Re: coreutils in Rawhide ~ behavior change to the -v option on cp?
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:46:25AM +1000, Ian Laurie wrote: > It looks to me like there has been a recent change to the verbose reporting > option on the cp command. > > Previously (and still in Fedora 38) the -v option will report on files > actually copied, but ignores files not copied (for example when -v is used > with -u). > > However in Rawhide the -v option now reports on files skipped when used with > -u, which has made a big mess of many of my bash scripts. > > Anyone know if there is some trick to reverting traditional behavior? According to the NEWS file in coreutils-9.3, I see this: ** Changes in behavior 'cp -n' and 'mv -n' now issue an error diagnostic if skipping a file, to correspond with -n inducing a nonzero exit status as of coreutils 9.2. Similarly 'cp -v' and 'mv -v' will output a message for each file skipped due to -n, -i, or -u. So it looks like behavior has changed. -- David Cantrell Red Hat, Inc. | Boston, MA | EST5EDT ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: F36 testing needed: cloud-on-real-cloud
Thanks for the heads up Ben and Adam. I sent out an email and I’ll make images available for testing on GCP, Azure and AWS for the efforts. If anyone would like to discuss or coordinate on testing, I’ll be around this weekend for the efforts. > On Apr 29, 2022, at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > > On Fri, 2022-04-29 at 09:07 -0500, Major Hayden wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, at 07:44, Ben Cotton wrote: >>> Hello, my cloudy friends, >>> >>> Adam noted in yesterday's Go/No-Go meeting that we're short on test >>> coverage with Cloud images on real clouds. We'll have a new RC coming >>> in a few days to address some outstanding blockers, but in the >>> meantime, if we could start filling in the test matrix[1], I expect >>> most tests should carry over just fine. >>> >>> As a reminder, our next go/no-go meeting is Thursday 5 May. >>> >>> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test >> >> I should be able to get a little time for this today! > > Thanks! > > There will be another RC, but the changes shouldn't really affect these > tests, so we will be able to transfer results from RC2 to RC3 if > necessary. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA > IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha > https://www.happyassassin.net > > ___ > cloud mailing list -- cl...@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cl...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure David Duncan, Partner Solutions Architect davd...@amazon.com Amazon Web Services signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
RE: Fedora Workstation Installation crashing when in EFI
On 9/29/21 3:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2021-09-29 at 16:04 +, Patrick McAfee wrote: > > Hey all, > > => First time posting here. When I tried to install the beta on my > > laptop while in EFI mode the installer would crash after installing > > the bootloader and transition to configuring software and go back to > > GDM. When I switch my laptop to Legacy it doesn't happen, which leads > > me to believe something is up with the EFI shim or something along > > those lines. Is this a known bug that anyone knows of? Also where do > > I report this one exactly? I know this isn't a very detailed report > > but I wanted to check before making a fully detailed report out. > > Thanks! > > Hi Patrick! We'd need to see some logs to know what's going on, I think. This > isn't a general bug, I don't think, as we do test an EFI install from live > media in > our automated tests, and those tests are passing. Does the installer show > you any kind of crash report interface, or does it just flat out disappear? > If it > just goes away, we'll probably need to see what's in the various installer log > files in /tmp , plus the system journal. Thanks! Adam, I can consistently reproduce this exactly as described here, on a brand new laptop (but not on an older one). There is a SIGSEGV occurring in gnome-shell, which would appear from the backtrace to be caused by a recent upstream commit. Please see bug 2009637. Should this be considered for a release blocker? I'm honestly not sure whether this issue is quite hardware constrained, or perhaps if we're just the first ones reporting it. On that note: because ABRT is disabled when the live media boots, it does not capture this crash - unless I manually start the ABRT services before the installer. Is that intended? One of the basic release criteria is that installer failures should be reportable to Bugzilla. The nuance here is that it's not Anaconda which is crashing, but the fact that gnome-shell is crashing is essentially having the same impact. Thanks, David ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: f33 packages in F34?
I have about 6 man-hours of usage of Fedora 34 WS Beta, and there are no f33 packages on my install. I did a query, and dnf said that 1721 lines are counted.I do not think I have installed much yet. I assume there are packages that can be removed that I have no use for.That is on my long list of things to learn how to do. I think I will run a sudo dnf rm grub2* and reboot. That is my April Fools Joke. Cheers. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
newbie question about the Branched version
I am assuming that at this stage in Fedora 34 development, that nearly everything being tested in Rawhide currently, that passes certain test, eventually ends up in Fedora 34 until Tuesday, April 20th at 1400 UTC. It just seems like there is at least a 3 week gap on the advertised schedule between Beta Target and Final Freeze. Does anything exciting happen during that time ? I assume there is a more detailed schedule used by the people doing all the work. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
gdm question
In my install of Rawhide, gdm has a flat black background, but in Fedora 34 Beta, it is a blue background that is different shades of blue across the screen, sort of fading from one spot to another. Just curious if this is intentional. I believe this might be what some people refer to as being "more polished." Right ? and if there is an easy way to adjust the background ? I think maybe that I once changed the background using a text editor and a config file, but don't remember what desktop environment I was using then, nor what display manager. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: some Fedora 34 feedback
I now have Fedora 34 WS Beta installed on my secondary NVMe. The only thing I can see to comment about is that during the installation of the bootloader, that Anaconda kicked me back to the menu you first get when you are asked if you want to try Fedora or to Install. I am not sure if this had something to do with the time of the screen lock, as I was not paying close attention ( I was half-asleep ). So I just decided to wait a few minutes and then reboot. Everything seems normal. This may have been the first time I tried the live installer. I ran an update and rebooted, played a game of FreeCell, surfed the web, watched a video while checking htop, and now sending this email. I replaced this over my Fedora 33 install, so now I have Rawhide on my primary NVMe, and Fedora 34 Beta on the secondary NVMe, on a Gigabyte Vision B550 motherboard. In the Rawhide install I did a few hours ago, I had to manually do the wi-fi part, which I think would have been confusing to some new users, but in the 34 Beta, I just had to click on the network, and enter the password, which I think any computer user in 2021 should be able to do, as that part is nearly the same on smartphones. In the Rawhide install, I had a choice of time formats, but it did not work.I did not see that in 34 Beta. In the Rawhide install, the installer shows many of the packages being installed, but in 34 Beta, it just vaguely reads "installing software" and randomly jumps from 3% to other random percentages. In 34 Beta, the hurricane animation does not spin during installing software. I think 34 Beta WS has a few more apps included than Rawhide WS.I will have to take a closer look. David Locklear > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: some Fedora 34 feedback
Never mind. I am retarded. I forgot to put the iso of 34 on the thumbdrive, and accidently used my old Rawhide iso. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
some Fedora 34 feedback
I just did an install on my secondary NVMe of Fedora 34 using the March 26 nightly of Workstation Live. I have done about 50 such installs in the last four years, but this was my first with wi-fi. I was not able to change the time to AM/PM in that part of the installer. However, somewhere and somehow, I must have screwed up and installed Rawhide Everything Boot on the USB thumb-drive, instead of the Fedora 34 nightly. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Shotwell question
I just installed Shotwell on a Rawhide WS install. I assume the first mirror it tried to contact ( twice ? ), and then went to look in a different mirror ?? Here is a partial readout: Downloading Packages: [MIRROR] shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64.rpm: Status code: 404 for https://mirror.genesisadaptive.com/fedora/development/rawhide/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/s/shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64.rpm (IP: 64.250.112.70) [MIRROR] shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64.rpm: Status code: 404 for http://mirror.genesisadaptive.com/fedora/development/rawhide/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/s/shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64.rpm (IP: 64.250.112.70) shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64.rpm 175 kB/s | 3.6 MB 00:21 Total 172 kB/s | 3.6 MB 00:21 Running transaction check Transaction check succeeded. Running transaction test Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction Preparing: 1/1 Installing : shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64 1/1 Running scriptlet: shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64 1/1 Verifying: shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64 1/1 Installed: shotwell-0.31.3-5.fc35.x86_64 Complete! Is that helpful information to anybody ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
some Rawhide feedback
It looks like my install of Rawhide WS is up-to-date and working nominally. Chromium still crashes. But Gnome Web seemed to work fine. This was a quickie-look at several applications only, playing one game of FreeCell with Aisleriot, surfing the web, watching YouTube, etc. Updated GIMP in Gnome Software, looked at inxi readout in terminal. I am a happy-camper today.( That is a saying we have here when everything is better than it was yesterday ) My wi-fi speed jumped up to 21 Mbps. Is that good enough to do updates in Fedora Rawhide ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: wi-fi question
For whatever reason, dnf update eventually worked ( another self-healed cure ? ) Anyways, here are two errors: Upgrading: grub2-efi-x64-1:2.06~rc1-3.fc35.x86_64 159/498 warning: /boot/grub2/grubenv created as /boot/grub2/grubenv.rpmnew Upgrading: grub2-efi-x64-1:2.06~rc1-3.fc35.x86_64 159/498 warning: /boot/grub2/grubenv created as /boot/grub2/grubenv.rpmnew 250 packages updated. Is it safe to re-start, or should I leave the computer on and do another update tomorrow ? That was likely the largest wi-fi update I have ever done. I used to have a reliable access to ethernet before the COVID hysteria. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
wi-fi question
Trying to update my Rawhide WS install from a wi-fi connection. A generic ping-test alleges I have a 16.24 Mbps average download speed. I am getting some curl errors when I try to update, and something about mirrors not found or Rawhide Modular not found. I would assume they are temporarily down. However, all three browsers I am using are acting flakey, especially with Gmail.Chromium crashes quickly.I am in Gnome Web now. Any suggestions ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Thank you, all
I am just re-phrasing my previous question here. Before the official Beta was published, was there an in-house test-Beta and also a rc-Beta ? Or were the published ISO’s today, the same as one of the above ? I am just curious how it all plays out. I think I am still a newbie when it comes to all things Fedora related. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: newbie question - Fedora 34
Yes, I just saw the announcement via Phoronix. Ironically, I do not recall seeing it on the listserve, unless I overlooked it. David Locklear On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:13 AM Luna Jernberg wrote: > https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=11192 > https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-the-release-of-fedora-34-beta/ > > The actual real Beta came out earlier today > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 5:04 PM David wrote: > >> Is the Fedora 34 Beta officially out in the wild ? >> >> or are the current Beta versions just "test-Betas" ?? or "rc-Betas" for >> in-house use only ? >> >> Seems confusing. Why not do an public Alpha release, or at least a >> quite Alpha release ? >> >> >> Linux users who have never used Fedora or have little experience with >> Fedora need a better explanation as to what is so exciting about the 34 >> release. Phoronix is only covering the highlights, but a few YouTubers are >> explaining it, but they only do it in a virtual-machine for a very brief >> install review. >> >> >> In my opinion, a good review would be to install on hardware and show >> actual real-world work being done with Fedora 34, such as a drawing in >> FreeCAD, and how the system differs from Manjaro Gnome 40, Gnome OS, Ubuntu >> 20.10, etc. >> >> Cheers, >> >> David Locklear >> >> >> ___ >> test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: >> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure >> > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
