Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC

2007-11-12 Thread John Posada
 Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And 
 until any of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty 
 disrespectful to discredit her opinion.

You know what they say about opinions.
 
 Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never 
 listened.

Not according to her own admission.

 complained about the pricing structure and was treated, for 
 the most part, like garbage for daring to raise the issue.
 When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted
 as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it.

Looks like they did heed her message about the pricing structure. She's just 
upset because they didn't put her picture next to the new structure. Are we 
doing this for recognition or the good of the association, the profession, and 
its members?

 My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but 
 is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less 
 so 
 now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about furthering 
 themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned my 

It seems including Paula...didn't two of her own issues have to do with not 
being recognized?

 When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted
 as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it.
and
 out for a variety of reasons...I attended the second 
 convention - again, not a word of appreciation
 for the efforts I'd put in.

 member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if 
 I will. The jury is still out. 

Anyone is entitled to not renew. My issue is when you resign, you are saying 
you want nothing to do with the association. To criticize but not be a part of 
it working toward change leaves all the complaining (which is disruptive) and 
no way to work toward fixing the problem.
__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC

2007-11-12 Thread John Posada
 Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And 
 until any of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty 
 disrespectful to discredit her opinion.

You know what they say about opinions.
 
 Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never 
 listened.

Not according to her own admission.

 complained about the pricing structure and was treated, for 
 the most part, like garbage for daring to raise the issue.
 When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted
 as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it.

Looks like they did heed her message about the pricing structure. She's just 
upset because they didn't put her picture next to the new structure. Are we 
doing this for recognition or the good of the association, the profession, and 
its members?

 My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but 
 is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less 
 so 
 now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about furthering 
 themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned my 

It seems including Paula...didn't two of her own issues have to do with not 
being recognized?

 When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted
 as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it.
and
 out for a variety of reasons...I attended the second 
 convention - again, not a word of appreciation
 for the efforts I'd put in.

 member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if 
 I will. The jury is still out. 

Anyone is entitled to not renew. My issue is when you resign, you are saying 
you want nothing to do with the association. To criticize but not be a part of 
it working toward change leaves all the complaining (which is disruptive) and 
no way to work toward fixing the problem.
__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC

2007-11-12 Thread Dan Goldstein
John, regardless of your disagreement with Paula, I think you should cut
her a little slack. She's been a valuable contributor to various TW
e-mail lists for years.

As far as *my* right to criticize STC, you baffle me. I was a member of
STC for several years; eventually, I quit. Are you saying that I
shouldn't share my experiences with other TWs?

 -Original Message-
 From: John Posada
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:29 AM
 To: Sue Heim
 Cc: TCP List
 Subject: Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
 
 ... Looks like they did heed her message about the 
 pricing structure. She's just upset because they 
 didn't put her picture next to the new structure. 
 Are we doing this for recognition or the good of 
 the association, the profession, and its 
 members?...
 
 ... Anyone is entitled to not renew. My issue is 
 when you resign, you are saying you want nothing 
 to do with the association. To criticize but not 
 be a part of it working toward change leaves all 
 the complaining (which is disruptive) and no way 
 to work toward fixing the problem.

This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the 
addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for 
delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, 
disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any 
action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If 
you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the 
sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter.  Thank you.


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


[TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Harkness, Holly
Sue wrote: She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing
but
is instead about furthering the organization.

I don't think the facts support this statement. (Except that STC is
about furthering technical communication, not technical writing per
se.) 

Look, for example, at the STC's efforts to change the US Labor Bureau's
definition of technical writer to something that actually resembles
what we do today. The current wording describes the technical writers of
a bygone era. This change will benefit everyone in our profession,
whether they are in STC or not. It will even have international
ramifications because technical communicators in other countries can use
the new definition from the US to bolster their efforts to elevate the
profession in their own countries. 

