Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Hello Stuart, On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 10:27:44 PM you wrote in msgid:5.1.0.14.2.20020214162639.02279c50@pop (at least in part): SB Uhhh ... yup that won't cut the mustard ... now to find out how I can log SB transfers out the net connection (I'm on a cable modem). You can give http://www.ethereal.com/ a try :-) Or even smaller, but command lined: http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/ -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/39 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) To know the world one must construct it. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
I've been looking for a replacement mail client for Eudora, which seems to have an intense dislike for nested multipart messages. The Bat! and several others support this well ... but either they are full of security holes like LookOut or LookOut Fast, or cumbersome like Netscape and Pegasus, or not mature enough like PocoMail I like the look of The Bat and have been trying this out, but I've hit a major road block. My ISP, rogers.com, when they took over from @home, implemented an SMTP authenticated server, which even their tech support people don't know what type of authentication is actually used. A log of an exchange with Eudora, which works quite happily, btw, produces the following login exchange ... Rcvd: 220 fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com ESMTP server (InterMail vM.5.01.04.06 201-253-122-122-106-20020109) ready Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:04:22 -0500\r\n Sent: EHLO new\r\n Rcvd: 250-fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com\r\n Rcvd: 250-HELP\r\n Rcvd: 250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN\r\n Rcvd: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN\r\n Rcvd: 250-PIPELINING\r\n Rcvd: 250-DSN\r\n Rcvd: 250-8BITMIME\r\n Rcvd: 250 SIZE 7168000\r\n Sent: AUTH LOGIN\r\n Rcvd: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6\r\n Sent: c2Jsnip about 20 charsjb20=\r\n Rcvd: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6\r\n Sent: dmsnip about 10 charscg==\r\n Rcvd: 235 Authentication successful\r\n Snipped chars appear like encrypted random chars. Now, I've assumed this to be a CRAM MD-5 authentication. Pegasus and Poco both seem to work OK in doing the authentication, but I cannot get The Bat! to authenticate. I get the following in the log whether I enable MD-5 or disable it. +2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND - connected to SMTP server *2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND - WARNING: there were no compatible authentication mechanisms detected This is a show stopper for me to use TheBat! since I use multiple domains. Any ideas ? Thanks, Stuart -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Hello Stuart, On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 6:27:55 PM you wrote in msgid:5.1.0.14.2.20020214121359.009fa530@pop (at least in part): SB My ISP, rogers.com, when they took over from @home, implemented an SMTP SB authenticated server, which even their tech support people don't know what SB type of authentication is actually used. Plain-Text LOGIN-authentication. SB A log of an exchange with Eudora, which works quite happily, btw, produces SB the following login exchange ... SB Rcvd: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN\r\n Seems the server supports _only_ Plain-Text authentication! No CRAM, nor CRAM-MD5 [...] SB Sent: AUTH LOGIN\r\n SB Rcvd: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6\r\n This is the string Username: Base64 encoded, nothing more :-) SB Sent: c2Jsnip about 20 charsjb20=\r\n ^ This is your Username sent by Eudora, Base64-encoded too. SB Rcvd: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6\r\n This is the string Password: Base64-encoded. SB Sent: dmsnip about 10 charscg==\r\n ^^^ This is your password, and gee .. it's Base64-encoded too :-) SB Snipped chars appear like encrypted random chars. Hope my explanation cleared it ain't 'encrypted' :-) Only 'encoded' :-) SB Now, I've assumed this to be a CRAM MD-5 authentication. No ... it _is_ plain text ... SB but I cannot get The Bat! to authenticate. Activate only 'Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554)', _NOT_ 'Require secure (MD5) authentication' and it should work. If not: could you please send a network dump as made for the 'Eudora' communication for 'The Bat!' too, so we might see what actions _exactly_ are taken and which not. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/39 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) *singing* I hate you. Where's a tree? Let's all go and hang Barney! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 9:27:55 AM PST, Stuart Brook wrote: Now, I've assumed this to be a CRAM MD-5 authentication. Pegasus and Poco both seem to work OK in doing the authentication, but I cannot get The Bat! to authenticate. I get the following in the log whether I enable MD-5 or disable it. +2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND - connected to SMTP server *2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND - WARNING: there were no compatible authentication mechanisms detected This is a show stopper for me to use TheBat! since I use multiple domains. Hello Stuart, If you assumed the authentication method to be MD5, did you try only that? Or did you try any of the other methods available via TB! as well? There are a few variations on just which type can be used. Have you gone into Eudora, Pocomail, and Pegasus to see exactly how you have it set up in those? Instead of just assuming, there must be some *specific* settings you can see in the other clients that should give you an idea of what you need. I too use several different domains, and I've not had any troubles with the various SMTP authentication methods. I have now gone beyond them - using instead a local SMTP server - ADR (Advanced Direct Remailer). This is an SMTP server that is resident on my machine, and I now use it for all my SMTP sending - regardless of which domain I'm sending from. There are several reasons why I prefer using it, but one of the side effects is that I don't have to use any authentication methods specified by the various domain SMTP servers. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8a/lEjVbXUvsE8ukRAq/2AJwLdiCyIe8QvFM0UmUtr6dDPk9XpgCg40zF 903kc1Bu5i5RUrV2iULRfRE= =OBp7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
