Re: Problem with gnome-shell restart in F16: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell.desktop' respawning too quickly

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 08:30 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> On 10/26/2011 09:39 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 16:17 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> having a weird problem in F16 with gnome-shell: Restarting the
> >> gnome-shell with "alt+f2" and "r" consecutively at most twice, the gnome
> >> session dies with the *well known F16 message*:
> >>
> >> "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system
> >> can't recover. Please log out and try again".
> > 
> > Well, that's not weird.
> 
> Even if there is a time lag of about 30 sec between the 2 restarts?

I think the criterion is 'respawns twice within a minute', so yes.
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Re: Problem with gnome-shell restart in F16: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell.desktop' respawning too quickly

2011-10-26 Thread Joachim Backes
On 10/26/2011 09:39 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 16:17 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> having a weird problem in F16 with gnome-shell: Restarting the
>> gnome-shell with "alt+f2" and "r" consecutively at most twice, the gnome
>> session dies with the *well known F16 message*:
>>
>> "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system
>> can't recover. Please log out and try again".
> 
> Well, that's not weird.

Even if there is a time lag of about 30 sec between the 2 restarts?

> That's just...what the fail whale does. If any
> critical bit of GNOME looks like it's crashing repeatedly, it pops up.
> So, yeah, if you spam restarts of Shell, you'll trigger the fail whale.


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Re: [orca-list] BEWARE: Fedora 15 & 16 Unusable for the Speech Dependent Orca User

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 00:55 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi, Jason:
> 
> Jason White writes:
> > Janina Sajka  wrote:
> >  
> > > Issuing the following command as root works as expected.  Issuing this
> > > command as an ordinary user hangs until a Ctrl-C.
> > 
> > Perhaps it would be a good idea to run these commands with strace, capture 
> > the
> > output and add it to the bug report.
> > 
> Already done. Also, I've verified that selinux isn't the problem, and
> I've provided ls -lZ and ls -ldZ output for ~/.speech-dispatcher
> inasmuch as the strace seemed to suggest the problem was a "connection
> refused" accessing the socket in that directory.
> 
> I'm pleased to report I have had good followup from Red Hat this
> evening, so I'm hopeful. But, no solution yet.

You realize I'm just the QA monkey, I'm not actually capable of *fixing*
anything. =)

it might be nice if you could try in a more, hem, 'traditional'
configuration - i.e. not your PA-disabled, booting-to-runlevel-3 config
- before assuming it's just as broken for everyone. obviously something
is wrong here, but it may not be simply 100% broken - viz it seems to
work on my systems.
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Re: [orca-list] BEWARE: Fedora 15 & 16 Unusable for the Speech Dependent Orca User

2011-10-26 Thread Janina Sajka
Hi, Jason:

Jason White writes:
> Janina Sajka  wrote:
>  
> > Issuing the following command as root works as expected.  Issuing this
> > command as an ordinary user hangs until a Ctrl-C.
> 
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to run these commands with strace, capture the
> output and add it to the bug report.
> 
Already done. Also, I've verified that selinux isn't the problem, and
I've provided ls -lZ and ls -ldZ output for ~/.speech-dispatcher
inasmuch as the strace seemed to suggest the problem was a "connection
refused" accessing the socket in that directory.

I'm pleased to report I have had good followup from Red Hat this
evening, so I'm hopeful. But, no solution yet.

Janina

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More Pre-RC1 Installation Testing

2011-10-26 Thread Tim Flink
We have another anaconda build and that means another pre-RC1 image to
test.

http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/iso/20111026_preRC1.x64.boot.iso
http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/iso/20111026_preRC1.x64.boot.iso.sha256

If you are able to successfully install with that image, please add
karma to the anaconda update:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/anaconda-16.24-1.fc16

Thanks,

Tim


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Re: Gnome shell memory leak in F16 TC2 ?

2011-10-26 Thread Pratyush Sahay
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 18:09 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Pratyush Sahay
> >  wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Have a fully updated F16 TC2. Gnome-shell's memory footprint is
> ballooning
> > > like anything, making the GUI sluggish. Observed especially after
> running
> > > system for long hours or when unseen notifications accumulate alot in
> the
> > > bottom panel. Today, in 7hrs it jumped from 40-50 MB to 430 MB.
> > >
> > > Doing a Alt+F2 and 'r' brings gnome-shell back to normal levels. Guess
> > > people have seen it in F15 too earlier [1]. i didnt experience it much
> with
> > > F15 though.
> > >
> > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726978
> >
> > gnome-shell version?
> >
> > There was a bad leak in 3.2.0 which is fixed in 3.2.1
>
> rpm -qa | grep gnome-shell output:
gnome-shell-3.2.1-1.fc16.i686
gnome-shell-extension-common-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch
gnome-shell-extension-gpaste-1.6-1.fc16.noarch
gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch
gnome-shell-extension-native-window-placement-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch


> And are you using any customizations - extensions, alternate themes,
> etc?
>
>
Just tried running system with all extensions uninstalled. gnome-shell still
ballooning up. Using the default Adwaita theme.