Second, take a look at the publications of the STC. 
Both Intercom and Technical Communication feature articles of interest
to the profession as a whole. 
They are not STC-centric by any means. They focus on our work. 
Of course, they also advertise STC events, competitions, awards, and
elections, but as Society publications they SHOULD do that. 

Third, the Society has always maintained strong ties with academic
departments offering degrees or certificates in technical communication.
There is a continual discussion occurring between practitioners,
instructors, and students about research, program curricula, career
advice, and other topics. 

Fourth, I don't know of any chapter or community that restricts its
presentations or webinars to STC members only. 
Our programs in Atlanta are designed to attract people from our
profession as a whole. Competitions are open to non-members as well.   

Fifth, every year the STC recognizes someone outside of the organization
for his or her contribution to the profession as a whole. The Honorary
Fellow award demonstrates the wide range of people who do what we do but
may not even call themselves technical communicators or technical
writers. This person is invited to give the keynote talk at the STC
conference each year. 

Finally, to the extent that STC does toot its own horn (which of course
it does in addition to everything mentioned above), what's wrong with
that? 
Any organization must promote itself to survive. 
I believe our profession is better off as a result of the existence of
the STC. 
My employers have always been impressed that I am a member and encourage
my activity in the organization. 
Any efforts by the STC to publicize itself can only help the profession.



Holly Harkness
Manager, Technical Communications
Mirant Corporation


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC

2007-11-12 Thread John Posada
 As far as *my* right to criticize STC, you baffle me. I was a member of
 STC for several years; eventually, I quit. Are you saying that I
 shouldn't share my experiences with other TWs?

There's a difference between being constructive and destructive when you do it.
 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
 
They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
So far, so good.

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC

2007-11-12 Thread John Hedtke
At 07:35 AM 11/11/2007, Sue Heim wrote:
Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And until any
of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty disrespectful to
discredit her opinion.

Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never
listened.

STC was very good about not listening in them days.  It's why I 
became a Board member.  They're better about listening now.

My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but
is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less
so now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about
furthering themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned
my membership (specifically, as a direct result of the director-sponsor of
my region). Although I do see some improvement, I don't see where being a
member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if
I will. The jury is still out.

At any rate, my point is... I agree with Paula. Although it's her opinion,
it's actually quite accurate.

I think you've both put a great deal of thought into this and, given 
what you're saying here, I agree that the STC is definitely not the 
organization for you.


Yours truly,

John Hedtke
Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
www.hedtke.com -- website
Region 7 Director, STC
541-685-5000 (office landline)
541-554-2189 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) 


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill Swallow
The STC is indeed trying to change and has been making strides in many
areas to do so (as you point out). I won't argue that point. The
changes may not be to everyone's liking, but you can't please everyone
all of the time. Does the STC engage in some self-serving activities?
You bet, and I would expect/hope they would, as any organization
should. With any organization comes overhead, and it needs to be
managed if not minimized. But sure, some people won't care for some of
the things the STC is doing, and that's fine. Heck, I don't care for
some of the things the STC is doing, but there are other things that I
do like. Same with my kids' schools' PTAs, my fraternity, and
everything else. Focus on the negative and the organization can do no
right, focus on the positive and the organization can do no wrong. But
focus on both and you see that it's just like every other organization
out there, and you can choose to either be in or out. Arguing about
who's right and who's wrong is about as fruitful as arguing about
modern art.

On Nov 12, 2007 10:15 AM, Harkness, Holly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sue wrote: She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing
 but
 is instead about furthering the organization.

 I don't think the facts support this statement. (Except that STC is
 about furthering technical communication, not technical writing per
 se.)

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC

2007-11-12 Thread Sue Heim
Ack! I misspoke... I meant to say many of the leaders within the
organization WERE more about furthering themselves than furthering technical
writing (rather than are). As I said, I think things are changing. Have
they changed enough? I dunno. Is there any benefit for me to belong to this
organzation? I dunno. I can still go to local meetings, I can still attend
conferences (neither of which I choose to do, but I could if I wanted to
without having to be a member).

