Unicode support?

[Spam]

  Will The Bat! support Unicode support? For example the very common
  UTF-8 codepage? Application that communicate with Unicode do not
  need to know any other code pages (such as ISO-8859-1, big5,
  shift-jis, etc). Unicode support allmost all current languages in
  the world, including Arabic, Japanese and Chinese with its Kanji
  characters.

  Many email applications such as Outlook, Evolution, Thunderbird and
  a lot of webmails support UTF-8.


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Re: Unicode support?

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Spam,

On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

S> Will The Bat! support Unicode support?

I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years,
but promises just left promises.

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Re: Unicode support?

[Spam]

  

> Hello Spam,

> On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

S>> Will The Bat! support Unicode support?

> I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years,
> but promises just left promises.

  Why so? About all OS'es support Unicode. Windows has since NT 4.0. I
  use it virtually everywhere. Is it notepad or the Linux console or
  in my Instant Messaging programs and on all my websites. It work
  perfectly fine and I can mix Japanese, Latin and other languages
  without the need to specify additional code pages/conversion tables.
  As long as programs support Unicode there is no need for users to
  ever bother with code pages again.

  I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise.


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Re: Unicode support?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Thursday, September 30, 2004, 18:11, Edvinas Matiuðaitis wrote:
> I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years,
> but promises just left promises.

That's what I am waiting for, too.

*bumpthetopicuptothetoponthefeaturelist*

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Re: Unicode support?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> Hello Spam,

> On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

S>> Will The Bat! support Unicode support?

> I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years,
> but promises just left promises.

Will be, will be... Willwillwill... We just have to be patient. Which is
a Virtue.

And then, someday at the Saint Never, we'll harvest the fruits of our
ardent hope.

[rest of the stage blacks out, and from the roof a shiny disklike object
attracts attention of the many]

A fossilly old man wearing fluorescent alga appears from the backstage
deep blueness and murmurs: "What is wo/man without a hope..."

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Re: Unicode support?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Please add your voice to the TB's bugtraq wishlist.

Here is the "wish" for Unicode:



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Re: Unicode support?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Spam,

You got a name?

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT),
Spam wrote:

S>   I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise.

IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB*
has been promised for a long time and still isn't there.

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Re: Unicode support?

[Spam]

  

> Hello Spam,

> You got a name?

> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT),
> Spam wrote:

S>>   I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise.

> IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB*
> has been promised for a long time and still isn't there.

  Ah. I understand. Sorry for my mistake.
´

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Re: Unicode support?

[WL]

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:55:41 +0700, Thomas Fernandez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT),
> Spam wrote:
> 
> S>   I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise.
> 
> IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB*
> has been promised for a long time and still isn't there.

So, I send 2 or 3 emails to information request from
TheBat's menu, and I get no response. I publicly ask
about the lack of responses, and then I get something. Go
figure...

About unicode, the response is:

On Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, at 08:47:55 GMT +09:00 (IRKST)
(at the same time
it was 07/09/2004, 02:47:55 my local time), you wrote (at least in part):

W>   Specifically, will there be support for unicode in version 3?


It will be added as soon as possible.

WL
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Re: Unicode support?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 05:23, WL wrote:
> It will be added as soon as possible.

That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;)

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Re: Unicode support?

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Thorvald,

On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 08:53 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

TN> That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;)

Exactly!

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Re: Unicode support?

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Thorvald Neumann

-
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, at 07:53:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:53 PM where
I live) you wrote:

> That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;)

Exactly!


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Re: Unicode support?

[David M. Dickerson]

Hello, Edvinas.
On Thursday, 30 September 2004, you wrote:
EM> I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support.
EM> It was promised for years, but promises just
EM> left promises.
I realize that TBUDL is not a forum for complaining, ;-)
but, in all candor, I share your pessimism about The Bat!
ever supporting Unicode.
In fact, the lack of Unicode support is the main reason
that I still am evaluating The Bat! and cannot "get off
the fence" and decide whether or not to register it, or
to use another, less powerful, e-mail client, such as
Thunderbird, which does offer Unicode support.
I first used The Bat! in March 2000, when I was teaching
an HTML workshop to teachers in Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine. I
had never heard of The Bat! before, but I liked the program,
based upon this brief exposure to it. (In addition, I am
drawn to ANY Windows e-mail client that offers security.)
If I did not have so many friends in Ukraine and Russia, the
issue of Unicode support would be of little importance to me,
but these friends appreciate me using even a little bit of
Russian (particularly, my fiancee, in Odessa), even if my
Russian IS rudimentary and incoherent at times. :-)

I would register The Bat! immediately, if I thought that the
program would actually support Unicode someday, but the few
responses I have received from the developers lead me to be
very pessimistic, indeed.

Cordially,
David
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Re: poor Unicode support

[Roland Burger]

Hi Edvinas,

on Saturday, July 3, 2004 at 12:43 you wrote in message
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
among others:

>>> Even when I try to copy/paste Russian text from one The
>>> Bat! window to another, I get question marks.

C>> And what happens with Baltic characters?

