Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Nick Andriash

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On June 13, 2001, at 11:07:27 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

 Whether it should be saved depends on what you mean by saved.  I don't
 think it should be discarded, I think it should be put in the outbox
 ready for deferred delivery.

If you have Auto-Save enabled, then upon reaching the time specified in
your Settings, the message will have been saved. If you have Immediate
specified for Sending, then the message will be sent, but no copy will be
saved. If you have Deferred specified, then it is my understanding that
the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled), but will
not remain as such once the message has been successfully sent off.

 Looking at all this, one question which I now have is what is the
 difference between 'save' and 'save draft'?

I don't believe there is a difference. If there is, I certainly don't see
where. If I construct a message, hitting Save Draft will immediately
close and park the message in the Outbox. Hitting Save allows you to
close/exit the message you are working on, yet a copy remains, parked, in
the Outbox. Both methods result in the same thing... a parked message.


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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Thomas F

Hi Nick,

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:48:38 -0700GMT (14/06/2001, 12:48 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

 I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer
 yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or
 whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

 This doesn't seem right.

NA It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent.

No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon
save draft and not put letter in outbox.

I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary
query.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Dwight!

On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 7:29:39 AM you wrote:

 I just hit the button for this reply, and answered no on the save
 question.  My concern had been that saying not to save would result
 in loss of the message.  When I didn't save, it was in the outbox
 without being marked as a draft, so maybe this behavior is not so
 unreasonable as I thought, although still doesn't seem logical.  I am
 going to post this, then  try penning another reply after turning
 auto-save back off.

 first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save,
 the message was still marked as a draft in the out box.

So, now we are two who have this behaviour. And let me add, just now I
had the same problem with the toolbar button Send deferred. It seems
to come up every second send.

I will now send a bug report directly to RITLabs.



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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Nick!

On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 8:29:59 AM you wrote:

 If you have Deferred specified, then it is my understanding that
 the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled),
 but will not remain as such once the message has been successfully
 sent off.

I just had a look. I have auto-save enabled, sending deferred. When
the question to save pops up (either on pressing the toolbar button or
by Ctrl+Enter) and I answer Yes, the message gets saved as
draft. So it would not be send, but stay.

If I hit No I lose the message completely - that's why I was a bit
strong on words when it happened to me yesterday with an important
mail.

With Cancel nothing happens.

Then the whole thing is not consistent, sometimes it happens,
sometimes not. It looks a bit like annoy the user with every seciond
or third send try.




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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Thomas F

Hi Dierk,

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:19:42 +0200GMT (14/06/2001, 15:19 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH I just had a look. I have auto-save enabled, sending deferred.

I have auto-save disabled, and sending deferred. And when I hit put
letter in outbox it is already clear that I don't mean save draft,
otherwise I would have hit that button.

I don't need this extra query, I'm not a moron.

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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 1:29:59 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 If you have Deferred specified, then it is my understanding that
 the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled),
 but will not remain as such once the message has been successfully
 sent off.

The message is marked as a draft when autosave is active, and so it
will never be successfully dispatched without further intervention.
Now that I have turned off autosave, when I hit the cue this message
button and said don't save it made it to the outbox in a condition
ready to go out.


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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 9:36:35 AM you wrote:

 I don't need this extra query, I'm not a moron.

As you may have seen, that part is the least problematic for me. The
behaviour is superfluous, inconsistent and dangerous. If there is
anything to it (maybe someone likes it), it should be made optional -
and that is ASAP.


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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Serge Skorokhodov

Hello Dierk,

Thursday, June 14, 2001, 10:19:42 AM, you wrote:

skip

Just to put my couple of cents:) I back those who don't like the
new behavior. It's unnatural and things happen in a way opposite
to one most users expect. My opinion is strong and is like
that:)))

  - Nobody bothers of technical drafts miraculously appeared in
  the Outbox during lengthy editing and the prompt to save them
  sounds ridiculously! TheBat!'s just a public carrier and it
  shouldn't ask to many questions:)

  - Put the letter to Outbox button and its equivalent
  corresponds to deferred delivery for build-in MTA. The
  message is queued and is sent when 'Master' explicetely tells
  so:)