FWIW, I was very active at a local and regional level. I was trying to
effect change from the bottom up. It was a massive failure, at that time
(three years ago). Maybe it wouldn't be now, but I just don't have the
desire as I once did. Something about once bitten twice shy! :)

...sue



On 11/12/07, John Hedtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 07:35 AM 11/11/2007, Sue Heim wrote:
 Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And until
 any
 of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty disrespectful to
 discredit her opinion.
 
 Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC
 never
 listened.

 STC was very good about not listening in them days.  It's why I
 became a Board member.  They're better about listening now.

 My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing
 but
 is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's
 less
 so now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about
 furthering themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I
 resigned
 my membership (specifically, as a direct result of the director-sponsor
 of
 my region). Although I do see some improvement, I don't see where being a
 member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno
 if
 I will. The jury is still out.
 
 At any rate, my point is... I agree with Paula. Although it's her
 opinion,
 it's actually quite accurate.

 I think you've both put a great deal of thought into this and, given
 what you're saying here, I agree that the STC is definitely not the
 organization for you.


 Yours truly,

 John Hedtke
 Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
 www.hedtke.com -- website
 Region 7 Director, STC
 541-685-5000 (office landline)
 541-554-2189 (cell)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email)


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Chris Borokowski
Any organization is going to have to aggressively further itself. It
should also do more.

In my view, the STC would do better if it were more vigilantly
promoting technical writing and encouraging technical writers to expand
their horizons.

--- Harkness, Holly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sue wrote: She's right... STC is not about furthering technical
 writing
 but
 is instead about furthering the organization.


http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/
technical writing | consulting | development

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread John Posada
 In my view, the STC would do better if it were more vigilantly
 promoting technical writing and encouraging technical writers to expand
 their horizons.

One of my biggest issues with STC is they devote more resources to promoting 
themselves than their members. My position is that they should promote the 
skills of technical writing to the people who use us. As corporations use more 
writers, those writers will turn around and make the Society stronger.
 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
 
They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
So far, so good.

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill Swallow
 Again, we ARE entitled to our own opinions. I would prefer to see someone
 respond who's not in an active leadership role.

Of course you're entitled to your opinions. I have issue with those
who say you do not. As for non-leadership folks, I'd like to hear from
them too.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Gene Kim-Eng
It's been my experience that companies that already use 
technical
writers usually already know why they're spending the money 
for
them.  For those that don't, promotion of technical writing 
skills by
a professional organization for technical writers is likely 
to have
about as much influence as data from the tobacco industry 
that
says cigarettes are not addictive or unhealthy.

STC may be able to serve as a medium for successful writers
to share the approaches they use to market themselves with 
other
writers, but I wouldn't expect it or any other organization 
to hawk
my skills or why prospective employers might need them for 
me.

Does STC really promote itself as an organization to anyone 
but
its own members, current or prospective?  As a manager, I've
never received any promotional material from them that 
didn't
come to me through my own membership

Gene Kim-Eng



- Original Message - 
From: John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 One of my biggest issues with STC is they devote more 
 resources to promoting themselves than their members. My 
 position is that they should promote the skills of 
 technical writing to the people who use us. As 
 corporations use more writers, those writers will turn 
 around and make the Society stronger.


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread David Loveless
Non-leadership folk I guess I count.

I've been a normal, non-leadership member of STC for almost three years, and
the STC has been somewhat fundamental in my formation as a technical writer.
I won't go as far as to say the STC was the most influential, but it did
have a positive influence. As for the publications, most of the articles in
Intercom and Technical Communication don't apply to me, but I always find
something that is useful and my most recent project was heavily influenced
by the information there.

I gladly pay my dues each year (my employer normally does) for a few
reasons:

1--Every employer so far has remarked positively on my association with the
STC. I don't think that membership means I'm automatically a good writer,
but I do think it shows a proactive effort on my part to be involved in the
field and my own progression. As someone who has hired several writers, I
find that to be an attractive quality. Certainly not the most important
quality, but definitely attractive.

