Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:53 PM Christian Mondrup
 wrote:
>
> > Works perfectly with Rodolofo's pmx file on my Mint 20 pc.
>
> But I do get an erroneous postscript file if I process the pmx file the
> traditional way:
>
> pmab  etex  musixflx  etex  dvips 
>
> The dvi file appears corrupted when viewed with evince but is OK when
> viewed with xdvi
>
> The postscript result also appears erroneous when viewed with the Ocular
> document viewer. See the attached sceenshot

I solved it by removing and reinstalling all texlive packages in my
Debian Sid system.  Now the traditional way also seems to work.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:23 PM Agustin Martin  wrote:
>
> Hi, Rodolfo,
>
> Is good old xdvi rendering your dvi file correctly? Here it seems to
> do so. It should complain if some fonts are missing.
>
> gv is not working here too, but those are known bugs
> (https://bugs.debian.org/gv) Note also that last gv release is from
> 2013. Try evince (should also display ps files, at least here it does)

Thanks all!  The problem seems to be solved once I removed and then
installed again all packages related to texlive, texlive-music
included.

Thank you dear friends for your kind help.

Rodolfo

P.S.: Augustin, yes, dear old good xdvi did render the dvi file
despite the font problem.  ;-) Is the bug about gv hopefully be soon
fixed?
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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 5:18 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> Do you have ghostscript installed?

Yes, I do.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 5:11 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> Rodolfo:  As has already been determined, the problem is the dvips step.  
> Please do
>
> $ which dvips
>
> and if the output is
>
> /usr/local/bin/dvips
>
> do
>
> $ ls -l/usr/local/bin/dvips
>
> which should point to .../texlive2022/bin/x86_64-linux/dvips
>
> I suspect you're using a corrupt dvips.
>
> Bob

$ which dvips
/usr/bin/dvips

dvips works fine on PS non-musical files.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 4:57 PM Agustin Martin  wrote:
>
> Hi, Rodolfo,
>
> Is package texlive-music installed? Before installing it some fonts
> were found missing,
>
> mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for xslz20
> mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for mxsk
> mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for musixspx
> mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for musix20
> mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for musix13
>
> and even dvi file looked wrong.
>
> But after installing it result looks good here (Debian unstable).

Thanks, well, texlive-music is installed, and dvips output looks all
right so it does not seem to lack any font.  I'm running Unstable too.
The problem occurred just after upgrading and since then my printer
won't work either and neither the application "gv" to read PS files...

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 4:18 PM  wrote:
>
> Rodolfo wrote
>
> > What do you people suggest?
>
>
> Switch to Windows 10 😊
>
>
>
> Seriously, did you solve the problem?
>
> --Don Simons


Unfortunately not...

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 7:05 PM Christian Mondrup
 wrote:
>
> Den 19.11.2022 kl. 19.43 skrev Bob Tennent:
> > Produces good output here.  Maybe your dvips binary is corrupt?
>
> I can reproduce the error on my linux Mint 20 station. I have tex
> installed from tug TexLive rather than from Mint package repository

What do you people suggest?

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:40 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> Perhaps you should attach your dvi file for us.

Here it is:


bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.dvi
Description: TeX dvi file
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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:29 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> What is the output generated by dvips bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.dvi ?

It looks ok also:

$ dvips bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.dvi
This is dvips(k) 2022.1 (TeX Live 2022)  Copyright 2022 Radical Eye
Software (www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2022.11.19:1817' -> bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.ps



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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:15 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> Looking at the log produced by musixtex -i, I see that musixdia.tex and 
> musixper.tex are input; I don't know why.  Is it possible you don't have 
> these extension packages?
> Perhaps you should run musixtex -i   and attach the log file.

The log file looks ok, and those two tex file are present in my
system.  I'm attaching the log file.

Thanks
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.141592653-2.6-1.40.24 (TeX Live 2022/Debian) (preloaded format=etex 2022.11.15)  19 NOV 2022 18:17
entering extended mode
 restricted \write18 enabled.
 %&-line parsing enabled.
**bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.tex
(./bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.tex
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/musixtex/musixtex.tex
MusiXTeX(c) 1.34 <2021-07-24>
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\writ@volta@box=\box20
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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

Similar problem:

https://www.mail-archive.com/tex-music@tug.org/msg05513.html
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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 5:48 PM Christian Mondrup
 wrote:
>
> just a guess: you may be using an older version of musixflx.

