Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And until any of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty disrespectful to discredit her opinion. You know what they say about opinions. Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never listened. Not according to her own admission. complained about the pricing structure and was treated, for the most part, like garbage for daring to raise the issue. When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it. Looks like they did heed her message about the pricing structure. She's just upset because they didn't put her picture next to the new structure. Are we doing this for recognition or the good of the association, the profession, and its members? My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less so now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about furthering themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned my It seems including Paula...didn't two of her own issues have to do with not being recognized? When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it. and out for a variety of reasons...I attended the second convention - again, not a word of appreciation for the efforts I'd put in. member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if I will. The jury is still out. Anyone is entitled to not renew. My issue is when you resign, you are saying you want nothing to do with the association. To criticize but not be a part of it working toward change leaves all the complaining (which is disruptive) and no way to work toward fixing the problem. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And until any of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty disrespectful to discredit her opinion. You know what they say about opinions. Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never listened. Not according to her own admission. complained about the pricing structure and was treated, for the most part, like garbage for daring to raise the issue. When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it. Looks like they did heed her message about the pricing structure. She's just upset because they didn't put her picture next to the new structure. Are we doing this for recognition or the good of the association, the profession, and its members? My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less so now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about furthering themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned my It seems including Paula...didn't two of her own issues have to do with not being recognized? When it was finally corrected, the local Admin Council acted as if they alone had thought of the problem and solved it. and out for a variety of reasons...I attended the second convention - again, not a word of appreciation for the efforts I'd put in. member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if I will. The jury is still out. Anyone is entitled to not renew. My issue is when you resign, you are saying you want nothing to do with the association. To criticize but not be a part of it working toward change leaves all the complaining (which is disruptive) and no way to work toward fixing the problem. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
John, regardless of your disagreement with Paula, I think you should cut her a little slack. She's been a valuable contributor to various TW e-mail lists for years. As far as *my* right to criticize STC, you baffle me. I was a member of STC for several years; eventually, I quit. Are you saying that I shouldn't share my experiences with other TWs? -Original Message- From: John Posada Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:29 AM To: Sue Heim Cc: TCP List Subject: Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC ... Looks like they did heed her message about the pricing structure. She's just upset because they didn't put her picture next to the new structure. Are we doing this for recognition or the good of the association, the profession, and its members?... ... Anyone is entitled to not renew. My issue is when you resign, you are saying you want nothing to do with the association. To criticize but not be a part of it working toward change leaves all the complaining (which is disruptive) and no way to work toward fixing the problem. This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter. Thank you. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
[TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Sue wrote: She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. I don't think the facts support this statement. (Except that STC is about furthering technical communication, not technical writing per se.) Look, for example, at the STC's efforts to change the US Labor Bureau's definition of technical writer to something that actually resembles what we do today. The current wording describes the technical writers of a bygone era. This change will benefit everyone in our profession, whether they are in STC or not. It will even have international ramifications because technical communicators in other countries can use the new definition from the US to bolster their efforts to elevate the profession in their own countries. Second, take a look at the publications of the STC. Both Intercom and Technical Communication feature articles of interest to the profession as a whole. They are not STC-centric by any means. They focus on our work. Of course, they also advertise STC events, competitions, awards, and elections, but as Society publications they SHOULD do that. Third, the Society has always maintained strong ties with academic departments offering degrees or certificates in technical communication. There is a continual discussion occurring between practitioners, instructors, and students about research, program curricula, career advice, and other topics. Fourth, I don't know of any chapter or community that restricts its presentations or webinars to STC members only. Our programs in Atlanta are designed to attract people from our profession as a whole. Competitions are open to non-members as well. Fifth, every year the STC recognizes someone outside of the organization for his or her contribution to the profession as a whole. The Honorary Fellow award demonstrates the wide range of people who do what we do but may not even call themselves technical communicators or technical writers. This person is invited to give the keynote talk at the STC conference each year. Finally, to the extent that STC does toot its own horn (which of course it does in addition to everything mentioned above), what's wrong with that? Any organization must promote itself to survive. I believe our profession is better off as a result of the existence of the STC. My employers have always been impressed that I am a member and encourage my activity in the organization. Any efforts by the STC to publicize itself can only help the profession. Holly Harkness Manager, Technical Communications Mirant Corporation __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
