Re: Rawhide installation question
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 12:27 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > yeah, that's how I'd do it. But actually, I don't run Rawhide > > anywhere. > > I tend to switch to the upcoming release soon after the branch event. > > Do you mean switching by reinstalling? no, I rarely reinstall. For instance, right now I'm running F14 - basically, F14 release version. I'll stick with F14 until F15 branches from Rawhide. Then I'll yum update to F15. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 12:13 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > > On 10/25/2010 12:57 PM, Qiang Li wrote: > > > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 11:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > > >> 1) Direct Rawhide install via standalone Anaconda > > >> 2) Direct Rawhide install via Live installer > > >> 3) Yum update from a test release > > >> 4) Yum update from previous release > > >> > > >> I prefer the first two methods. > > > > > > I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, > > because > > > it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken > > > dependency. > > > > > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > > > > > Qiang > > > > > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:21 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > I just want to say that I too miss the ability to do #1. > > Why not try to regain the ability? :) Let's work together to see if it > is possible. This is partly a question of whether Rawhide *should* be an installable release. For me, one way of answering that would be to ask the installation developers whether they intend (and are able) to actively support/maintain an installable rawhide in addition to the active Branched release (Fedora 14). For test, I'd much prefer focusing our energy on ensuring the Branched release meets the Fedora release criteria. Part of which includes using different package repos during installation. Using the branched release installation images to install a rawhide package set is a perfectly valid way to install rawhide packages. Thanks, james signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
2010/10/26 Qiang Li: > It sounds good. However, would the anaconda contained in boot.iso of the > most recent install media be too old to support rawhide installation? > Or, would it be better to grab boot.iso from fedora branched repo, e.g. > http:///fedora/development/14/x86_64/os/images ? Have you > done it like this before? Yes, indeed, that's the way I proceed when I want to install rawhide from scratch and there is no boot.iso image in the rawhide tree. Btw, it is sufficient and probably preferrable, too, to simply -add- the rawhide repo. However, unresolvable conflicts may occur, but they are rather due to a broken rawhide tree and not due to anaconda being too old. As I said earlier, grab the most -recent- boot.iso which actually is the one in ../14/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso. The latest spin dates back to yesterday. ~ C -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 12:40 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 22:14 +0200, Christoph Frieben wrote: > > 2010/10/25 Qiang Li: > > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > > > You grab the most recent install media, e.g. F14 RC1, and add the > > rawhide repo during the repo customization stage of anaconda. This > > approach will work most of the time. > > > > ~C > > It sounds good. However, would the anaconda contained in boot.iso of the > most recent install media be too old to support rawhide installation? > Or, would it be better to grab boot.iso from fedora branched repo, e.g. > http:///fedora/development/14/x86_64/os/images ? Have you > done it like this before? > > Looking forward to your reply. > > Qiang Hi Qiang, Either boot.iso is ok for installing rawhide, just remember to change the package repo to point to rawhide. I used to install rawhide by using boot.iso of previous releases/pre-releases, and it worked as expected. Thanks, Hurry -- Contacts Hurry FAS Name: Rhe Timezone: UTC+8 TEL: 86-010-62608141 IRC nick: rhe #fedora-qa #fedora-zh -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 22:14 +0200, Christoph Frieben wrote: > 2010/10/25 Qiang Li: > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > You grab the most recent install media, e.g. F14 RC1, and add the > rawhide repo during the repo customization stage of anaconda. This > approach will work most of the time. > > ~C It sounds good. However, would the anaconda contained in boot.iso of the most recent install media be too old to support rawhide installation? Or, would it be better to grab boot.iso from fedora branched repo, e.g. http:///fedora/development/14/x86_64/os/images ? Have you done it like this before? Looking forward to your reply. Qiang -- Qiang Li HuBei Polytechnic Institute No. 17 YuQuan Road XiaoGan HuBei 432100 China E-mail: liqi...@hbvtc.edu.cn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > yeah, that's how I'd do it. But actually, I don't run Rawhide > anywhere. > I tend to switch to the upcoming release soon after the branch event. Do you mean switching by reinstalling? Qiang -- Qiang Li HuBei Polytechnic Institute No. 17 YuQuan Road XiaoGan HuBei 432100 China E-mail: liqi...