DEAD HORSE (was Re: OT: Re: news lists & Opera)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi dierkhaasis,

On 12 December 2000 at 20:38:46 +0100 (which was 19:38 where I
live) Dierk Haasis wrote and made these points:

>> Can anyone verify that they don't contact the
>> 'registration server' during the install?

DH> Yes, no activity during update on my ISDN, not even tried to connect.

It's  got  to be said. The thread's gone long and deep. It hasn't been
about TB for a long while so let's take it off-list now folks.

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Re: OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello A!

On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 12:00:21 AM you wrote:

z>> Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5?

> Yes I did.

Me  too,  just now: no spyware anywhere. BUT, I am a longtime Opera user
and have just updated my registered 4.02 version.



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Re: OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello ztrader!

On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 2:35:12 AM you wrote:

> Can anyone verify that they don't contact the
> 'registration server' during the install?

Yes, no activity during update on my ISDN, not even tried to connect.

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Re: OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello ztrader & other fellow TB! Users following this thread,

Sunday, December 10, 2000,  you stated:

z>> Opera is now spyware.

To which Allie responded:

ACM>>> It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4
ACM>>> user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top
ACM>>> of my registered version 4.

Then I asked:

DH>> I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x?

Meaning, whether the ads go away on installing version 5 on top
of my registered version 3.6x.

However, you replied

z> My understanding is that this is new with ver 5 only.

You mean the ads. But I meant the behavior (no ads if installed over
a registered Opera 4 - or maybe earlier). However, at this point I
believe that I'd have to pay for an upgrade in order to get rid of
the ads.

In any case, I think I'll wait for the next version (the one that
hopefully corrects the current Opera 5's bugs).

Now - to tie this in w/ TB!: When I double click on an url contained
in a message, Opera opens (if closed) and navigates there (either
way).

DH

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Re[2]: OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[ztrader]

On Monday, December 11, 2000, 3:00:21 PM, A. Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4
ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on
ACM top of my registered version 4.

z>> Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5?

ACM> Yes I did.

Good news. Perhaps they really don't do a full spyware install if you
are already registered. Can anyone verify that they don't contact the
'registration server' during the install?

Thanks,

ztrader

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Re: OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[A . Curtis Martin]

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I thought I'd comment on ztrader's contribution to the list,
sent on Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:18:27 -0800:

ACM>>> It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4
ACM>>> user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top
ACM>>> of my registered version 4.

z> Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5?

Yes I did.

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Re: OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[ztrader]

On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 10:35:56 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote:

ACM>> It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4
ACM>> user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top
ACM>> of my registered version 4.

Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5?

DH> I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x?

My understanding is that this is new with ver 5 only.

ztrader

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Re: news lists

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Karin!

On Monday, December 11, 2000 at 3:29:33 AM you wrote:


>> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and
>> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

> I have no hassle believing that

I have since Opera tried to clear this up ... well, maybe they are lying
... which I can't believe either. I use Opera for some years now and was
never under the suggestion that they toy with their customers.

Another  thing: If you don't like the "adware" just register it for $ 39
- - it's worth it!



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Re[3]: news lists

[Jamie Dainton]

Hello Jan Rifkinson,
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:24:41 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, December 11, 2000, 13:24:41 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time,

Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>In a post time stamped  re: "news lists" you wrote:

Interesting variation on how time works :-)

Karin>> IE5 is one of the worst in this respect. Plus, it has a
Karin>> reputation for bugs.

Have to agree here. Still has the best rendering engine though.

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Re[2]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Karin,

   In a post time stamped  re: "news lists" you wrote:

Karin> IE5 is one of the worst in this respect. Plus, it has a
Karin> reputation for bugs.


   ok, have it your way.

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OT: Re: news lists & Opera

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie & other fellow TB! Users following this OT thread,

Sunday, December 10, 2000,  you stated regarding Opera:

z>> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and

z>> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

ACM> As a registered Opera user:

ACM> I see no references to Cydoor in my registry settings ...

ACM> I also ran 'Ad aware' on my system and it found no Opera related
ACM> spyware. http://www.lavasoft.de/aaw/index.html

ACM> I again have come up with a clean system. I had previously run Optout
ACM> which came up with a clean system.

ACM> It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 user, the
ACM> adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top of my registered
ACM> version 4.

I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x?

Douglas

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Re: news lists

[A . Curtis Martin]

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When I saw ztrader's message about "news lists ",
I felt like making these comments:

JR>>Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with
JR>>Opera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader.

z> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and

z> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

As a registered Opera user:

I see no references to Cydoor in my registry settings as stated on the
Website. Is Opera supposed to install Cydoor on the system?

I also ran 'Ad aware' on my system and it found no Opera related
spyware. http://www.lavasoft.de/aaw/index.html

I again have come up with a clean system. I had previously run Optout
which came up with a clean system.

It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 user, the
adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top of my registered
version 4.