As far as *my* right to criticize STC, you baffle me. I was a member of STC for several years; eventually, I quit. Are you saying that I shouldn't share my experiences with other TWs? There's a difference between being constructive and destructive when you do it. John Posada Senior Technical Writer They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
At 07:35 AM 11/11/2007, Sue Heim wrote: Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And until any of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty disrespectful to discredit her opinion. Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never listened. STC was very good about not listening in them days. It's why I became a Board member. They're better about listening now. My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less so now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about furthering themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned my membership (specifically, as a direct result of the director-sponsor of my region). Although I do see some improvement, I don't see where being a member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if I will. The jury is still out. At any rate, my point is... I agree with Paula. Although it's her opinion, it's actually quite accurate. I think you've both put a great deal of thought into this and, given what you're saying here, I agree that the STC is definitely not the organization for you. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com -- website Region 7 Director, STC 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
The STC is indeed trying to change and has been making strides in many areas to do so (as you point out). I won't argue that point. The changes may not be to everyone's liking, but you can't please everyone all of the time. Does the STC engage in some self-serving activities? You bet, and I would expect/hope they would, as any organization should. With any organization comes overhead, and it needs to be managed if not minimized. But sure, some people won't care for some of the things the STC is doing, and that's fine. Heck, I don't care for some of the things the STC is doing, but there are other things that I do like. Same with my kids' schools' PTAs, my fraternity, and everything else. Focus on the negative and the organization can do no right, focus on the positive and the organization can do no wrong. But focus on both and you see that it's just like every other organization out there, and you can choose to either be in or out. Arguing about who's right and who's wrong is about as fruitful as arguing about modern art. On Nov 12, 2007 10:15 AM, Harkness, Holly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sue wrote: She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. I don't think the facts support this statement. (Except that STC is about furthering technical communication, not technical writing per se.) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] OT Vent re: STC
Ack! I misspoke... I meant to say many of the leaders within the organization WERE more about furthering themselves than furthering technical writing (rather than are). As I said, I think things are changing. Have they changed enough? I dunno. Is there any benefit for me to belong to this organzation? I dunno. I can still go to local meetings, I can still attend conferences (neither of which I choose to do, but I could if I wanted to without having to be a member). FWIW, I was very active at a local and regional level. I was trying to effect change from the bottom up. It was a massive failure, at that time (three years ago). Maybe it wouldn't be now, but I just don't have the desire as I once did. Something about once bitten twice shy! :) ...sue On 11/12/07, John Hedtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:35 AM 11/11/2007, Sue Heim wrote: Last I heard, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And until any of us have walked in Paula's shoes, I think it's plenty disrespectful to discredit her opinion. Paula was very active in STC, and very vocal about her issues. But STC never listened. STC was very good about not listening in them days. It's why I became a Board member. They're better about listening now. My opinion? She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. And although I think it's less so now, many of the leaders within the organization are more about furthering themselves than furthering technical writing. It's why I resigned my membership (specifically, as a direct result of the director-sponsor of my region). Although I do see some improvement, I don't see where being a member benefits me, as a longtime writer. So I've yet to re-up, and dunno if I will. The jury is still out. At any rate, my point is... I agree with Paula. Although it's her opinion, it's actually quite accurate. I think you've both put a great deal of thought into this and, given what you're saying here, I agree that the STC is definitely not the organization for you. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com -- website Region 7 Director, STC 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Any organization is going to have to aggressively further itself. It should also do more. In my view, the STC would do better if it were more vigilantly promoting technical writing and encouraging technical writers to expand their horizons. --- Harkness, Holly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sue wrote: She's right... STC is not about furthering technical writing but is instead about furthering the organization. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
In my view, the STC would do better if it were more vigilantly promoting technical writing and encouraging technical writers to expand their horizons. One of my biggest issues with STC is they devote more resources to promoting themselves than their members. My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. As corporations use more writers, those writers will turn around and make the Society stronger. John Posada Senior Technical Writer They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Again, we ARE entitled to our own opinions. I would prefer to see someone respond who's not in an active leadership role. Of course you're entitled to your opinions. I have issue with those who say you do not. As for non-leadership folks, I'd like to hear from them too. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
