Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 26/09/10 13:53, He Rui wrote: Hi Steven, On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 03:43 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote: Hi all, I've tried just about everything over the last 12 hours to get F14 Beta 3 to install from DVD with no success. I've been booting from the DVD and found that at the repo selection screen, only internet repos are found. The install DVD is lost and the installation will not proceed without downloading all packages from an internet repo. This defeats the purpose of having a DVD... I could see the packages in /mnt/sysimage (I think), and the DVD was certainly present, just ignored. This is not as expected. DVD installation is a basic test included in the pre-release validation install tests, and we've verified that media repo will be selected as default if install from Beta RC3 DVD at least both on kvm and bare metal. The iso should be mounted on /mnt/source where the packages are stored. So can you provide the details of your installation steps and environment? And the contents in /tmp/anaconda.log? Is this bug[1] similar to yours? Thanks in advance. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627789 I did see this bug report - but after the install had completed - this being the case I didn't get a chance to see the log. Silly me also deleted the ks/other logs in /root after the install (it was very very early in the morning after tinkering all night!) As I can reproduce it every time, I'll start running the install up until where the issue happens and see what info I can gather. Thankfully, as long as I don't set any paritions to format, it shouldn't kill my (eventually) successful install. I also found that when doing an ethereal dump on my ASDL connection that each package seemed to be downloaded twice. For each package that was downloaded, I saw 2 separate GET requests heading to the web server. I could not find any specific information about this from the installer. I also noticed that the defaults for an XFS filesystem are to continue to use a 256 byte inode. This is VERY suboptimal with selinux enabled and can cause major performance issues. I lodged a bug on this here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637369 All in all, for a Beta GOLD release, I would have at least expected the DVD installation to be tested before RC3 was declared gold :( I've also read your another thread. Well, have you noticed the test announcements(eg.[2]) sent out when each build was available? We did it every time and both installation and desktop tests were executed and the results were provided on the results pages[3]. Then based on the results and other bugs on bugzilla, the candidate was considered if it met the release criteria[4] or not. So DVD installation would surely be tested before released, but everyone has different install environment, we cannot guarantee it passes in every way. However, if you encountered an issue, discussion is welcomed in the list to help find the root cause and resolve the problem. Also if you have any suggestion for the installation validation test[5], feel free to talk. :) Thanks, Hurry [2] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-September/093947.html [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_14_Test_Results [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Beta_Release_Criteria [5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation_validation_testing Good info to know. I did remember seeing a few install reports, but nothing I saw while I was struggling with the install seemed to line up with what I was seeing. -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 26/09/10 17:41, He Rui wrote: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627789 That's ok. It will be helpful if /var/log/anaconda.log is not deleted.:) I have lodged this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637495 I have attached to it what I saw looked to be the required logs. Therefore users are encouraged to provide their results on the pages to increase the coverage. I'm also curious about your installation method and wanna reproduce it. The system is an Asus EeePC 1005P. Installation was with a USB DVD drive - as these don't have DVD drives built in. -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 26/09/10 19:24, Steven Haigh wrote: I have lodged this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637495 I have attached to it what I saw looked to be the required logs. For the record, installing on a laptop with an IDE DVD drive works as expected. It seems that these install bugs may be only for users with USB DVD drives. -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 21:05 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote: On 26/09/10 19:24, Steven Haigh wrote: I have lodged this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637495 I have attached to it what I saw looked to be the required logs. For the record, installing on a laptop with an IDE DVD drive works as expected. It seems that these install bugs may be only for users with USB DVD drives. Thanks for verifying this, Steven, I guess it's related to USB too. Can anyone else having USB DVD drive please help testing DVD installation and checking if the same issue happens? Thanks, Hurry -- Contacts Hurry FAS Name: Rhe Timezone: UTC+8 TEL: 86-010-62608141 IRC nick: rhe #fedora-qa #fedora-zh -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
Thanks for verifying this, Steven, I guess it's related to USB too. Can anyone else having USB DVD drive please help testing DVD installation and checking if the same issue happens? Didn't I also see messages about people with USB mice not being able to click on buttons and having to use the keyboard? Maybe USB is generally busted? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