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[Test-Announce] Remaining F16 blockers and F16 planning (2011-10-26)

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. This mail brought to you by my ever-increasing empty liquor
bottle collection and ever-receding hairline.

We unfortunately still have open blockers today, which means we will
likely do a TC3 compose tonight instead of RC1. The remaining
unaddressed blockers are:

1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=668282 "PackageKit yum
backend uses incorrect encoding for dynamic category names, makes them
show up with '?' characters in KPackageKit"

Nils reported that he would complete work on this today, but has not
checked in today at all. This leaves us somewhat stuck, as only Richard
Hughes and Nils are really qualified to work on this. Richard is away
this week.

2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731245 "KDE fails to
start inside a VM , large amount of memory [@ miCopyRegion]"

Soren fixed the initial issue, but KDE on qxl still doesn't really work
correctly. Details and logs are in the latest comments on the bug, and
I'm currently uploading a live image for convenient reproduction. Again,
contributions are welcome here.

3. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=736893 "New Install of
Fedora 16 TC1 on iBFT iSCSI NIC fails on first reboot"

Again, we're still rather looking for information from the reporter
here. Tim may be able to acquire an iBFT NIC for testing today.

4. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748747 "Totem doesn't
display video when using software 3D rendering"

Did not hear from ajax in relation to this bug today. Again, we really
need development input on this one.

5. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=747377 "heap corruption
via multi-threaded "git grep""

This is the bug in glibc 12.999 and 13 which can at least potentially
cause just about any app to crash. We're in the middle of addressing it;
a fixed glibc is out for testing and we are now mass-rebuilding all
packages which hit stable since glibc 12.999 made it to the buildroot.
This, obviously, isn't speeding up the whole release process any.

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BEWARE: Fedora 15 & 16 Unusable for the Speech Dependent Orca User

2011-10-26 Thread Janina Sajka
If you depend on speech-dispatcher for screen reader access, e.g. with
Orca, stay away from Fedora 15 and the upcoming Fedora 16 until there's
a fix for bug 743762:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743762

Unfortunately, there has been no activity on this bug since it was reported
several weeks ago.

Please note, furthermore, that there is no longer any other speech option for 
Orca
The old gnome-speech option will not function over D-Bus, and should,
frankly, have been removed.
Symptoms

Speech Dispatcher will only speak for the root user. It will not speak
for an ordinary user.


This does not appear to be a problem with the graphical environment,
however, as it can be demonstrated from the console using spd-say.

Issuing the following command as root works as expected.  Issuing this
command as an ordinary user hangs until a Ctrl-C.
Furthermore, the audio device remains "busy" until the offending
orphaned pid is manually killed. Stopping Speech-Dispat cher will not
kill this pid.

Lastly, the problem does not appear to be with Speech-Dispatcher itself,
inasmuch as the build provided on F-15 dates to March last, and worked
satisfactorally until approximately one month ago.

Janina

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Re: Gnome shell memory leak in F16 TC2 ?

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 18:09 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Pratyush Sahay
>  wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Have a fully updated F16 TC2. Gnome-shell's memory footprint is ballooning
> > like anything, making the GUI sluggish. Observed especially after running
> > system for long hours or when unseen notifications accumulate alot in the
> > bottom panel. Today, in 7hrs it jumped from 40-50 MB to 430 MB.
> >
> > Doing a Alt+F2 and 'r' brings gnome-shell back to normal levels. Guess
> > people have seen it in F15 too earlier [1]. i didnt experience it much with
> > F15 though.
> >
> > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726978
> 
> gnome-shell version?
> 
> There was a bad leak in 3.2.0 which is fixed in 3.2.1

And are you using any customizations - extensions, alternate themes,
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Re: Problem with gnome-shell restart in F16: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell.desktop' respawning too quickly

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 16:17 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> having a weird problem in F16 with gnome-shell: Restarting the
> gnome-shell with "alt+f2" and "r" consecutively at most twice, the gnome
> session dies with the *well known F16 message*:
> 
> "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system
> can't recover. Please log out and try again".

