Re: Openssl heartbleed

2014-04-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 18:47 -0700, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com wrote:
  According to the announcement, that version is vulnerable.
  Of the 1.01 versions, only 1.01g is saf(er).

 RedHat backported the fix as the openssl in fedroda/rhel is carrying a
 ton of patches.

 I expect this is going to cause a lot of confusion.

 I don't see why. Backporting security fixes is standard procedure and
 has been for decades. It would be extremely irresponsible to just shove
 out a new and untested openssl build as a stable update.

Just because it has the attention of less experienced people. I've now
seen confusion about Fedora being fixed in two places. Just a data
point.  I don't think that any different behavior is advisable.
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Re: Openssl heartbleed

2014-04-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com wrote:
 According to the announcement, that version is vulnerable.
 Of the 1.01 versions, only 1.01g is saf(er).

RedHat backported the fix as the openssl in fedroda/rhel is carrying a
ton of patches.

I expect this is going to cause a lot of confusion.
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Re: Linking negative karma points to a reported bug

2012-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just bringing this topic to the appropriate mailing list

 On the last kernel meeting [1] it was suggested negative karma points should
 be linked to a reported bug which kinda makes sense if you think about it.

 What that means is that you ( as in reporter ) will no longer be able to
 provide negative karma without linking it to an already existing bug report
 either created by your or someone else if that came to be.

Is there such a surplus of people testing things and providing
negative karma that it's acceptable to refuse any that doesn't come
with a bug report? And is the pain of bugless negative karma so great
that it will overcome the cost of an additional mandatory step in the
karma reporting process?

Why not start by sending email nags to people who've added negative
karma but who haven't provided a buglink?
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Re: bash filename completion buggy in F16?

2011-10-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Joachim Backes
joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote:
 I opened a BZ (682785) concerning the described problems, and it was
 rejected as no bug (obviously the completion works not independent
 from the leading command, for example if the cmd is firefox, as in my
 case, it's not expected that an ogg file is to be opened :-) For me,
 this philosophy is rather weird!

Firefox plays ogg files just fine too.

:-/

At least you're not getting multisecond waits while the competition
tries to do some packagekit crap to connect to a remote repository
that you can't currently reach. :-/
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Re: bash filename completion buggy in F16?

2011-10-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 Firefox plays ogg files just fine too.

 I can't think of a sensible reason for actually using it to play them,
 though. Firefox isn't a music player. It just calls some other app to
 play oggs and embeds it anyway, I think.

Thats not at all true.  (And FWIW, Fedora _still_ appears to be
shipping Firefox with internally bundled libtheora, libvorbis, libogg
which IIRC are identical with upstream; and libvpx which it appears is
not identical to upstream)

With the exception of support for chained files and surround the ogg
support in firefox is probably the most complete of any application
shipped with fedora (depending on the phase of the moon
gstreamer/totem is variously broken e.g. I don't think the version
shipped in fedora will seek in streams over the network).

It's a reasonable enough basic player, and its often the only player
for these files on Mac and Windows machines, so cross platform
instructions would be good to advise people to use firefox. (Although,
I suppose they won't be advising them to launch it via the CLI!)

Moreover, what benefit are you providing to users by inexplicably
refusing to complete file names?  I think inexplicable is perfectly
well justified word here— since you're certainly not using the
program's ability to support the file as the criteria.
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Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
 http://git.gnome.org/
 http://spins.fedoraproject.org/

 The beautiful thing about open source is that you always have that choice.
 Sure, you may not like the amount of effort that may be involved (on a
 scale that goes from switching your local desktop, all the way up to forking
 your own copy of GNOME 2.30 and taking it in whatever direction you feel
 like), but it doesn't mean you don't have that choice.

Even if there were no open source you'd have the _choice_ of creating your
own operating system and software all from scratch if the available software
didn't work the way you needed it to.  But because of the enormous effort
required that freedom isn't very meaningful.

Likewise, when the whole  distribution is driven  in a particular direction
going against that direction is quite costly: Even if you're willing to put
in the effort to support and maintain gnome 2.30 you will still suffer from
the fact that Fedora is developed against and tested with the new stuff and
will almost certainly become gratuitously incompatible with the old stuff.

People use distributiosn because assembling and maintaining the whole system
on their own is not a good (or available) option for them.  Fedora's support
for non-standard configurations is not especially good, even compared to
some other distributions.

The difference  from the above no-open-source example is only  quantitative.
Meaningfully so, but you can break free from the fedora  default and engage
in an unsupported  high effort  configuration is still not a valid argument
against claims that a decision is net-detrimental to the Fedora user
community, even if it is technically true.

That sort of argument  should be rebutted with evidence that on the whole
and in the long term the change is expected  to be beneficial to the user
community and/or the GNU/Linux  ecosystem overall and evidence that these
goals could not otherwise be met through means which deprived (by forcing
them into non-standard configurations) fewer users of the value that
Fedora provides.
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Re: Fedora 14 NTP and SELinux

2010-11-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Read a couple of reviews and blog posts mentioning this,  if you use ntp
 via firstboot in Fedora 14 and you login, you get SELinux warnings on
 login.  I tried testing this in a vm and this is very much reproducible
 and is such a jarring user experience.  What can we do to avoid these
 class of problems for the next release?

Not having so many fedora developers, testers, and redhat staff
running with selinux in disabled/in permissive mode would be a good
start.


Can you link to the reviews?  I'm pretty sure I enabled ntp in first
boot on all the systems I've installed F14 on and I don't recall
seeing alerts on the first login— and it's something I would have
reported if I noticed it.
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