Re: multiuser environment and other questions....
ON Friday, November 8, 2002, 11:24:36 PM, you wrote: MW> Er...I'm a bit confused about your - -- line before your sig, since it MW> obviously doesn't clip anything off (I've snipped the rest of it by MW> hand)... Hi Mark, try this as a signature stripper: %quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%- (Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%- - -BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)"%- "%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3""" I have it setup as a quick template that I use in all my templates. That becomes very effective when you want to tweak it. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= What was that sharp, cracking sound I heard ? asked the Oldest Member. That was the vicar smashing his putter. ==P.G Wodehouse - CHESTER FORGETS HIMSELF == Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiuser environment and other questions....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, @8-Nov-2002, 14:24 -0800 (22:24 UK time) Mark Wieder [MW] in mid:16720025675.20021108142436@;ahsoftware.net said: MDP>> - -- MDP>> Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator MDP>> TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 MW> MW> Er...I'm a bit confused about your - -- line before your sig, MW> since it obviously doesn't clip anything off (I've snipped the MW> rest of it by hand)... That would be PGP's fault. It prefaces every line starting with a '-' with an extra '- '. It's a silly thing, but it's true, and that's why we publish the special quote extract macros on the FAQ site. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9zD5QOeQkq5KdzaARAv9bAJ9R3XNQGe1guo+3N8gezyVLkaY07wCgyawT wq9Sktm82nD5bD6VdvtICbU= =1Tg1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: multiuser environment and other questions....
Marck- Friday, November 8, 2002, 10:29:37 AM, you wrote: MDP> It's subjective. If one machine crashes while updating an index MDP> that's *all* systems mashed. It worries me, that's all. Ah. That's all right, then. While overall system integrity is certainly something that I worry about all the time, I think I've got this one in hand. My client machines have a desktop shortcut that launches the copy that lives on the server, not a local copy - in fact, after the initial installation of TB! to get the registry settings in place, there's no trace of TB! anywhere on the client system except for the desktop icon. All the message base updating (compacting and such) is done by the server. The indices, of course, are changed all the time - every time someone reads a message it's flagged as read, etc. I've never had a bad index file (knock on wood here), but they can be easily tossed and rebuilt. And backups. Did I mention that nothing beats a good backup? MDP> - -- MDP> Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator MDP> TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 Er...I'm a bit confused about your - -- line before your sig, since it obviously doesn't clip anything off (I've snipped the rest of it by hand)... -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiuser environment and other questions....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, @8-Nov-2002, 10:21 -0800 (18:21 UK time) Mark Wieder [MW] in mid:805434965.20021108102125@;ahsoftware.net said: MDP>> This second method is (IMHO) far more stable than literally MDP>> sharing the folders across the network. MW> any reason for saying this or is it just subjective? It's subjective. If one machine crashes while updating an index that's *all* systems mashed. It worries me, that's all. MW> I've never had any TB! problems that I could point to the MW> network configuration. Is there something from your experience MW> that I should be worrying about? No, it's not about stability. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9zAKSOeQkq5KdzaARAtYJAJ95eynTGkbJGuXocekkbQTNgaWwTgCg1fuM z5zezw/MNVuI4U7WxtelevQ= =gSEI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: multiuser environment and other questions....
Marck- Friday, November 8, 2002, 3:52:57 AM, you wrote: MDP> How I have seen this done in the past is for TB to use a shared MDP> network path to a mailbase for a common office-wide account. I have MDP> one customer using the system like this. That's one way of doing it. I use this method on my own network as well as on a couple of client systems. You might experiment with the Options | Network and Administration menu - set the server to be...well...the server, and put the other machines into either of the two client modes. I've got the clients in non-TCP mode and just let the server handle all the hard work. TB! is smart enough to know about the accounts you have set up so that if one office user sends mail to another office user TB! just puts the message into the recipient's inbox rather than having to send it out to the ISP and retrieve it again. MDP> Another is for all clients to have a separate "office@" account and MDP> to configure them all to "Leave messages on server for 'n' days" MDP> where 'n' is a large enough number (say, 7) to ensure that all users MDP> get a copy of the incoming mail before it is deleted. MDP> This second method is (IMHO) far more stable than literally sharing MDP> the folders across the network. Marck- any reason for saying this or is it just subjective? I've never had any TB! problems that I could point to the network configuration. Is there something from your experience that I should be worrying about? CS>> some users in our office work on more than one computer and CS>> would like to have the bat running on each of them at the same CS>> time. each installation should get the latest messages and the CS>> installations should be syncroniced all the time. is there a way CS>> to do this? MDP> Synchronisation is a feature of the TB maintenance centre, but it MDP> isn't automated and again, CC and "leave messages on server" MDP> practices will evade the need to use such methods. If you're (CS) talking about out-of-office computers, then the situation gets *much* stickier. Otherwise not a problem, although I've never used (or needed to) the synchronisation feature. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiuser environment and other questions....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gerard, @8-Nov-2002, 13:59 +0100 (12:59 UK time) Gerard [G] in mid:17919786221.20021108135923@;myrealbox.com said: G> It might help to point out that by putting the CC or BCC to G> office@... in all new and reply templates this process will me G> automatic and would not require the user to remember doing this G> each time. (You did! ). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9y7jtOeQkq5KdzaARAnbHAKCi/ce9omtbVZ28FMo9MN1dlNr3WQCgxjL3 VYqBd3gn38flG0gwWeknIIk= =tXIy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiuser environment and other questions....