Well, that's not weird. That's just...what the fail whale does. If any
critical bit of GNOME looks like it's crashing repeatedly, it pops up.
So, yeah, if you spam restarts of Shell, you'll trigger the fail whale.
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Fedora 16 updates-testing report

2011-10-26 Thread updates
The following Fedora 16 Security updates need testing:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/moodle-2.0.5-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hardlink-1.0-12.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/phpldapadmin-1.2.1.1-2.20111006=
git.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kdeutils-4.7.2-2.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ocsinventory-1.3.3-5.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/asterisk-1.8.7.1-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/krb5-1.9.1-17.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/empathy-3.2.1.1-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/cherokee-1.2.101-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/puppet-2.6.12-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/arora-0.11.0-3.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tomcat6-6.0.32-19.fc16


The following Fedora 16 Critical Path updates have yet to be approved:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-6.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/livecd-tools-16.8-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/cronie-1.4.8-9.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/initscripts-9.34-2.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/policycoreutils-2.1.4-6.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sendmail-8.14.5-10.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/python-slip-0.2.18-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/caribou-0.4.1-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-savage-2.3.3-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.5.90=
-2.fc16,phonon-4.5.57-1.20110914.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/webkitgtk3-1.5.90-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/folks-0.6.2.1-2.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.12-2.fc=
16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openldap-2.4.26-5.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/evolution-data-server-3.1.5-2.f=
c16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-threads-1.83-4.fc16


The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 16 updates-testing

cronie-1.4.8-9.fc16
eclipse-ptp-5.0.2-1.fc16
geany-plugins-0.21-2.fc16
ghc-cryptohash-0.7.4-1.fc16
ghc-neither-0.3.0-1.fc16
ghc-wai-extra-0.4.3-1.fc16
gnome-shell-theme-atolm-3.2-1.fc16
gnome-shell-theme-smooth-inset-3.2-1.fc16
gnucash-2.4.8-1.fc16
grisbi-0.8.8-2.fc16
livecd-tools-16.8-1.fc16
mpop-1.0.25-1.fc16
policycoreutils-2.1.4-6.fc16
samba-3.6.1-74.fc16
samtools-0.1.18-2.fc16
squid-3.2.0.13-3.fc16
vacation-1.2.7.1-0.4.beta2.fc16
vim-perl-support-4.14-1.fc16
xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-6.fc16
yum-langpacks-0.2.4-1.fc16

Details about builds:


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Contains fix for @reboot jobs not running for users from networked account =
services such as LDAP and NIS.

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- make crond run a little bit later in the boot process (#747759)
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D747759
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* Thu Oct 20 2011 Orion Poplawski  - 5.0.2-1
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- Add jaxb to feature build before ptp
* Tue Sep  6 2011 Orion Poplawski  - 5.0.1-2
- Fixup some dependencies
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Re: how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 14:25 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:

> $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback
> 
> (It's a checkbox in the 'Graphics' section of the System Info control
> panel.)
> 
> >From that point, I would think you could then, on login, set up compiz - I
> haven't tried that.

Well, 'set up compiz' is the tricky part. until GNOME 3 we had the
desktop-effects thing which just configured your desired window manager
in gconf, but since GNOME 3, that simply doesn't exist any more.

so I replaced it with a login session definition which just does what
the fallback session does, but with compiz instead of metacity.

See the contents of compiz-gnome
- /usr/share/xsessions/compiz-gnome.desktop
and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/compiz-gnome.session .
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Re: how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 11:50 -0700, Benjamin Kosnik wrote:
> > $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback
> > 
> > (It's a checkbox in the 'Graphics' section of the System Info control
> > panel.)
> > 
> > From that point, I would think you could then, on login, set up
> > compiz - I haven't tried that.
> 
> Great, thanks. This doesn't put the choice in the gdm login screen like
> previous behavior, but it does get the job done: the session started is
> gnome classic.

Note that you'll have Metacity, not compiz, doing it that way. If you
just wanted the fallback mode, then that's fine. If you wanted compiz
too, try compiz-gnome.
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Re: how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Benjamin Kosnik

> $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback
> 
> (It's a checkbox in the 'Graphics' section of the System Info control
> panel.)
> 
> From that point, I would think you could then, on login, set up
> compiz - I haven't tried that.

Great, thanks. This doesn't put the choice in the gdm login screen like
previous behavior, but it does get the job done: the session started is
gnome classic.

Thanks.

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Re: F16 selecting kde and deselecting gnome: gdm-shell error

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 11:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

> Well, I can't reproduce the most worrying issue here, with TC2: I just
> took the TC2 DVD, selected KDE, de-selected GNOME, and got a system with
> kdm installed but not gdm. It boots to a kdm login window and I can log
> in.

Selecting Xfce and de-selecting GNOME also works, going for LXDE next...
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Re: how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Benjamin Kosnik (b...@redhat.com) said: 
> Just got TC2 to install correctly on macbook pro. Details here:
> 
> http://sunglint.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/fedora-16-vs-macbook-pro-or-air/
> 
> On my older F16 installs, there was a boot option to use the GNOME3
> compat session. However, in the newer images this is no longer an
> option.
> 
> I see that on ubuntu one can install gnome-session-fallback to get this
> option. (FWICT). What's the equivalent on Fedora? 

$ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback

(It's a checkbox in the 'Graphics' section of the System Info control
panel.)

>From that point, I would think you could then, on login, set up compiz - I
haven't tried that.

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Re: how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 20:14 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Benjamin Kosnik  wrote:
> >
> > Just got TC2 to install correctly on macbook pro. Details here:
> >
> > http://sunglint.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/fedora-16-vs-macbook-pro-or-air/
> >
> > On my older F16 installs, there was a boot option to use the GNOME3
> > compat session.
> 
> We never had anything like that ...

Yes, we do. It's in the compiz-gnome package. I wrote it. Not sure if
it's still there/working.
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Summary/Minutes from today's Proventesters meetup (2011-10-26)

2011-10-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
===
#fedora-meeting: proventesters (2011-10-26)
===

Meeting started by nirik at 18:09:45 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-10-26/proventesters.2011-10-26-18.09.log.html

Meeting summary
---
* Init process  (nirik, 18:09:52)

* action items from last week  (nirik, 18:12:13)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_tester_resources
(nirik, 18:12:36)

* Bodhi upgrade / testinglinks  (nirik, 18:14:57)
  * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-14216
(nirik, 18:16:53)
  * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/moodle-2.0.5-1.fc16
(nirik, 18:17:23)
  * LINK:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-14216?whatever
(nirik, 18:18:16)

* Open Floor  (nirik, 18:19:23)

Meeting ended at 18:23:23 UTC.




Action Items






Action Items, by person
---
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---
* nirik (32)
* brunowolff (8)
* zodbot (3)
* Southern_Gentlem (1)
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18:09:45  #startmeeting proventesters (2011-10-26)
18:09:45  Meeting started Wed Oct 26 18:09:45 2011 UTC.  The chair is 
nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:09:45  Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link 
#topic.
18:09:46  #meetingname proventesters
18:09:46  The meeting name has been set to 'proventesters'
18:09:52  #topic Init process
18:09:59  any folks around for proventester meeting?
18:10:07 * brunowolff is
18:10:47  I fear many people are busy trying to get f16 testing done.
18:11:34  And bug fixes, there were still open blockers last I 
looked.
18:11:41  yeah
18:12:11 * Southern_Gentlem 
18:12:13  #topic action items from last week
18:12:29  I haven't had time to work on my resource page... help still 
welcomed.
18:12:36  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_tester_resources
18:13:02  I've not heard anything much back about redoing testers on the 
join page.
18:13:05  When I looked at that I was wondering if there should be 
a link or two into the proventester area?
18:13:22  absolutely
18:13:25  The giudelines for testing might be useful for a larger 
audiance.
18:13:42  OK, I'll probably do that at some point.
18:13:55  excellent.
18:14:08  I don't think there's too much from last week aside from 
those...
18:14:57  #topic Bodhi upgrade / testinglinks
18:15:13  There was a bodhi update last week... and the links in the 
testing report went back to package names.
18:15:36  however, this causes additional issues... but there was a 
suggestion on how to make the links better which will hopefully happen.
18:16:10  I was wondering what that email thread was about. It 
makes more sense now.
18:16:18  yeah, there was:
18:16:53  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-14216
18:17:02  which was uninformative when you just look at it.
18:17:21  now it's changed back to:
18:17:23  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/moodle-2.0.5-1.fc16
18:17:39  but the problem there is that an update could change if 
packages are added/removed.
18:17:50  or if it's 90 builds it's a completely silly long url
18:17:57  the suggestion was:
18:18:16  
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-14216?whatever
18:18:28  so, you can see that it's whatever package and have the stable 
url too.
18:19:23  #topic Open Floor
18:19:29  anyone have anything for open floor?
18:21:34  Not really.
18:21:47 * nirik is happy to call it a short meeting this week... let folks go 
back to testing.
18:21:55  That sounds good.
18:22:38  ok, thanks for coming brunowolff. ;)
18:22:42  and Southern_Gentlem
18:23:23  #endmeeting


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Re: how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread drago01
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Benjamin Kosnik  wrote:
>
> Just got TC2 to install correctly on macbook pro. Details here:
>
> http://sunglint.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/fedora-16-vs-macbook-pro-or-air/
>
> On my older F16 installs, there was a boot option to use the GNOME3
> compat session.

We never had anything like that ...
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how to get "gnome classic with compiz" as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Benjamin Kosnik

Just got TC2 to install correctly on macbook pro. Details here:

http://sunglint.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/fedora-16-vs-macbook-pro-or-air/

On my older F16 installs, there was a boot option to use the GNOME3
compat session. However, in the newer images this is no longer an
option.

I see that on ubuntu one can install gnome-session-fallback to get this
option. (FWICT). What's the equivalent on Fedora? 

Or, how do I get "gnome classic with compiz" as a session option on F16?