@hbvtc.edu.cn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 15:43 -0400, James Laska wrote: > Your preferences are no longer available. > > 1) If you'd like to try installing rawhide directly, you're welcome to > roll your own images (to get started, check out > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_build_a_Rawhide_ISO_image_for_testing) > > 2) Same as above, if you'd like to roll your own live image for Rawhide, > check out the process we use when creating images for test days > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image) > > > I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, because > > it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken > > dependency. > > I'm not sure the previous options work around these issues. Rawhide is > not guaranteed to be free to dependency failures. > Thanks for providing these two useful article. I'll take a try. > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > Just as Adam documented, I install F-13 (or current F-14), install > fedora-release-rawhide and yum --enablerepo=rawhide update. > I did it this way before. I just want to see if there is another way to get this job done. Qiang -- Qiang Li HuBei Polytechnic Institute No. 17 YuQuan Road XiaoGan HuBei 432100 China E-mail: liqi...@hbvtc.edu.cn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
> On 10/25/2010 12:57 PM, Qiang Li wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 11:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > >> 1) Direct Rawhide install via standalone Anaconda > >> 2) Direct Rawhide install via Live installer > >> 3) Yum update from a test release > >> 4) Yum update from previous release > >> > >> I prefer the first two methods. > > > > I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, > because > > it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken > > dependency. > > > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > > > Qiang > > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:21 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > I just want to say that I too miss the ability to do #1. Why not try to regain the ability? :) Let's work together to see if it is possible. Qiang -- Qiang Li HuBei Polytechnic Institute No. 17 YuQuan Road XiaoGan HuBei 432100 China E-mail: liqi...@hbvtc.edu.cn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/25/10 11:57 AM, Qiang Li wrote: > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? Take the boot.iso from the previous release or test release. Pass it a 'repo=' to a rawhide mirror. You'll use the install /images/ from the previous release, but the bits you install will be from rawhide. - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzGBDsACgkQ4v2HLvE71NVADwCfXmZ0xfe1qpdvoIA2AzZcLoa3 MHoAmwQf2FUvwdBzPD7bOE2FyS1rUjZn =mnh3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 15:43 -0400, James Laska wrote: > > I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, because > > it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken > > dependency. > > I'm not sure the previous options work around these issues. Rawhide is > not guaranteed to be free to dependency failures. Yeah, I'd say it's actually easier to deal with broken deps by doing the install-stable-and-update-to-rawhide method than installing rawhide directly, because the installer really doesn't give you many tools to deal with broken deps. And if the broken deps are a big enough problem, we won't actually be able to compose a working Rawhide installer. > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > Just as Adam documented, I install F-13 (or current F-14), install > fedora-release-rawhide and yum --enablerepo=rawhide update. yeah, that's how I'd do it. But actually, I don't run Rawhide anywhere. I tend to switch to the upcoming release soon after the branch event. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
2010/10/25 Qiang Li: > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? You grab the most recent install media, e.g. F14 RC1, and add the rawhide repo during the repo customization stage of anaconda. This approach will work most of the time. ~C -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:57 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 11:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > > > > > My question is what option I have if the first two ways are not > > > applicable? Ask for boot.iso that contains daily anaconda build from > > > James Laska, or using live installer after fedora 14 is released and > > > before fedora 15 has branched? > > > > Install Fedora 14, then install the fedora-release-rawhide package to > > provide the Rawhide repos, enable them, and do 'yum update'. > > -- > > Adam Williamson > > Fedora QA Community Monkey > > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > > http://www.happyassassin.net > > > > Hi, Adam, > > As I mentioned above, > > > 1) Direct Rawhide install via standalone Anaconda > > 2) Direct Rawhide install via Live installer > > 3) Yum update from a test release > > 4) Yum update from previous release > > > > I prefer the first two methods. Your preferences are no longer available. 