Re: TB temp files?

[Rick]

M> Hi


M> On Sunday 1 June 2014 at 6:05:29 PM, in
M> , Rick wrote:


>> Here  are  the  folders  and  files I clean out every
>> night (including subfolders) (Attached)  

M> The only attachment that I can see is a file called Part.txt 
M> which said:- 

M> 
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M> which is usually at the foot of the message body on postings to this 
M> list, but was missing from yours.



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Re: TB temp files?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 1 June 2014 at 6:05:29 PM, in
, Rick wrote:


> Here  are  the  folders  and  files I clean out every
> night (including subfolders) (Attached)  

The only attachment that I can see is a file called Part.txt 
which said:- 


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which is usually at the foot of the message body on postings to this 
list, but was missing from yours.


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Re: TB temp files?

[Rick]

JSL> Hello MAU,

JSL> On Sunday, June 01, 2014 you wrote:

M>> Hello Jack,


>>> It took me about an hour to correctly construct the above path in the
>>> batch file MFPA provided, ...

M>> I have no idea why but I never received MFPA's reply in which he
M>> suggested the batch, I did get your reply to him though. I looked into
M>> my Gmail's SAPM folder and it was not there either. Go figure!

JSL> Hmmm, curiouser and curiouser.

JSL> The batch file MFPA provided was:

JSL> @Echo on
JSL> @Echo.
JSL> @Echo  **
JSL> @Echo  **
JSL> @Echo  ** Deleting any leftover The Bat! temp files**
JSL> @Echo  **
JSL> @Echo  **
JSL> ::
JSL> ::
JSL> del  %temp%\bat*.tmp

Here  are  the  folders  and  files I clean out every night (including
subfolders) (Attached)


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Re: TB temp files?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Sunday, June 01, 2014 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,


>> It took me about an hour to correctly construct the above path in the
>> batch file MFPA provided, ...

M> I have no idea why but I never received MFPA's reply in which he
M> suggested the batch, I did get your reply to him though. I looked into
M> my Gmail's SAPM folder and it was not there either. Go figure!

Hmmm, curiouser and curiouser.

The batch file MFPA provided was:

@Echo on
@Echo.
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
@Echo  ** Deleting any leftover The Bat! temp files**
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
::
::
del  %temp%\bat*.tmp


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Re: TB temp files?

[MAU]

Hello Jack,


> It took me about an hour to correctly construct the above path in the
> batch file MFPA provided, ...

I have no idea why but I never received MFPA's reply in which he
suggested the batch, I did get your reply to him though. I looked into
my Gmail's SAPM folder and it was not there either. Go figure!

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Re: TB temp files?

[Rick]

JSL> It took me about an hour to correctly construct the above path in the
JSL> batch file MFPA provided, having been away from batch file programming
JSL> since DOS and the old C:\ prompt.  I never had to deal with spaces in
JSL> directory names back then.  But I was eventually successful and got
JSL> the batch file to run and do what it was supposed to do.  I got so
JSL> wrapped up in that little task that I forgot the TB was still running
JSL> when the batch file finally executed correctly.  Fortunately no harm
JSL> seems to have been done (fingers crossed).

I  run Ccleaner and besides the various windows temp locations, I have
it  clean  out the cache folder and the imgfiles folder and also these
files:
MESSAGES.BC?;MESSAGES.BK?;MESSAGES.IB?;part.bin;*.tmp
I have yet to lose a message

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Re: TB temp files?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Saturday, May 31, 2014 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,


>> Has anyone seen files named bat4AA7.tmp, batDF96.tmp, bat4A27.tmp,
>> batB537.tmp etc, etc, etc?
>>
>> There are dozens if not hundreds of them in:
>>
>> C:\Users\her name\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\her name\Faux inbox\

M> I have seen that kind of .tmp files in the past, I don't recall how long
M> ago, but they were always in my TEMP directory (on Windows XP). Have you
M> looked at the dates? Are they recent?

