Re[4]: Terrorist Attacks
On Wednesday, September 12, 2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote: What you are now seeing is evidence of what the U.S. can do in a national emergency. The country was locked up in just a few hours. Borders closed, Border crossings were closed. Borders themselves can't be closed; there are thousands of miles of totally unprotected border between the U.S. and Canada, not as much but a few spots between U.S. and Mexico, and how many thousands of miles of ocean costline? the entire military world-wide placed on Delta alert, the highest possible before war. The U.S. is still what we (in the U.S.) like to call a free country; for example, the local base, which was the major staging point for the other Bush's war, was still open to civilians Tuesday afternoon, and hasn't been closed to civilians even once since; in fact there was a small airshow there this past weekend. The only other time this country experienced a sneak attack was the attack on Pearl Harbor. This attack, as the one on Pearl Harbor, could have, and should have, been foretold. For example, a few weeks earlier bin Laden (and yes, I know we haven't proven yet it was he) had bragged about a forthcoming attack on the U.S., and newspapers covered weeks (perhaps months; my memory isn't that good when it comes to remembering time-frames) before, that he was training pilots on Boeing aircraft. I am afraid we have awaken[ed] a sleeping giant. As we've all said this time as well. It remains to be seen what GWB would do about it. Obviously he hasn't (almost a week later) nuked anyone. Even today what happened on Dec 7, 1941 is still referred to as 'A Day in Infamy'. And we know what happened then. What happened yesterday in New York Wash, DC was worse. But war is much harder to define these days. Jeff -- Jeff Lasman [EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.nobaloney.net Services to and for Internet Professionals -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Terrorist Attacks
Hello John, Wednesday, September 12, 2001, 11:15:09 PM, you wrote: I agree with you. Besides, Yassir Arafat condemned the attack, too. JP He had no choice. How sincere was it? IMHO all big BS. snip JP I know this is OT for this board, however, a Google search on Koran and JP Violence is most illuminating. Please don't spam this mailing list with prejudiced ignorance. Your reasoning is as sound as branding Christianity and all Christians as evil just because Adolf Hitler was a Christian. Terrorism is hate. Not religion. -- Best regards, Johanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Terrorist Attacks
Hello Jan You wrote On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 12:47:37 [GMT -0400] (02:47 Australian Eastern Time,Thursday): When you the President of the United States use the phrase acts of war, I think it is probable that what you say is already on the table. The only question left is who to direct it at. The perpetrators financiers must be wiped out, but let's hope the war, if it does come, does not end in a defeat similar to Viet Nam. -- Regards John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Bat! 1.53d Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Gives a whole new meaning to Lets eat Greek tonight doesn't it? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Terrorist Attacks
Hello Rob, Thursday, September 13, 2001, 11:41:46 AM, you wrote: I agree with you. Besides, Yassir Arafat condemned the attack, too. He had no choice. How sincere was it? IMHO all big BS. R makes you wonder ... minutes after he was on TV condemning the attack, there were pictures R of palestinians dancing in the street (and not just a few), so either he is not really R representing the people he says he represents or he was lying thru his teeth ... After being being terrorized for many years by an occupying army armed and funded by the US it is not difficult to understand some fanatics reacted in this disgusting way. I dount it was the reaction of most Palestinans though. Why should any sensibel person feel happy about thousands of innocent people being killed? What if the US carpet bombs Afghanistan in response? No doubt would many Americans dance in the street! But if the US takes any serious military action, no doubt there will be collateral damage ie innocent, civilian deaths. Maybe you should read this insightful article by British newspaper Guardian: They can't see why they are hated http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,551036,00.html -- Best regards, Johanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Terrorist Attacks
Hello! As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write: But tell me, was bombing Kabul a solution. Americans _do_ suffer, but this is a major mistake, IMNSHO. But Get Your Facts Right the US didn't bomb Kabul, it's a local battle not the US, at least not yet. I wrote it few minutes after CNN reported bombings. It took USA 7 min to say it wasn't their helicopters. At that time it was considered to be a fast. Best Regards IronHand -- ,[ IronHand of MoonFlow ]- GCS d- s:- a19 C+++ UL P+++ -. |MAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L+++@ E- W+++ N+ o? K w+++ !O M | | WWW: +none yet+ICQ:43598300 V- PS+ PE- Y PGP- t+ 5+ X-- R++ | `- tv- b+ !DI D+ G++ e h!h++ r y? -' -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Terrorist Attacks
Hello Dominik, On Tuesday, September 11, 2001 00:30:04 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Terrorist Attacks': Dominik Judging this is difficult just because of Dominik totally different traditions. Not quite. If this is your kind of tradition, I feel for you, your country your traditions. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/7/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
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Dominic, Re: Your statement American thinking can be dangerous. I say gently, lumping all Americans together as either bad or good is a mistake. My America is a highly diverse land, rich with many cultures that live together with surprisingly little friction. Here is my own American thinking. I volunteer as a tour guide at the U.S. Capitol building. My next shift is Saturday morning. I will be there. I will be there to honor freedom, not to promote American thinking. I will honor such people who worked for freedom as Constantion Brumedi, Thaddeus Kosciusko and George Washington. I list Washington last because he would have said all men are equal, list our names in alphabetic order. Gene Gaines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sterling, Virginia USA On Tuesday, September 11, 2001, 6:30:04 PM, Dominik wrote: Hello! As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write: Same here. I've been in shock all day and still am having difficulty assimilating the days events. The reaction of the vast majority. What happened was an atrocity, all those dead people. One thing that disgusted me was when the news here in the UK showed scenes of Palestinians celebrating. Judging this is difficult just because of totally different traditions. My heartfelt condolences to all those affected directly by these bombings. I have an uncle that lives in Washington but haven't been able to contact him. I also have relatives in New York. I hope your relatives are alright. This is a terrible time for you. So do I. When will people learn that this isn't the way? Never, particularly since the reaction of many Americans on NG's is to 'nuke whoever is responsible'. Given the amount of countries with nuclear weapons that would be a big mistake and could possibly lead to a global nuclear war. Yes. American thinking can be dangerous. Best Regards IronHand -- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