2--If my employer is paying for it, what could possibly be bad about having
a membership in the STC?

3--The STC has many resources that I have used to better myself and develop
new ideas and methods. Most recently, I've found the wealth of information
on outsourcing to be invaluable. To state unequivocally that you find no
value in the publications says, in my opinion, that you either don't read
them or that you are perfect in your field. Since I find the last statement
a logical impossibility, my guess is that you don't read them. I agree that
most articles have little relevance to me, but to state that all have no
relevance would be a gross generalization.

Final thoughts--You get from it what you put into it. I always find it
interesting to see people complain about something and not offer an
alternative. What's the use of complaining or nay-saying if you have nothing
better to offer?

Whether late or not, right or wrong, the fact is that the STC is trying to
improve our field today. That's enough for me.

Dave Loveless
normal everyday non-leadership STC member


On 11/12/07, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Again, we ARE entitled to our own opinions. I would prefer to see
 someone
  respond who's not in an active leadership role.

 Of course you're entitled to your opinions. I have issue with those
 who say you do not. As for non-leadership folks, I'd like to hear from
 them too.

 --
 Bill Swallow
 HATT List Owner
 WWP-Users List Owner
 Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
 STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
 http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

 __

 Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
 New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
 technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


 Interactive 3D Documentation
 Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
 ___

 Technical Communication Professionals

 Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info:
 http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
 Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread John Hedtke
At 08:56 AM 11/12/2007, you wrote:
I don't drink the Kool-Aid. Sorry, but I just don't. I do see improvements.
But not a single one of your arguments are enough to want me to re-up. In
fact, most of what you mentioned should have been done years ago, or else
don't apply to me (the publications, for example, didn't really provide much
for me). So the current leadership is finally doing something about what we
do. For some of us, it may be too little too late.

And if it is indeed too little, too late, I'm unhappy about that, 
but, as you say, it's too late for anything we're going to be able to 
do in the next few years to change your mind.  It's a shame but I 
must accept that this is so.

For those who are not completely disgusted--which almost included me, 
btw; it's why I ran for a Board seat a few years ago--I think we're 
already seeing changes in a number of venues that are very 
positive.  The Executive Director is dazzling (my ability to even use 
that word in this context says something) and we're actually able to 
see where our money's going.  And, thanks to the new IMIS software, I 
am probably about to have my long-time dreams of a speakers bureau 
and a newsletter article/writers directory become reality.  Those 
were two of my strong goals for running for office.  There's a tiered 
dues structure in place, a much more intelligent method of 
distributing money to chapters and SIGs, and a completely 
restructured conference.  I'm happy about things and getting happier 
the more of the old horseshit we get shoveled out and cleared away.

Again, we ARE entitled to our own opinions. I would prefer to see someone
respond who's not in an active leadership role.

Damn straight you are!  Someone who's not in an active leadership 
role should stick their oar in here, too.  (This may be a smidgen of 
a challenge on this particular list, since it's somewhat filtered for 
senior people, but there's gotta be someone.)


Yours truly,

John Hedtke
Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
www.hedtke.com -- website
Region 7 Director, STC
541-685-5000 (office landline)
541-554-2189 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) 


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Milan Davidovic
On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to 
 the people who use us.

Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about:

http://stc.org/about/

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Sue Heim
Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the total
number of members (which has significantly decreased)...

...sue



On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing
 to the people who use us.

 Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about:

 http://stc.org/about/

 --
 Milan Davidovic
 http://altmilan.blogspot.com
 http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

 __

 Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
 New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
 technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


 Interactive 3D Documentation
 Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
 ___

 Technical Communication Professionals

 Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info:
 http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
 Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Chris Borokowski
Enhance the professionalism of the members and the status of the
profession 

It's that latter part we all (as TWs/TCs) need to be better about. We
enhance status through marketing, and delivering better results,
including expanding our repertoire of tricks so we don't become
obsolete.

--- Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about:
 
 http://stc.org/about/


http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/
technical writing | consulting | development

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Will Sansbury
Sue Heim wrote:
 I don't drink the Kool-Aid. Sorry, but I just don't. I do see 
 improvements.
 But not a single one of your arguments are enough to want 
 me to re-up. In fact, most of what you mentioned should have 
 been done years ago, or else don't apply to me (the 
 publications, for example, didn't really provide much for 
 me). So the current leadership is finally doing something 
 about what we do. For some of us, it may be too little too late.

If it's too little, too late, what is motivating you?

I assumed that your motivation lies in warning unsuspecting young tech
writers from being snared by a flawed organization... but then you've
clearly stated that STC was flawed, owned up to those flaws, and has
actively addressed (or is addressing) those flaws.  

To me, that's EXACTLY the type of organization that I want to support.
Organizations that lack that level of self-awareness seem to inevitably
devolve into giant echo chambers for mutual admiration societies or--far
worse--groups of doomsday conspiracy theorists who love to gaze at their
navels while wailing about how no one respects them because they can't pay
for the privilege of printing a lofty acronym behind their names.

If you believe STC has grown and changed from what original caused you to
cancel your membership, yet the organization still holds no value for you,
what is motivating you to continue to denounce it?

If you feel so strongly that the cause of the technical writer is not being
championed effectively by STC, what alternative organization do you support?

Will Sansbury


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill Swallow
Or more simply:
* walking the talk
* eating our own dog food
* being the ball

On Nov 12, 2007 1:21 PM, Chris Borokowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Enhance the professionalism of the members and the status of the
 profession 

 It's that latter part we all (as TWs/TCs) need to be better about. We
 enhance status through marketing, and delivering better results,
 including expanding our repertoire of tricks so we don't become
 obsolete.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread John Hedtke
I always liked that expression, Be the ball.  I've only run into it 
in Caddyshack.

nuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuh!

John

At 11:22 AM 11/12/2007, Bill Swallow wrote:
Or more simply:
* walking the talk
* eating our own dog food
* being the ball


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Jones, Donna
Sue and Bill asked to hear from a non-leadership person, so I decided to
bite. I've been a member on and off for a number of years, but I have
never run for an office or gotten too heavily involved in how STC runs.
The years that I wasn't a member, it was a matter of not having an
employer who would pay for it and not having the funds to do it myself
that year. Had eating and having a place to live not been so high on my
priority list, I would have been a member those years as well.  :-)


What do I get out of STC, and is it worth the money paid in membership
dues? 

I like to enter some of my work in the STC competitions for the feedback
that I get. My work has improved tremendously because of the input that
I've received over the years. I've even won a few awards, which made me
feel pretty good and got my engineering coworkers to take notice of
manuals that they had traditionally ignored. After they got over the
initial surprise that there was a professional organization for
technical writers, they realized that we are PROFESSIONALS and started
treating us as if we were just a different type of engineer. If that's
all I got out of STC, I'd still consider it a good thing.

I also have the people in the STC Chicago chapter. I enjoy being in the
company of pretty much everyone who I have met, and I feel that I can
turn to quite a few people in a time of need. Most of those people have
worked for the same companies that I have or have been in similar
situations as technical communicators, so they can relate to me and what
I've been through. That's a pretty good deal. I had not met most of
these people before I joined STC, and I probably never would have met
them had I not joined.

And I even have online relationships at a high level with several people
who are officers at the national level. If I had a technical
communication problem that had national or international implications,
they would be some of the people who I would turn to first. I also
appreciate the efforts that they make on behalf of our profession. Most
people in the blue-collar world know now that we are more than glorified
typists, and STC had a hand in changing that perception. I would reap
the benefits of this even if I weren't a member, but I'm happy to
contribute to it. And I have used the STC salary survey on more than one
occasion. That alone is worth the cost of my membership.