newbie question - Fedora 34
Is the Fedora 34 Beta officially out in the wild ? or are the current Beta versions just "test-Betas" ?? or "rc-Betas" for in-house use only ? Seems confusing. Why not do an public Alpha release, or at least a quite Alpha release ? Linux users who have never used Fedora or have little experience with Fedora need a better explanation as to what is so exciting about the 34 release. Phoronix is only covering the highlights, but a few YouTubers are explaining it, but they only do it in a virtual-machine for a very brief install review. In my opinion, a good review would be to install on hardware and show actual real-world work being done with Fedora 34, such as a drawing in FreeCAD, and how the system differs from Manjaro Gnome 40, Gnome OS, Ubuntu 20.10, etc. Cheers, David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Rawhide / Firefox / Gmail
Something weird is going on with my gmail, but I have confirmed Gmail works fine in Chromium. I do not see anything on the web related to my problem. This issue is not yet an issue that bothers me enough to investigate any further. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
some newbie Rawhide feedback
My new install of Rawhide has had two nice updates in the past 48 hours. Everything seems excellent. The next comment might just be a coincidence, but Gmail, in Firefox is acting weird all of the sudden. Htop looks good. Some say Rawhide is too unstable to use on a daily basis. It is 100 times more stable than my estranged-wife, and I have been stuck with her for 25 years. She has not had a kernel upgrade in all those years, and numerous regressions have become abundant. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
some Rawhide feedback
The link below is a screenshot showing the readout from the command "inxi -F." https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywi787vkk5h6wya/Rawhide_Workstation.png I have to open two terminals to see the full readout, but would normally just scroll down to see the bottom missing part. I think a B550 motherboard and Ryzen 3600 are plenty of horsepower to run Fedora Workstation with Gnome 40. I do have a Gnome 40 question. Is there a setting to control the way the launch dock at the bottom behaves. By default the cursor has to be first moved to "Activities," which is very annoying.Right ? The clock defaults to 24-hour time. Is that the most popular way ? Does Gnome 40 "Software" default to flatpaks, if you do not make an effort to choose from the Fedora repository ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
sort of GRUB2 related / some feedback
I have about an hour of usage with my new fresh install of Rawhide WS on my old NVMe. Working great so far. The following grub2 packages came pre-installed grub2-common.noarch 1:2.04-35.fc34 grub2-efi-x64.x86_64 1:2.04-35.fc34 grub2-tools.x86_64 1:2.04-35.fc34 grub2-tools-minimal.x86_64 1:2.04-35.fc34 grubby.x86_64 8.40-51.fc34 What I noticed different, ( in the grub2 menu ), is that two of my other distros that are on separate SATA SSD's, are available as a choice. Those happen to be the stable version of OpenMandriva KDE, and the developmental version of OpenMandriva ( Cooker ). I think I have others that were not shown ( maybe a FreeBSD ) But my Fedora 33 WS install on my secondary NVMe was not shown. More importantly, if I choose one of those other distros, then each time I boot, I get their custom decorated grub menu ( which I think is compiled with clang ), and on their menu it will only let me choose those two distros mentioned above - not Fedora. In order to get back into Rawhide, I have to do it the old-fashioned way, by going into my bios and messing with the boot-sequence. [ Sidenote: While on the subject, it is easier to adjust the boot-sequence on a ASUS motherboard, than on a Gigabyte. ] So to get to my secondary NVMe and use my Fedora 33 install, I have to change the boot-sequence when booting.( on my Gigabyte motherboard, I can not tell which NVMe is Rawhide and which is Fedora 33, nor any other difference - they both just say vaguely "Fedora PCIe" ) David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Rawhide related
I installed Rawhide WS using the unofficial iso from March 15, ( Everything Boot ) on Gigabyte B550 with a Ryzen 3600XT, and a cheap NVMe. As far as I can tell, all looks good. Unfortunately, I won't be able to say much else about it, for a while. Below is a list of all the files it installed that were named gnome something: ( and nothing updated when I ran a dnf update ) gnome-abrt.x86_64 1.3.6-2.fc34 gnome-autoar.x86_64 0.3.0-1.fc35 gnome-backgrounds.noarch 3.38.0-2.fc34 gnome-bluetooth.x86_64 1:3.34.3-2.fc34 gnome-bluetooth-libs.x86_64 1:3.34.3-2.fc34 gnome-boxes.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-calculator.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-calendar.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-characters.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-classic-session.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-clocks.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-color-manager.x86_64 3.36.0-4.fc34 gnome-contacts.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-control-center.x86_64 40~beta-5.fc35 gnome-control-center-filesystem.noarch 40~beta-5.fc35 gnome-desktop3.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-disk-utility.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-font-viewer.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-initial-setup.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-keyring.x86_64 3.36.0-6.fc35 gnome-keyring-pam.x86_64 3.36.0-6.fc35 gnome-logs.x86_64 3.36.0-4.fc34 gnome-maps.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-menus.x86_64 3.36.0-4.fc34 gnome-online-accounts.x86_64 3.38.0-2.fc34 gnome-online-miners.x86_64 3.34.0-6.fc34 gnome-photos.x86_64 40~beta-2.fc35 gnome-remote-desktop.x86_64 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-screenshot.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-session.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-session-wayland-session.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-session-xsession.x86_64 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-settings-daemon.x86_64 40~beta-2.fc35 gnome-shell.x86_64 40.0~beta-4.20210304git7a57528bd.fc35 gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-shell-extension-background-logo.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-shell-extension-common.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-shell-extension-launch-new-instance.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-shell-extension-places-menu.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-shell-extension-window-list.noarch 40.0~beta-1.fc35 gnome-software.x86_64 40~beta-2.fc35 gnome-system-monitor.x86_64 40~beta-2.fc35 gnome-terminal.x86_64 3.38.1-3.fc34 gnome-terminal-nautilus.x86_64 3.38.1-3.fc34 gnome-themes-extra.x86_64 3.28-12.fc35 gnome-tour.x86_64 40~beta-4.fc35 gnome-user-docs.noarch 40~beta-1.fc35 gnome-user-share.x86_64 3.34.0-5.fc34 gnome-video-effects.noarch 0.5.0-5.fc34 gnome-weather.noarch 40~beta-1.fc35 plus mutter.x86_64 40.0~beta-3.fc35 Am I leaving out anything that I should mention ? I think Anaconda installed 1610 packages, with LibreOffice.chosen. Cheers, David Locklear Arcola, Texas, USA ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: A personal story - Rawhide related
I regret to inform you all that I borked my beloved beautiful install of Rawhide. All is not lost though, as I had planned to eventually do a new install eventually. I have Fedora 33 on my secondary NVMe and I am in it now. I had better sense than to reboot, but I had lost my internet connection, I think when I did a systemctl restart of the Network Manager.Who knows. It is all way above my paygrade. One issue that I was having was the transaction would not run the test ( meaning the packages would download but not update. )I could manually update them individually though, and I tried that for about two hours, until my internet connection dropped. I think that may be where I really screwed up, because I may not have got all the gnome packages updated. And I did not see the advice you all gave me, because my internet had dropped. ( In hindsight, I should have looked at my phone ) Another issue I was having, was I must have downloaded each of the 2200 plus packages a dozen times, as dnf could not remember that I had already downloaded them, as I tried to manually update them, but they did update individually. So when I boot into Rawhide now, I get the sad-face-emoji-screen ( sfes ? LOL ! ) after the whirly Fedora thing.It ask for a keyring password, and after entering that I have no idea what to do. Long story short, is that I have been semi-homeless for a while, and I was house-sitting tonight where they had an ethernet connection, and so I went to get my computer out of a rental-storage unit, where it had been since November. I was surprised it even booted, as we had a 4 day freeze, and the unit is quiet humid.I will likely have to put my computer back in storage tomorrow. But I will be back to fix it. Who knows, NVMe, may be obsolete by then. LOL ! David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: A personal story - Rawhide related
I seem to have lots of duplicate packages with the same name: one being F34 and the other F35. cat says I am on version 34, I want to get rid of any unnecessary 34 stuff and proceed to F35. To scare to reboot at this stage. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: A personal story - Rawhide related
Mr. Murphy, I got the F35 key installed. But somehow using that distrosync thing, I think I have a bunch of F33 packages. Also, somehow I need to disable the F34 stuff. I haven't figured that out yet. I think my first problem was that I was trying to import the key using sudo and not as root. Thank you. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: A personal story - Rawhide related
Thank you Mr. Murphy. rpm would not install the F35 key as you suggested. so dnf would not offer the system-plugin-upgrade, nor offline distrosync, etc. I will keep tinkering with it. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: A personal story - Rawhide related
Continued from previous post... The update gave me a readout of about a hundred-plus messages all appearing to be the same problem related to the F35 gpg key. For example: Public key for kernel-5.12.0-0.rc2.20210309git144c79ef3353.166.fc35.x86_64.rpm is not installed. Failing package is: kernel- 5.12.0-0.rc2.20210309git144c79ef3353.166.fc35.x86_64 GPG Keys are configured as: file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-34-x86_64 My computer rebooted without the updates installed. I presume I need to find that file and change the number 34 to 35.Is that all there is to it ? Or is there a simpler way ??? Cheers, David Locklear Arcola, Texas, USA > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
A personal story - Rawhide related
I have been away from my computer for unexpected circumstances since about mid-November.I have several Linux distros each on their own SSD, installed on a desktop computer, but my primary NVMe has Rawhide. I had access to my computer today ( briefly ), so decided to run an update on a very slow ethernet connection. I have not hit "ok" yet, but I am about to. The readout says, 2163 packages to update, and 80 new to install, and three to remove, and three with conflicts and three with broken dependencies. I guess I should take up religion, before hitting the "Y" key. Right ?? I think my secondary NVMe has Fedora 33 WS, but I probably won't get a chance to look at that today. As I was typing this the Gnome updater, updated 21 applications, I think. Which means, that it updated dependencies for those applications. Right ?? Cheers, David Locklear Arcola, Texas, USA ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
newbie question
At this present state of Fedora 34 and Rawhide, I see almost the same exact packages getting the same bumps in version numbers, with only the suffix "fc34" and fc35" being the difference. 1 )Does this just mean that the identical packages are stored on the server in a different directory ? 2 )Are there any notable differences in the two products at this point ? I assume that since there is Fedora 34 beta-freeze approaching, that Rawhide will in the coming week or weeks have differences that are more noticeable. Right ? If so, which ones ? the kernel ?? git versions of certain packages ? On a personal note, I will likely use Fedora 34 as my only operating system, and no longer use Rawhide, as I feel my brain-capacity has been maxxed-out, with whatever I had hoped to learn from the Rawhide experience.I will likely have several Fedora 34 SSD's with different DE's. That all being said, for the time being I am sadly away from my computer, having to do things on my phone, and a Chromebook. Cheers, David ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Rawhide F34 observation
My two-cent opinion. Disclaimer: I really do not know diddly. Fedora should release a new ISO called "Fedora Gnome 40" that has only the very latest Gnome stuff. This could include GTK packages not pre-installed in Workstation 34.Maybe even use Rawhide repo ? and then ship Workstation 34 with Gnome 3.38 stuff, that has been thoroughly tested. I have not tried the GnomeOS iso by the Gnome project. David Locklear Arcola, Texas USA ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