M> I always assumed they were leftovers from beta versions and/or crashes
M> and deleted them with no problem.

Unfortunately I didn't pay much attention to the file dates except I
remember seeing one that was several years old.  These were not in the
TEMP directory but in the path specified above.  My WIN Temp directory
does not contain any TB temp files nor did I have any when I looked at
my computer at the path above.  Go figure.

It took me about an hour to correctly construct the above path in the
batch file MFPA provided, having been away from batch file programming
since DOS and the old C:\ prompt.  I never had to deal with spaces in
directory names back then.  But I was eventually successful and got
the batch file to run and do what it was supposed to do.  I got so
wrapped up in that little task that I forgot the TB was still running
when the batch file finally executed correctly.  Fortunately no harm
seems to have been done (fingers crossed).

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Re: TB temp files?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Saturday, May 31, 2014 you wrote:


>> We're both
>> running TB! ver. 5.2 so I'm at a loss to understand why
>> they appear on her machine and not mine.

M> Normally TB! would delete them itself but sometimes doesn't get the
M> chance, for example if something interferes with normal operation or
M> closedown. Maybe anti-virus software intervenes on incoming messages,
M> or maybe the laptop gets shut down before TB! has completed its
M> housekeeping, or occasionally TB! hangs or crashes.

My thanks to you both.  I'll delete these and try to pay more
attention to that location in the future.  I may just put your batch
file in a utilities folder I have on her desktop.

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Re: TB temp files?

[MAU]

Hello Jack,


> Has anyone seen files named bat4AA7.tmp, batDF96.tmp, bat4A27.tmp,
> batB537.tmp etc, etc, etc?
>
> There are dozens if not hundreds of them in:
>
> C:\Users\her name\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\her name\Faux inbox\

I have seen that kind of .tmp files in the past, I don't recall how long
ago, but they were always in my TEMP directory (on Windows XP). Have you
looked at the dates? Are they recent?

I always assumed they were leftovers from beta versions and/or crashes
and deleted them with no problem.


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Re: TB temp files?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 31 May 2014 at 12:39:23 AM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



> Has anyone seen files named bat4AA7.tmp, batDF96.tmp,
> bat4A27.tmp, batB537.tmp etc, etc, etc?

As St - Musaic.Net says, they are temp files. 



> There are dozens if not hundreds of them in:

> C:\Users\her name\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\her
> name\Faux inbox\

When I get them, they are always in my Temp directory:

C:\Documents and Settings\[NAME]\Local Settings\Temp

and I currently have five of them. I delete them from time to time 
(when TB! is not running) as part of a simple batch file:


@Echo on
@Echo.
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
@Echo  ** Deleting any leftover The Bat! temp files**
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
::
::
del  %temp%\bat*.tmp


Obviously you would need to edit the path.



> We're both
> running TB! ver. 5.2 so I'm at a loss to understand why
> they appear on her machine and not mine.

Normally TB! would delete them itself but sometimes doesn't get the
chance, for example if something interferes with normal operation or
closedown. Maybe anti-virus software intervenes on incoming messages,
or maybe the laptop gets shut down before TB! has completed its
housekeeping, or occasionally TB! hangs or crashes.

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Re: [TBUDL] TB temp files?

[St - Musaic.Net]

> Has anyone seen files named bat4AA7.tmp, batDF96.tmp, bat4A27.tmp,
> batB537.tmp etc, etc, etc?

As you say, these are TheBat Temp files. You can safely delete them when
The Bat is not running. It is a bit pity that TheBat is not houskeeping
itself.


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TB temp files?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDLs,

Has anyone seen files named bat4AA7.tmp, batDF96.tmp, bat4A27.tmp,
batB537.tmp etc, etc, etc?

There are dozens if not hundreds of them in:

C:\Users\her name\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\her name\Faux inbox\

The "Faux inbox" is a folder to which all incoming messages get
filtered as soon as they arrive.  This folder exists on both of our
computers.