Regarding the publications, I read them when I have time. Some of it
applies to me and some doesn't. But that's pretty much the same with any
other publication that I receive. I read what interests me, and I skip
what doesn't. Overall, I think the publications are pretty good and
worth whatever the added charge is for them. I pay more for other
publications that don't contain half the information.


Those things, added together, make STC worth the membership fee to me.
Whether or not some people have their interests above mine doesn't
matter to me. I don't expect everyone to be looking out for me. STC is
about furthering the cause of technical communication, not about
pleasing Donna Jones, Technical Writer.

STC, like most other things in life, is what you make of it. You can get
a lot out of it if you want to, or you can get nothing out of it if you
choose to. If things aren't as you like them and you can't change them,
deal with it. Life isn't about everything adapting to you. It's about
you adapting to what's around you. Even if you're not completely
satisfied with the organization, ask yourself if there's anything you
can do to help others like you within the existing structure. There's a
lot of internal happiness to be found if you take the focus off of
yourself.

For some people who post here, I visualize them with a perpetual scowl
as they're typing and even an occasional snarl or sneer. These people
don't have many good things to say about anything, and they have a lot
of complaints about nearly everything. From what they post, it appears
that very little pleases them. My guess is that they own at least one
item with It's all about ME or something similar written on it. I
usually laugh at their scathing posts and then pity them for their
miserable outlook. It must be terrible to be so unhappy that you can't
say anything good.

I think someone said something to this effect earlier, but it bears
repeating. Look for the positive, and you'll find something positive.
Look for the negative, and you'll find something negative. Which way is
your time better spent?

Donna
 
- CONFIDENTIAL-
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be 
legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, 
use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, 
please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, 

Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Gene Kim-Eng
Unfortunately (at least from my point of view) this was what 
STC's
greatest value was: forums within the profession for the 
exchange
of ideas, techniques and experiences.  That and providing
employers with a place to post positions and search resumes
where they can reach the largest possible number of 
prospective
candidates who have self-screened themselves from the 
general
Monster, Dice or HotJobs applicant populations simply by 
joining
the organization and using the jobs and resume database.

In my opinion, STC's more recent efforts, such as attempting 
to
create broad definitions of the profession to educate 
outsiders,
aligning job descriptions and salary survey numbers to those 
of
outside organizations and/or government agencies that have
never understood what people in our profession do (I'm a 
writing
manager who hires tech writers and I give no credence
whatsoever to job descriptions and salary data from the US
DOL compared to the info that formerly came directly from
STC members), and yes, raising the dues, tend to decrease
the value of the organization to me, both as a working 
writer
and as a hiring manager, because they tend to reduce the
number of working writers who read the jobs database, show
up at the various social and other face-time gatherings and
share their own professional and personal experiences with
others.

For now, the things that STC hasn't messed with (jobs and
resume database, local chapter meetings and SIGs) are still
working well enough to justify the expense of my continued
membership.  What happens down the line is another matter.

Gene Kim-Eng


- Original Message - 
From: Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The very first bit changed earlier this year. It used to 
 say:

 Mission: Creating and supporting a forum for communities 
 of practice
 in the profession of technical communication.


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


[TCP] WinHelp

2007-11-12 Thread Dan Goldstein
No, no, I'm pro-WH. Paula's anti.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dana Worley
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM
 To: tcp@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
 
  On Monday, November 12, 2007, Dan Goldstein wrote: 
  
  P.S.: Paula, you're still wrong about WinHelp. :-)
  
 
 That's the last straw. Anybody start dissing WinHelp 
 and some heads are gonna roll.
 

This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the 
addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for 
delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, 
disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any 
action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If 
you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the 
sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter.  Thank you.


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Suzette Leeming
So, is the 14,000 current, and if so, what did the number used to be
(approximately)?

Suzette Leeming


On 11/12/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the total
 number of members (which has significantly decreased)...