A newbie Rawhide question
I have not had access to my Linux computer for 5 weeks due to some personal issues. ( I am not in jail, LOL! but still married, which is probably worse ). But every day, I try to read the Rawhide reports and look for subtle easy things that I feel I need to learn, all of which are way way over my 72 I.Q. For example: In todays Rawhide email, the package below was compiled for fc34: Package: mingw-libidn2-2.3.0-3.fc34 Old package: mingw-libidn2-2.3.0-3.fc33 Summary: MinGW Windows Internationalized Domain Name 2008 support library RPMs: mingw32-libidn2 mingw32-libidn2-static mingw64-libidn2 mingw64-libidn2-static Size: 549.89 KiB Size change: 54 B First question: Why would size change 54 B ?I think I read somewhere that tiny fluctuations happen during a re-compile. Right ? Second question: Why did file-version not change ? I assume because no code changed. Right ?? I would be interested in reading a weekly or bi-weekly or monthly "story" that was interesting to read about what Rawhide offers that 33 does not, or something along those lines.Like which packages had a huge update, or why a git-version was replaced with a stable-version, etc. Cheers, David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
I have been getting this message for about two or three weeks, but have just ignored it. Is there anything I can do on my end to fix it ? Problem: package corectrl-1.1.1-2.fc34.x86_64 requires libbotan-2.so.16()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed - cannot install both botan2-2.17.1-1.fc34.x86_64 and botan2-2.16.0-1.fc34.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package corectrl-1.1.1-2.fc34.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package botan2-2.16.0-1.fc34.x86_64 Package ArchitectureVersion Repository Size Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): botan2 x86_64 2.17.1-1.fc34 rawhide 2.0 M David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: some Rawhide feedback
My reboot seemed to work fine.What test should I run to see if it is not behaving nominally ? ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
Rawhide updated on my install today, below is something that looks like an error message: Cleanup : glibc-all-langpacks-2.32.9000-14.fc34.x86_64 75/78 Cleanup : glibc-common-2.32.9000-14.fc34.x86_64 76/78 Cleanup : glibc-langpack-en-2.32.9000-14.fc34.x86_64 77/78 Cleanup : glibc-2.32.9000-14.fc34.x86_64 78/78 Running scriptlet: glibc-all-langpacks-2.32.9000-15.fc34.x86_64 78/78 Running scriptlet: kernel-core-5.10.0-0.rc3.68.fc34.x86_64 78/78 sort: fflush failed: 'standard output': Broken pipe sort: write error gzip: stdout: Broken pipe gzip: stdout: Broken pipe sort: write failed: 'standard output': Broken pipe sort: write error Running scriptlet: glibc-2.32.9000-14.fc34.x86_64 78/78 Verifying: kernel-5.10.0-0.rc3.68.fc34.x86_64 1/78 Verifying: kernel-core-5.10.0-0.rc3.68.fc34.x86_64 2/78 Verifying: kernel-modules-5.10.0-0.rc3.68.fc34.x86_64 3/78 Any reason, why I should not reboot yet ?? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some newbie Rawhide feedback
I am enjoying Rawhide on my new Gigabyte B550 Vision D, with the Ryzen 5 3600XT. Today after an update, I sensed that Firefox was a little weird. It hung up twice, and the second time, I had to power-off the switch at the PSU. I mostly just run an update, surf the web, play a game of FreeCell or Mahjongg, send some emails, and then boot into my SSD with Fedora 33. Occasionally, I will do the same with OpenMandriva both their Argon and Cooker versions using their zen kernel compiled with clang, and I have another SSD with the testing version of GhostBSD, but I am stuck with VESA graphics on that, and that operating system barely works on my new hardware. Just trying to learn and compare, and expand my knowledge of it all. I do not have much time to play on the computer now, as 2020 is kicking me in the groin. Thanks for all your hard work. Looking forward to the rc3 kernel in a few days. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Rawhide question ?
Has Rawhide ever passed a gating-check ? I have seen about a hundred emails saying the next iso did not pass a gating-check. That is kind of annoying. It seems it would be more appropriate to only post a comment about the gating-check when it finally passes, and then I guess have a virtual-toast with a special rare Red wine. On a related note, I have about 10 hours now comparing Rawhide in Fedora to Cooker in OpenMandriva ( on hardware ). Their Cooker, is a desktop install, with way too many apps preinstalled like Kwikdisk, Spectacle, Midnight Commander, etc.And they come with several Epson and Canon printer drivers, and most of the codecs. They have one guy doing a mass-build, and their server apparently goes down occasionally. And they focus on KDE, and no longer have an LXQt maintainer, but ironically have someone working on the DE, "Lumina," and a new DE that does not launch called "Liquidshell." But they are enthusiastic that their Cooker iso is compiled with clang, and that they offer a zen-optimised kernel, called znver1. Their calamares installer worked well, but did not offer btrfs ( I did not try to manually partition ). Please email me privately about that.If I see anything new or relevant, I will post it at: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/related-to-openmandriva/24261/2 David Locklear Novice Rawhide user ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Rawhide update
I hope the web-browser crashing ain't my computer, because I have the same problem in Gnome Web. And I have not had much luck using Ephemeral with YouTube. And I never could get some videos online to play in Chromium. Haven't tried Chrome yet. On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 7:45 PM David wrote: > Unfortunately, the problem I am experiencing is in Fedora 33 also. So > unless > it is a hardware problem of mine specifically, it is not a kernel problem. > > I am in Gnome Web now to see how it does. > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 6:39 PM David wrote: > >> Firefox is locking up and I have to turn off power-supply. >> >> I do not know if this is due to the kernel update or something else. >> >> I just built this computer a few hours ago using questionable >> parts. >> >> So I will stay in Fedora 33 for a few days, and see if there is any >> similar problem. >> >> >> David Locklear >> > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
not really Rawhide related
I just updated Rawhide and all is swell. What is unique about this ( at least for me ) is that I removed my NVMe out of my new Ryzen 3 computer, and put it in a newer computer that I built a few minutes ago ( using a Ryzen 5 3600XT using the new Gigabyte Vision D B550 motherboard. ) I really like this new motherboard, much more so than my ASUS X570-F Gaming. I fried my old Ryzen 3, by installing fancy braided power cables in my case that were not the same pin-arrangement as my Corsair PSU. I do not know if I damaged the old motherboard, but chose to get a new one and the Ryzen 5 and re-use everything else.After 30 minutes, things look good so far. I just updated the BIOS. Three hottest temperatures of entire system ( according to "sensors" ) Tctl: +47.1°C Tdie: +47.1°C Tccd1: +34.2°C while watching YouTube, but I have a huge case with just lots of fans. I also removed my Fedora 33 NVMe from the secondary slot from the old motherboard and will be checking that out next. I have been using my newer computer for about an hour.Surely, by now I would have known or detected if I had earlier fried the re-used components ( graphics card, PSU, memory, case power-switch, NVMe's, etc. ). I hope to upgrade those again someday, but don't want to in 2020. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
snap question
I wanted to try to learn something about snaps, so I installed what is written below: sudo snap install mate-wayland --edge --classic But in the log-in screen, I switched to the MATE desktop environment, and just got a bunch of gibberish on the screen. I tried to do the same with LXQt snap version, but it does not have a x86_64 version to install. Do any snap versions of Desktop Environments work in Fedora ? I have not yet researched if there are other ways to install a desktop environment, like Flatpak or Appimage. I am in Rawhide, if that matters. And on a not-so-related note, in order to get to gdm, I have to first go to Gnome environment, and then log out.I haven't been able to get gdm during the boot-up process for about two weeks. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
corectrl and dependency conflict
During dnf update today in Rawhide, there was an error about libotan-2 and botan2 regarding corectrl Here is the readout: Problem: package corectrl-1.1.1-1.fc34.x86_64 requires libbotan-2.so.15()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed - cannot install both botan2-2.16.0-1.fc34.x86_64 and botan2-2.15.0-5.fc34.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package corectrl-1.1.1-1.fc34.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package botan2-2.15.0-5.fc34.x86_64 Package ArchitectureVersion Repository Size Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): botan2 x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc34 rawhide 2.0 M ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
Today's update went smoothly for me. gdm updated, but the boot-up process still goes straight from boot-up to gnome having only to authenticate, to begin work. D.L. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
After the update today, I no longer have to do the "enforcing=0" maneuver. However, I now no longer get the login-screen, and instead go straight to gnome with a dialogue to authenticate. I have Rawhide on the motherboard's primary NVMe and Fedora 33 Beta on the secondary NVMe. Both updated fine. I assume that all the packages that I have with Fedora 33 Beta now, is really close to what the final version will have. Right ??Is there anything I need to do to the Beta version, as I move forward ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: some vague Rawhide feedback
Mr. Sieb, and others, Thank you. I know how to do the enforcing=0 thing now. Where does one begin to learn what that menu does without getting too deep into it all ? I would be making an assumption that this is a script that controls grub or a block of grub entries. Right ?Are the lines called parameters or settings ? And this procedure is just used to bypass gdm.Right ? Would this allow someone to access my computer without my password ? I did not have to enter a password the second time I did this. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some vague Rawhide feedback
Today's Rawhide update went smoothly for me. ( Xorg, kernel, etc. ).Goodbye and so long and hasta la vista, to kernel rc7. My kernel, and also the two back-up kernels, are iterations of rc8. I still have the super-annoying gdm / selinux thing. I do not yet know how to do the "enforcing=0 thing," but I will try to learn that this week.I may have done it once before, but I forgot. No big deal for me.I now have Fedora 33 Beta ( updated ) on my other NVMe. One of my interests, is how does newer hardware perform on Linux distros - especially on Fedora. The local electronic store where I live has a new selection of NVMe's to choose from, allegedly having much faster speeds.I can imagine that someday, I will possibly replace my NVMe's and if so, will try to post how the newer ones perform using Fedora. On a related note, my memory speed seems to be stuck at 2733, ( that may be due to my Ryzen 3 cpu ?? ). I am only saying, that I want to post emails whenever I do an upgrade about anything that users might be interested in.I started with a cheap Ryzen 3 cpu, because that seemed to be a good base to get a feel for things.I am anticipating a "fire sale" on Ryzen 2600's in the coming weeks or months. Cheers, David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some feedback on Fedora 33
I just installed the latest unofficial nightly version of Fedora 33 Workstation, using the "Everything Boot" iso. I am in it now writing this email, and have spent about 30 minutes surfing the web, and tinkering with settings. The only thing unusual about this install was that this was my first ever to do a motherboard's second NVMe drive. See link below: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hzl0bp3jkdwyby4/IMG_0314.jpg?dl=0 That link shows an Inland brand NVMe. My motherboard is an ASUS X570, which I bought hoping for some future-proofing, and that B550 was not yet available, and especially that B550 is not yet economical, and I wanted a premium motherboard with no wi-fi. I did an update and installed htop, and set up a third-party repo, and installed ffmpeg and vlc, and that seemed to resolve the age-old issue of watching a certain kind of video format. htop shows over 3 GB of RAM being used. I do not think my Rawhide install was ever that high. I will likely hop back and forth from Rawhide to 33 and look for things that might be of interest to mention. I might also drop in a NVMe riser-card and do an install of other isos, as I have little experience with the other DE's in Fedora. I tinkered a little with Plasma and LXQt only and about a year ago, but they just were not my thing. Does anyone out there run into any issues running multiple DE's on one install ? On a related note I have never been able to figure out the Sway desktop environment ? Email me privately, if you have any tips on that. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Anyone having a gdm issue ?