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Re: news lists

[Karin Spaink]

On 11-12-2000 at 03:48, Jan Rifkinson kindly wrote:
> Hello Karin,

[on browsers and spyware]

Karin>> [...] keeping your personal data for you "to ease the filling
Karin>> in of forms" etc. That is the reason that I too am looking for
Karin>> a new browser.

>IEv5.5 does this pretty well I think.

IE5 is one of the worst in this respect. Plus, it has a
reputation for bugs.


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Re[4]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello ztrader,

   In a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote:

ztrader> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware
ztrader> and see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

   Before I ran Opera I set permissions so I had to accept any cookie
   that came down the pike. I refused all of them. Opera is now
   removed from my system 'cause I just didn't like it as a browser --
   just wasn't worth the time/effort & certainly not the money. But
   I'm shocked that its now considered spyware & I thank you for the
   warning. I'll probably run "Opt Out" just for good measure.

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Re[2]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Karin,

   In a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote:

Karin> [...] keeping your personal data for you "to ease the filling
Karin> in of forms" etc. That is the reason that I too am looking for
Karin> a new browser.

   IEv5.5 does this pretty well I think.

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Re: news lists

[Karin Spaink]

On 10-12-2000 at 23:36, ztrader kindly wrote:
> On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:06:09 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>>Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with
JR>>Opera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader.

> Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and
> see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

I have no hassle believing that, but Netscpae 6 is hardly
doing a better job - keeping your personal data for you "to
ease the filling in of forms" etc. That is the reason that I
too am looking for a new browser.


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Re[3]: news lists

[ztrader]

On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:06:09 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with
JR>Opera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader.

Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and

see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm

ztrader

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Re[2]: news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello David,

   In a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote:

David> No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
David> Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.

   Thanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with Opera v5
   as well which seems to have a news reader.

   Also thanks to Beat Strasser, John Phillips & pasifest for
   responding to my question.

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Re[2]: news lists

[David Tod Sigafoos]

Hello Ming-Li,

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 6:43:24 AM, you wrote:

ML> On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 12:57:58 PM, David wrote:

>> No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
>> Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.  Both are
>> free

ML> Netscape version? Haven't tried it for news for a long time, but
ML> don't think it's in the same league of those news specialists
ML> (Agent, Gravity, XNews, etc.). Of course, it's surely a matter of
ML> needs and tastes.

Don't remember mentioning any leagues?  IF the user has NS then it is
a good solution to try.  A place to start.  I find it very useful
(along with FREE agent) for reading threading news.  Don't know what
else it would be used for.  Possibly storing away gigabytes of
messages that will never be seen again.  And not looking it for meail
as it seems I have a fair mail product.

ML> And Agent isn't free. (Free Agent is free, but its power is quite
ML> limited compared to Agent.)

And of course you are right here (as has been pointed out before).  I
would have though that when the user goes to forte they would SEE that
there is a free on and a pay for one.  Glad you pointed this out
though.  Not sure of the limits .. but then I get the info I need ..
save of specific messages and move on.

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Re: news lists

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 12:57:58 PM, David wrote:

> No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
> Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.  Both are
> free

Netscape version? Haven't tried it for news for a long time, but
don't think it's in the same league of those news specialists
(Agent, Gravity, XNews, etc.). Of course, it's surely a matter of
needs and tastes.

And Agent isn't free. (Free Agent is free, but its power is quite
limited compared to Agent.)

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Re: news lists

[pasjfest]

FreeAgent is free, Agent is $29.


On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:57:58 -0800, you wrote:

>JR>I'm not an experienced news forum reader. Can I use TB! to read
>JR>news groups? And can someone tell me where I can find information
>JR>how to set TB! up for a newsgroup? I searched FAQ without much
>JR>success.
>
>Jan,
>
>No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
>Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.  Both are free
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Re: news lists

[David Tod Sigafoos]

JR>I'm not an experienced news forum reader. Can I use TB! to read
JR>news groups? And can someone tell me where I can find information
JR>how to set TB! up for a newsgroup? I searched FAQ without much
JR>success.

Jan,

No TB can't be used as a news reader.  The one that comes with
Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent.  Both are free

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Re: news lists

[John Phillips]

Hello

Sunday, December 10, 2000, 5:53:43 AM, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> Dear BatListers,

>I'm not an experienced news forum reader. Can I use TB! to read
>news groups? And can someone tell me where I can find information
>how to set TB! up for a newsgroup? I searched FAQ without much
>success.

> Thank you.


Not yet AFAIK.  I find Gravity excellent for this, multiple
personalities, good *sorting* of threads, or if you like, try Free
Agent.

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Re: news lists

[Beat Strasser]

Hi Jan

>I'm not an experienced news forum reader. Can I use TB! to read
>news groups? And can someone tell me where I can find information
>how to set TB! up for a newsgroup? I searched FAQ without much
>success.

No,  TB  isn't  neither a news client nor a news server.

So short,
Beat

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news lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

Dear BatListers,

   I'm not an experienced news forum reader. Can I use TB! to read
   news groups? And can someone tell me where I can find information
   how to set TB! up for a newsgroup? I searched FAQ without much
   success.

Thank you.

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