Re: [Tex-music] LaTeX vs MusiXTeX (Was: No room for new \dimen)
Saluton. I think I've started reading this subject not from the beginning. But just for the record, I always used Latex for scientific documents (for more than 20 years) and recently (about 5 years ago) I started using latex together with musixtex and everything works fine for me. I never used PMX and I type musixtex commands directly into my latex file with no problem. Basically I write lectures about musical instruments with lots of text and some musical pieces of one or two lines and also whole pieces of one or two pages. Regards, Filipe 2011/9/23 Dirk Laurie > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 05:48:26AM +0200, Don Simons wrote: > > 4. LaTeX has nothing to do with any of this. LaTeX is a special set of > macros > > designed to supposedly make TeX easier to use to produce nice text > documents. > > There is absolutely no requirement to use LaTeX together with MusiXTeX; > in > > fact, it just complicates matters to the extent that you should NEVER use > > them together unless you have a REALLY good reason AND are a pretty > advanced > > user already. > > > > I agree, but let me dot some i's and stroke some t's. > > - TeX is a typesetting program with particularly strong support for > mathematical typesetting, where exact two-dimensional positioning > is important. TeX is idiosyncratic but powerful, abstruse but > conceptually simple, huge but very well supported over almost 30 years. > There is nothing that TeX cannot do, but it is not user-friendly. > - TeX is also a customizable typesetting language that allows the user > to define his own special-purpose instructions for other pernickety > typesetting tasks, like music. Don Knuth (the author of TeX) writes > a special set of macros for every typesetting task he undertakes and > honestly expects other TeX users to be similary diligent. (Instead, > they prefer to abuse existing macro libraries.) > - MusiXTeX is a music typesetting program written in TeX. The need > for exact two-dimensional positioning is even more crucial than in > mathematics, extending to whole pages and even whole scores in which > a change made in one bar can affect decisions on the appearance of > every page. It's not user-friendly any more than TeX itself is, > which is why it's much nicer to use it indirectly via PMX. > - LaTeX is a markup language written in TeX, i.e. a language that > urges you to think abstractly about your document: not "indented" > but "quoted", not "italics" but "emphasized", not "large boldface > with open space above and below" but "section heading", etc. > It's user-friendly (well, compared to TeX it is) and equally well > supported, so it has become a de facto standard among scientists. > > So you see, there are two conflicting tasks: typesetting, in which you > care about minute details of appearance; and markup, in which you say > broadly want you require and the program takes care of the rest. > > If you mix MusiXTeX and LaTeX, the two pull against each other, and you > spend a lot of time compensating for the things LaTeX has done to your > document. The only case where it is useful to mix them, is when a > scientist who knows LaTeX well tries to write a document like the M-Tx > manual, which is in the first place a structured text document, but has > numerous small music inserts. > > But it is even more idiomatic to do it as in the MusiXTeX manual, where > the author did what Knuth wanted and wrote his own special-purpose set > of macros for the purpose. > > Dirk > > --- > TeX-music@tug.org mailing list > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > -- Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva, http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>, prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br *Um pandeiro na mão e uma ideia no pé* Mediateca de Línguas Estrangeiras, seção Esperanto Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*) http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html> http://facebook.com/Filipe.de.Moraes.Paiva https://groups.google.com/group/tuta-monda-scienca-historio-esperante --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Musixper
Actually, it was very simple. I've just copied the commented lines
\def\xcccu{\x@symbol\@cccu}
\def\xu{\x@symbol\@u}
\def\xcccl{\x@symbol\@cccl}
\def\xl{\x@symbol\@l}
from musixper into my document.tex and now everything seems to be working. I
think this is better than editing the musixper file, since now my document
is portable to any computer.
Would I get any trouble with that? Is everything just as simple as it seems?
2011/7/5 Filipe de Moraes Paiva
> I've found the file and the commented lines. But I don't know what ETEX and
> PMX are.
>
> 2011/7/5 Don Simons
>
>> I looked inside musixper.tex and saw that all commands with ccc or
>> were commented out. I have no recollection why, but it might be to save
>> registers, so it could work with older versions of TeX. So the solution is
>> simply to uncomment all those lines in musixper.tex, and use etex instead of
>> tex if necessary. (If you are using PMX as every MusiXTeX user should,
>> versions 2.603 and higher require etex anyhow.)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --Don Simons
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* tex-music-boun...@tug.org [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Filipe de Moraes Paiva
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:28 AM
>> *To:* Werner Icking Music Archive
>> *Subject:* [Tex-music] Musixper
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Saluton.
>> I'm using the package MUSIXPER for percussion notes (those with X) like
>> \xcl etc. I've just found out that it goes only up to \xccl; there is not
>> \xcccl or \xl. Is that a problem of my implementation or a general
>> problem?