I mentioned yesterday, I was having a gdm issue. I was able to get back into my Rawhide graphical environment, and ran yesterday's update. I rebooted, and still have the gdm issue.Meaning I have to hit Crtl-Alt-F2 while in gdm, and then login in and then type "startx." I have no idea yet how to fix gdm, but that will be my weekend goal.I can't just delete gdm and re-install it. Right ?? because gnome-shell is a protected package.Right ?? I doubt I need to do a re-install. But I will take this time to burn an iso image of the latest 33 nightly, and maybe put that on my other NVMe drive, which is currently empty. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a newbie question about Rawhide
I am excited to report that my Rawhide install finally borked, and now I am faced with either trying to learn how to fix it, or starting over from scratch. I had been away from my computer for about 24 hours, and my last memory was that I shut it down before I left. The motel maids might have inadvertently unplugged it in order to vacuum. I do not think I have any automatic updates set up. The problem appears to be simple.GDM is not working right.It displays my full name instead of my username, and there is no place to click after I type in the password. It does not recognize my password in GDM. In System Recovery, I can get to root, but I do not know how to fix things there. Is that the same as the tty or is the system-recovery terminal a different way of accessing the ways to fix it. I would assume there is a simple way in terminal to bypass GDM. Ironically, these kind of things always happen when I am stressed for time. Worse case scenario, is I will install Fedora 33 nightly, but I do not have an easy simple way to make the iso image.Making that iso image had been on my list of things to do this week. I still have my iso image USB stick from when I installed Rawhide about a month ago. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
sort of related to Ryzen 3 performance and Rawhide
This is just some positive hardware feedback, from a newbie perspective. I have a gigantic pc case with lots of air-flow and fans. As I type this in Gmail via Firefox with a YouTube video playing, my Ryzen 3 1200AF's temperature hovers between 30.25 to 32.50 degrees Celsius but mostly around 30.50 ( this was after the BIOS allegedly boosted CPU by 6%, because I told it that I have a tower-style air-cooler. ) Room temperature 22.78. The cpu core speed fluctuates wildly between 1365 to 2172 MHz, but mostly in the 1400's. [ according to cpu-x graphic utility ] I do not know yet how to check other temperatures while in Fedora. BIOS says the motherboard temperature is 30 degrees C. I have no clue what I am doing, but I plan to tinker with the fans, meaning re-arrange them, add some more, etc. in the coming weeks. I do not yet see the point of wasting money on a water-cooler for my set-up, but I want to do it someday in a future upgrade, just for the learning experience.In the meantime, I am going to watch some YouTube videos, and maybe look into getting a smaller case or newer one. Mine is so 2015. LOL ! David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
various topics
My install of Rawhide went smoothly today. https://www.dropbox.com/s/yg08wi8f9abckg1/Photo%20Oct%2003%2C%208%2008%2045%20PM.jpg?dl=0 I see a stable rpm 4.16 replaced the rc-version.Is that a major milestone ? Does that mean Rawhide is more stable than it was in previous months ? I tinkered with Krita 5.0 pre-alpha as an appimage, after rebooting, and all seems to work pretty good. Ephemeral web-browser is now in the fc34 branch, but you all do know that it ask for a donation.I only used it for a few minutes and it seemed to work ok. Icecat too, is in the fc34 branch, and I installed that too.However, my newbie attempts to learn IceCat have been an epic-failure. I got as far once as the password dialogue-box in Gmail, but could not get that far in YouTube. And trying to click on one of the popular risque web-sites gave a list of a hundred things that needed to be clicked on and I gave up. IceCat did partially load every page I tried. ( But that is for another topic ).I can vouch that IceCat is not for Linux newbies. I will try to learn IceCat someday. Thank you all for your advice, tips, and hard work. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
sort of Rawhide related
My install of Rawhide had a nice update today. Below is just a screenshot showing two appimages running that I recently briefly mentioned.The beta version of Krita and Firefox. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ri1m0uyuyr4jhz/Rawhide_9-30.png?dl=0 Along with some read-outs from inxi showing the rc7 kernel and mesa 20.2.0 along with my hardware specifications. htop looks normal with the YouTube video playing, but I didn't show it. I think somewhere on the internet, it should say that newbies should not use appimages for their web-browser, as my experience with that has been negative. But for tinkering with this beta of Krita, appimages seems like a good idea, but not for people new to Linux, at least not in 2020. However, they are no harder to use than a printer-driver, maybe even easier, than a printer-driver. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: a user question
Is Ferdora a fork of Fedora ? Just kidding Hello David, > > A good place to discuss things about Fedora is > discussion.ferdoraproject.org. It is a forum designed specifically for > this type of content > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a user question
I have posted several emails in the past few months, that were personal in nature about my experiences with Rawhide, and various Fedora concepts or software, instead of posting about any specific way to correctly use Fedora, or to fix a bug, or to report a bug. It has been pointed out to me that I should write these post in a different forum. I could write them in my blog, but nobody would read that. As an example, today was my first day to tinker with appimages and obviously my first time to tinker with them in Fedora, and in my case on Rawhide. My first experience with appimages was unpleasant.But at the same time, I got to use the latest versions of two applications, Krita and Firefox. I am in the Firefox 81.0 appimage right now and have been for most of the evening.I had a few moments were I could not print and a few moments it seemed to have crashed.I think some of the settings vanish when I close it and re-launch it. Is there a place on the list-server where users can rant about things in Fedora, and even complain about things. The folks advertising appimages say it is the best invention since sliced-bread. But when I looked on the appimage hub, I did not find any applications that I wanted to run. It would seem using appimages in Rawhide is a good example of how they can be used, as running the executable file doesn't affect the operating system, and the developers of Rawhide don't have to worry about repackaging Golden Dictionary. ( I could not get that one to work as an appimage ), but Rawhide seems to have the most recent version. I now have about 40 man-hours running Rawhide on a Ryzen 3 1200AF ASUS X570 computer.No issues to report. David Locklear a novice user of Rawhide as my only operating system ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
sort of Rawhide related / Brother printer
I have about 4 man-hours of usage on a new Ryzen 3 computer, using the latest unofficial iso of Rawhide ( Workstation ). Check out my wallpaper: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9c9iyf3k7pac9z5/Davids_Rawhide_34.png?dl=0 The terminal shown is just to show that I am in Rawhide ( and as my only operating system ) I have had some printer issues. Although my Brother laser-printer was detected, and it would print a text or letter, it would not print photos, but would instead print gibberish until all the paper in the printer was spent. I wasted a whole lot of paper. And spent a lot of time removing the toner-cartidges to remove paper jams. So I followed the instructions on Brother's website, downloaded the driver. Gnome Software ( or something ) automatically installed it with just one click. But I began to lose another pile of paper. So I downloaded the Brother "driver installer tool" and followed all those bizarre instructions about going to terminal, running a bash command, and most difficult of all was deciphering what to do with the URI number. Whatever I did, did not seem to work, so I finally tried # 14 I think, and typed in the IP Address. The printer now works on my motel's wi-fi network, so lets hope I can live in this motel for the remainder of my life, and beyond like Adam Maitland and his wife Barbara ( those poor deceased souls in the movie "Beetlejuice," LOL ! ) But now In the Printer Settings, I have two Brother printers.One says CUPS and the other doesn't. I think only the CUPS one works. So I tried to delete the other, and I forget what happened, but I think I had to repeat the above procedure all over again.I promise you that my I.Q. is not high enough to understand printing troubleshooting in Linux. I can not remember if I have ever done this before, as I think I have always used a USB printer.Please forgive me, but I have a lousy memory.[ I should run for President of USA. ] On a different note, I purchased a Power Color 5500XT graphics card used at Microcenter Store, for around $ 129 plus tax.The app, "CPU-X" alleges it is running at 32 degrees C.I have one case-fan in the top of the case blowing intake towards the graphics-card. However, I think that is pushing hot air down towards the PCH-fan. I am going to test that by, reversing the upper case-fan, as the PCH-fan is spinning a bunch.[ Where can I go to see how much it is spinning while I am watching a video in YouTube in Firefox ? ] I was trying to look at some of the Rawhide software version numbers. xwayland seems to be a little behind Arch, I think. But ahead of Arch in mesa. I have never tried Arch, so I do not know anything about it.But they have an awesome package-search tool right on the front page of their main web-site. My installed kernel is 5.8.0-1.fc33. Is that correct for Rawhide ?? This is my first time to ever run an operating system on an NVMe and also to ever run one on an expensive motherboard. My definition of expensive is anything over $ 150 USD. I will install an add-in wi-fi card ( that I have never used ) and I will hopefully be trying that. The product advertises that it is compatible with Linux. That was the reason I chose a motherboard that did not have wi-fi.My experience with onboard wi-fi with Linux has been a nightmare, or more like my marriage. I am typing this email in Firefox 78.0.2, ( which I think came pre-loaded ) using Gmail, using a Roccat keyboard and a Kensington trackball.My monitor is a cheap Samsung that I bought many years ago.I hope to upgrade that someday. I do have a HP printer, but have not yet had a chance to hook it up.I also have another mono Brother laser-printer, that I think is USB only, and I have used it a bunch in my previous Rawhide installs. Off-topic: I am currently living in a hot-sheet motel in the town of Houston, Texas, USA. for at least the next 3-1/2 days. It is a clean motel, but with a few crack-dealers and meth-heads, troublemakers, etc. The COVID concerns here ( with 28,000 peole allegedly still infected ) and the intense anti-police hysteria, and former Hurricane Harvey and the recent Hurricane Laura, and a recent car-engine replacement and an estranged wife and teenager, and some health concerns, have all wiped me out. I have no idea where I am living on Thursday, and beyond, or if I will have any work, or if the gov't will send me free money.It is all very unsettlingly, but having access to a good Linux computer takes away some of that drama.I get a warm-fuzzy feeling when Rawhide has a big update. Thank you to all who work on that. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-c
sort of Ryzen 3 related / Rawhide too
I just built a new computer today and only reused my old case. I had earlier posted on the User Forum for suggestions on recommended hardware, and I chose a new Ryzen 3 1200 AF ( which is allegedly a refresh of the older 1200 making it almost a 2600, I think ). Based on about an hour of usage with Rawhide, I can say that my initial impression is that Ryzen 3 is similar to an Intel i5 3470 from about 5 years ago.However, my CPU temp ( according to CPU-X program or app ) reads only 32 degrees celsius, with several applications and YouTube running. My trackball and software installed feels snappy, and htop looks normal. I installed Gnome Usage, and it looks normal. I am not sure what hardware I specs would be of interest to the readers on the forum, but everything was inexpensive, except for the motherboard.I splurged a little on the NVMe drives and the power-supply, and a giant Noctua cooler. In theory, I could take the graphics card back to the store and buy a fancier 5700XT, but I do not yet do any gaming. My next project is to add some more fans to my case.And spend some time learning more about Rawhide. Unfortunately, I am not in stable place in life at the moment, to focus on non-essential things. Someday, I could upgrade the cpu.It would be silly to upgrade the memory, but I think I might can learn how to adjust the frequency, and do a tiny bit of over-clocking. I have never done any of that. I believe the RAM is rated at 3200, but it would only run stable at 2733. I do have the latest BIOS ( # 2608 ) My case is a giant Thermaltake intended for server use, but I picked it up a few years ago cheap on clearance, and it is very easy to access the components. I have a couple of fans in the case, and hope to add more. Motherboard is ASUS X570-F Gaming. I would recommend going with at X550 for the passive chipset cooling.Feel free to correct me on that. Rawhide seems to be working as good as my previous experiences with Rawhide. I have not yet had a chance to set up my computer to get anything done, but I did surf the web, and play FreeCell, and send this email. In summary Rawhide works on an NVMe, on a X570 motherboard, with Power Color 5500XT ( 4 GB ). And the latest iso seemed to work okay, ( but for me, the media test did not pass. ) For the record, I created the bootable Rawhide USB using a Chromebook. That was confusing, but it can apparently be done, even by someone with a I.Q. as low as mine. Someone should verify how to do that properly, and post a video on YouTube. I do not feel I have the cojonas to do that. I created the BIOS flash update USB on the Chromebook too.I had hoped to do all that in the LInux container, but it was not necessary, but just really confusing. David Locklear Arcola, Texas USA ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Request for Fedora QA team information
