Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:45:59 +0200 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/9 Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com: On 09/07/2010 02:41 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I want to compare systemd and upstart boot speed (I don't expect much, so I won't be disappointed :)) systemd http://i56.tinypic.com/ilk4fq.jpg upstart http://i53.tinypic.com/dnhrvm.png both starts system in 31 seconds, but systemd starts much more services. err.. be sure to turn off readahead, or restart and measure again, if the readahead-collector was running and slowing down the system!!! I disabled readahead and there is no difference. readahead doesn't run with systemd. It's got upstart specific startup files, so systemd doesn't see it at all. It would be nice to fix this. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
2010/9/7 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 02:41 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I want to compare systemd and upstart boot speed (I don't expect much, so I won't be disappointed :)) systemd http://i56.tinypic.com/ilk4fq.jpg upstart http://i53.tinypic.com/dnhrvm.png both starts system in 31 seconds, but systemd starts much more services. It looks like ntsysv doesn't have a systemd support. How can I disable service in systemd? I suppose I need to use systemctl disable command, but I don't know when to look for job names - list-jobs fails here [mic...@dio ~]$ systemctl list-jobs Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 [mic...@dio ~]$ sudo systemctl list-jobs Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/systemd1/private: Connection refused [mic...@dio ~]$ sudo systemctl list-units Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/systemd1/private: Connection refused Regards, Michal That sounds like you have some kind of dbus bug on your system. My mistake. I tried to use systemctl after running the system with upstart. To answer your main question, though, if the service is still a SysV service, you can still disable it just as you would have done before - 'chkconfig ntsysv off' I've never used the chkconfig. I always used the ntsysv - it's an old tool that I know since RH6. Now it doesn't work as expected - I can't disable services with it - maybe it's time to start using chkconfig? . It's only systemd-native services that need the use of systemctl. I disabled some services and I noticed something interesting - it almost doesn't speed up the boot process. Before http://i56.tinypic.com/ilk4fq.jpg After http://i56.tinypic.com/mh5347.png The difference is 1 second. Interesting. An old method of speeding up boot process doesn't work - is it a regression? Okay, joking :) Regards, Michal -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
2010/9/9 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: I think it shows a good sign of health when users seem to repeatedly forget that we have not hit beta yet :) Systemd works for me well so far (except this reboot issue). I am glad that finally there is a solution that will replace an old sysvinit (and this, disappointing upstart thing) :) Great work! JBG Regards, Michal -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 02:41 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I want to compare systemd and upstart boot speed (I don't expect much, so I won't be disappointed :)) systemd http://i56.tinypic.com/ilk4fq.jpg upstart http://i53.tinypic.com/dnhrvm.png both starts system in 31 seconds, but systemd starts much more services. It looks like ntsysv doesn't have a systemd support. How can I disable service in systemd? I suppose I need to use systemctl disable command, but I don't know when to look for job names - list-jobs fails here [mic...@dio ~]$ systemctl list-jobs Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 [mic...@dio ~]$ sudo systemctl list-jobs Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/systemd1/private: Connection refused [mic...@dio ~]$ sudo systemctl list-units Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/systemd1/private: Connection refused Regards, Michal That sounds like you have some kind of dbus bug on your system. To answer your main question, though, if the service is still a SysV service, you can still disable it just as you would have done before - 'chkconfig ntsysv off'. It's only systemd-native services that need the use of systemctl. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 13:00 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:33:49 +0100 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:51, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Right, all my packages (gnome-packagekit, gnome-power-manager and gnome-color-manager) are waiting for positive karma. I've tested here and they all look good. Looks like they have all gone to stable. :) Doesn't seem so, to me - none of the three show a 'submitted for stable' request, on Bodhi, though they all have the necessary karma for one. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
Speaking of testing systemd. Are there any tests to see that the system can be shutdown and reboot cleanly after updates to things like libc. This was only recently fixed for the old init scheme, and it would be good not to regress in this area. It does seem like it might be more complex to do a clean shutdown with all the extra dbus stuff being involved. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 00:36:38 +0100, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: As usual, we've tried to make it as easy as possible to participate. There's full testing instructions on the Test Day wiki page, and you can contribute some helpful testing just by running a nightly live image[2] and making sure it boots correctly. Of course, the more testing you can Note that there is an update pending for systemd-9-3 that isn't going to show up in the nightly builds until the following dep issues are fixed: manager-2.31.4-1.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 gnome-packagekit-2.31.4-2.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 They are blocking rebuilds of the Desktop spin (and others). As Tom mentioned, there is currently an issue with systemd-9 and the network service (but not NetworkManager) that wasn't present in systemd-8. It would be nice to get a fixed version of systemd-9 into the nightly builds before the test day, but there isn't much time. You may want to have a backup plan to provide a custom spin for testers to use. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On 6 September 2010 15:30, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Note that there is an update pending for systemd-9-3 that isn't going to show up in the nightly builds until the following dep issues are fixed: manager-2.31.4-1.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 gnome-packagekit-2.31.4-2.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 They are blocking rebuilds of the Desktop spin (and others). That's rawhide, no? F14 should be good to go. Richard. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 15:41:48 +0100, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:30, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Note that there is an update pending for systemd-9-3 that isn't going to show up in the nightly builds until the following dep issues are fixed: manager-2.31.4-1.