> With Baltic characters everything is correct. Problem occures when
> copy/paste is performed with characters from different charset than system
> default.

Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish characters in the 
addressbooks and in all templates and quick templates!

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Re: poor Unicode support

[Roland Burger]

Hi Andre,

on Saturday, July 3, 2004 at 12:55 you wrote in message
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
among others:

C>> I asked some time ago on this list, whether somebody knows what are
C>> Ritlab's plans for unicode/utf-8, but nobody seems to know...

> Ritlabs said it is planned. That's all we know.

Ritlabs said this a very lon time ago and Ritlabs also had said that in version 2 it 
is included, but it wasn't!!!

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Re: poor Unicode support

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Roland Burger

-
On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 18:21:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:21 AM where I
live) you wrote:


> Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish
> characters in the addressbooks and in all templates and quick
> templates!

If it makes you feel any better, I have the same problem with Chinese
characters. I certainly don't have this problem with Outlook.

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Re: poor Unicode support

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Roland,

On 3 Jul 2004 at 18:22:30 +0200 GMT [18:22 CEST] you wrote:

RB> Ritlabs said this a very lon time ago and Ritlabs also had said
RB> that in version 2 it is included, but it wasn't!!!

The last time Stefan said it was 20 February. But right now imap seems
to have priority.

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Re[2]: Unicode support?

[Ben Allen]

Howdy Mica,

Thursday, September 30, 2004, 6:09:53 PM, Mica wrotened:

S>>> Will The Bat! support Unicode support?

>> I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years,
>> but promises just left promises.

Mica> Will be, will be... Willwillwill... We just have to be patient. Which is
Mica> a Virtue.

Mica> And then, someday at the Saint Never, we'll harvest the fruits of our
Mica> ardent hope.

Mica> [rest of the stage blacks out, and from the roof a shiny disklike object
Mica> attracts attention of the many]

Mica> A fossilly old man wearing fluorescent alga appears from the backstage
Mica> deep blueness and murmurs: "What is wo/man without a hope..."

I am sensing unhappiness from Mica's end




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Re: Unicode support? aka Eying Infinity

[Mica Mijatovic]

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>   I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise.

You just didn't wait enough. Watering your hope by the tears of yours.

Or how the Artist would say:

"There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night
And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight
And silence that speaks so much louder than words,
Of promises broken" -- Pink Floyd, "Momentary Lapse of Reason"

Of promises broken...
Of promises broken...
Of promises broken...

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write Central European characters in templates (was: poor Unicode support)

[Cyrille]

Witaj Roland,

Saturday, July 3, 2004, 6:21:10 PM, you wrote:

> Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish
> characters in the addressbooks and in all templates and quick
> templates!

You can!!! My templates generate Polish text with plenty of beautiful
ł, ż,ś,ą,...etc.

I suppose that the default codepage of your system is 'Western'. This
is why TB displays instead of the Central European characters the
characters which have the in the Western character table the same
position. TB does this in the address book, the templates, and in the
menus (if you switch TB's menu language to Polish), but not in the
message editor if you choose the right charset for the message.

If you switched you system's default codepage to Central European, you
would not have this problem any more. (But other problems (-: ...)

What I do is that I have (and type) Polish text in the templates, and
I accept that it is displayed wrongly (I don't care because I want
templates to work and not to look nice). As soon as these templates
generate text in a message everything displays correctly. Of course, my
Polish templates also set the charset to ISO-8859-2.

This works also for Russian.

But you are right. Everything would be easier, if TB supported unicode
properly.

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poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)

[Cyrille]

Hello Edvinas,

Saturday, July 3, 2004, 8:29:49 AM, you wrote:

> I am 100% sure that this is TheBat! problem. I've tried to paste Russian
> text from TheBat! to IE, Opera adress prompts, Outlook Express, UniRed
> (all these programs supports unicode) -- instead of Cyrillic characters I
> get question marks.
> Even when I try to copy/paste Russian text from one The
> Bat! window to another, I get question marks.

And what happens with Baltic characters?

I asked some time ago on this list, whether somebody knows what are
Ritlab's plans for unicode/utf-8, but nobody seems to know...


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Re: poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Cyrille,

On Saturday, July 3, 2004, at 12:18 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

>> Even when I try to copy/paste Russian text from one The
>> Bat! window to another, I get question marks.

C> And what happens with Baltic characters?

With Baltic characters everything is correct. Problem occures when
copy/paste is performed with characters from different charset than system
default.

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Re: poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Cyrille,

On 3 Jul 2004 at 12:18:22 +0200 GMT [12:18 CEST] you wrote:

C> I asked some time ago on this list, whether somebody knows what are
C> Ritlab's plans for unicode/utf-8, but nobody seems to know...

Ritlabs said it is planned. That's all we know.

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Re: poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Andre,

On Saturday, July 3, 2004, at 12:55 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

AW> Ritlabs said it is planned. That's all we know.

RitLabs said "it's planned" two or three years ago. Version 2.00 was
supposed to support unicode. Now we have 2.11.02 and still no unicode
support.

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