Hi, The Fedora Council is working to update the Team Directory in the council-docs project. Part of that is reviewing the teams we have documented and if the information is correct. The Fedora QA Team is currently listed here: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/engineering/ We are asking for teams to fill out this template so we can have a more consistent listing for team information: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/blob/master/f/engineering/modules/ROOT/partials/TEMPLATE_team_info.adoc Can you complete this template and send it to me via email (I am trying to collect and update the engineering team entries)? If you no longer wish to have the team listed in the council-docs, that's fine too. Here is information about what we are trying to accomplish with the Fedora Team Directory: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/procedures/team_directory/ If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks, -- David Cantrell Red Hat, Inc. | Boston, MA | EST5EDT ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
AMD Ryzen purchasing question
Sort of related to RAWHIDE I am building a new computer next week, and already have a new fancy X570 motherboard and all - just lack the new cpu finally. One of the things that I hope to do, is report my experiences living in RAWHIDE, as my one and only OS.I know you all have advised against that idea. I am a curmudgeon. My question isthis: Would Fedora listserve members be more interested in my RAWHIDE discussion if I purchased a Ryzen 9 ? I am willing to only use the refreshed Athlon - if that would be more interesting. But my X570 has lots of bells and whistles that would get inused or overlooked, if I do not use at least a Ryzen 7. Right ? If nobody cares, then I will just look for a good sale - which is likely going to be the Ryzen 5 3600. I do not feel qualified to be a tester, and have little spare personal time, and I do not work in a computer related field, nor have any skills - other than desire to learn. Chau or Ciao, David Locklear Arcola, Texas USA ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
@rawhide evince.x86_64 3.37.3-1.fc33 @rawhide evince-djvu.x86_64 3.37.3-1.fc33 @rawhide evince-libs.x86_64 3.37.3-1.fc33 @rawhide evince-nautilus.x86_64 3.37.3-1.fc33 @rawhide evolution-data-server.x86_64 3.37.2-2.fc33 @rawhide evolution-data-server-langpacks.noarch 3.37.2-2.fc33 @rawhide gdm.x86_64 1:3.37.1-2.fc33@rawhide gedit.x86_64 2:3.37.2-1.fc33@rawhide gsettings-desktop-schemas.x86_64 3.37.1-1.fc33 @rawhide mutter.x86_64 3.37.3-1.fc33 @rawhide nautilus.x86_64 3.37.1-1.fc33 @rawhide nautilus-extensions.x86_64 3.37.1-1.fc33 @rawhide orca.noarch 3.37.2-1.fc33 @rawhide simple-scan.x86_64 3.37.2-1.fc33 @rawhide mesa is at 20.1.2-1.fc33 wayland is at 1.20.8-1.fc33 David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
My last update, on my install, seems to work nominally. $ sudo dnf list installed kernel [sudo] password: Installed Packages kernel.x86_645.8.0-0.rc3.1.fc33 @rawhide kernel.x86_645.8.0-0.rc3.20200630git7c30b859a947.1.fc33 @rawhide kernel.x86_645.8.0-0.rc3.20200701git7c30b859a947.1.fc33 @rawhide Note: my kernel and the two back up kernels are iterations of the rc3 kernel. I have begun accumulating parts for a new computer. I only need a new cpu to have a functional new machine. But I won't have the money for the cpu for a while, due to unemployment. Probably getting a Ryzen 7, but I could wait and save up for the Ryzen 9.I play a whole lot of Aisleriot FreeCell and Gnome Mahjongg, and those use a lot of kilobytes. David Locklear Novice Rawhide user ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
On my install, today's update went nominally. My system seems to run fine on the rc3 version of 5.8.0. There is a new version of GnuCash. I need to learn how to use that program. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a question about git versions of packages
I am using Rawhide, and I am curious about the git versions of packages. For example, even though I have kernel 5.8.0-0.rc2, that kernel changes to the latest git version about every 3 days for me.Right now even my backup kernels are 5.8.0-0.rc2, but just an older git-version. I see about 10 other packages on my install that are git-versions. I plan to read and try to learn from the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git Anybody have any thoughts or suggestions in why some packages are git-versions and some are not ? Or any other thoughts that would be of interest to someone curious of this topic ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Some Rawhide feedback
I have been running "sudo dnf update" at least once per day for the past two weeks, and only had one update of any significance a few days ago. Yesterday, June 22, when I ran "sudo dnf update," the readout was "nothing to do." But when I powered off, it self-updated a whole bunch of stuff, and rebooted automatically. alsa, gcc, kernel 5.8.0-0.rc1.20200618gt, llvm, runc, firmware, hplip, cpp, grub2, etc. Everything seems to be working fine.Memory usage seems a little high, at 2.71 GB while watching YouTube. I tested sound with one of my favorite medieval music channels on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZoIks0Acdo David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Feedback on Rawhide
My install of Rawhide ( Gnome ) had a wonderful update today. Thank you to all those who labored over all that. kernel is now 5.8.0-0.rc1.20200617git69119673bd50.1.fc33.x86_64 That kernel seems to be okay on my hardware, meaning it rebooted, internet worked, keyboard, trackball, monitor, sound, YouTube, Firefox, etc. all worked as did before.Bashtop looked okay. When I opened bashtop, I got a dialogue box that said there is a new version of Bashtop.I am confused if it was saying that I was now using the new version or that there is an even newer version than the new one I was using. David Locklear novice Rawhide user ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Feedback on my Rawhide install
My install of Rawhide had a nice update today. I do not see how anybody could complain about the resource usage of Fedora 33 once it is released. Other than Firefox, the programs I use can be easily handled by a 5 year old computer ( Intel i5-3470 with DDR3 ). I did notice something new, but not sure if it is new. When I clicked on "restart" there was something in the dialogue box about new updates would be installed. Then as the computer was rebooting, there was a message about waiting for new updates, kind of like you see on other operating systems. Unfortunately, I have limited access to my computer, and it is about to get worse, unless I can find employment and a place to live with internet.I only mention that to explain, why I can't really be a Linux nerd, or provide better feedback. Would you feel guilty spending a government benefit check for unemployment to purchase a new motherboard instead of on something essential ? I think my conscious would not let me do that. But I would like to build a new computer later this summer. Probably a AMD B550 would be the practical choice. Right ?? David Locklear Novice Rawhide user ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
flatpak / KDE question
I have little experience if any with flatpaks on KDE. I just installed flatpak on my new Rawhide KDE The list below shows some of the dependencies: gnome-desktop3-3.37.1-1.fc33.x86_64 low-memory-monitor-2.0-4.fc32.x86_64 p11-kit-server-0.23.20-1.fc32.x86_64 pipewire-0.3.4-2.fc33.x86_64 pipewire-libs-0.3.4-2.fc33.x86_64 plasma-discover-flatpak-5.18.5-1.fc33.x86_64 xdg-desktop-portal-1.7.2-1.fc33.x86_64 xdg-desktop-portal-gtk-1.7.1-1.fc33.x86_64 xdg-desktop-portal-kde-5.18.5-1.fc33.x86_64 So there is the gnome-desktop and the xdg-desktop-portal-gtk in there. I assume that is necessary, in order to use flatpaks that were designed for gnome.Right ? Is there a way to make flatpak itself a flatpak ? Meaning to nest the dependencies in a 2nd level of sandboxing ? How is one to know that those dependencies above are not worse than what you would get if you just ran the software natively ?? David Locklear David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a question for Rawhide users ( Rawhiders ?? )
It looks or appears to me that many if not all packages in Rawhide are slightly more recent versions that the ones available via flatpak.I know some flatpaks also offer a choice of a nightly version. I was just wondering or pondering, which packages Rawhiders, prefer to run as a flatpak or vice-versa. Would Rawhide be more stable to run all available packages in flatpak ? Or is that too cumbersome ? Or does that defeat the purpose of testing packages ? I used flatpaks for over a year, but I am not yet a flatpak-lover, or flatpak-fanboy or whatever they call themselves. I do not really have a need for the extra-security of a sandboxed program. The number one thing about flatpaks that I like, is that they are so easy to delete, so I like to install a flatpak of a program that I am not familiar with. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
successful Rawhide KDE install
I just installed KDE using the Rawhide KDE Live iso 20200510.n.o. on a blank SSD as the only OS on my Intel i5-3470 machine. I have used KDE before ( but way over a year ago ), but never in Fedora. I tried it in OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, Mageia 6 ( developmental version ), maybe an old Kubuntu in 2017, and in the Developer's Unstable Edition of Neon. Install was boring, but some may like that. My only complaint was that it appeared to hang up at 100% installation for what seemed like two minutes. It should instead say 99% or something. I now have three different SSD's with Rawhide ( Xfce, Workstation, and this KDE ). I just played a game of FreeCell with kpatience 20.04.0-1.fc33, which is the version of numerous k-applications, although it looks like some are still 19.12.3-1.fc33 Plasma is 5.18.5-1.fc33 The Qt stuff is 5.14.2-4.fc33 The login-manager is sddm 0.18.1-5.fc33 systemd 245.5-2.fc33 Only one package updated after the install. KDE Frameworks ( kf5 packages ) are mostly 5.70.0-1.fc33 kernel is 5.7.0-0.rc4.20200508git79dede78c057.1.fc33, which will likely change in a day or two to something like: 5.7.0-0.rc4.202005011git##x###.1.fc33 I installed bashtop, and watched a YouTube video in Firefox 76.0.1. The resource usage was on par with Gnome. I did not see enough difference to want to switch to KDE just because it is or was allegedly lighter. I am not yet a fan of any desktop environment, and there are a bunch that I have never tried, or only briefly tinkered with almost 3 years ago. I installed krita and tried to make a sketch.Version was 4.2.9-2.fc33. It game an error message upon closing. David Locklear Novice Rawhide User 0.0.0.5 ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
sort of Rawhide related
Today's update on my install ( Intel i5-3470, desktop pc ), went smoothly. Bashtop looks good. In Inkscape, when I click on the version number, it also displays the date of that version ( May 1, 2020 ).That is interesting to me. I have a question about the rpm package set ( or stack ? ). I recall two years ago or more, that one or two distros ( OpenMandriva ?? ) had a different kind of rpm that was a fork of rpm. I recall that project was short-lived and ended. I think I read that it was from one of the developers that had earlier played a big role in the development of rpm. I am just curious if any of you knew what that was all about, and what all got resolved. And that since the original rpm is still getting updated, did any of the stuff from the other rpm make it into the current rpm. I assume there is going to be a Version 4.16 in the coming years. Right ? Or year ?? My version is: 4.15.90-0.git14971.11.fc33, which came in today's install, which looks awfully close to a 4.16.Right ? My only point here, is that I am trying to observe and learn and teach myself about version numbers, point-releases on git, Rawhide, etc. I have had several people tell me that I should not be using Rawhide - but that is not my goal. So instead, I will try to keep a low-profile and reduce my post to the list about my novice impressions of Rawhide. I will likely due a new install of Rawhide on a blank SSD next week, and try a DE that I haven't tried, or that I am not proficient at. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
On my install, the updates today appeared to go well. htop looks good I see some firmware options in gnome that I have not noticed before, however, I did not see anyway to update the firmware from the gui. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