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 gnome-packagekit-2.31.4-2.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 They are blocking rebuilds of the Desktop spin (and others). That's rawhide, no? F14 should be good to go. It is F14. It may be that there are updates pending to fix this, but they hadn't landed in time for the last nightly composes run. Note that the nightly compose process uses only F14 stable, not testing. So fixes that haven't made it to stable won't help those builds. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:30, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Note that there is an update pending for systemd-9-3 that isn't going to show up in the nightly builds until the following dep issues are fixed: manager-2.31.4-1.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 gnome-packagekit-2.31.4-2.fc14.i686 requires libgnome-control-center.so.1 They are blocking rebuilds of the Desktop spin (and others). That's rawhide, no? F14 should be good to go. No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Regards, Peter [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-September/142421.html -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:43:31AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It is F14. It may be that there are updates pending to fix this, but they hadn't landed in time for the last nightly composes run. Note that the nightly compose process uses only F14 stable, not testing. So fixes that haven't made it to stable won't help those builds. Sounds like the new rules bodhi enforces now do more harm than good for WIP-releases. I don't think we would loose a lot if we'd only enforce the one week in testing for stable releases. -- sven === jabber/xmpp: s...@lankes.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 16:55:57 +0200, Sven Lankes s...@lank.es wrote: On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:43:31AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It is F14. It may be that there are updates pending to fix this, but they hadn't landed in time for the last nightly composes run. Note that the nightly compose process uses only F14 stable, not testing. So fixes that haven't made it to stable won't help those builds. Sounds like the new rules bodhi enforces now do more harm than good for WIP-releases. I don't think we would loose a lot if we'd only enforce the one week in testing for stable releases. I believe stuff can get moved sooner if there is adequate testing. Also the real problem here is the broken deps. We really want to get to a point where there are never broken deps in a stable repo. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On 6 September 2010 15:51, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Right, all my packages (gnome-packagekit, gnome-power-manager and gnome-color-manager) are waiting for positive karma. Richard -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 16:33:49 +0100, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:51, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Right, all my packages (gnome-packagekit, gnome-power-manager and gnome-color-manager) are waiting for positive karma. I should at least give positive feedback for gnome-power-manager as the recent problems with that seem to be fixed with the version in testing. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:33:49 +0100 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:51, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Right, all my packages (gnome-packagekit, gnome-power-manager and gnome-color-manager) are waiting for positive karma. I've tested here and they all look good. Looks like they have all gone to stable. :) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 13:00 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:33:49 +0100 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:51, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Right, all my packages (gnome-packagekit, gnome-power-manager and gnome-color-manager) are waiting for positive karma. I've tested here and they all look good. Looks like they have all gone to stable. :) kevin Thanks, Kevin. If we don't have a good new nightly for the test day I'll try and build one myself tomorrow AM and add it to the wiki page. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 00:41:53 +0100 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 13:00 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:33:49 +0100 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:51, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: No, its F-14 and had been broken since Aug 31st. The last good compose of gnome based (as in have gnome components) spins was Aug 30th. You can see it in the daily branched report [1]. Right, all my packages (gnome-packagekit, gnome-power-manager and gnome-color-manager) are waiting for positive karma. I've tested here and they all look good. Looks like they have all gone to stable. :) kevin Thanks, Kevin. If we don't have a good new nightly for the test day I'll try and build one myself tomorrow AM and add it to the wiki page. well, I won't be able to build them until the next f14 branched compose tomorrow at least. ;( I will sync them over as soon as they are done after that though. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
Hi, I want to compare systemd and upstart boot speed (I don't expect much, so I won't be disappointed :)) systemd http://i56.tinypic.com/ilk4fq.jpg upstart http://i53.tinypic.com/dnhrvm.png both starts system in 31 seconds, but systemd starts much more services. It looks like ntsysv doesn't have a systemd support. How can I disable service in systemd? I suppose I need to use systemctl disable command, but I don't know when to look for job names - list-jobs fails here [mic...@dio ~]$ systemctl list-jobs Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 [mic...@dio ~]$ sudo systemctl list-jobs Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/systemd1/private: Connection refused [mic...@dio ~]$ sudo systemctl list-units Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/systemd1/private: Connection refused Regards, Michal -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] Systemd Test Day on Tuesday 2010/09/07
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 16:55 +0200, Sven Lankes wrote: On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:43:31AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It is F14. It may be that there are updates pending to fix this, but they hadn't landed in time for the last nightly composes run. Note that the nightly compose process uses only F14 stable, not testing. So fixes that haven't made it to stable won't help those builds. Sounds like the new rules bodhi enforces now do more harm than good for WIP-releases. I don't think we would loose a lot if we'd only enforce the one week in testing for stable releases. Note that I have a proposal in tomorrows FESCo meeting to vary the acceptance criteria for pre-release updates: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/454 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