 ...sue



 On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   My position is that they should promote the skills of technical
 writing
  to the people who use us.
 
  Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about:
 
  http://stc.org/about/
 
 




-- 
 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

 Need affordable web hosting? I recommend 1  1 - that's where I'm hosted!
 http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=6815038
__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] WinHelp

2007-11-12 Thread Mike Starr
Count me on the pro-WinHelp side.

Mike
--
Mike StarrWriteStarr Information Services
Technical Writer   -   Online Help Developer   -Website developer
Graphic Designer-Desktop Publisher   -   MS Office Expert
Phone: (262) 694-1028 - Tollfree: (877) 892-1028 - Fax:(262) 697-6334
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -  Web: http://www.writestarr.com

- Original Message -
From: Dan Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: tcp@techcommpros.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: [TCP] WinHelp

 No, no, I'm pro-WH. Paula's anti.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dana Worley
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM
 To: tcp@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

  On Monday, November 12, 2007, Dan Goldstein wrote:
 
  P.S.: Paula, you're still wrong about WinHelp. :-)
 

 That's the last straw. Anybody start dissing WinHelp
 and some heads are gonna roll.


 This message contains confidential information intended only for the use 
 of the addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person 
 responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified 
 that reading, disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or 
 the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message is 
 strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message by mistake, please 
 notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message 
 immediately thereafter.  Thank you.


 __

 Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
 New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
 technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


 Interactive 3D Documentation
 Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
 ___

 Technical Communication Professionals

 Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
 http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
 Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com 


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Sue Heim
I seem to recall something close to 25,000



On 11/12/07, Suzette Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, is the 14,000 current, and if so, what did the number used to be
 (approximately)?

 Suzette Leeming


 On 11/12/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the
  total
  number of members (which has significantly decreased)...
 
  ...sue
 
 
 
  On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On 11/12/07, John Posada  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My position is that they should promote the skills of technical
  writing
   to the people who use us.
  
   Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about:
  
   http://stc.org/about/
  
  




 --
  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
 
  Need affordable web hosting? I recommend 1  1 - that's where I'm
  hosted!
  http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=6815038


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Harkness, Holly
Yes, membership has plummeted since the dotcom bust. 
(Not sure if it ever got at high as 25,000, but it was over 20,000 for
sure.)

But the number of tech comm jobs has also plummeted, which accounts for
much of the decrease. 


Holly Harkness
Proud to be an active STC leader 
(former chapter president and assistant SIG manager)

;)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sue Heim
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:03 PM
To: Suzette Leeming
Cc: TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

I seem to recall something close to 25,000



On 11/12/07, Suzette Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, is the 14,000 current, and if so, what did the number used to be
 (approximately)?

 Suzette Leeming


 On 11/12/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the
  total
  number of members (which has significantly decreased)...
 
  ...sue
 
 
 
  On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On 11/12/07, John Posada  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My position is that they should promote the skills of technical
  writing
   to the people who use us.
  
   Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is
about:
  
   http://stc.org/about/
  
  




 --
  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
 
  Need affordable web hosting? I recommend 1  1 - that's where I'm
  hosted!
  http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=6815038


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info:
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com

__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com


Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?

2007-11-12 Thread Dan Goldstein
Has the post-dotcom plummet in tech writing jobs been quantified? I
imagine Uncle Sam might keep that kind of data somewhere...

 -Original Message-
 From: Harkness, Holly
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:24 PM
 To: TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
 
 Yes, membership has plummeted since the dotcom bust. 
 (Not sure if it ever got as high as 25,000, but it 
 was over 20,000 for sure.)
 
 But the number of tech comm jobs has also 
 plummeted, which accounts for much of the decrease. 
 

This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the 
addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for 
delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, 
disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any 
action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If 
you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the 
sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter.  Thank you.


__

Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help.
New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help
technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp.


Interactive 3D Documentation
Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com
___

Technical Communication Professionals

Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: 
http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com
Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com