1) If you'd like to try installing rawhide directly, you're welcome to roll your own images (to get started, check out https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_build_a_Rawhide_ISO_image_for_testing) 2) Same as above, if you'd like to roll your own live image for Rawhide, check out the process we use when creating images for test days (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image) > I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, because > it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken > dependency. I'm not sure the previous options work around these issues. Rawhide is not guaranteed to be free to dependency failures. > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? Just as Adam documented, I install F-13 (or current F-14), install fedora-release-rawhide and yum --enablerepo=rawhide update. Thanks, James signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > If I choose No. 1, this article says "Daily Anaconda builds are no > longer automatically available in Rawhide, only in Branched code. > Pre-Alpha Anaconda code is generally not testable, and it is important > to test the installer that will appear in the next release (since it > cannot easily be fixed after distribution media has been created) > rather > than the release after the next release. Installer images can be > provided on demand for test days if they are needed but not > automatically available; please contact James Laska.". I don't know > how to contact James Laska. Heh, I didn't know that I was a recommended contact for this task. I'll go out on a limb and say that I'm not the right person to ask about creating nightly installation rawhide images. :) I've updated the wiki with the process QA uses when rawhide installation images are needed for community test events. Thanks, James signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On 10/25/2010 12:57 PM, Qiang Li wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 11:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: >> 1) Direct Rawhide install via standalone Anaconda >> 2) Direct Rawhide install via Live installer >> 3) Yum update from a test release >> 4) Yum update from previous release >> >> I prefer the first two methods. > > I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, because > it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken > dependency. > > What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? > > Qiang > I just want to say that I too miss the ability to do #1. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 11:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > > > My question is what option I have if the first two ways are not > > applicable? Ask for boot.iso that contains daily anaconda build from > > James Laska, or using live installer after fedora 14 is released and > > before fedora 15 has branched? > > Install Fedora 14, then install the fedora-release-rawhide package to > provide the Rawhide repos, enable them, and do 'yum update'. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassin.net > Hi, Adam, As I mentioned above, > 1) Direct Rawhide install via standalone Anaconda > 2) Direct Rawhide install via Live installer > 3) Yum update from a test release > 4) Yum update from previous release > > I prefer the first two methods. I don't like updating from a test release or previous release, because it takes too much time, bandwidth and it's hard to solve broken dependency. What kind of way do you use to install a fresh fedora rawhide? Qiang -- Qiang Li HuBei Polytechnic Institute No. 17 YuQuan Road XiaoGan HuBei 432100 China E-mail: liqi...@hbvtc.edu.cn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rawhide installation question
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 02:14 +0800, Qiang Li wrote: > My question is what option I have if the first two ways are not > applicable? Ask for boot.iso that contains daily anaconda build from > James Laska, or using live installer after fedora 14 is released and > before fedora 15 has branched? Install Fedora 14, then install the fedora-release-rawhide package to provide the Rawhide repos, enable them, and do 'yum update'. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Rawhide installation question
Hi, I would like to do a fresh rawhide installation and referred to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide. Four ways are mentioned in this article, 1) Direct Rawhide install via standalone Anaconda 2) Direct Rawhide install via Live installer 3) Yum update from a test release 4) Yum update from previous release I prefer the first two methods. If I choose No. 1, this article says "Daily Anaconda builds are no longer automatically available in Rawhide, only in Branched code. Pre-Alpha Anaconda code is generally not testable, and it is important to test the installer that will appear in the next release (since it cannot easily be fixed after distribution media has been created) rather than the release after the next release. Installer images can be provided on demand for test days if they are needed but not automatically available; please contact James Laska.". I don't know how to contact James Laska. If I choose No. 2, this article says "This method only works after Fedora 13 is released, and before Fedora 14 has branched. See the release schedule for appropriate timing. Once branched, follow the instructions at Branched.". According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/14, Fedora 14 had branched on 2010/07/27. Then I followed the instruction and checked http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Branched. This article describes how to install branched fedora which is not what I want. My question is what option I have if the first two ways are not applicable? Ask for boot.iso that contains daily anaconda build from James Laska, or using live installer after fedora 14 is released and before fedora 15 has branched? Any suggestion would be appreciated. Qiang -- Qiang Li HuBei Polytechnic Institute No. 17 YuQuan Road XiaoGan HuBei 432100 China E-mail: liqi...@hbvtc.edu.cn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