Well, but no, because the problem occurs between DVI and PS, whereas
musixflx acts before.

Thanks

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 5:46 PM Jean-Pierre Coulon  wrote:
>
> Then try my dvi.

Yes, but error:

$ dvips -z bach_prelfug544_retypeset.dvi
This is dvips(k) 2022.1 (TeX Live 2022)  Copyright 2022 Radical Eye
Software (www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2022.11.08:2105' -> bach_prelfug544_retypeset.ps
dvips: ! Couldn't find header file: thikcres.pro
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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 5:40 PM Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 5:35 PM Jean-Pierre Coulon  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >
> > > Yes it is:
> >
> > Here I obtain this with the Tex distribution with Windows 10.
> >
> > Please try to convert my ps.
>
> You mean convert to PDF format?  I did, via ps2pdf, and it worked fine.

My DVI output is also OK, so the problem is created in the step DVI -> PS.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 5:35 PM Jean-Pierre Coulon  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
> > Yes it is:
>
> Here I obtain this with the Tex distribution with Windows 10.
>
> Please try to convert my ps.

You mean convert to PDF format?  I did, via ps2pdf, and it worked fine.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

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On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 5:04 PM Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
> >
> > That seems to date from 2015.  Try installing from https://ctan.org/pkg/pmx
> > or http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx-2.98a.zip.
> >
> > Bob T.
>
> Thanks, I'm installing it, but I'm afraid the problem is not in the
> pmxab step but in the dvips step

In fact, after installing PMX from Ctan, the problem remains.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> That seems to date from 2015.  Try installing from https://ctan.org/pkg/pmx
> or http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx-2.98a.zip.
>
> Bob T.

Thanks, I'm installing it, but I'm afraid the problem is not in the
pmxab step but in the dvips step.  In fact, after installing pmx from
Ctan, i will do:

 $ pmxab file.pmx

and then the usual etex > musixflx > etex > dvips > ps2pdf circle.
I'll let you know, thanks again.

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Re: [Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 4:26 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:
>
> Works OK here.  What version of PMX are you running?
>
> Bob T.

I think it's the one coming from and with Debian:

# aptitude install pmx
pmx is already installed at the requested version (2.7.0.ctan20150301-4)
pmx is already installed at the requested version (2.7.0.ctan20150301-4)
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

And:

# aptitude install musixtex
musixtex is already installed at the requested version (1:1.20.ctan20151216-4)
musixtex is already installed at the requested version (1:1.20.ctan20151216-4)
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

Thanks,

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[Tex-music] Problems with PDF output

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, dear friends:

after using xml2pmx and obtaining the PMX file, I launch musixtex on
it but get a messed PDF output.  My system is a Debian Linux latest
version.  Anybody there using the same?  I'm attaching both PMX and
PDF outputs.  Please help who can.  It may be some bug in some
application, possibly dvips, but I don't know how to work it out.

Thanks in advance,

Rodolfo


bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


bach-bwv847prel_fug#2.pmx
Description: Binary data
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Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX: changes at the end of a system

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:12 AM  wrote:
>
> Rodolfo--
>
> I now understand exactly what you're looking for, and it poses a very
> interesting logical problem. I don't have a solution. But I will just say
> that in a way PMX has already solved the problem if you leave the line break
> locations up to PMX: if the meter change comes at the start of a new system
> it repeats it at the end of the old one; otherwise it doesn't do anything
> special.
>
> --Don

Thanks.  MusiXTeX should perhaps be implemented to apply that by
default when breaking line, because that's the convention in music
typesetting: otherwise the meter change will run the risk not be
clearly readable e.g. during instrumental execution.

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Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX: changes at the end of a system

[Rodolfo Medina]

Thanks indeed Don and Jean-Pierre: in both your examples though it
seems to me that you force break whereas what I'm looking for is a way
- if any - to tell TeX to add the meter change also on previous staff
*only* if break ever occur but leave everything as normal *if* instead
that break does not occur according to TeX's free choice in that real
moment...