I used a utility called WINDERSTAT to give me a pictoral display of what
is on her hard disk and these files take up an unpleasant amount of
disk space.

She uses an HP laptop and I use a home-built desktop.  These files do
not exist on my computer.  We're both running TB! ver. 5.2 so I'm at a
loss to understand why they appear on her machine and not mine.

Any insight will of course, be greatly appreciated.

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NAV does NOT delete viruses in TB temp files.

[ztrader]

Norton AV does NOT seem to delete viruses that it finds in temp files
created by TB. NAV SAYS they are deleted, but they are not. Be
careful.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

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On Sunday, April 15, 2001 at 8:55:54 PM you wrote:

AL>> Then: FASTIO_WRITE, file is messages.tbi, Result is FAILURE - what the
AL>> heck is that? What does Fastio_x mean?

> Pass.

I don't know it, but think it is a kind of input-output facility (Fast
in out). Maybe that can help.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

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Hi Alexander,

On 15 April 2001 at  20:45:40 +0200 (which was 19:45 where I  live)
Alexander Levenetz wrote to Ming-Li and made these points:

AL> Then: FASTIO_WRITE, file is messages.tbi, Result is FAILURE - what the
AL> heck is that? What does Fastio_x mean?

Pass.

AL> Then: IRP_MJ_CREATE, file is TheBat!\thebat.ipc, Result is FILE NOT
AL> FOUND. This is a constant one. What is thebat.ipc?
AL> Process is always thebat.exe:1100.

This is an easy one. thebat.ipc is the TB inter-process communication
file. TB scans for this file and executes any commands it finds in
there.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hello,


> Ok, I installed a real-time file activity monitor (freeware) from
> System Internals,

I just did that myself as well. Now I'm rather irritated...

Scanning only TB! I get the following results/errors:

Request: FASTIO_READ, file is messages.tbi, Result is SUCCESS. Ok,
sound good.
Then: FASTIO_WRITE, file is messages.tbi, Result is FAILURE - what the
heck is that? What does Fastio_x mean?
Then: IRP_MJ_CREATE, file is TheBat!\thebat.ipc, Result is FILE NOT
FOUND. This is a constant one. What is thebat.ipc?
Process is always thebat.exe:1100.

Can anyone tell me anything about what's going on here? I run TB!
1.52beta/4 on Win2k SP1.

Btw, I have these bat*.tmp files as well, even without that TB!
crashes.

Greetings,
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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 09:23:24 -0700 Ming-Li wrote:

> I'll get a real-time monitoring tool to try again.

Ok, I installed a real-time file activity monitor (freeware) from
System Internals, and indeed for every received message there's a
temp file created in the temp dir. They're all closed and killed
within a few seconds (no wonder the once-per-min. snapshots missed
most of them).

The question remains, why are there so many temp files that are left
in the temp dir and not deleted for so many of you. As Thomas said,
without source codes, we can only speculate. And I'm frankly out of
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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 16:55:12 -0400 Tim Musson wrote:

ML>> even when the number of messages to download is large, I don't
ML>> always see temp files created.

> One question, what dir are you monitoring?  You say the "temp"
> dir, but which "temp" dir?

I guess you didn't follow the other thread that prompted me to do
the experiment. As I have explained to Marck, I do know where the
temp dir is. I set it up manually (I'm not using the system
default). It's neither C:\temp nor one under the [documents and
settings], but rather one I designated. And yes, I'm very sure. I
know there're 4 temp dir settings, and I've hand-set all of them.

The fact that I do sometimes see TB temp files created in the temp
dir, as quoted above, should be enough proof that I was watching the
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Re[2]: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

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Hey Ming-Li,

Friday, April 13, 2001, 12:23:24 PM, you wrote:

ML> I'm not sure exactly how this works. I watched closely at the temp
ML> dir when downloading mail, but even when the number of messages to
ML> download is large, I don't always see temp files created. It's
ML> possible they're deleted too soon for my explorer to refresh its
ML> display. I'll get a real-time monitoring tool to try again.