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Re: F16 selecting kde and deselecting gnome: gdm-shell error

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 10:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 18:18 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Gianluca Cecchi  wrote:
> > 
> > > Installation completed but at first boot I completed the normal user
> > > definition and sent profile, but then instead of login window I get a
> > > window with message:
> > >
> > > failed to load session "gdm-shell"
> > >
> > > and a logout button
> > > I would expect kdm instead of gdm and kdm has been installed
> > > [root@f16tc2 ~]# type kdm
> > > kdm is /usr/bin/kdm
> > 
> > 
> > While writing /etc/sysconfig/desktop with
> > DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE
> > didn't work on first boot run session (even pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).
> > Setting it and rebooting the system lets kdm start.
> > But the session is by default set to gnome (that I didn't select
> > during install), and it seems I cannot select the "session type"
> > option.
> > At second attemp to click on it I get an X Windows System restart...
> > the same trying to click on "Menu" option
> > 
> > At second click when X restrts:
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm[886]: X server for display :0 terminated 
> > unexpectedly
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm: :0[1609]: Fatal X server IO error:
> > Interrupted system call
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrt[1620]: saved core dump of pid 1604
> > (/usr/bin/Xorg) to /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604
> > (3424256 bytes)
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Directory
> > 'ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604' creation detected
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: DUP_OF_DIR:
> > /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Dump directory is a duplicate of
> > /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
> > Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Deleting dump directory
> > ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604 (dup of ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212),
> > sending dbus signal
> > 
> > 
> > BTW: switching to a console window gives only garbage characters on
> > all over the screen
> 
> Yike. There's clearly a bug here, yes. Probably more than one.
> 
> One of the bugs you're hitting is the one that's currently tracked here:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746693
> 
> gdm has got a bit complicated lately. If you have GNOME Shell installed
> and it works, login isn't actually handled by gdm itself at all: GNOME
> Shell runs in a special mode and handles login. This
> is /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session .
> 
> If you don't have GNOME Shell installed, or your hardware doesn't
> support Shell, you
> get /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-fallback.session , which is
> actually gdm. However, it seems to have grown a dependency on metacity
> (whether it really needs one or not). So *that* bug is: gdm's 'fallback
> mode' doesn't work if metacity isn't present, but gdm doesn't depend on
> metacity.
> 
> Then there's the issue of why you're getting gdm at all when you
> de-selected GNOME and selected KDE, and why when you get it working it
> thinks there's a GNOME session available. I suspect that's
> dependency/comps problems we'd need to figure out. It would help to have
> the logs of what packages actually got installed, but I should be able
> to reproduce that fairly easily. I'll look into it.

Well, I can't reproduce the most worrying issue here, with TC2: I just
took the TC2 DVD, selected KDE, de-selected GNOME, and got a system with
kdm installed but not gdm. It boots to a kdm login window and I can log
in.

Did you make any other customizations to the package set?

There may be a difference between DVD and net install here somehow, I
guess, but I can't immediately see how.
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Pre Final RC1 Installer Testing

2011-10-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:40:41 -0600
From: Tim Flink
Subject: Pre Final RC1 Installer Testing
To:test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Message-ID:<20111025164041.5adb1...@desktop.tirfa.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

We have a new anaconda build that needs karma, so if you have the time
please test out this test boot.iso:

http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/iso/20111025_preRC1.x64.boot.iso
http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/iso/20111025_preRC1.x64.boot.iso.sha256

If you are able to successfully install, please add karma to:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/anaconda-16.23-1.fc16



successful install
anaconda 16,23
[wep wireless AP setup]
custom
8Gb USB
ext4 / 7000
swap 659
customize now
1261 files
boot /dev/sda (no HD in Acer Aspire One N450)
[xfce]
[sugar]
gnome deselected
installed and booted correctly
firstboot, User' smolt etc
login comes up as sugar(selected) or xfce
Both boot correctly on wireless AP selected earlier in anaconda

Tom Gilliard
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Re: F16 selecting kde and deselecting gnome: gdm-shell error

2011-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 18:18 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Gianluca Cecchi  wrote:
> 
> > Installation completed but at first boot I completed the normal user
> > definition and sent profile, but then instead of login window I get a
> > window with message:
> >
> > failed to load session "gdm-shell"
> >
> > and a logout button
> > I would expect kdm instead of gdm and kdm has been installed
> > [root@f16tc2 ~]# type kdm
> > kdm is /usr/bin/kdm
> 
> 
> While writing /etc/sysconfig/desktop with
> DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE
> didn't work on first boot run session (even pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).
> Setting it and rebooting the system lets kdm start.
> But the session is by default set to gnome (that I didn't select
> during install), and it seems I cannot select the "session type"
> option.
> At second attemp to click on it I get an X Windows System restart...
> the same trying to click on "Menu" option
> 
> At second click when X restrts:
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm[886]: X server for display :0 terminated 
> unexpectedly
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm: :0[1609]: Fatal X server IO error:
> Interrupted system call
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrt[1620]: saved core dump of pid 1604
> (/usr/bin/Xorg) to /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604
> (3424256 bytes)
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Directory
> 'ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604' creation detected
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: DUP_OF_DIR:
> /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Dump directory is a duplicate of
> /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Deleting dump directory
> ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604 (dup of ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212),
> sending dbus signal
> 
> 
> BTW: switching to a console window gives only garbage characters on
> all over the screen

Yike. There's clearly a bug here, yes. Probably more than one.