>> Thanks, Filipe
>>
>> --
>>
>> Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva,
>> http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>,
>> prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br
>> *Um pandeiro na mão e uma ideia no pé*
>> Mediateca de Línguas Estrangeiras, seção Esperanto
>> Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II
>> *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*)
>> http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html>
>> http://facebook.com/Filipe.de.Moraes.Paiva
>> https://groups.google.com/group/tuta-monda-scienca-historio-esperante
>>
>> ** **
>>
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>
>
> --
> Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva,
> http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>,
> prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br
> *Um pandeiro na mão e uma ideia no pé*
> Mediateca de Línguas Estrangeiras, seção Esperanto
> Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II
> *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*)
> http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html>
> http://facebook.com/Filipe.de.Moraes.Paiva
> https://groups.google.com/group/tuta-monda-scienca-historio-esperante
>
>
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Re: [Tex-music] Musixper
I've found the file and the commented lines. But I don't know what ETEX and PMX are. 2011/7/5 Don Simons > I looked inside musixper.tex and saw that all commands with ccc or > were commented out. I have no recollection why, but it might be to save > registers, so it could work with older versions of TeX. So the solution is > simply to uncomment all those lines in musixper.tex, and use etex instead of > tex if necessary. (If you are using PMX as every MusiXTeX user should, > versions 2.603 and higher require etex anyhow.) > > ** ** > > --Don Simons > > ** ** > > *From:* tex-music-boun...@tug.org [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Filipe de Moraes Paiva > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:28 AM > *To:* Werner Icking Music Archive > *Subject:* [Tex-music] Musixper > > ** ** > > Saluton. > I'm using the package MUSIXPER for percussion notes (those with X) like > \xcl etc. I've just found out that it goes only up to \xccl; there is not > \xcccl or \xl. Is that a problem of my implementation or a general > problem? > Thanks, Filipe > > -- > > Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva, > http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>, > prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br > *Um pandeiro na mão e uma ideia no pé* > Mediateca de Línguas Estrangeiras, seção Esperanto > Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II > *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*) > http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html> > http://facebook.com/Filipe.de.Moraes.Paiva > https://groups.google.com/group/tuta-monda-scienca-historio-esperante > > ** ** > > ------- > TeX-music@tug.org mailing list > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > > -- Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva, http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>, prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br *Um pandeiro na mão e uma ideia no pé* Mediateca de Línguas Estrangeiras, seção Esperanto Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*) http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html> http://facebook.com/Filipe.de.Moraes.Paiva https://groups.google.com/group/tuta-monda-scienca-historio-esperante --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[Tex-music] Musixper
Saluton. I'm using the package MUSIXPER for percussion notes (those with X) like \xcl etc. I've just found out that it goes only up to \xccl; there is not \xcccl or \xl. Is that a problem of my implementation or a general problem? Thanks, Filipe -- Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva, http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>, prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br *Um pandeiro na mão e uma ideia no pé* Mediateca de Línguas Estrangeiras, seção Esperanto Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*) http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html> http://facebook.com/Filipe.de.Moraes.Paiva https://groups.google.com/group/tuta-monda-scienca-historio-esperante --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] The Future of MusiXTeX etc
d in Lua and > > there would not have been a prepmx pass. > > > > Now it is 2010 and we do have LuaTeX. > > > > We can go on as we used to: regard musixflx as cast in concrete, rely > > on Don to keep maintaining PMX (nobody else except me, as far as I know, > > has contributed even one line of Fortran code to it) and hope that > someone > > occasionally tweaks M-Tx to take account of some recent PMX feature (that > > person is no longer me). > > > > Or we can gradually convert more and more of the functionality of these > > packages into LuaTeX, thus taking advantage of the fact that the next > > generation of TeX package writers will be fluent in it and will be able > > to maintain the software. A single package luamusix.sty will do > everything. > > > > I think the choice is obvious. Don't you? > > > > Dirk > > > > PS If you would like to try LuaTeX for yourself, and find the official > >documentation a little daunting, you may like to read the story at > > > > http://dip.sun.ac.za/~laurie/luatex<http://dip.sun.ac.za/%7Elaurie/luatex> > > > > > > > > --- > > TeX-music@tug.org mailing list > > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > > > --- > TeX-music@tug.org mailing list > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > -- Prof. Filipe de Moraes Paiva, http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva<http://www.geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva>, prof.fmpa...@gmail.com , fmpa...@cbpf.br Departamento de Física, Colégio Pedro II - U.E. Humaitá II *VIBRO KAJ VIVO* (*numero 3*) http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo<http://geocities.ws/prof-fmpaiva/vibrokajvivo/numero-2/numero-2.html> Grupo de Esperanto do Leblon Orkuta "Komencanto de Esperanto" http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=51373078 --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
