Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
> Users that need help belong in Fedora and reporters that are at QA > can > just participate in the meeting while they "wait" That's not what https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease says. Also it's not what I believe is true - that #fedora-qa is used for pre-release issues discussion. > > > > > I personally feel very uneasy about rejecting/putting on hold all > > these guys just for the sake of our meeting. I think we can cope > > with the inconveniences (of e.g. a different channel) much better > > than the newcomers can. > > It was one guy why are you making so much deal out of this we have > more > users popping in regular meeting on our meeting channel than we have > had > all the times we have held the blocker meeting in QA ( and this is a > record holding release in the frequency of holding those meetings ) 1. It was not a single guy. It happens quite often, according to my memory. It was a single guy _in the last meeting_. 2. For every single guy that interrupts I assume there are 10 newcomers who do not dare to interrupt the meeting. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 12:02 PM, Kamil Paral wrote: Next anyone of us can just explain instead that we are in the middle of blocker bug meeting I don't like the idea that people should be put on hold, probably for several hours, just because we are having a meeting. #fedora-qa is referenced from https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease . People arrive and ask, because we advise them to do so. They might not be willing or able to wait several hours. Some of them will have their issues unsolved and will feel disappointed. There are a lot of guys in #fedora-qa that would be able to help them, ourselves included (it's very doable to be holding a meeting in one channel and helping someone in another channel). Users that need help belong in Fedora and reporters that are at QA can just participate in the meeting while they "wait" I personally feel very uneasy about rejecting/putting on hold all these guys just for the sake of our meeting. I think we can cope with the inconveniences (of e.g. a different channel) much better than the newcomers can. It was one guy why are you making so much deal out of this we have more users popping in regular meeting on our meeting channel than we have had all the times we have held the blocker meeting in QA ( and this is a record holding release in the frequency of holding those meetings ) JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
> Next anyone of us can just explain instead that we are in the middle > of > blocker bug meeting I don't like the idea that people should be put on hold, probably for several hours, just because we are having a meeting. #fedora-qa is referenced from https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease . People arrive and ask, because we advise them to do so. They might not be willing or able to wait several hours. Some of them will have their issues unsolved and will feel disappointed. There are a lot of guys in #fedora-qa that would be able to help them, ourselves included (it's very doable to be holding a meeting in one channel and helping someone in another channel). I personally feel very uneasy about rejecting/putting on hold all these guys just for the sake of our meeting. I think we can cope with the inconveniences (of e.g. a different channel) much better than the newcomers can. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 09:10 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 08:37 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? In two recent meetings, we've had people pop up with questions about 18 Beta while the meeting is going on, and had to answer them mid-meeting (confusing the meeting and polluting the logs) or direct them elsewhere, neither of which is a great option. You felt the need to answer them instead of asking them to hold off all questions until after the meeting. On last meeting I was about to do it myself on the last meeting but since you had started a dialog with him I decide not to. JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 08:56 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? Definitely: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-12-03/f18final-blocker-review-1.2.2012-12-03-17.25.log.html (20:06:46) I hardly qualify one guy as a measurement and from the looks of it it was his first time on the channel and we have people dropping into the meetings channel like that all the time. Next anyone of us can just explain instead that we are in the middle of blocker bug meeting The question is just what is the best channel to use. I say we should stick to QA that's where is the most likely hood for more participation in the meetings. Fedora bugzappers is a dead process and holding this in meeting-X does not make much sense either. JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 08:37 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: > > We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something > > manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! > > Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa > > is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. > > I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. > > Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? In two recent meetings, we've had people pop up with questions about 18 Beta while the meeting is going on, and had to answer them mid-meeting (confusing the meeting and polluting the logs) or direct them elsewhere, neither of which is a great option. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
> On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: > > We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to > > something > > manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! > > Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in > > #fedora-qa > > is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. > > I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. > > Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? Definitely: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-12-03/f18final-blocker-review-1.2.2012-12-03-17.25.log.html (20:06:46) The question is just what is the best channel to use. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
