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RE: Urgent ! Are there any window-Eyes users out there ?
Claude, Right now, the overall accessibility of TB has really declined because of the GUI toolkit being used. All I can suggest doing with Window-Eyes to make the message list read better is to assign a trigger delay of about 1 second to your up and down arrows, home, end, and delete key. Make sure that your delay comes before the "speak current line" command when reassigning how Window-Eyes handles these keys. If not, you might end up with that horrid double-speaking of messages when moving through the list. I've also found that a few controls can safely be reclassed, but here, you must be careful. For instance, buttons reclass successfully, as do edit fields. However, checkboxes will not read their current state regardless of what you do. When tabbing through some dialogs after reclassing all of the controls I could locate, I have seen TB crash and burn along with a WE hang up. I can only guess that Window-Eyes is polling a control in a way in which it was never designed. It's by far the most powerful E_mail client out there, but until Ritlabs acknowledges its significant blind user base, we can only speculate until they do something about the Windows controls they use for TB. If you like, I can send you some sets I made last year off list. They aren't stellar, but they may help make TB more usable with WE. Best Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Claude Renaud Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:15 AM To: Ritlabs TBBETA Mailing List Cc: Ritlabs TBDEV Mailing List; Ritlabs TBTECH Mailing List; Ritlabs TBUDL Mailing List Subject: Urgent ! Are there any window-Eyes users out there ? Hi all, I'm very sorry for the cross post but it is very very very important for me ... I'm about to switch of screen reader. I will let Jaws for Window-Eyes. And as I plan, of course, to keep on using The Bat! I would like to know if there were on one of the TB lists, a or several users of this screen reader and how they did to customize tb with it ... are there any set files (the equivalent of Jaws scripts) to use tb more efficiantly ? Big thanks in advance ! -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Urgent ! Are there any window-Eyes users out there ?
Hi all, I'm very sorry for the cross post but it is very very very important for me ... I'm about to switch of screen reader. I will let Jaws for Window-Eyes. And as I plan, of course, to keep on using The Bat! I would like to know if there were on one of the TB lists, a or several users of this screen reader and how they did to customize tb with it ... are there any set files (the equivalent of Jaws scripts) to use tb more efficiantly ? Big thanks in advance ! -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Urgent ! Are there any window-Eyes users out there ?
Hi all, I'm very sorry for the cross post but it is very very very important for me ... I'm about to switch of screen reader. I will let Jaws for Window-Eyes. And as I plan, of course, to keep on using The Bat! I would like to know if there were on one of the TB lists, a or several users of this screen reader and how they did to customize tb with it ... are there any set files (the equivalent of Jaws scripts) to use tb more efficiantly ? Big thanks in advance ! -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Urgent ! Are there any window-Eyes users out there ?
Hi all, I'm very sorry for the cross post but it is very very very important for me ... I'm about to switch of screen reader. I will let Jaws for Window-Eyes. And as I plan, of course, to keep on using The Bat! I would like to know if there were on one of the TB lists, a or several users of this screen reader and how they did to customize tb with it ... are there any set files (the equivalent of Jaws scripts) to use tb more efficiantly ? Big thanks in advance ! -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
