Re[3]: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Saturday, September 16, 2000, Graham wrote to ztrader about Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used: G I agree, but why, oh why, can't I have the convenience of using G Trutype fonts?? Do you really think that it's a convenience? How will this look with variable width fonts? ---8- color whatprice ------ redstrawberry 3 r green kiwi20 r ---8- -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.46c under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 n Friday, September 15, 2000, 12:29:09 AM, you wrote: JD TB! still doesn't support bold and underline because it's *plain* Hey - somebody else can put emphasis in plain text :-). *I* understood it just fine. I agree, but why, oh why, can't I have the convenience of using Trutype fonts?? Graham -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcM6pC7i2PqZ2xC9EQKNlgCgwmPxOukKHF6noMT5SHs8Sx3AO0YAoLtw YZJomhzj47JBHx3XaqnBwkRZ =A1ca -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
Hallo Graham, On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:17:43 +0100 GMT (16/09/2000, 17:17 +0800 GMT), Graham wrote: G I agree, but why, oh why, can't I have the convenience of using G Trutype fonts?? I understand you can use TrueType as long as it's fixed width. ;-) But don't worry too much, in v2 you will be able to choose your own external editor. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Graham, On 16 September 2000 at 10:17:43 GMT +0100 (which was 10:17 where I live) Graham wrote and made these points on the subject of "Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used": Hey - somebody else can put emphasis in plain text :-). *I* understood it just fine. G I agree, but why, oh why, can't I have the convenience of using G Trutype fonts?? I'm sure you realize that you can use TT fonts. It is variable width fonts that aren't listed - for *very* good reason. You can use variable pitch fonts by employing a registry hack (ask if you want it - I will publish it for you). Alternatively (as many of us have done) you can go cruising for decent fixed pitch TT font (like Andale Mono). You see, with fixed pitch fonts, WYSIWYG plain text becomes a reality. IMHO that is one of the real glories of TB! Allowing variable fonts would break the right, centre and justify presentation modes and only allow left aligned paragraphs. That's a lot of feature to lose. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: Lime is a green-tasting rock. TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcNLITnkJKuSnc2gEQI0swCdEwgBMW6auoCTBDtnLxQ8LzW+cNMAoMX1 ItKJ6hIpLy2GV4a2xHenuGGg =sIhV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
16/09/2000, Marck D. Pearlstone: You can use variable pitch fonts by employing a registry hack (ask if you want it - I will publish it for you). I'd like to use smaller fonts (possibly variable pitch ones, I'm used to arial narrow) for column titles, particularly in the headers list pane (from, subject, etc). Is that possible? I just tried the tip in the faq page about the two registry keys: HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text I can't find the second one, supposing it refers to fonts used in different places than the editor. I also tried to add values manually, with no effect. Any hint? -- Luca -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:56:32 +0200, Luca wrote: L I'd like to use smaller fonts (possibly variable pitch ones, I'm used L to arial narrow) for column titles, particularly in the headers list L pane (from, subject, etc). Is that possible? L I just tried the tip in the faq page about the two registry keys: L HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font L HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text L I can't find the second one, supposing it refers to fonts used in L different places than the editor. I also tried to add values manually, L with no effect. Any hint? The present editor font that I use (Lucida Sans Typ) is not listed as a fixed width font, though it really is. I therefore had to hack the registry to use it. I only changed the font for the first of the two values you gave above, ie, HKEY CURRENT USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font You have to first exit TB!, make the registry change, and then restart TB!. Note however, that TB!'s editor cannot use a variable width font even if you force it to via the registry hack. Everything looks like gibberish. I'm quite sure that it has to do with the free caret interface. You'll notice that with the editor, you may place your cursor anywhere in the editor window and start typing. The character positions seem to be already mapped out in a grid type fashion. A fixed width font makes this possible. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcNYC/AXeSHuB5k3EQIgNwCgmRUchw0pdCpXGGM735RTgY5fkuwAoKpN 3MVBnFNNElWLVAxfEVKdYMLD =Yj4o -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Luca, On 16 September 2000 at 12:56:32 GMT +0200 (which was 11:56 where I live) Luca wrote and made these points on the subject of "Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used": L I'd like to use smaller fonts (possibly variable pitch ones, I'm L used to arial narrow) for column titles, particularly in the L headers list pane (from, subject, etc). Is that possible? Not AFAIK. I was only talking about the message viewer and editor fonts when I spoke about using variable fonts. I believe column title fonts are taken from the system default dialog font, which is usually MS Sans Serif. Having experimented with the "Appearance" settings, it seems that the Icon settings affect explorer column headings but not those within TB, so it seems that that font is hard coded. L I just tried the tip in the faq page about the two registry keys: L HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font L HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text L I can't find the second one, supposing it refers to fonts used in L different places than the editor. I also tried to add values manually, L with no effect. Any hint? Can't be done I'm afraid. These settings only affect the message editor and viewer fonts. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Could it be that all those trick-or-treaters wearing sheets aren't going as ghosts but as mattresses? TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcNk9DnkJKuSnc2gEQKjfgCdHBkqs0PoGkakhzrREy5zAl8/7fQAoKWo E1n0QsOopOkTrq7lK4b8uzMT =5QnT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
Hello David Tod Sigafoos, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:55:09 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, September 14, 2000, 20:55:09 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS And why shouldnt email be presentable? What is it about HTML that DTS scares people so much. Ztrader has already made this point but I'd just like to help flesh out his argument. Currently my TB! holds 10K messages each being approximately 2K. So this works out at about 2K of messages approximately 20MB. In reality it is actually near 30MB. As the average html mail is 12 times larger at least my mail would take up about 360MB. Marck would be using 10 hard drives to hold the archives. DTS Having the ability to send a message to our users with a toc at the DTS beginning of the note and links to other spots in the note is a great DTS feature. Here's how to write a TOC in plain text 1. Point out what a stupid idea html mail is. 2. Show how to write a TOC only using letters and numbers. 3. Pray that html mail will be outlawed. 4. Reasons why TB is not a mass market tool DTS So why not just have it optional. Do you think that because some TB DTS users don't like HTML it will stop? We can only hope. DTS Isn't going to happen. AND if you want TB to be successful and always DTS be at the top of the reviews it will be an important add-on. If TB! was a mass market tool we would have to support all the Outlook Express users who fancy trying to use a real mail client. TBUDL would be dedicated to solving problems like "My mouse has reached the end of the desk. How can I move the pointer to the right.", to see what I really mean read ReBoot My PC on topica www.topica.com DTS I do have one question though. When email started there was no bold, DTS underline etc. Should these simple features be removed? TB! still doesn't support bold and underline because it's *plain* text. If people which to send fancy formatted messages save them as a PDF and mail them as an attachment. Note the use of PDF, Word documents are not a universal format. It is impolite to force people to use Word just to view your mail. At least Acrobat is free. Also word files are real bloatware. -- Jamie Dainton On Friday, September 15, 2000 at 08:18:19 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey Press any key to continue or any other key to quit... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
On Friday, September 15, 2000, 12:29:09 AM, you wrote: JD TB! still doesn't support bold and underline because it's *plain* Hey - somebody else can put emphasis in plain text :-). *I* understood it just fine. JD Note the use of PDF, Word JD documents are not a universal format. Thank the heavens :-). JD It is impolite to force people JD to use Word just to view your mail. Agreed! JD Also JD word files are real bloatware. And can be dangerous to open :-(((. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