One question, what dir are you monitoring?  You say the "temp" dir,
but which "temp" dir?

C:\temp ?
w2k does not use this by default.  It uses something like
C:\Documents and Settings\LoginID\Local Settings\Temp

I know I have both (because I needed c:\temp for other things) and my
TB temp files show up in the C:\Doc...\Temp one.

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Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 16:40:43 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote:

> It seems that when I compress all folders, it purges.

I went back to look at the explanation Karin gave you, and found
what caused the confusion. I'm also at fault, of course, since I
endorsed what she said without thinking. I guess she was lacking
caffeine, and I simply had a bad day though it was only morning.

Now, Karin's explanation is still a good place to start:

KS> When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really
KS> removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file
KS> (*.tbi).

This is almost right, except the index entry isn't really "taken
out". It's marked as deleted. That's why you can "browse deleted
messages", which would be much harder to do if the index entries no
longer exist.

KS> When you purge, it is really deleted.

Here, "purge" should be "compress". (In dBase/Clipper terminology,
it's "pack".)

What does "purging" do, then? It means deleting old messages
according to a set criteria. If you have experience with higher-end
newsreader, you should have no trouble with this concept. In TB, the
criteria is set on a folder-by-folder basis (try Folder |
Properties). If you set a folder to keep no a maximum of 100
messages, e.g., then when you purge it TB would delete all messages
but the newest 100.

When purging, TB delete them in its usual way--marking them as
deleted in the index file (.tbi), but not removing them physically
from the message base file (.tbb). Yet, as I said earlier, purging
in TB is always followed by compression (either on all folder or a
single one). The reverse isn't true.

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Re[2]: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Dwight A Corrin]

Friday, April 13, 2001, 12:10:40 PM, you wrote:

>> I have been compressing, which seems to purge.  Today I tried purging,
>> which seems to compress.  They appear to be redundant processes.

> No, as Karin put it, purge and compress are two different things.
> It's just in TB you can't do Purging without compression. The "Purge
> all folders" command under the Folder menu does do compression,
> which should be renamed to "Purge AND COMPRESS all folders". The one
> for a single folder ("Purge and Compress") is clear.

> The Compress and Compress All Folders commands, OTOH, don't purge.


It seems that when I compress all folders, it purges.  To test, I
compressed all folders, then deleted a message.  I compressed, and
recovered an amount of space similar to the size of the message.  When
I purged all folders, there was nothing to purge.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Thomas]

Hallo Ming-Li,

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:23:24 -0700 GMT (14/04/2001, 00:23 +0800 GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:

>> and must have created a rather large log file

ML> The log is about 2.4 MB, 66 thousand lines,

If that is not large...

ML> I'm not sure exactly how this works.

[...]
ML> 1. why
ML> 2. why

So many questions, so few answers (without source code). Life's tough.
;-) Thanks for your efforts, but I tink at this point we can only
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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

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Hello Thomas!

On Friday, April 13, 2001 at 4:29:14 AM you wrote:

> This is what you have missed. If there is any doubt about whether the
> "import" was successful, TB will not delete the files in the temp dir,
> giving you a chance to find out whether the error might have to do
> with them.

But why then do I have those undeleted temps consistently every time,
when I have *never* encountered the prob with hanging or even crashing
(lucky me) during the import process?


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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

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Hello Ming-Li!

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 6:50:11 PM you wrote:

> And I don't use TB's ticker, if that makes a difference.

As one who has - newly - encountered the mysterious temp problem, I
just want to fill in that I am also *not* using the MT due to my
problem that it gets stuck and I cannot get access through it to the
new mails because it gets stuck displaying the message how many mails
have arrived.

So, it is not the MT creating and not deleting the temps.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

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Hello Ming-Li!

On Friday, April 13, 2001 at 6:23:24 PM you wrote:

> Well, since it doesn't affect me, I'm not sure why I'm pursuing
> this. Kind of foolish, ain't I? :-)

First off all, I want to thank you for it.