  - It's the user's responsibility to resolve any problem if the
  message was placed to the queue by mistake. There're plenty of
  ways for him to achieve this;

  - Send the letter button and its equivalent corresponds for
  immediate delivery and defer if failed.;

  - Save draft means save draft:) and exit editor for 'Me
  gonna do other stuff':). Nothing more.;

  - Save means save draft and continue editing the working copy
  of the message;

  - No draft message can be present in the Outbox after
  successful sending or queuing the message. It's a bug if so:)

  - Autosave mode means that we can find a most recently saved
  draft in Outbox in case of TheBat!/system failure (if no
  immediate/deferred delivery command precedes the failure:).
  Nothing more. Opposite behavior is a bug. Period.

This is my XX.X cents:)

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:49:07 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our
collective wisdom:
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NA It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent.

TF No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon
TF save draft and not put letter in outbox.

TF I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary
TF query.

Which additional query is that?

Auto-save creates a current draft of the message being edited at the
specified time interval. If you have 'immediate delivery' enabled and
choose to send, the message is simply sent and the draft deleted. If you
wish to cancel the message, then a popup appears asking if you wish to
delete the draft as well. This is new and appreciated since I hated having
to go and manually delete the draft.

The problem now seems to be with deferred deliveries. There are two ways
of deferring. You could hit Shift+F2 which works just fine, i.e., the
message is placed in the outbox and drafts removed, no prompts appearing.
However, if you use CTRL+Enter, pop-ups appear asking questions about
saving. Very inappropriate and buggy. This behaviour appeared after the
implemented wish that CTRL+Enter be made to obey the mode of delivery
defined in the account options. In fact, I didn't wish to save the message
but send it, so I said no to both queries and the message was deleted and
*not sent*!!

In TB! *save* and *save as draft* seem pretty synonymous. If I use CTRL+S
(save), the message is saved as a draft. Again confusing.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Nick Andriash

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On June 13, 2001, at 11:49:07 PM -0700, Thomas F wrote:

 This doesn't seem right.

NA It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent.

 No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon
 save draft and not put letter in outbox.

That is not what Dwight did. TB! asked him if he wanted to Save the
Message, and he answered Yes, and the message was therefore put in the
Outbox and saved. What's the problem?

 I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary
 query.

I don't understand what the problem is. If you wanted the message saved,
then it's saved in the Outbox as a Draft... there is no other way a saved
message is stored.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Nick Andriash

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On June 14, 2001, at 3:12:01 AM -0700, A Curtis Martin wrote:

 The problem now seems to be with deferred deliveries. There are two ways
 of deferring. You could hit Shift+F2 which works just fine, i.e., the
 message is placed in the outbox and drafts removed, no prompts
 appearing. However, if you use CTRL+Enter, pop-ups appear asking
 questions about saving.

Not on my install. I have Auto-Save enabled,, and if I choose Deferred
for delivery, construct a message and hit Ctrl/Enter, the message is
immediately placed in the Outbox, ready for delivery. There are no pop-ups
asking me about saving the message.

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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 11:02:52 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the
 icon save draft and not put letter in outbox.

 That is not what Dwight did. TB! asked him if he wanted to Save the
 Message, and he answered Yes, and the message was therefore put in the
 Outbox and saved. What's the problem?

The problem was that I was trying to send, not mark as draft.  And the
problem was that even when said don't save message still was treated
as a draft.

Since there is apparently a fix (I'm about to try to download it again
(I was surprised it didn't get a new name so one could tell them
apart)) this thread is probably soon to be consigned to the pet
cemtery--large animal section.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Nick!

On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 6:12:25 PM you wrote:

 Not on my install. I have Auto-Save enabled,, and if I choose Deferred
 for delivery, construct a message and hit Ctrl/Enter, the message is
 immediately placed in the Outbox, ready for delivery. There are no pop-ups
 asking me about saving the message.

Nick, you are coming in. The problem started with 1.53bis. You are
using SecureBat 1.53.