Today's install and rc3 kernel look good.htop memory usage seems to be high. The list below is just to show a partial status of my install: It is just a list of some gnome packages, ( I simplified the list by removing the suffix, "x86_64" ). *$ sudo dnf list installed gnome** *Installed Packages* *gnome-abrt 1.3.1-1.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-autoar 0.2.4-2.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-backgrounds.noarch 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-bluetooth 1:3.34.1-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-bluetooth-libs 1:3.34.1-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-boxes 3.36.3-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-calculator 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-calendar 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-characters 3.34.0-2.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-chess 3.36.0-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-classic-session.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-clocks 3.36.0-2.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-color-manager 3.36.0-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-contacts 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-control-center 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-control-center-filesystem.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-desktop3 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-disk-utility 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-firmware 3.34.0-5.fc32 @rawhide * *gnome-font-viewer 3.34.0-3.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch 3.36.2-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-icon-theme.noarch 3.12.0-13.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-initial-setup 3.36.2-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-keyring 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-keyring-pam 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-logs 3.34.0-2.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-maps 3.36.2-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-menus 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-online-accounts 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-online-miners 3.34.0-2.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-photos 3.34.1-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-remote-desktop 0.1.7-3.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-screenshot 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-session 3.36.0-2.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-session-wayland-session 3.36.0-2.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-session-xsession 3.36.0-2.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-settings-daemon 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-shell 3.36.1-2.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-shell-extension-background-logo.noarch 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-shell-extension-common.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-shell-extension-horizontal-workspaces.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-shell-extension-launch-new-instance.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-shell-extension-places-menu.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-shell-extension-window-list.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-software 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-system-monitor 3.36.0-1.fc33 @anaconda* *gnome-terminal 3.36.1.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-terminal-nautilus 3.36.1.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-themes-extra 3.28-7.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-user-docs.noarch 3.36.2-1.fc33 @rawhide * *gnome-user-share 3.34.0-2.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-video-effects.noarch 0.5.0-2.fc32 @anaconda* *gnome-weather.noarch 3.36.1-1.fc33 @rawhide * I have no idea if this list is helpful to anybody. I am just using it to help me understand all the gnome packages. It looks like the gnomes-themes-extra needs some tender loving care. Could someone please explain what all those anaconda packages are for ? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some more Rawhide feedback
Today's update resolved the issue that I was having with no sound while on-line ( I do not remember if I checked to see if I had sound from native apps - sorry ).But the error symbol, I was getting is gone. htop looks good. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Rawhide related
On my Workstation install, today after powering my computer on, ( I do not think there was an update for the past 48 hours ), my computer seemed sluggish, especially Firefox. In the Gnome panel at the top right, and to the right of the internet connection symbol, was a white rectangle with a tiny triangular warning sign. There was no indication as to what this is, but clicking on it pulled down a menu, and the symbol was also on that menu, where I think volume normally is ( above microphone ). Volume was defaulted to zero, and adjusting it did not matter. Anyways, I have lost system sound, and have tried various things, but nothing so far has worked. I do not recall updating anything since I last used my computer yesterday. The only thing I did new, was I let the computer power-off automatically, after 60 seconds, instead of clicking "power-off." I have rebooted and used my computer, since I posted a question about "database disk image is malformed" a few days ago. I did an internet speed test, and that looked fine. htop looks okay. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a Rawhide error message
I do not think I have ever seen this error message before. Should I reboot, or wait for another update ? Verifying: userspace-rcu-0.12.1-1.fc33.x86_64 73/78 Verifying: userspace-rcu-0.12.0-1.fc33.x86_64 74/78 Verifying: kernel-5.7.0-0.rc1.20200414git8632e9b5645b.1.fc33. 75/78 Verifying: kernel-core-5.7.0-0.rc1.20200414git8632e9b5645b.1. 76/78 Verifying: kernel-modules-5.7.0-0.rc1.20200414git8632e9b5645b 77/78 Verifying: kernel-modules-extra-5.7.0-0.rc1.20200414git8632e9 78/78 Error: SQLite error on "/var/lib/dnf/history.sqlite": Reading a row failed: database disk image is malformed David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cura Lulzbot ??
D | Command line | Date and time| Action(s) | Altered 12 | install *-firmware| 2020-04-08 13:09 | Install| 74 On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:33 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-04-23 14:00, David wrote: > > This is probably a dumb question, but how did Cura Lulzbot get > > on my Rawhide install ? > > What does > > sudo dnf history list cura-lulzbot > > return? > > -- > The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. > ___ > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cura Lulzbot ??
This is probably a dumb question, but how did Cura Lulzbot get on my Rawhide install ? Is this planned to be the Fedora default 3D package, and is the plan to have it automatically install on Workstation.I do not recall clicking on anything.Maybe I did by accident ? 3D printing looks promising, but I can not imagine that I would ever be able to afford such a new hobby. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some simple Rawhide feedback
Today's update on my install went smoothly. htop looks good It seems odd to me, that the update updates the background package, but does not rename it f33. I assume that it must be far more complicated than simply renaming a file, and since I have no earthly idea how to code or make packages, I will not criticize, but simply state an observation. I assume most Rawhide users are going to have their own backgrounds if they are using Gnome. But just some dark blue images, would suffice to make it different from f32.Right ? I assume that the version of systemd, I have now, would not arrive in an Ubuntu distro, for six more months, or longer.And even longer in Debian Stable. Stay well, David Locklear Where I live, there is no Stay-at-Home-Order, nor Curfew, but most retail businesses have limited hours from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m, and quality of service is extremely lousy Our Jack-in-the-Box is open 24 hours, and it less than a kilometer away. I miss deviled-eggs, and I just ran out of ginger-beer and peanut M's.I am just living on a credit-card, which is almost maxxed-out, and have no idea how I will pay it off. I received a USA Federal Stimulus Check, but had to give it all to my estranged wife, and kid who live about an hour away.I see no light at the end of tunnel, as to when I will find a job. But Rawhide, offers me a ray of hope, and I get a warm fuzzy-feeling when I get a major update. So thank you all, for your hard work. Magnolia, Texas, USA ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: some Rawhide feedback
Correction htop is idling really low. 0.1 % on all four cores ( fluctuates between 0.0 and 2.0, with a spike of 3.2 sometimes) with memory at 847 MB ( Gnome ) The numbers obviously go up when Firefox is running, but YouTube really sent the numbers higher than what I think I normally see.( do not have a graphics card - just an Intel i5-3470.) D.L. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
This is just about my install and today's update. htop seems a little higher than usual. Goodbye to the crusty old 5.7.0-rc0 kernel. Shouldn't we all toast with our favorite beverage, when the no-longer-needed kernels are erased? Mine is cold ginger beer and my favorite brand is Fentiman's ( without lime ), but Barritt's will suffice. I learned this week what an FE is, thanks to Adam. I guess little by little, one can learn to speak Linux jargon, if their heart is in it. I self-taught myself to speak Spanish over a 30 year period, and I can now impress the Millennial waitress at Taco Bell, who surprisingly does not know what "salsa" is. What goes on in dnf during a "transaction check?" I would recommend that dnf word some things or items better, or at least provide an easy resource somewhere to explain things like "scriptlet." Why does the last item on the dnf update take so long to update? The one today was the kernel, and it took almost two minutes. However, I have an old CPU from the 2015 era. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 compose report: 20200417.n.0 changes
Could someone explain what is the difference here ? I think I read that even when building or compiling a new compose from the same exact ingredients, that you do not always get the same result. Is that what the point of this new compose is ? Or is it just a routine procedure, to show the daily compose results ? D.L. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Inkscape 1.0 rc1
For your information, Flathub, is still on the old version, 92.4, as far as I can tell. Fedora flatpak project has 1.0 beta 2 version. Rawhide has the new 1.0 rc1 and I just now installed it natively. The dependencies appear to all be the same as in the Version 32 directory, except for "graphviz." which has a slightly newer point-release in Rawhide. The link below is just a simple word-art using the rc1 of Inkscape 1.0. https://www.dropbox.com/s/l2esdhucaa37a24/inkscape%201dot0rc1.png?dl=0 I am sure all that info above will change quickly in the coming weeks. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
several Rawhide questions
Is it correct to say Rawhide updated today from version 33-0.3 to 33-0.4, and what does that mean ? Or does that update just mean the repo was renamed or renumbered, or something like that ? Is 33.-0.4 noticeably better than 33-0.3, or are the tiny incremental improvements and regressions nearly impossible to notice without a magnifying glass ? Question 4 & 5: I have only one gtk2 package on my system and it seems to be related to the anaconda installer. gtk2 version 2.24.32-7.fc32 Is this package for those users not installing Gnome ? Will it hurt to delete gtk2 if I am using the Gnome DE, or does GIMP and other things need it ? I am using flatpaks for most of my additional software. Question or observation 6: I assume the reason, that the backgrounds keep updating in Rawhide ( yet remain identical to version 32 ), is simply due to lack of man/woman-power. Right ? David Locklear Live on The Edge - Live in Rawhide on Hardware ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some Rawhide feedback
Today's update seemed to go smoothly. I think I would call this a typical minor update that happens about twice a week, or maybe three times per week ? As opposed to the larger weekly or bi-weekly update that has mesa, systemd, glibc, gcc, etc. The big news from my novice perspective, is no more stale old kernel 5.6.0 on my system.From here on out, I presume the 33 Ship starts to disembark and set sail from the 32 version, subtly and slowly, but with perserverance. Right ? only two fc31 files remain:TrouSerS and keybinder3 htop looks good. ( By the way, why does Fedora not ship with htop, or make it easier to install it during the install or at some point early on. ) Or do Fedorans prefer top ? Or is the correct term Fedorians ? Fedoranites ? Fedoranistas ? D.L. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
today's Rawhide update