And then, I can tell you why:

1. You're a nice person (Good to see that some are still around.).
2. The problem cannot be investigated by someone who encounters it.
You are "our" control group.

Thanks again! :-)

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Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 11:23:03 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote:

>> When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really
>> removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file (*.tbi).
>> When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also need to
>> compress from time and time: remove old entries (messages) from
>> the messge database (*.tbb).

> I have been compressing, which seems to purge.  Today I tried purging,
> which seems to compress.  They appear to be redundant processes.

No, as Karin put it, purge and compress are two different things.
It's just in TB you can't do Purging without compression. The "Purge
all folders" command under the Folder menu does do compression,
which should be renamed to "Purge AND COMPRESS all folders". The one
for a single folder ("Purge and Compress") is clear.

The Compress and Compress All Folders commands, OTOH, don't purge.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 10:29:14 +0800 Thomas wrote:

> This is indeed methodical,

Not really, because I didn't set out to try all functions of TB. I
just did what I usually do. I also said it's not scientific because
I knew it's not real-time monitoring, but infrequent snapshots (1
min. interval may be frequent enough for human activities, but not
for computers).

> and must have created a rather large log file which you had to
> read through after those over two hours. ;-)

Not really, either. TB's temp file follows a certain naming rule
(BAT*.tmp), which is easy to search in an editor.

I stopped the experiment around 7:30 this morning, about 24 hours
after it began. The log is about 2.4 MB, 66 thousand lines, and it
logged a total of 7 BAT temp files. All of them have been deleted
automatically by TB, even though I haven't closed it since
yesterday.

> When you download new mail, I understand these messages will be
> downloaded to the temp dir first, then "imported" (some, including
> myself, have already seen the cycle "importing messages" from TB,
> and the occasional hang at that point), and if the import action
> is successful, the files will be deleted from temp.

I'm not sure exactly how this works. I watched closely at the temp
dir when downloading mail, but even when the number of messages to
download is large, I don't always see temp files created. It's
possible they're deleted too soon for my explorer to refresh its
display. I'll get a real-time monitoring tool to try again.

> This is what you have missed. If there is any doubt about whether
> the "import" was successful, TB will not delete the files in the
> temp dir, giving you a chance to find out whether the error might
> have to do with them.

This seems plausible. Yet then it begs two questions:

1. why are there many leftovers (undeleted temp files) for so many
users? My experience (very rarely has TB left anything in my temp
dir) should be the norm, but it clearly is not given the testimonies
by others on the other thread. It's hard to imagine they're
experiencing so many failed imports, since it's not related to the
outside connection (the message has been downloaded and saved as a
temp file on your HD, but somehow TB fails to import it into TB).

2. why are there  so many 0-byte temp files (for many others, not
me)? As I speculated earlier, it could be due to incomplete
deletion, but why?

Well, since it doesn't affect me, I'm not sure why I'm pursuing
this. Kind of foolish, ain't I? :-)

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Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Dwight A Corrin]

Thursday, April 12, 2001, 3:56:24 PM, you wrote:

> When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really
> removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file
> (*.tbi). When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also
> need to compress from time and time: remove old entries
> (messages) from the messge database (*.tbb).

I have been compressing, which seems to purge.  Today I tried purging,
which seems to compress.  They appear to be redundant processes.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Thomas]

Hi Ming-Li,

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:50:11 -0700GMT (13/04/2001, 00:50 +0800GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:

ML> So I decided to do a little experiment. Nothing scientific or
ML> methodical, just a little observation. I wrote a .bat file that use
ML> DOS dir command to list all files under my temp dir and all its
ML> sub-dir and append the result to a log file. I then schedule it
ML> (with PowerPro, for those who knows it) to run the batch file every
ML> minute.

This is indeed methodical, and must have created a rather large log
file which you had to read through after those over two hours. ;-)

ML> During this period, only ONE temp file from TB is recorded.