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[Tex-music] MusiXTeX: changes at the end of a system

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

In MusiXTeX code: I usually change meter with, e.g.,

\generalmeter{\meterfrac{3}{4}}%
\changecontext%

just after the \enotes command; but I wish, in case of a system break,
that the change occurred not only at the start of the new system but
also at the end of the previous one, like a sort of an alert for the
reader.  How should I modify the above stuff in order to do so?  In
the manual I coudn't find any answer: Section 15.5 is titled "Changes
at the end of a system" but then does not explain it.

Thanks for any help.

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[Tex-music] [solved] Increase multiplicity of staff-crossing beam

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

> See Section 5.7 of musixdoc.pdf.


Fantastic.  Thanks.

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[Tex-music] Increase multiplicity of staff-crossing beam

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all!

In the following example, to be processed with simply:

  tex test
  musixlfx test
  tex test

the double bar of the staff-crossing beam should be different from it is: the
second bar (added by \nbbu) should actually be below the original one (started
by \ibl), whereas it is above it.  How can achieve what I want?

Thanks for any help.

Rodolfo

\input musixtex
\input pmx

\setclef1\bass%
\def\raisevolta{6\internote}%
\instrumentnumber{1}%
\setname1{}%
\setstaffs12%
\absoluteaccid%
\bigaccid%
\generalsignature{3}%
\generalmeter{\meterfrac44}%
\interstaff{9}%
\interstaff{12}%
\barnumbers%
\startextract
%beginmusic
\notes
\ibl3{'F}{-4}\qb3G%
|\qup e%
\nextvoice\roff{\ibl4d{-3}\qb4d}\sk%
\en
\notes
\tbl3\qb3{'E}%
\nextvoice\nbbu4\qb4c\tbu4\qb4b%
\en
\notes
\hl{''A}\sk\sk\sk%
\ibl3{`F}{-4}\qb3G\tbl3\qb3E%
|\sk\cu{'a}\qup b\sk\sk\cu{`g}%
\nextvoice\ibl4d7\qb4c\tbl4\qb4f%
\ibl4c{-4}\qb4d\tbl4\qb4b\ql e%
\en
\endextract

\vfill\eject\end
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX and MusiXTeX users: thoughts on printed area and paper size?

[Rodolfo Medina]

 writes:

> I'd like ask both PMX and raw MusiXTeX users to report what they routinely
> do to control printed page size, paper size, and centering, including your
> favorite numerical values. Of course any other comments or thoughts would be
> welcomed.


Hi, Don:

that's what I do in raw MusiXTeX:

\input eplain

\def\mypaper#1#2#3{% #1 page width, #2 page heigth, #3 unit of measure
  \special{papersize=#1#3,#2#3}
  \paperwidth=#1true#3
  \paperheight=#2true#3
}

\mypaper{348}{195}{mm} %landscape


Cheers,
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[Tex-music] [solved] Dashed crescendo

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rainer Dunker  writes:

> Am 08.05.2021 um 09:41:25 schrieb Rodolfo Medina:
>> [...]
>>
>> Rainer's example seems to be precise in placement, and besides has the
>> advantage that in \setlyrics the items don't need to be equal to the number
>> of notes they span.
>> 
>> Two issues though: suppose I have a piano score i.e. two staves per one
>> instrument; and suppose that I want to repeat the crescendo in another place
>> of the score: I get error as shown in test2.tex.
>
> In this case, itʼs easier and more flexible to not set the "cresc." label
> within \setlyrics. Instead, leave the text in \setlyrics empty and post the
> "cresc." directly as part of the notes coding. That way, you can post
> arbitrarily many such markers (with individual text if necessary) without
> having to prepare them at a central place (i.e., \setlyrics). See the attaced
> example test2.1.
>
> (I had expected that it works without the explicit \lyrruleend commands, but
> they seem to be necessary to continue the dash sequence across line breaks
> ...)


Thanks...!  That seems to work perfectly...