Now you may begin to see what (has?) troubled Thomas, Dwight, me and
some others. As Dwight said, when I want to send a message (regardless
which way), I want to send it - not save it. And this is not just a
linguistic or philosophic discussion.



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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-14 Thread Nick Andriash

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On June 14, 2001, at 10:05:13 AM -0700, Dierk Haasis wrote:

 Nick, you are coming in. The problem started with 1.53bis. You are using
 SecureBat 1.53.

Yes, I made that mistake initially, but I also tested the feature with TB!
1.53bis. I have deferred sending, and Auto-Save enabled. When I construct
a message, and hit Ctrl/Enter, I am asked if I want the message saved, to
which I answer No, and the message is thus placed in my Outbox, ready
for delivery... and is not saved. If instead of Ctrl/Enter I simply hit
the Put the Letter in Outbox icon, again I'm asked if I want it saved,
to which I again answer No... and the message again is placed in the
Outbox ready for delivery.

I am not experiencing any problems with the feature. When Saved, the
message is indeed saved in the Outbox... properly flagged as such. I
suppose I just don't understand where the problem lies. :o(


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strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin

The last couple of messages I have composed (which corresponds at
least approximately to my moving from 1.53 to 1.53bis and also my
activation of autosave) when I have hit the Put Letter in Outbox
button, instead of that happening I get a dialogue box asking if I
want to save the message. When I answer yes, the message ends up in
the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or whatever one calls the
outbox equivalent).

This doesn't seem right.

(by the way I still don't know what the modified flag is)

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-13 Thread Nick Andriash

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On June 13, 2001, at 9:29:31 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

 I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer
 yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or
 whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

 This doesn't seem right.

It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. The
question I have is why you were asked if you wanted it saved in the first
place if all you did was hit the Put Letter in Outbox button. Do you
have Auto-Save enabled? What about Sending: Immediate or deferred?

 (by the way I still don't know what the modified flag is)

If you begin a new message, look down at the very bottom left hand side...
on the status bar. The second rectangular box from the left will read as
Modified when constructing the message. If you save the message, then
re-open it, the Modified tag disappears, but re-appears if you *modify*
the message.

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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 11:48:38 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I
 answer yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as
 parked (or whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

 This doesn't seem right.

 It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. The
 question I have is why you were asked if you wanted it saved in the first
 place if all you did was hit the Put Letter in Outbox button. Do you
 have Auto-Save enabled? What about Sending: Immediate or deferred?

enabled, deferred

I just hit the button for this reply, and answered no on the save
question.  My concern had been that saying not to save would result
in loss of the message.  When I didn't save, it was in the outbox
without being marked as a draft, so maybe this behavior is not so
unreasonable as I thought, although still doesn't seem logical.  I am
going to post this, then  try penning another reply after turning
auto-save back off.

first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save,
the message was still marked as a draft in the out box.

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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 11:48:38 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:


 I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer
 yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or
 whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

 This doesn't seem right.

 It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. The
 question I have is why you were asked if you wanted it saved in the first
 place if all you did was hit the Put Letter in Outbox button. Do you
 have Auto-Save enabled? What about Sending: Immediate or deferred?

not autosave is off.  I still get the same question.  I'm sure that
never happened to me before.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-13 Thread Nick Andriash

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On June 13, 2001, at 10:29:39 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

 first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save,
 the message was still marked as a draft in the out box.

It should all depend on the time interval between Saves. Sounds like the
time it took you to construct the Reply, the time interval had elapsed, so
TB! saved the message. I agree though that when you specifically say No
to saving the message, the message should not be saved, regardless whether
you have Auto-Save enabled or not.


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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

2001-06-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 12:41:36 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 It should all depend on the time interval between Saves. Sounds like
 the time it took you to construct the Reply, the time interval had
 elapsed, so TB! saved the message. I agree though that when you
 specifically say No to saving the message, the message should not
 be saved, regardless whether you have Auto-Save enabled or not.

Whether it should be saved depends on what you mean by saved.  I don't
think it should be discarded, I think it should be put in the outbox
ready for deferred delivery. Looking at all this, one question which I
now have is what is the difference between 'save' and 'save draft'?

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