Didn't I also see messages about people with USB mice not being able to click on buttons and having to use the keyboard? Maybe USB is generally busted? I doubt it is as broken as that. There are plenty of USB mice being used. I was one of the people reporting the problem with RC2 and mouse clicks not being registered. I'm using a trackpoint which isn't USB. It also was strangely inconsistent where it would break on the i686 DVD and not on the x86_64 DVD no matter how many times I tried the disks. I unfortunately don't have a DVD drive where I can try this right now but I did have a strange problem last week with an external DVD drive at work. I had strange issues like Steven is reporting (it was a Centos DVD not Fedora). It would boot the DVD and then say no install media was present. The machine (a Dell Precision 5500) had multiple sets of USB ports. I moved the connection around to another set of USB ports and it worked. I think one of the connectors must have been busted in some fashion that caused it to barely work. Steven, does it help if you try different connectors? -- John Watzke -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 27/09/10 01:22, John Watzke wrote: Steven, does it help if you try different connectors? Sadly not. This is why I gave up in the end and just caved in to letting it use an internet repo. I had a good 12 hours trying to persuade it to work nicely. If only computers could understand expletives ;) -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 09/26/2010 07:05 AM, Steven Haigh wrote: On 26/09/10 19:24, Steven Haigh wrote: I have lodged this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637495 I have attached to it what I saw looked to be the required logs. For the record, installing on a laptop with an IDE DVD drive works as expected. It seems that these install bugs may be only for users with USB DVD drives. Fedora 14 beta gold works for me with an HP USB DVD drive. ASUS P5K-E WIFI mobo. Installation was no different than using the SATA DVD drive except the obvious difference in speed. Regards, OldFart -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 19:24 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote: On 26/09/10 17:41, He Rui wrote: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627789 That's ok. It will be helpful if /var/log/anaconda.log is not deleted.:) I have lodged this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637495 I have attached to it what I saw looked to be the required logs. Therefore users are encouraged to provide their results on the pages to increase the coverage. I'm also curious about your installation method and wanna reproduce it. The system is an Asus EeePC 1005P. Installation was with a USB DVD drive - as these don't have DVD drives built in. Then your bug is likely a dupe of 627789. Please, don't say you're installing from a DVD when you're not. :) Installing from DVD is indeed a basic requirement that is tested many times before a release is validated. Installing from the DVD image written to a USB stick is not the same thing at all and is not such a basic requirement. If you give the wrong impression about how you're installing, it's likely to lead to confusion. I would like to have a clear story from anaconda or whoever on what exactly is supported in terms of writing the DVD image to USB, and what isn't. I've never been particularly clear on that point. It would be good to clear it up and add some specific install validation tests for it - Hurry, do you agree? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 10:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: The system is an Asus EeePC 1005P. Installation was with a USB DVD drive - as these don't have DVD drives built in. Then your bug is likely a dupe of 627789. Please, don't say you're installing from a DVD when you're not. :) Installing from DVD is indeed a basic requirement that is tested many times before a release is validated. Installing from the DVD image written to a USB stick is not the same thing at all and is not such a basic requirement. If you give the wrong impression about how you're installing, it's likely to lead to confusion. Gack, ignore me, I can't read. USB stick != USB DVD drive. Sigh. May well still have the same root cause, though. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 27/09/10 03:42, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 19:24 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote: On 26/09/10 17:41, He Rui wrote: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627789 That's ok. It will be helpful if /var/log/anaconda.log is not deleted.:) I have lodged this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637495 I have attached to it what I saw looked to be the required logs. Therefore users are encouraged to provide their results on the pages to increase the coverage. I'm also curious about your installation method and wanna reproduce it. The system is an Asus EeePC 1005P. Installation was with a USB DVD drive - as these don't have DVD drives built in. Then your bug is likely a dupe of 627789. Please, don't say you're installing from a DVD when you're not. :) Installing from DVD is indeed a basic requirement that is tested many times before a release is validated. Installing from the DVD image written to a USB stick is not the same thing at all and is not such a basic requirement. If you give the wrong impression about how you're installing, it's likely to lead to confusion. This was not an install from a USB Stick - it was a USB connected DVD drive with physical DVD media burnt from the RC3 DVD iso. -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 10:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: skip I would like to have a clear story from anaconda or whoever on what exactly is supported in terms of writing the DVD image to USB, and what isn't. I've never been particularly clear on that point. It would be good to clear it up and add some specific install validation tests for it - Hurry, do you agree? Of course. I proposed this idea on F13 retrospective but just haven't got time to focus on it. Now I create a ticket[1] so that we can track this in it. Feel free to add comments. Thanks, Hurry [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/134 -- Contacts Hurry FAS Name: Rhe Timezone: UTC+8 TEL: 86-010-62608141 IRC nick: rhe #fedora-qa #fedora-zh -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