Today's Rawhide update in Gnome was sweet. My install got the new Firefox 75, bringing in some alleged wayland improvements. An update to the hp printer driver, and a newer kernel, etc. htop looks good on my system. Firefox 75 seems to work okay. I installed the new IceCat having not used it in over two years, and have never really used it. YouTube worked, but you have to extra-click to get the html going. Another web-site with videos did not play. I do not know anything about all that video codec stuff. I assume this new IceCat is based on a much older version of Firefox, so I guess it is only of interest to the people needing free software.I assume that Icecat is better than the older version, so any improvements or progress to the free software movement is a good thing. more packages have the fc33 designation, so that is a good thing. GDM or gdm, for example. David Locklear P.S. I only spend about an hour a day on my desktop computer, and that is mostly watching YouTube, and playing FreeCell, so I apologize to those of you who are far far more advanced than I ever will be. I have not used Ubuntu or Linux Mint in way over 2 years, but did tinker with Debian Buster about six months ago. I lived in TrueOS as my only operating system for my hobby-business for about 4 months about two years ago. FreeBSD just was not my thing, but I hope to try it again someday. I only briefly tinkered with Manjaro and Antergos about two years ago, and maybe a week with some of the Exton distros like SlackEx. I lived in Mageia 6 ( Cauldron at that time ) and ROSA R11 for several months, before trying Fedora 30, I think. Some other distros I like are SparkyLinux 5, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, KDE Neon Unstable Developer's Edition. I have watched over 100 video reviews about distros on YouTube, by "Don't Call me Lenny," and others who were popular about 3 years ago. I have not done much of that lately. I check in with Eznix on YouTube sometimes, but he is a Debian guy.I posted a few of my own videos, but they had no sound. I would like to revisit that someday and make a beginner video about Rawhide. There are way over ten popular distros that I have not tried, and several alternative desktop environments, that I have not tried.I have only spent a few minutes playing with a tiling window manager.I read the news on Phoronix everyday.I spend at least an hour surfing the web on my Android smartphone that has a 6 inch screen.My kid and wife use Apple stuff, and a Chromebook. I have a nice Chromebook, but seldom if ever use it. All of my Microsoft stuff is collecting dust in the attic. I hope to try someday to get Fedora working on an old laptop, but that laptop needs a new battery. Life is so weird now. I have had very little human contact in the past 3 weeks. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
sort of related to Rawhide
Disclaimer: I do not know diddly about Rawhide I have about 3 hours of usage now, on my shiny sparkly new install of Rawhide Workstation. I did a "dnf list installed," and I see a package called "TrouSerS." It is still fc31. I guess that is no surprise to all of you. Two others that are still fc31 is "libqb" and "keybinder3." I haven't a clue what TrouSerS does, but looking at their website, it appears to have not had an update in 4 years. So I would assume that the only way to change it to fc33, is that whoever is in charge of that package, has to recompile it or some other fancy thing, and not just rename and move it. I guess my next question, is what happens if I delete this package ? so how do I find out if I need this package ? On a similar note, there is obviously still over half the files as fc32, and I know enough about Rawhide to know that is no big deal, and routine for most of the life of the cycle, or whatever it is called. Among those that are still fc32 is most of the qt5 stuff, and half the python3 stuff and all the cups stuff, are still fc32. I assume this is why I still need "fedora32-workstation-repositories 32-3.no-arch." All the big stuff is fc33, and that just gives me a tingly feeling. I see another reason now, that Linux users such as myself, should NOT use Rawhide, and that is that there are way too many repositories. Someone fairly new to Linux, especially even computer savvy newbies, should use a distro with just one repo, until they get their feet wet. Go ahead and tell me, that I should be using Fedora 32 Beta instead. I do plan to install Fedora 32, eventually, probably in June. This virus hysteria, as really put a damper on things here. I could very well be living in my car in about 22 days. I doubt that I can keep my internet turned on, so I will likely go on a hiatus, from Linux, and just use my Android phone, until that gets cut off. The good news is that I am only coughing about once per hour, and I am sleeping pretty good, so if I ever did catch the virus, my symptoms were likely just a week of coughing, which has happened to me several times per year, for 50 plus years. Stay well, and use Rawhide - live on The Edge David Locklear Novice Rawhide User 0.0.0.6 ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
sort of Rawhide related
I am a novice user of Fedora Rawhide. Today, I did a fresh new clean install ( on an cheap old SSD ) of Rawhide as my only operating system. I used the nightly compose finder, and chose "Workstation live" for X86_64, using the last good iso "20200325." This was probably my 5th time to install Rawhide on hardware in the past year or two. I have been using Xfce in Rawhide for over 3 months, and I was biased against it from the start, so I can not give a fair review. Fedora Xfce just seemed so 2016, even in Rawhide. The final straw was that Firefox 75 is coming out soon ( with better wayland improvements ), and I missed wayland. Xfce probably won't get wayland for a long time. Right ? I use a lot of gnome apps ( but in flatpaks ). One of the first things I do after an install, is play FreeCell in Aisleriot Solitaire to see if I "feel anything," as I have played this game about 1,000 times ( maybe 10,000, LOL ! ) Anyways, I updated the packages, turned on the available 3rd party repo, installed flathub,powered off, installed flatpak of Aisleriot, rebooted, just to test reboot, and then played a game, and here I am. I installed htop ( fc32 ) and, it all looks good from here. I surfed the web, watched YouTube. All is nominal and functional from that perspective. LibreOffice preinstalled. Utility apps are already all grouped together so that looks nice. I am sending this email using this new install. David Locklear Novice Rawhide User 0.0.0.5 ( inside joke ) System: ASUS Mini-ITX Intel i5-3470 with 16 GB of DDR3 at ~ 1,000 MHz ( approximately 5 years old, or more ) ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: some basic Rawhide kernel questions
Thank you all. I learned quite a bit today. That was super helpful. I had not taken into consideration the mirror-relationship to the timing of the release of a package like the kernel. I will need to learn lots more about mirrors, before digging in deeper. Now I see one reason that I do not need to be using Rawhide, and that is the debugging feature of the rc's. David Locklear Rawhide Novice 0.0.0.3 ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
some basic Rawhide kernel questions
As of today, my install still uses the version below for the kernel 5.6.0-0.rc7.git1.1.fc33.x86_64 ( and is running great, in my opinion ) But in today's Rawhide compose announcement of upgraded packages, the kernel was listed as upgrading to the newer kernel-5.7.0-0.rc0.git2.1.fc33 So I have several questions 1 ) Yesterday, I think I only got the kernel-header package. Is that the way this normally works. 2 )Does Rawhide never run on the stable version of the kernel ? 3 )What all goes into repackaging the kernel by the people tasked with doing that ? 4 ) How much different are the two kernels listed above ? 5 ) Does Rawhide use every tiny update on the git for the kernel, or does it sometimes skip one or two ? 6 ) Are there any other interesting insights related to this procedure ? I am just curious, and I am certain that the answers may be above my IQ, so please try to explain it all as simple as possible. I have used other developmental versions of distros, but this process does not take place in some of those.For example, even in the most unstable of the KDE Neon "Unstable Developer's Edition," the kernel never changes ( except maybe some kind of security update ?? ). I do not recall the kernel getting so many updates in Tumbleweed either.( Tumbleweed, is my second favorite way to use Linux, by the way. ) Thank you. David Locklear Novice Rawhide user ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Xfce Rawhide report
A personal usage report, Today's update was nice - mostly just kernel rc6 and grub packages. htop really looks the best I have seen in a while. Goodbye kernel rc4, it was nice knowing you. I would like to take this moment, to share with you all what is happening in my region in regards to the COVID-19 hysteria.I am on Day # 7 of being unemployed, and it looks like it could go on for weeks and have lasting residual effects once things return to normal, if they ever do. Lots of people are not taking it seriously, and instead of self-quarantining, they are having private gatherings. I was in a restaurant today and the waitress was coughing and a customer was coughing, and nobody was wearing gloves or mask, etc. That was The Last Supper though.From here on out, I will either have to eat take-out food, or travel 30 or 40 kilometers in search of food. That is if I can find money to buy food. My first option is to cancel my cell-phone account, and then my internet account, or vice-versa.But then how would I would I receive electronic payments for any work I do. I predict a whole lot of marriages or partnerships or civil unions, or whatever they are called now, are going to implode.I would not be surprised to see looting in the region by April, and people driving and texting about the virus, and dying by car-accident. I am also predicting in 9 months a surge in babies born and they will be called the Corona Babies, because people are so bored, they are giving up p*rn to have real s*x. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
A personal usage report
Xfce Rawhide related The last update went smoothly. I noticed, that I got an update to the whiskermenu-plugin I had never used the whisker menu, or if I did, it was in a distro three years that defaulted to that menu. That menu has received some attention recently. I had no idea what the difference was with the default menu, nor the purpose of the whisker menu. I had no idea how to install the whisker menu. But since Xfce gets few internal updates, I figured I needed to learn this. It looks like Fedora ships the plug-in pre-installed. So all one has to do is go to "Properties" on one of the menus and enable Whisker menu by clicking on a box, then click on remove the default menu. Then setup your whisker menu however you like it. I do not know if you need to logout, but I did. Do any Fedora users out there prefer the simpler default menu ? I think most distros ( that favor Xfce ), now default to the whisker menu. I think a new-user to Linux would be better served to have the whisker menu set up pre-installed as the other popular Xfce distros are doing. But since most Fedorans seem to prefer to set things up themselves, then maybe not. I was confused by the message that popped up "the menu will be permanently lost if you click yes." The procedure is confusing the first time, as I had to Google around the web for 30 minutes before I found where to enable the whisker menu. I do not think it is easily found in "Settings." David Locklear ( Unemployed without pay due COVID-19 hysteria, on Day #5 ) ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
flatpak related
A post from a novice user I still do not have a firm grip on the ideology, and usage of flatpaks. I think my Xfce install is default and all additional packages are flatpaks. Today, dnf told me to get rid of org.gnome.Platform 3.32 and 3.34 and install 3.36. I am not sure if I understood all that nor went about it right. So I just started over and removed all my all my flatpak stuff and reinstalled them. I do not believe a new Linux user would have any idea what is going on with all those procedures. I have been using Linux ( at a novice level ? ) for nearly three years, ( meaning I only do computer task that an average household user might do ) I know there is documentation all over the web, but it would have been helfpul had dnf included some more tips. One confusing part is all the different flatpak repos ( Do I use Fedora or do I use Flathub ).I started off about to use Fedora, but I kept seeing F31 on the repo, and so I figured the that if I chose Fedora, I might get older versions of some dependency or package. I am pretty sure that Xfce handles flatpaks in a different manner if you use the gui method ( unless you install the Gnome Software Center ?? ). I barely know how to use dnfdragora, and did not see an easy simple way to manage flatpaks with dnfdragora. I am leaning to the idea that a person's first experience with Linux should be with only the software their distro includes out of the box, and any software that they can graphically click on to add and remove. If that package is a flatpak, then their distro's gui tool, should have some kind of friendly pop-up saying what the heck is about to happen and why, or where they can go on-line for more juicy details. I still like flatpaks, and I like the idea that as much of the operating system is sandboxed as is possible. How hard would it be to pre-install LibreOffice as a flatpak or to allow the installer to ask the person doing the install if they want specific packages installed as a flatpak. GIMP, is certainly worth considering.Maybe some other packages too ? Feel free to correct me, criticize me, etc. Thank you for your time. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: a personal usage report - Rawhide Xfce