It's been my experience that companies that already use technical writers usually already know why they're spending the money for them. For those that don't, promotion of technical writing skills by a professional organization for technical writers is likely to have about as much influence as data from the tobacco industry that says cigarettes are not addictive or unhealthy. STC may be able to serve as a medium for successful writers to share the approaches they use to market themselves with other writers, but I wouldn't expect it or any other organization to hawk my skills or why prospective employers might need them for me. Does STC really promote itself as an organization to anyone but its own members, current or prospective? As a manager, I've never received any promotional material from them that didn't come to me through my own membership Gene Kim-Eng - Original Message - From: John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of my biggest issues with STC is they devote more resources to promoting themselves than their members. My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. As corporations use more writers, those writers will turn around and make the Society stronger. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Non-leadership folk I guess I count. I've been a normal, non-leadership member of STC for almost three years, and the STC has been somewhat fundamental in my formation as a technical writer. I won't go as far as to say the STC was the most influential, but it did have a positive influence. As for the publications, most of the articles in Intercom and Technical Communication don't apply to me, but I always find something that is useful and my most recent project was heavily influenced by the information there. I gladly pay my dues each year (my employer normally does) for a few reasons: 1--Every employer so far has remarked positively on my association with the STC. I don't think that membership means I'm automatically a good writer, but I do think it shows a proactive effort on my part to be involved in the field and my own progression. As someone who has hired several writers, I find that to be an attractive quality. Certainly not the most important quality, but definitely attractive. 2--If my employer is paying for it, what could possibly be bad about having a membership in the STC? 3--The STC has many resources that I have used to better myself and develop new ideas and methods. Most recently, I've found the wealth of information on outsourcing to be invaluable. To state unequivocally that you find no value in the publications says, in my opinion, that you either don't read them or that you are perfect in your field. Since I find the last statement a logical impossibility, my guess is that you don't read them. I agree that most articles have little relevance to me, but to state that all have no relevance would be a gross generalization. Final thoughts--You get from it what you put into it. I always find it interesting to see people complain about something and not offer an alternative. What's the use of complaining or nay-saying if you have nothing better to offer? Whether late or not, right or wrong, the fact is that the STC is trying to improve our field today. That's enough for me. Dave Loveless normal everyday non-leadership STC member On 11/12/07, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, we ARE entitled to our own opinions. I would prefer to see someone respond who's not in an active leadership role. Of course you're entitled to your opinions. I have issue with those who say you do not. As for non-leadership folks, I'd like to hear from them too. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
At 08:56 AM 11/12/2007, you wrote: I don't drink the Kool-Aid. Sorry, but I just don't. I do see improvements. But not a single one of your arguments are enough to want me to re-up. In fact, most of what you mentioned should have been done years ago, or else don't apply to me (the publications, for example, didn't really provide much for me). So the current leadership is finally doing something about what we do. For some of us, it may be too little too late. And if it is indeed too little, too late, I'm unhappy about that, but, as you say, it's too late for anything we're going to be able to do in the next few years to change your mind. It's a shame but I must accept that this is so. For those who are not completely disgusted--which almost included me, btw; it's why I ran for a Board seat a few years ago--I think we're already seeing changes in a number of venues that are very positive. The Executive Director is dazzling (my ability to even use that word in this context says something) and we're actually able to see where our money's going. And, thanks to the new IMIS software, I am probably about to have my long-time dreams of a speakers bureau and a newsletter article/writers directory become reality. Those were two of my strong goals for running for office. There's a tiered dues structure in place, a much more intelligent method of distributing money to chapters and SIGs, and a completely restructured conference. I'm happy about things and getting happier the more of the old horseshit we get shoveled out and cleared away. Again, we ARE entitled to our own opinions. I would prefer to see someone respond who's not in an active leadership role. Damn straight you are! Someone who's not in an active leadership role should stick their oar in here, too. (This may be a smidgen of a challenge on this particular list, since it's somewhat filtered for senior people, but there's gotta be someone.) Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com -- website Region 7 Director, STC 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about: http://stc.org/about/ -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the total number of members (which has significantly decreased)... ...sue On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about: http://stc.org/about/ -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Enhance the professionalism of the members and the status of the profession It's that latter part we all (as TWs/TCs) need to be better about. We enhance status through marketing, and delivering better results, including expanding our repertoire of tricks so we don't become obsolete. --- Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about: http://stc.org/about/ http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Sue Heim wrote: I don't drink the Kool-Aid. Sorry, but I just don't. I do see improvements. But not a single one of your arguments are enough to want me to re-up. In fact, most of what you mentioned should have been done years ago, or