One of the bugs you're hitting is the one that's currently tracked here:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746693

gdm has got a bit complicated lately. If you have GNOME Shell installed
and it works, login isn't actually handled by gdm itself at all: GNOME
Shell runs in a special mode and handles login. This
is /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session .

If you don't have GNOME Shell installed, or your hardware doesn't
support Shell, you
get /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-fallback.session , which is
actually gdm. However, it seems to have grown a dependency on metacity
(whether it really needs one or not). So *that* bug is: gdm's 'fallback
mode' doesn't work if metacity isn't present, but gdm doesn't depend on
metacity.

Then there's the issue of why you're getting gdm at all when you
de-selected GNOME and selected KDE, and why when you get it working it
thinks there's a GNOME session available. I suspect that's
dependency/comps problems we'd need to figure out. It would help to have
the logs of what packages actually got installed, but I should be able
to reproduce that fairly easily. I'll look into it.
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Re: Rawhide Updates Borked?

2011-10-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:08:36 -0400
"Clyde E. Kunkel"  wrote:

> Haven't been able to update rawhide since 24 Oct.  Issues?

Rawhide has failed to compose the last 2 days. ;( 

Looking into it. 

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Re: Rawhide Updates Borked?

2011-10-26 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/26/2011 01:07 PM, Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> Be more specific about what's going wrong?
>
> On 10/26/2011 1:08 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
>> Haven't been able to update rawhide since 24 Oct. Issues?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>
>
>
For two days in a row and one day showing a rawhide report:

$ sudo yum --skip-broken update
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
No Packages marked for Update


Also, looking at mash, the repodata directory is empty.  Maybe that is 
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Re: Rawhide Updates Borked?

2011-10-26 Thread Jonathan Kamens

Be more specific about what's going wrong?

On 10/26/2011 1:08 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:

Haven't been able to update rawhide since 24 Oct.  Issues?

TIA

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Rawhide Updates Borked?

2011-10-26 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
Haven't been able to update rawhide since 24 Oct.  Issues?

TIA

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Re: F16 selecting kde and deselecting gnome: gdm-shell error

2011-10-26 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/26/2011 12:18 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Gianluca Cecchi  wrote:
>
>> Installation completed but at first boot I completed the normal user
>> definition and sent profile, but then instead of login window I get a
>> window with message:
>>
>> failed to load session "gdm-shell"
>>
>> and a logout button
>> I would expect kdm instead of gdm and kdm has been installed
>> [root@f16tc2 ~]# type kdm
>> kdm is /usr/bin/kdm
>
>
> While writing /etc/sysconfig/desktop with
> DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE
> didn't work on first boot run session (even pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).
> Setting it and rebooting the system lets kdm start.
> But the session is by default set to gnome (that I didn't select
> during install), and it seems I cannot select the "session type"
> option.
> At second attemp to click on it I get an X Windows System restart...
> the same trying to click on "Menu" option
>
> At second click when X restrts:
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm[886]: X server for display :0 terminated 
> unexpectedly
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm: :0[1609]: Fatal X server IO error:
> Interrupted system call
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrt[1620]: saved core dump of pid 1604
> (/usr/bin/Xorg) to /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604
> (3424256 bytes)
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Directory
> 'ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604' creation detected
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: DUP_OF_DIR:
> /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Dump directory is a duplicate of
> /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
> Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Deleting dump directory
> ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604 (dup of ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212),
> sending dbus signal
>
>
> BTW: switching to a console window gives only garbage characters on
> all over the screen

I ran into this on an earlier incarnation of F16 and had to install xdm 
as the display manager.