Hi all, I've tried just about everything over the last 12 hours to get F14 Beta 3 to install from DVD with no success. I've been booting from the DVD and found that at the repo selection screen, only internet repos are found. The install DVD is lost and the installation will not proceed without downloading all packages from an internet repo. This defeats the purpose of having a DVD... I could see the packages in /mnt/sysimage (I think), and the DVD was certainly present, just ignored. I also found that when doing an ethereal dump on my ASDL connection that each package seemed to be downloaded twice. For each package that was downloaded, I saw 2 separate GET requests heading to the web server. I could not find any specific information about this from the installer. I also noticed that the defaults for an XFS filesystem are to continue to use a 256 byte inode. This is VERY suboptimal with selinux enabled and can cause major performance issues. I lodged a bug on this here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637369 All in all, for a Beta GOLD release, I would have at least expected the DVD installation to be tested before RC3 was declared gold :( -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On 26/09/10 03:43, Steven Haigh wrote: Hi all, I've tried just about everything over the last 12 hours to get F14 Beta 3 to install from DVD with no success. I've been booting from the DVD and found that at the repo selection screen, only internet repos are found. The install DVD is lost and the installation will not proceed without downloading all packages from an internet repo. This defeats the purpose of having a DVD... I could see the packages in /mnt/sysimage (I think), and the DVD was certainly present, just ignored. All in all, for a Beta GOLD release, I would have at least expected the DVD installation to be tested before RC3 was declared gold :( I've done a bit of thinking about this and with a bit of reflection I'm wondering about the process that happens before something gets declared release worthy. Apart from the bugs we all know exist in bugzilla (fixed or not), does anybody actually run the install before whatever currently gets declared RCn and if that is good enough to be released? With the rapid transition from RC1 - RC2 - RC3, I observed the overall install process from DVD deteriorate quite substantially from the F14-Alpha DVD. This leads me to believe that installation from DVD was not tested before RC3 was declared gold. I am however hoping this is not the case and will gladly be corrected. Yes, I do understand that F14 is still in Alpha/Beta, is not guaranteed to be perfect, and may eat small children, I believe that before we as a community declare something to be a milestone that we at least do some basic QA testing. Peoples thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:22:54PM +1000, Steven Haigh wrote: On 26/09/10 03:43, Steven Haigh wrote: Hi all, Yes, I do understand that F14 is still in Alpha/Beta, is not guaranteed to be perfect, and may eat small children, I believe that before we as a community declare something to be a milestone that we at least do some basic QA testing. For what it's worth, I've been unable to get past starting anaconda in qemu-kvm, VirtualBox, and vmware-player. I hadn't heard or seen anyone else mention this on the forums recently, so figured it was a just me thing, as I've only tried on one machine, though there has been at least one other person on the forums with the same issue. One assumes (yeah, yeah, we all know what happens when you assume) that some of the testers have tried on VMs without having problems, or it wouldn't have been declared gold. If that's not the case, as many would try it first on a VM, I'd be surprised and add my +1 to Steven's statement. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F14 Beta RC3 install from DVD is a world of hurt.
Hi Steven, On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 03:43 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote: Hi all, I've tried just about everything over the last 12 hours to get F14 Beta 3 to install from DVD with no success. I've been booting from the DVD and found that at the repo selection screen, only internet repos are found. The install DVD is lost and the installation will not proceed without downloading all packages from an internet repo. This defeats the purpose of having a DVD... I could see the packages in /mnt/sysimage (I think), and the DVD was certainly present, just ignored. This is not as expected. DVD installation is a basic test included in the pre-release validation install tests, and we've verified that media repo will be selected as default if install from Beta RC3 DVD at least both on kvm and bare metal. The iso should be mounted on /mnt/source where the packages are stored. So can you provide the details of your installation steps and environment? And the contents in /tmp/anaconda.log? Is this bug[1] similar to yours? Thanks in advance. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627789 I also found that when doing an ethereal dump on my ASDL connection that each package seemed to be downloaded twice. For each package that was downloaded, I saw 2 separate GET requests heading to the web server. I could not find any specific information about this from the installer. I also noticed that the defaults for an XFS filesystem are to continue to use a 256 byte inode. This is VERY suboptimal with selinux enabled and can cause major performance issues. I lodged a bug on this here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637369 All in all, for a Beta GOLD release, I would have at least expected the DVD installation to be tested before RC3 was declared gold :( I've also read your another thread. Well, have you noticed the test announcements(eg.[2]) sent out when each build was available? We did it every time and both installation and desktop tests were executed and the results were provided on the results pages[3]. Then based on the results and other bugs on bugzilla, the candidate was considered if it met the release criteria[4] or not. So DVD installation would surely be tested before released, but everyone has different install environment, we cannot guarantee it passes in every way. However, if you encountered an issue, discussion is welcomed in the list to help find the root cause and resolve the problem. Also if you have any suggestion for the installation validation test[5], feel free to talk. :) Thanks, Hurry [2] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-September/093947.html [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_14_Test_Results [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Beta_Release_Criteria [5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation_validation_testing -- Contacts Hurry FAS Name: Rhe Timezone: UTC+8 TEL: 86-010-62608141 IRC nick: rhe #fedora-qa #fedora-zh -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