else don't apply to me (the publications, for example, didn't really provide much for me). So the current leadership is finally doing something about what we do. For some of us, it may be too little too late. If it's too little, too late, what is motivating you? I assumed that your motivation lies in warning unsuspecting young tech writers from being snared by a flawed organization... but then you've clearly stated that STC was flawed, owned up to those flaws, and has actively addressed (or is addressing) those flaws. To me, that's EXACTLY the type of organization that I want to support. Organizations that lack that level of self-awareness seem to inevitably devolve into giant echo chambers for mutual admiration societies or--far worse--groups of doomsday conspiracy theorists who love to gaze at their navels while wailing about how no one respects them because they can't pay for the privilege of printing a lofty acronym behind their names. If you believe STC has grown and changed from what original caused you to cancel your membership, yet the organization still holds no value for you, what is motivating you to continue to denounce it? If you feel so strongly that the cause of the technical writer is not being championed effectively by STC, what alternative organization do you support? Will Sansbury __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Or more simply: * walking the talk * eating our own dog food * being the ball On Nov 12, 2007 1:21 PM, Chris Borokowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enhance the professionalism of the members and the status of the profession It's that latter part we all (as TWs/TCs) need to be better about. We enhance status through marketing, and delivering better results, including expanding our repertoire of tricks so we don't become obsolete. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
I always liked that expression, Be the ball. I've only run into it in Caddyshack. nuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuh! John At 11:22 AM 11/12/2007, Bill Swallow wrote: Or more simply: * walking the talk * eating our own dog food * being the ball __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Sue and Bill asked to hear from a non-leadership person, so I decided to bite. I've been a member on and off for a number of years, but I have never run for an office or gotten too heavily involved in how STC runs. The years that I wasn't a member, it was a matter of not having an employer who would pay for it and not having the funds to do it myself that year. Had eating and having a place to live not been so high on my priority list, I would have been a member those years as well. :-) What do I get out of STC, and is it worth the money paid in membership dues? I like to enter some of my work in the STC competitions for the feedback that I get. My work has improved tremendously because of the input that I've received over the years. I've even won a few awards, which made me feel pretty good and got my engineering coworkers to take notice of manuals that they had traditionally ignored. After they got over the initial surprise that there was a professional organization for technical writers, they realized that we are PROFESSIONALS and started treating us as if we were just a different type of engineer. If that's all I got out of STC, I'd still consider it a good thing. I also have the people in the STC Chicago chapter. I enjoy being in the company of pretty much everyone who I have met, and I feel that I can turn to quite a few people in a time of need. Most of those people have worked for the same companies that I have or have been in similar situations as technical communicators, so they can relate to me and what I've been through. That's a pretty good deal. I had not met most of these people before I joined STC, and I probably never would have met them had I not joined. And I even have online relationships at a high level with several people who are officers at the national level. If I had a technical communication problem that had national or international implications, they would be some of the people who I would turn to first. I also appreciate the efforts that they make on behalf of our profession. Most people in the blue-collar world know now that we are more than glorified typists, and STC had a hand in changing that perception. I would reap the benefits of this even if I weren't a member, but I'm happy to contribute to it. And I have used the STC salary survey on more than one occasion. That alone is worth the cost of my membership. Regarding the publications, I read them when I have time. Some of it applies to me and some doesn't. But that's pretty much the same with any other publication that I receive. I read what interests me, and I skip what doesn't. Overall, I think the publications are pretty good and worth whatever the added charge is for them. I pay more for other publications that don't contain half the information. Those things, added together, make STC worth the membership fee to me. Whether or not some people have their interests above mine doesn't matter to me. I don't expect everyone to be looking out for me. STC is about furthering the cause of technical communication, not about pleasing Donna Jones, Technical Writer. STC, like most other things in life, is what you make of it. You can get a lot out of it if you want to, or you can get nothing out of it if you choose to. If things aren't as you like them and you can't change them, deal with it. Life isn't about everything adapting to you. It's about you adapting to what's around you. Even if you're not completely satisfied with the organization, ask yourself if there's anything you can do to help others like you within the existing structure. There's a lot of internal happiness to be found if you take the focus off of yourself. For some people who post here, I visualize them with a perpetual scowl as they're typing and even an occasional snarl or sneer. These people don't have many good things to say about anything, and they have a lot of complaints about nearly everything. From what they post, it appears that very little pleases them. My guess is that they own at least one item with It's all about ME or something similar written on it. I usually laugh at their scathing posts and then pity them for their miserable outlook. It must be terrible to be so unhappy that you can't say anything good. I think someone said something to this effect earlier, but it bears repeating. Look for the positive, and you'll find something positive. Look for the negative, and you'll find something negative. Which way is your time better spent? Donna - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support,