Great and precious help from all of you...

Cheers,
Rodolfo

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Re: [Tex-music] Dashed crescendo

[Rodolfo Medina]

 writes:

> \assignlyrics1{cresc1} % can be placed before any note
> ...
> \assignlyrics1{}% can placed after any note


Unfortunately the placement is not precise as shows test3.tex.

Rainer's example seems to be precise in placement, and besides has the
advantage that in \setlyrics the items don't need to be equal to the number of
notes they span.

Two issues though: suppose I have a piano score i.e. two staves per one
instrument; and suppose that I want to repeat the crescendo in another place of
the score: I get error as shown in test2.tex.

Please still help.

It still remains quite complicated and personally I think that in future
versions of MusiXTeX a special simple command should be dedicated to that sort
of `dashed' crescendo which is quite a lot used.

Thanks,
Rodolfo


\input musixtex
\input musixlyr

% all preparations in the preamble
\setlyrics{cresc1}{cresc.-{}} % empty syllable "anchors" the hypenation end
\assignlyrics1{cresc1}
\setsongraise1{-1\Interligne}
\def\lyrhyphenchar{\_}
\minmulthyphens8mm

\setstaffs12%
\startpiece
\notes
\lyricsoff % no lyrics at every note automatically
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %2
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %3
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %4
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %5
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %6
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %7
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %8
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %9
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %10
\notes
\qu{ab}%
\llyr\lyrrule\lyr % left-aligned "cresc." at following note
\qu{cd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %11
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %12
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %13
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %14
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\znotes\lyrruleend\lyr\en % empty syllable finishes hyphens just at the barline
\bar %15
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %16
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %17
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %18
\notes
\llyr\lyrrule\lyr % left-aligned "cresc." at following note
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %19
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %20
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\znotes\lyrruleend\lyr\en % empty syllable finishes hyphens just at the barline
\bar %21
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
|\qu{abcd}%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end
\input musixtex
\input musixlyr

\setlyrics{cresc1}{cresc.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -}
\def\lyrhyphenchar{\_}
\minmulthyphens8mm

\startpiece
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %2
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %3
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %4
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %5
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %6
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %7
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %8
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %9
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %10
\notes
\lyr\qu{ab}\assignlyrics1{cresc1}%
\qu{cd}%
\en
\bar %11
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %12
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %13
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %14
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\assignlyrics1{}%
\en
\bar %15
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %16
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %17
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %18
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %19
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %20
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %21
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end
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[Tex-music] Dashed crescendo (was: Dotted crescendo)

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> I don't see in the MusiXTeX manual the `dotted' crescendo, something like
> that:
>
>
>  cresc. ______________
>
>
> which is fairly used in musical notation.  Maybe worth thinking of adding that
> in next versions?


The following minimal attached example, to be processed with simply

 $ tex test
 $ musixflx test
 $ tex test

seems to do quite a little what I want except that I don't manage to start the
crescendo exactly where I want: suppose I want it to start in the middle of the
measure: I don't manage to do that.  It *will* start just at the beginning of
measure.  Please help.

Thanks,
Rodolfo

%%%

\input musixtex
\input musixlyr

\setlyrics{cresc1}{cresc.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -}
\def\lyrhyphenchar{\_}
\minmulthyphens8mm

\startpiece
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %2
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %3
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %4
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %5
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %6
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %7
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %8
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %9
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\assignlyrics1{cresc1}\setsongraise1{-1\Interligne}%
\bar %10
\notes
\lyr\qu{ab}\qu{cd}%
\en
\bar %11
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %12
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %13
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %14
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %15
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %16
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %17
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\assignlyrics1{}%
\bar %18
\notes
\lyr\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %19
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %20
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %21
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end
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Re: [Tex-music] Dotted crescendo

[Rodolfo Medina]

Thanks for everybody's help.

It is being quite difficult to me...

In the minimal attached example, to be processed with simply

 $ tex test
 $ musixflx test
 $ tex test

I want to start my "dashed" crescendo at the beginning of bar 10 and terminate
it at the beginning of bar 18, but don't manage to.  Please help.