I would expect kdm if gnome desktop not selected and kdm selected. 
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Re: F16 selecting kde and deselecting gnome: gdm-shell error

2011-10-26 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Gianluca Cecchi  wrote:

> Installation completed but at first boot I completed the normal user
> definition and sent profile, but then instead of login window I get a
> window with message:
>
> failed to load session "gdm-shell"
>
> and a logout button
> I would expect kdm instead of gdm and kdm has been installed
> [root@f16tc2 ~]# type kdm
> kdm is /usr/bin/kdm


While writing /etc/sysconfig/desktop with
DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE
didn't work on first boot run session (even pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).
Setting it and rebooting the system lets kdm start.
But the session is by default set to gnome (that I didn't select
during install), and it seems I cannot select the "session type"
option.
At second attemp to click on it I get an X Windows System restart...
the same trying to click on "Menu" option

At second click when X restrts:
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm[886]: X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 kdm: :0[1609]: Fatal X server IO error:
Interrupted system call
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrt[1620]: saved core dump of pid 1604
(/usr/bin/Xorg) to /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604
(3424256 bytes)
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Directory
'ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604' creation detected
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: DUP_OF_DIR:
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Dump directory is a duplicate of
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212
Oct 26 18:17:28 f16tc2 abrtd: Deleting dump directory
ccpp-2011-10-26-18:17:28-1604 (dup of ccpp-2011-10-26-18:09:50-1212),
sending dbus signal


BTW: switching to a console window gives only garbage characters on
all over the screen
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Re: Gnome shell memory leak in F16 TC2 ?

2011-10-26 Thread drago01
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Pratyush Sahay
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Have a fully updated F16 TC2. Gnome-shell's memory footprint is ballooning
> like anything, making the GUI sluggish. Observed especially after running
> system for long hours or when unseen notifications accumulate alot in the
> bottom panel. Today, in 7hrs it jumped from 40-50 MB to 430 MB.
>
> Doing a Alt+F2 and 'r' brings gnome-shell back to normal levels. Guess
> people have seen it in F15 too earlier [1]. i didnt experience it much with
> F15 though.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726978

gnome-shell version?

There was a bad leak in 3.2.0 which is fixed in 3.2.1
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Re: Fedora 16 TC2 graphics distortion issues

2011-10-26 Thread Pratyush Sahay
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Pratyush Sahay
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Have been testing TC2. Did a F15 --> F16 upgrade via DVD media, plus yum
> update. There are certain graphics related issues that am observing of late
> on my Thinkpad R60 with Intel graphics:
>
> a) Tooltips in a few gnome apps seem broken. Only a black box appears ,
> (Nautilus, Rhythmbox). Tooltips in gnome-terminal show normal behaviour.
> b) Selecting multiple files in nautilus via mouse shows up a opaque white
> box over all the files
> c) Quite a few places (including nautilus) a single file selection shows up
> under a pink opaque box. I couldnt capture a screenshot for nautilus, but
> have an e.g for PackageKit GUI . The box goes away upon clicking anywhere
> else in the GUI once again.
>
>
Have filed bug report under xorg-x11-drv-intel as recent updates too didnt
seem to help. The xorg and gnome-shell versions in use are:
xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.16.0-2.fc16.i686
gnome-shell-3.2.1-1.fc16.i686

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749282

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Gnome shell memory leak in F16 TC2 ?

2011-10-26 Thread Pratyush Sahay
Hello all,

Have a fully updated F16 TC2. Gnome-shell's memory footprint is ballooning
like anything, making the GUI sluggish. Observed especially after running
system for long hours or when unseen notifications accumulate alot in the
bottom panel. Today, in 7hrs it jumped from 40-50 MB to 430 MB.

Doing a Alt+F2 and 'r' brings gnome-shell back to normal levels. Guess
people have seen it in F15 too earlier [1]. i didnt experience it much with
F15 though.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726978

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Problem with gnome-shell restart in F16: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell.desktop' respawning too quickly

2011-10-26 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi,

having a weird problem in F16 with gnome-shell: Restarting the
gnome-shell with "alt+f2" and "r" consecutively at most twice, the gnome
session dies with the *well known F16 message*:

"Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system
can't recover. Please log out and try again".

Found the following lines in /var/log/messages:

..
..
Oct 26 16:13:14 eule gnome-session[1977]: WARNING: Application
'gnome-shell.desktop' killed by signal
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activating
via systemd: service name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activation via systemd failed
for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to
load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activation
via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit
dbus-org.bluez.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See
system logs and 'systemctl status dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activating
via systemd: service name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activation via systemd failed
for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to
load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:15 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activation
via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit
dbus-org.bluez.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See
system logs and 'systemctl status dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:55 eule gnome-session[1977]: WARNING: App
'gnome-shell.desktop' respawning too quickly
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activating
via systemd: service name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activation via systemd failed
for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to
load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activation
via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit
dbus-org.bluez.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See
system logs and 'systemctl status dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activating
via systemd: service name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service'
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus[933]: [system] Activation via systemd failed
for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to
load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:56 eule dbus-daemon[933]: dbus[933]: [system] Activation
via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.bluez.service': Unit
dbus-org.bluez.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See
system logs and 'systemctl status dbus-org.bluez.service' for details.
Oct 26 16:13:58 eule systemd-logind[904]: Removed session 4.
Oct 26 16:13:59 eule systemd-logind[904]: New session 6 of user gdm.
Oct 26 16:13:59 eule systemd-logind[904]: Linked /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 to
/run/user/gdm/X11/display.
Oct 26 16:13:59 eule gnome-session[3022]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
..
..