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Unfortunately (at least from my point of view) this was what STC's greatest value was: forums within the profession for the exchange of ideas, techniques and experiences. That and providing employers with a place to post positions and search resumes where they can reach the largest possible number of prospective candidates who have self-screened themselves from the general Monster, Dice or HotJobs applicant populations simply by joining the organization and using the jobs and resume database. In my opinion, STC's more recent efforts, such as attempting to create broad definitions of the profession to educate outsiders, aligning job descriptions and salary survey numbers to those of outside organizations and/or government agencies that have never understood what people in our profession do (I'm a writing manager who hires tech writers and I give no credence whatsoever to job descriptions and salary data from the US DOL compared to the info that formerly came directly from STC members), and yes, raising the dues, tend to decrease the value of the organization to me, both as a working writer and as a hiring manager, because they tend to reduce the number of working writers who read the jobs database, show up at the various social and other face-time gatherings and share their own professional and personal experiences with others. For now, the things that STC hasn't messed with (jobs and resume database, local chapter meetings and SIGs) are still working well enough to justify the expense of my continued membership. What happens down the line is another matter. Gene Kim-Eng - Original Message - From: Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] The very first bit changed earlier this year. It used to say: Mission: Creating and supporting a forum for communities of practice in the profession of technical communication. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
[TCP] WinHelp
No, no, I'm pro-WH. Paula's anti. -Original Message- From: Dana Worley Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself? On Monday, November 12, 2007, Dan Goldstein wrote: P.S.: Paula, you're still wrong about WinHelp. :-) That's the last straw. Anybody start dissing WinHelp and some heads are gonna roll. This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter. Thank you. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
So, is the 14,000 current, and if so, what did the number used to be (approximately)? Suzette Leeming On 11/12/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the total number of members (which has significantly decreased)... ...sue On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about: http://stc.org/about/ -- Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Need affordable web hosting? I recommend 1 1 - that's where I'm hosted! http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=6815038 __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] WinHelp
Count me on the pro-WinHelp side. Mike -- Mike StarrWriteStarr Information Services Technical Writer - Online Help Developer -Website developer Graphic Designer-Desktop Publisher - MS Office Expert Phone: (262) 694-1028 - Tollfree: (877) 892-1028 - Fax:(262) 697-6334 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.writestarr.com - Original Message - From: Dan Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tcp@techcommpros.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: [TCP] WinHelp No, no, I'm pro-WH. Paula's anti. -Original Message- From: Dana Worley Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself? On Monday, November 12, 2007, Dan Goldstein wrote: P.S.: Paula, you're still wrong about WinHelp. :-) That's the last straw. Anybody start dissing WinHelp and some heads are gonna roll. This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter. Thank you. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
I seem to recall something close to 25,000 On 11/12/07, Suzette Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is the 14,000 current, and if so, what did the number used to be (approximately)? Suzette Leeming On 11/12/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the total number of members (which has significantly decreased)... ...sue On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about: http://stc.org/about/ -- Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Need affordable web hosting? I recommend 1 1 - that's where I'm hosted! http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=6815038 __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Yes, membership has plummeted since the dotcom bust. (Not sure if it ever got at high as 25,000, but it was over 20,000 for sure.) But the number of tech comm jobs has also plummeted, which accounts for much of the decrease. Holly Harkness Proud to be an active STC leader (former chapter president and assistant SIG manager) ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Heim Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:03 PM To: Suzette Leeming Cc: TCP@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself? I seem to recall something close to 25,000 On 11/12/07, Suzette Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is the 14,000 current, and if so, what did the number used to be (approximately)? Suzette Leeming On 11/12/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, that hasn't changed in quite a few years, has it? Except for the total number of members (which has significantly decreased)... ...sue On 11/12/07, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/07, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My position is that they should promote the skills of technical writing to the people who use us. Here's what the Society leadership itself says on what STC is about: http://stc.org/about/ -- Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Need affordable web hosting? I recommend 1 1 - that's where I'm hosted! http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=6815038 __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself?
Has the post-dotcom plummet in tech writing jobs been quantified? I imagine Uncle Sam might keep that kind of data somewhere... -Original Message- From: Harkness, Holly Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:24 PM To: TCP@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Does STC only care about itself? Yes, membership has plummeted since the dotcom bust. (Not sure if it ever got as high as 25,000, but it was over 20,000 for sure.) But the number of tech comm jobs has also plummeted, which accounts for much of the decrease. This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter. Thank you. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com