When you download new mail, I understand these messages will be
downloaded to the temp dir first, then "imported" (some, including
myself, have already seen the cycle "importing messages" from TB, and
the occasional hang at that point), and if the import action is
successful, the files will be deleted from temp.

This is what you have missed. If there is any doubt about whether the
"import" was successful, TB will not delete the files in the temp dir,
giving you a chance to find out whether the error might have to do
with them.

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Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Karin Spaink]

On 12-04-2001 at 21:55, Dwight A Corrin kindly wrote:
> Thursday, April 12, 2001, 11:50:11 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

>> I even did a little house
>> cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all
>> folders, purging and compressing all folders.

> Showing my ignorance, I would like to ask: What is purging?  It sounds
> destructive and I have been loathe to test to find out.

When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really
removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file
(*.tbi). When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also
need to compress from time and time: remove old entries
(messages) from the messge database (*.tbb).

It will reduce the size of your folders and increse
operations somewhat. Especially the outbox, inbox and thrash
folders will open much quicker after a purge & compress.


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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Dwight A Corrin]

Thursday, April 12, 2001, 11:50:11 AM, you wrote:

> I even did a little house
> cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all
> folders, purging and compressing all folders.

Showing my ignorance, I would like to ask: What is purging?  It sounds
destructive and I have been loathe to test to find out.  I looked at
the FAQ and in the help file to no avail.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 09:50:11 -0700 Ming-Li wrote:

> It created a sub-dir named "bat", and then created the temp file
> (named "32BCC548.doc") under it.

Sorry, I forgot to mentioned: TB did clean up the temp file and the
sub-dir it created when I shut it down.

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TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

Hello All,

>From the discussion on the other thread, I seem to be the only one
who is not seeing TB temp files in my temp dir regularly, which
makes me wonder what I'm missing. :-)

So I decided to do a little experiment. Nothing scientific or
methodical, just a little observation. I wrote a .bat file that use
DOS dir command to list all files under my temp dir and all its
sub-dir and append the result to a log file. I then schedule it
(with PowerPro, for those who knows it) to run the batch file every
minute.

It started on 7:15 am (my time) and I checked my log at 9:36. During
this 2-hour+ period, I did my usual stuff with TB:
reading/writing/sending email, TB would check mail automatically,
and I did several manual checking. I even did a little house
cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all
folders, purging and compressing all folders. I also surfed the web
a little (with IE), did my work (on Word) a little, and read news
with Agent and XNews a little.

BTW, when the experiment began, my Bat had been running for more
about 24 hours since I last shut it down for backup yesterday
morning. In order to see if TB would clean up its temp files and if
it creates them upon startup, I shut down TB around 9:10 and restart
it a few minutes later (in the meantime I do my daily backup, which
usually doesn't require shutting down TB).

During this period, only ONE temp file from TB is recorded. It's a
Word document attachment I received and I let TB launch it (via
Word, of course). What's interesting is TB didn't create the temp
file right under the temp dir. It created a sub-dir named "bat", and
then created the temp file (named "32BCC548.doc") under it.

Other than that, there has been no temp files from TB--at least none
was caught by my per-min. recording!

System configuration: Pentium Pro 200 MHz, 96MB RAM, Win2k Pro SP1

Programs always in the background: a security suite from my
university, PowerPro (a utility), and Powermarks (BTW, thanks for
those who recommended it). No antivirus suite, no ZoneAlarm or the
likes.

And I don't use TB's ticker, if that makes a difference.

I'll keep the experiment going for the day, and I'll report back
tomorrow.

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Re[2]: TB! Temp Files?

[John Rainer]

ACM> I've never had reason to be deleting these files or have never had a
ACM> build up of these files in my temp folder. This failure of TB! related
ACM> temp files being deleted is a very uncommon problem.

Not that I'm particularly bothered, but this happens regularly to me - I
assume as a result of using a mail virus scanner.