ON Friday, November 8, 2002, 12:52:57 PM, you wrote: MDP> This will be the case for the first method but will only work on the MDP> second if there is a working practice of CC or BCC to office@ for MDP> all outgoing messages. Hi Marck, It might help to point out that by putting the CC or BCC to office@... in all new and reply templates this process will me automatic and would not require the user to remember doing this each time. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: You really whacked the hell out of that sucker Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiuser environment and other questions....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi clemens, @8-Nov-2002, 10:20 +0100 (09:20 UK time) clemens schmuck [CS] in mid:19510078843.20021108102031@;geo-byte.at said: CS> i'm currently evaluationg the bat for our office since we are CS> not fully satisfied with our current email client (eudora) i CS> hope that you can help me with my questions: Let's try. ... CS> my questions: CS> 1) cooperate accounts (multiple users reading the same pop account): CS> * each user should be able to download and read its own emails and the CS> emails of the office@... acounts. This is two separate requirements. Obviously, each client can read its own private mail accounts and configuration is straightforward. Less obvious is a configuration that would allow shared access to the office@ account. The other issues below relate directly to that. How I have seen this done in the past is for TB to use a shared network path to a mailbase for a common office-wide account. I have one customer using the system like this. That's one way of doing it. Another is for all clients to have a separate "office@" account and to configure them all to "Leave messages on server for 'n' days" where 'n' is a large enough number (say, 7) to ensure that all users get a copy of the incoming mail before it is deleted. This second method is (IMHO) far more stable than literally sharing the folders across the network. CS> * each user should see the new messages of the office@... acount CS> in his ticker. Both methods above allow for this to happen. CS> * outgoing messages from office@... should be avaliable on all CS> installations This will be the case for the first method but will only work on the second if there is a working practice of CC or BCC to office@ for all outgoing messages. CS> * each user should have access to a cooperate addressbook and CS> have its own private addressbook. TB has innate abilities to access multiple address books, one of which could easily be a network shared resource. There is a caveat here. Because the TB address book is itself not a networked version, seeing updates made from one system on another may require a reload. Another way to implement a shared address book (gotta love this "many ways to skin a cat" approach TB gives you ) is by using an LDAP server on your LAN and making TB use that (which it can). CS> 2) multiple installations of the bat running at the same time CS>reading the same pop account Method 2 (leave messages on server for 'n' days) covers this usage. CS> some users in our office work on more than one computer and CS> would like to have the bat running on each of them at the same CS> time. each installation should get the latest messages and the CS> installations should be syncroniced all the time. is there a way CS> to do this? Synchronisation is a feature of the TB maintenance centre, but it isn't automated and again, CC and "leave messages on server" practices will evade the need to use such methods. CS> 3) pgp 8 pgp8 is on the rise will the bat support this? PGP 7 never released source or SDK. As such, no plug-in was ever released for TB for v7. Whether or not TB will have a plug-in for PGP 8 is dependant on exactly the same criteria. Having said that, numerous v7 (and now v8) users use PGP with TB via the tooltray and hotkey support PGP itself adds. I personally use PGP 6.5.8ckt and (more commonly) GnuPG, both of which are fully supported by TB plug-ins. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9y6WaOeQkq5KdzaARAs9/AJ4jUkaJF5pOBMjEhQzg+db58w6o0QCfYT9M rKBGh9nTxS1vTcO8rRTIBas= =Z68n -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
multiuser environment and other questions....
Hello , i'm currently evaluationg the bat for our office since we are not fully satisfied with our current email client (eudora) i hope that you can help me with my questions: the situation: in our office are several users each with an own email account on our pop server. additionally there are some email accounts that are not directly related to one user i.e. office@... or supprt@... my questions: 1) cooperate accounts (multiple users reading the same pop account): * each user should be able to download and read its own emails and the emails of the office@... acounts. * each user should see the new messages of the office@... acount in his ticker. * outgoing messages from office@... should be avaliable on all installations * each user should have access to a cooperate addressbook and have its own private addressbook. can one configure the bat so that this will be working? 2) multiple installations of the bat running at the same time reading the same pop account some users in our office work on more than one computer and would like to have the bat running on each of them at the same time. each installation should get the latest messages and the installations should be syncroniced all the time. is there a way to do this? 3) pgp 8 pgp8 is on the rise will the bat support this? -- Best regards, clemens mailto:clemens.schmuck@;geo-byte.at Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
