, is there? I agree with the "off-topic" statement. Let's say we have our differences, which is fine, as both approaches have right for existence. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:40:58 AM, you wrote: > There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to > download any beta version. > Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a > beta version. Those are rather broad statements. > Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.14 (64-bit) > under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Following the logic from above, how come you are not running the latest stable Windows? Build 18362 is neither most recent one nor LTSC. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
4/15/2020 11:15 AM Hi Thomas, >> On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 12:43:19 PM, in >> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- >>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think? >> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta >> or release version? TF> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be TF> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing. There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused problems for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I keep copies of all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not synonymous! - -- Paul The Bat! v.9.1.12 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 7:57:55 PM, you wrote: > Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites. Generally good advice, however in this case it would be prudent to actually look at the content. > Here are the release versions: > https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php > The release version of v8 was issued after *all* the betas for v8. Why > you want to download a beta version with bugs that there fixed in the > release is beyond me. Was it? Let's check the signatures: v8.8.9 was signed on June 5th, while v8.8.9.12 on 8th of September. That is ~3 months difference. Screenshot attached. Lastly, one can simply check the history of this mailing list. > If you are interested in contributing to beta testing though, it will > be better to subscribe to TBBETA and get the versions from Ritlabs > rather than from some unauthorised sites where you don't know what you > actually download. v8.8.9.12 files were removed from RT's website, that is the only reason I have provided those links. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:35:35 PM, you wrote: > There are newer betas... ;-) of v8? Please share. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:58:28 PM, you wrote: > Why would you want to download an old beta version? Because newer "release" version is not production ready. Check all the complains about UI in v9 branch posted to this list in the past weeks. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:19:35 PM, you wrote: > May I suggest to not download beta versions from any unauthorised > sites. If you want to use beta versions, please become a member of the > TBBETA discussion group and downlaod the official betas from the > Ritlabs website only. While "do not download unknown binaries" is generally a good advice, these files were removed from RitLabs website. One can check if executable is signed, from PS: $ Get-AuthenticodeSignature .\thebat64.exe Directory: C:\Program Files\Bat8 SignerCertificate Status Path - -- 6F03CB38881E1E96784B7F00403CC356BA43A839 Validthebat64.exe or, by right-clicking on the binary and selecting "Properties --> Digital Signatures". Lastly, submitting file to https://virustotal.com can shed some light. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
4/9/2020 6:10 PM Hi Susanne, On 4/9/2020 Susanne wrote: S> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 10:27:36 AM, Luca wrote: >> I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could >> downgrade >> and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature. S> I wholeheartedly agree! S> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts S> back to the default after each restart! The behavior is the same here. - -- Paul The Bat! v.9.1.12 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