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Re: TB! Temp Files?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Allie,

On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:31:25 -0500GMT (08/01/2001, 10:31 +0800GMT),
A . Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM> Uhm, why is this a problem per se? Is it a problem for TB! to store
ACM> temporary files in the windows folder for temporary files? These files
ACM> are normally deleted.

Correct. The temporary directory is for tempoerary files. I wouldn't
want TB to create its own temp dir.

ACM> I've never had reason to be deleting these files or have never had a
ACM> build up of these files in my temp folder. This failure of TB! related
ACM> temp files being deleted is a very uncommon problem.

No; I have this all the time. I think if there is a download failure
and the messages don't get improted, then they will not be deleted. I
think this is by design, and I think it is good.

ACM> The offered solution is not an unreasonable one considering the nature
ACM> and frequency of the 'problem'.

Every now and then, I empty my temp folders, as other applications
leave droppings there, too. And when I want to virus-scan an
attachment before opening it, I save it to the temp folder as well.

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Re: TB! Temp Files?

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NA> Hmmm? I do appreciate the help, but I wonder if that is what
NA> RITLabs would want me to tell prospective TB Users they will have
NA> to do to rid themselves of the problem? ;o)

NA> There *has* to be a remedy of some sorts.

Uhm, why is this a problem per se? Is it a problem for TB! to store
temporary files in the windows folder for temporary files? These files
are normally deleted.

I've never had reason to be deleting these files or have never had a
build up of these files in my temp folder. This failure of TB! related
temp files being deleted is a very uncommon problem.

The offered solution is not an unreasonable one considering the nature
and frequency of the 'problem'.

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Re: TB! Temp Files?

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 5:03:15 AM, Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

AGSAA>> Sometimes (rare in my case) TB! fails to delete them. If you want to
AGSAA>> automatically get rid of these .tmp files you can add the following
AGSAA>> commands to your autoexec.bat:

NA> Hmmm? I do appreciate the help, but I wonder if that is what RITLabs would
NA> want me to tell prospective TB Users they will have to do to rid themselves
NA> of the problem? ;o)

Here comes the next assumption: are you using any antivirus software in
a monitor (background, service) mode? If yes then this application may
prevent TB! from deleting these files properly.

As for me, I don't ever use any AV monitor, I prefer to check possibly
malicious content manually.


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Re: TB! Temp Files?

[Nick Andriash]

On January 7, 2001, at 4:07:14 PM, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) Wrote:

AGSAA> Sometimes (rare in my case) TB! fails to delete them. If you want to
AGSAA> automatically get rid of these .tmp files you can add the following
AGSAA> commands to your autoexec.bat:

Hmmm? I do appreciate the help, but I wonder if that is what RITLabs would
want me to tell prospective TB Users they will have to do to rid themselves
of the problem? ;o)

There *has* to be a remedy of some sorts.


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Re: TB! Temp Files?

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 12:36:36 AM, Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> When I did my routine tidy-up of Temp files in C:\windows\temp I found
>> over 200 files from The Bat! They had names like batwxyz.tmp, where wxyz
>> was a serial number.

NA> I get a lot of those from time to time as well. Can anyone recall what/why
NA> they are created?

These files are created when you're receiving and/or composing messages;
do not try to delete them while TB! is running. Sometimes (rare in my
case) TB! fails to delete them. If you want to automatically get rid of
these .tmp files you can add the following commands to your autoexec.bat:

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Set Temp=C:\TEMP
set Tmp=%Temp%

...

If Not Exist %Temp%\bat*.tmp GoTo Boot2896
ctty NUL:
attrib -R %Temp%\bat*.tmp
del %Temp%\bat*.tmp
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TB! Temp Files?

[Nick Andriash]

The following quote is from someone on the Eudora List that is trying The
Bat:

> When I did my routine tidy-up of Temp files in C:\windows\temp I found
> over 200 files from The Bat! They had names like batwxyz.tmp, where wxyz
> was a serial number.

I get a lot of those from time to time as well. Can anyone recall what/why
they are created?


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