Anybody sees this too?

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F16 selecting kde and deselecting gnome: gdm-shell error

2011-10-26 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
Hello,
trying to test
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731245
as from the message
[Test-Announce] Remaining F16 blockers and F16 planning

I installed from f16tc2 vmlinuz+initrd.img inside a kvm guest with
direct kernel boot.
host is f15+virt-preview and selected spice as video adapter
At sw selection during install  I chose to:
- customize
- select kde
- deselect gnome

Installation completed but at first boot I completed the normal user
definition and sent profile, but then instead of login window I get a
window with message:

failed to load session "gdm-shell"

and a logout button
I would expect kdm instead of gdm and kdm has been installed
[root@f16tc2 ~]# type kdm
kdm is /usr/bin/kdm

The same flow but leaving default (gnome selected during install and
no selection for kde) leads to a system where I can correctly use gdm,
instead

Are my install choices supported?
In that case any files I can provide ?
My /var/log/messages:
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 dbus-daemon[829]: dbus[829]: [system]
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit'
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 dbus-daemon[829]: dbus[829]: [system]
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Accounts'
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 dbus[829]: [system] Successfully activated
service 'org.freedesktop.Accounts'
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 accounts-daemon[986]: started daemon version 0.6.14
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 systemd-logind[795]: New user gdm logged in.
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 systemd-logind[795]: New session 1 of user gdm.
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 systemd-logind[795]: Linked /tmp/.X11-unix/X0
to /run/user/gdm/X11/display.
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer:
SESSION_MANAGER=local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1054,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-u
nix/1054#012
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): GsmShell: Not
connected to the shell
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager:
setting client store 0x1a46920
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 1: signum=4 (nil)
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 4 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 2: signum=7 (nil)
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 7 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 3: signum=11 (nil)
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 11 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 4: signum=6 (nil)
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 6 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 5: signum=5 (nil)
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 5 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 6: signum=8 0x41bf30
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 8 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 7: signum=1 0x41bf30
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 1 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 8: signum=10 0x41bf30
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 10 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 9: signum=15 0x41bf30
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 15 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Adding handler 10: signum=2 0x41bf30
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+):
GdmSignalHandler: Registering for 2 signals
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): fill: ***
Getting session 'gdm-shell'
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): fill: ***
Looking if /var/lib/gdm/.config/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session
is a valid session file
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): Cannot use
session '/var/lib/gdm/.config/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session':
non-existing or invalid file.
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): fill: ***
Looking if /etc/xdg/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session is a
valid session file
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): Cannot use
session '/etc/xdg/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session':
non-existing or invalid file.
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-session[1054]: DEBUG(+): fill: ***
Looking if /usr/share/gdm/greeter/gnome-session/sessions/gdm-shell.session
is a valid session file
Oct 26 15:41:09 f16tc2 gnome-

F-16 Branched report: 20111026 changes

2011-10-26 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Oct 26 08:16:04 UTC 2011

Broken deps for x86_64
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Re: Release criteria proposal: i18n criteria

2011-10-26 Thread Kamil Paral
> > In that case everything's perfect and I just misunderstood it.
> > 
> > What confused me most is probably the phrase "all sufficiently
> > complete translations". I am not sure about its purpose. Does it
> > mean
> > that if German has 90% complete GNOME translations, but Nautilus
> > (even
> > though fully translated) shows in pure English, it is a blocker;
> > but
> > if Arabic has 20% complete GNOME translations, and Nautilus (even
> > though fully translated) shows in pure English, it is not a
> > blocker?
> > I.e. Nautilus code is broken, but only for Arabic -> Arabic
> > translations are too incomplete -> not blocker? Is that the
> > intended
> > purpose?
> > 
> > Not saying it's wrong or right, probably both. Just clarifying.
> 
> That was put in on the basis of how our translations system actually
> works. At least AIUI, translations are only actually used in Fedora -
> put out into the release - if they hit a certain magic completeness
> level. So the wording is just to reflect that. If that's not correct,
> we
> can adjust the criterion.

Ah, that clears up the whole picture. Thanks.
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Re: F16 anaconda's ability to create raid[1-6] devices?

2011-10-26 Thread Jurgen Kramer
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 11:48 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 19:49 +0200, Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > Is anaconda supposed to be able to create a raid1-5 device during
> > installation?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > I managed to let ananconda create 4 software raid partitions but after I
> > select to create a raid device it gives me "Only RAID0 arrays can
> > contain growable members" for every valid raid level except 0.
> > 
> > Each raid partition is created with 'maximum fill'
> 
> Try creating them with a specified size instead?
> -- 
Yeah, that worked. Slightly less convenient then the 'fill to the max'
option but doable :-).


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