On 14 February 2002 at 18:08 Stuart wrote: And can you tell me how I would get that for The Bat! ? The Log doesn't contain that much info. This was extracted from Eudora.log with the appropriate debug selections made in the ini file. Bizarrely, you can't. One of my feature requests is for TB! to write the unexpurgated logfile somewhere. The sanitised version TB! presents is fine until something really obscure goes wrong ... Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Friday, 15 February 2002 Hi Melissa, On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, at 09:53:14 [GMT -0800] (which was 6:53 a.m. here in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote: MR I have now gone beyond them - using instead a local SMTP server - MR ADR (Advanced Direct Remailer). I too have had problems with variable SMTP domains and I saw your posting about ADR and I am now testing it out and so far ..It Rocks.. They even recommend it be used with TB. Cheers, Chris Put knot yore trust inn spel chequers Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/39 E-Mail System -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 3:47:47 PM PST, Nick Andriash wrote: What do you have to do for it to work? It just sits there in my System Tray, and I cannot figure out what it needs to act as a local SMTP Server. I don't see a manual with it... probably something simple I'm overlooking. Hello Nick, While there are other small configuration settings you can set up, the one *very simple* thing you need to do to get it working is to type localhost (no quotes) in your email client's SMTP server field for each account you want to use it with. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8bE44jVbXUvsE8ukRApbcAKDUyKNaed6vmj8xh7R2vFe3/WyYmACfa17r +QaBX7pBNhPhvl3l0tOd2VQ= =9b9u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Hello Melissa Reese, On Thursday, February 14 2002 at 03:55 PM PDT, you wrote: While there are other small configuration settings you can set up, the one *very simple* thing you need to do to get it working is to type localhost (no quotes) in your email client's SMTP server field for each account you want to use it with. Yes, I've done that Melissa, but for whatever reason, all my Mail I'm sending out just sits in ADR's Outbox, and I can see no way to Send that Mail. What is the trick? There is something really basic I'm missing here. :o( -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Hello Chris, Thursday, February 14, 2002, 6:27:50 PM, you wrote: MR I have now gone beyond them - using instead a local SMTP server - MR ADR (Advanced Direct Remailer). CH I too have had problems with variable SMTP domains and I saw your CH posting about ADR and I am now testing it out and so far ..It Rocks.. CH They even recommend it be used with TB. I cannot use my own SMTP server (or at least soon won't be able to) and many ISPs are following suit, by blocking IP port 25 unless it is to connect to *their own* server. I tried with Mailgate, and it seems to do the job, just have to make sure it's not externally accessible, since it would look like an open relay. Stuart -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
At 14:54 2/14/02, you wrote: On 14 February 2002 at 18:08 Stuart wrote: And can you tell me how I would get that for The Bat! ? The Log doesn't contain that much info. This was extracted from Eudora.log with the appropriate debug selections made in the ini file. Bizarrely, you can't. One of my feature requests is for TB! to write the unexpurgated logfile somewhere. The sanitised version TB! presents is fine until something really obscure goes wrong ... Alastair Uhhh ... yup that won't cut the mustard ... now to find out how I can log transfers out the net connection (I'm on a cable modem). Stuart -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Friday, 15 February 2002 Hi Nick, On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, at 15:47:47 [GMT -0800] (which was 12:47 p.m. here in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote: NA What do you have to do for it to work? It just sits there in my System NA Tray, and I cannot figure out what it needs to act as a local SMTP NA Server. I don't see a manual with it... probably something simple I'm NA overlooking. In ADR go to:- | Help | Configuring | Mail Clients | Setting of the Bat. This may give you a clue. Mine wouldn't work at first, but then I changed the port to 2525 ( in ADR | Delivery | General Settings | Server ) Hope this helps Regards, Chris Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/39 E-Mail System -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
Hello Chris Hall, On Thursday, February 14 2002 at 05:40 PM PDT, you wrote: In ADR go to:- | Help | Configuring | Mail Clients | Setting of the Bat. This may give you a clue. Thanks Chris... My problem turned out to be something as simple as not checking a box under 'Actions' so that my messages would be sent immediately. They were piling up in my Outbox and I couldn't figure how to get them out of there. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