Stan, I am just trying to become as familiar with possible and to try to understand why Xfce fans still cling to Xfce. I assume Fedora ships Xfce without any tweaks. Other Xfce distros, change the menu, the panel, and add or remove apps or both. I do not think I would recommend Xfce in Fedora to someone who was not already a Linux user.So if you take that crowd of users, then why would they chose Xfce in Fedora when other distros take Xfce in another direction. I guess those that want to customize Xfce themselves and want the Fedora ( or Rawhide ) experience.While I might be able to eventually customize Xfce more to my liking, I think that maybe I would rather "someday" be in pure wayland / gtk3, less xwayland. Xfce is using around 837 MB, and 1.27 GB while watching YouTube in Firefox 74, while 21% usage on each of four cores of i5-3470. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a personal usage report - Rawhide Xfce
Today's update went smoothly. Goodbye to kernel-rc3 My install is now rocking the rc5 kernel. There were some updates to NetworkManager, Firefox, and a bunch of packages like gcc, that would have been a major update in the 100+ one-developer/maintainer distros. htop looks good Video playback, sound, keyboard, trackball, solitaire gameplay, etc. all seem to work as usual. One question I do have for the Xfce fans, is that if you install any Gnome packages, you end up with quite a few Gnome dependencies, in the on your system.So is there any point to using Xfce, if you plan to install some Gnome apps ? And is any of that Gnome stuff, considered cruft, to a die-hard Xfce fan ? Cause I can't live without my Gnome games, although I have most if not all as flatpaks. David Locklear Novice Rawhide user ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: a personal usage report - Rawhide Xfce
https://images.app.goo.gl/LsLV1yivBWCrw2ecA DDR3 ( 16 GB, ~ 1000 MHz ) One, 5-year-old LED monitor Intel I5-3470 .. Ironically, I own a nicer computer, but I had to put it way in storage to save it from my unpredictable moving around like a vagabond, in search of a place to live, after a hurricane hit my area. But I am okay now, assuming the COVID-19 epidemic does not effect my region. David Locklear On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 2:01 PM Ilyas Arinov wrote: > Hello, David! > What PC specs you run it? And how many displays do you have (connected)? > > Thanks. > > ср, 11 мар. 2020 г. в 00:30, David : > > > > Today's huge update went smoothly. > > > > I now have a very fancy backsplash image on my Xfce login.Kudos > > to whoever figured that one out.That was needed years ago. > > Although, the last backsplash image was okay. > > > > I think performance is faster, but I have not tinkered enough with it > > yet, to give a definitive answer. > > > > Let's just say it works.htop seems to agree. > > > > Goodbye kernel-rc3. My two backup kernels are rc4 git0, and git1, I > think. > > > > So far the 5.6.0 series has been good to me. > > > > I have about 10 man-hours of usage on systemd 245 and a bunch more on > > the rc-versions. So, I do not see anything on my end to complain > about. > > > > Kudos to all of you. > > > > David Locklear > > > > > > ___ > > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a personal usage report - Rawhide Xfce
Today's huge update went smoothly. I now have a very fancy backsplash image on my Xfce login.Kudos to whoever figured that one out.That was needed years ago. Although, the last backsplash image was okay. I think performance is faster, but I have not tinkered enough with it yet, to give a definitive answer. Let's just say it works.htop seems to agree. Goodbye kernel-rc3. My two backup kernels are rc4 git0, and git1, I think. So far the 5.6.0 series has been good to me. I have about 10 man-hours of usage on systemd 245 and a bunch more on the rc-versions. So, I do not see anything on my end to complain about. Kudos to all of you. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
my personal Rawhide install - flatpak related
For at least a week now, the flatpak site, "org.freedesktop.Platform," freezes up when I click, "Y." I have no idea what this means, other than some of my flatpaks are not updating. My personal experience with flatpaks has been bittersweet. I would not recommend them, nor snaps, nor appimage to first-time Linux users. There are numerous reasons for that, which I would think you all would know far more than I would. I would not really recommend them to anyone on a wi-fi signal, unless you have some 100 Mbps wi-fi, that is reliable. I can't speak for the super Linux nerds, but I would think they would not be crazy about having all your additional software as flatpaks, but I would be curious what their opinions are on that. I have notices some strange behaviour with flatpaks. In a simple game like Aisleriot Solitaire, I have noticed it performs differently, or maybe more poorly.I have already forgotten, but there were something annoying that may have caused me to just install it natively, as I play a game of FreeCell at least once per day.[ Sidenote: My obsession with that is likely left over addiction from W&*%&$! 95, probably.I guess by now, I have played 10,000 games of FreeCell. ( I wonder if in another dimension of time and space, Bill G8%%$ put Mahjonng on W&*%&$! 95, instead, and there is another me out there who is addicted to Mahjonng. ( Only played about 200 times ). ] Do you all know the reason that MS Pinball was not included in Windows XP ? They lost it. They could not find it. Some geek tried to port it or something a few years ago, and there is video on YouTube on how to install it. I personally think the pinball games from Windows were one of the coolest things about Windows, back in the 90's. I do not care for the free pinball games, although there are some good ones on the web.I have not even played real pinball in 20 plus years. To be continued. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
a personal usage report
Xfce on Rawhide on hardware Today's Rawhide update ( for me ) was almost comparable to what you would get when other smaller distros announce a new version, such as NetRunner, and probably much more than Neon. Right ?? My install updated to the new stable systemd, and the latest DXVK, and updated the rc4 kernel from git0 to git1, and llvm, and a bunch of other stuff that I have no idea what it is. Since I do not have Gnome or KDE installed ( or any Qt packages ), I do not get all the components, that other Rawhide users got today, and since all my additional software is all flatpak, my updates for those do not shop up in a "dnf update." I rebooted and spent an hour doing novice things. I do not know diddly about things, but it would seem Xfce is a good way to test certain things in Rawhide. I could live in Xfce on Rawhide, but I am still just experimenting with it, and plan to go back to Gnome someday. That being said, there is a really good video on YouTube showing how to run Xfce in WSL. He used Xubuntu, but I would like to learn how to do that using Fedora Rawhide. ( see channel "Novaspirit Tech." ) David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
question about Rawhide and the unofficial third-party repo
When Fedora 32 branches off Rawhide, does anything happen to the most popular unofficial third-party repo ? Does it branch off too ? I assume that process takes several days or weeks. Right ? Anyways, from what I can tell that repo works good now in Rawhide.I think I removed it for a week or two and recently reinstalled it. I guess while I am on this taboo topic. What is the proper etiquette for talking about this mysterious repo ?I hear people call it the official unofficial repo. LOL ! I do not want to get anybody's knickers in a wad. Does this forum allow for such heresy to talk about the specific repo and its proprietary packages ? I see some distros refer to these packages as "tainted." Is that just a polite way of saying, non-free ? On a related note, I have an empty PCI slot, I was saving for a graphics card, but I could instead add a fancy Linux-supported wi-fi card. Which one ? ASUS AC1200 ?? David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
my Rawhide wifi issue
I have scoured the web and my problem is or has been experienced by hundreds of Fedora users for many years, however, they were not using Rawhide. The crazy Broadcom ( BCM43228 ) problem is what I am referring to. On a related note, I installed an application from the repository called "wifi radar." Has anybody used this in the past few years ? It does not launch ( at least on my install, it does not ) I recall now the Red Hat guru, Davide Caratti, had some kind of wpa_supplicant thing, that I once installed and that I think allowed Fedora 29 to at list list my wi-fi router on the wi-fi list. But I have the latest wpa_supplicant installed. There are various thread relating to problems with wpa_supplicant. I hope to have a new computer in June, so it is no deal breaker.I mostly just want to learn how to fix it.In the meantime, ( or in April ) I will try various USB wi-fi dongles. Ironically, just about everybody in my neighborhood within a 200 meters, could link to my wi-fi signal now, but it is only downloading 48 Mbps, while the Ethernet I am on now is 116 Mbps. I have never ever had trouble with Ethernet in any Linux distro, thankfully.I just wish I could say the same thing for wi-fi, and printers and graphics cards. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: requesting wi-fi help
Thank you. I have akmod-wl and wpa_supplicant and broadcomm-wl and kernel-header and kernel-modulues and kernel-devel, kernel-core, kernel-modules-extras, and both free and non-free of the unofficial third-party repo. My recollection was, that there was a well-known developer who had a hack or something that you could download - something like dcarati ?? I think I did that once last year in another install of Fedora 29 or 30, and it worked, as far as getting the wi-fi device recognized Somewhere around the house, I have a USB wi-fi dongle, but the reason I do not have it readily available is that I once tried it and it didn't work either. I will say that when I was in Rawhide Gnome a few weeks ago, that my wi-fi was recognized ( enabled ?? ), but it would not connect. This Rawhide Xfce install is new and I have never installed all the stuff one needs to get wi-fi recognized ( or enabled ?? ). Meaning, the Network icon in the panel only shows Ethernet. David Locklear On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:16 PM Zachary Snyder wrote: > Hi David, you likely need akmod-wl as well as well as kernel development > headers > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:05 PM David wrote: > >> I am probably asking on the wrong listserve, but this is the only one >> I subscribe to. >> >> I have never used wi-fi in Fedora.I have normally had access to a >> Ethernet >> and all my previous attempts at wi-fi in Fedora have failed. >> >> So today, I purchased a router, and connected it to my cable-modem and was >> able to immediately use wi-fi on my $ 30 Android smartphone. >> >> But I can not for the life of me, figure out how to get wi-fi to work in >> Fedora. >> I believe I have third party repo properly installed. I believe I have >> Broadcom-wl >> and kmod-wl installed. >> >> I am in Xfce, which in my opinion has poor Network Manager menu compared >> to Gnome. >> >> I have used wi-fi on other distros before and my recollection was that it >> was not >> complicated. >> >> When I click on the Network icon in the panel, it does not show wi-fi. >> >> If I go to the Xfce menu to "Advanced Network Configuration," I get a >> menu that is >> above my IQ. >> >> David Locklear >> ___ >> test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > -- > Zachary Snyder > Application Developer | PL/SQL / Go / Python > Cell: 484-787-7897 > Email: sa...@fedoraproject.org > Work Email: zachary.sny...@pjm.com > ___ > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
requesting wi-fi help
I am probably asking on the wrong listserve, but this is the only one I subscribe to. I have never used wi-fi in Fedora.I have normally had access to a Ethernet and all my previous attempts at wi-fi in Fedora have failed. So today, I purchased a router, and connected it to my cable-modem and was able to immediately use wi-fi on my $ 30 Android smartphone. But I can not for the life of me, figure out how to get wi-fi to work in Fedora. I believe I have third party repo properly installed. I believe I have Broadcom-wl and kmod-wl installed. I am in Xfce, which in my opinion has poor Network Manager menu compared to Gnome. I have used wi-fi on other distros before and my recollection was that it was not complicated. When I click on the Network icon in the panel, it does not show wi-fi. If I go to the Xfce menu to "Advanced Network Configuration," I get a menu that is above my IQ. David Locklear ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 compose report: 20200306.n.1 changes
Oops, I meant, "n.0," not "n.2" On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 11:28 PM David wrote: > Could someone please explain what compose task or build procedures are > performed while creating this "n.1" version, that are different from "n.2" ? > > Is the compose building the same identical system? > > I think I read somewhere that this procedure has different consequences or > results each time you perform the compiling - or something like that. > Right ? > ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 compose report: 20200306.n.1 changes
Could someone please explain what compose task or build procedures are performed while creating this "n.1" version, that are different from "n.2" ? Is the compose building the same identical system? I think I read somewhere that this procedure has different consequences or results each time you perform the compiling - or something like that. Right ? ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