Thanks,

Cheers,
Rodolfo


\input musixtex
\input musixlyr

\setlyrics{italcresc}{cresc.-}
\assignlyrics1{italcresc}
\def\lyrhyphenchar{\_}
\minmulthyphens8mm

\startpiece
\notes
\lyricsoff
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %2
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %3
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %4
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %5
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %6
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %7
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %8
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %9
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %10
\notes
\lyr\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %11
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %12
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %13
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %14
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %15
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %16
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %17
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %18
\notes
\lyr\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %19
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %20
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\bar %21
\notes
\qu{abcd}%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end
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Re: [Tex-music] Dotted crescendo

[Rodolfo Medina]

Jean-Pierre Coulon  writes:

> Do you mean the _cresc_ word followed by hyphens or dashed crescendo
> hairpins?
>
> I have already made the first. See p.4


Yes, I mean `cresc.' followed by sort of underscores, or hyphens.  P.4 of
version 1.31 January 7?  mmmhh...  I don't see it.

thanks

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[Tex-music] Dotted crescendo

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all, dear MusiXTeX people:

I don't see in the MusiXTeX manual the `dotted' crescendo, something like that:


 cresc. ______________


which is fairly used in musical notation.  Maybe worth thinking of adding that
in next versions?

Thanks,

greetings

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Re: [Tex-music] Problem with tremolo in simple PMX example

[Rodolfo Medina]

 writes:

> I'm very puzzled why " cd22xT20 g" didn't work for you because it did work
> for me (using PMX 2.94).

Hi, Don, thank you.  I'm using PMX 2.94 too.  Maybe it is musixtex version?
Mine are:

 This is musixtex.lua version 0.21.
 This is PMX, Version 2.94 , 17 Mar 20


> I do get the same error message you got with " cd22xT02 g". Half note (or
> dotted half) tremolos are intentionally not allowed.


I had looked at PMX manual, where half note tremolos are implemented and
illustrated with examples, as you say:


> I think I just ran out of gas when implementing them, so they're limited to
> half, quarter, or eighth notes.


What is it meant by unmeasured tremolo?  Unbeamed?



Thanks,

Cheers

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Re: [Tex-music] Problem with tremolo in simple PMX example

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
>
>> The following simple PMX file:
>>
>> %
>> ---
>> %\input musixlyr
>> %\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
>> ---
>> %|
>> %
>> %
>> %
>> %
>> %Part P1 : Piano
>> %
>> %
>> % nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
>>  2 -1 2
>> % mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
>>  6 8 6 8 0 -3
>> %
>> % npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
>>  0 5 16 0.07
>> Piano
>> bt
>> ./
>> Tt
>>
>> Tc
>>
>> Abepl
>> \\input musixper\
>> %%w277m
>> %%h390m
>>
>> cd22xT02 g /
>> r2 r4 /
>> %
>>
>> when processed with `musixtex file' produces the following error:
>>
>>  Unbeamed half-note 2-note tremolo forbidden.
>>
>> Please help since I don't understand what the problem is.
>
>
> ...On the other hand, if I put
>
>   cd22xT20 g /
>
> instead, I get
>
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> l.545 \pnotes{3.46}\ibbu1F0\hbp
>1 C|\zqp{'C}\qup{`E}\en%
>


In the end I workarounded it putting `cd42xT20 g cd42xT20 g'...

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Re: [Tex-music] Problem with tremolo in simple PMX example

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> The following simple PMX file:
>
> %
> ---
> %\input musixlyr
> %\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
> ---
> %|
> %
> %
> %
> %
> %Part P1 : Piano
> %
> %
> % nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
>  2 -1 2
> % mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
>  6 8 6 8 0 -3
> %
> % npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
>  0 5 16 0.07
> Piano
> bt
> ./
> Tt
>
> Tc
>
> Abepl
> \\input musixper\
> %%w277m
> %%h390m
>
> cd22xT02 g /
> r2 r4 /
> %
>
> when processed with `musixtex file' produces the following error:
>
>  Unbeamed half-note 2-note tremolo forbidden.
>
> Please help since I don't understand what the problem is.


...On the other hand, if I put

  cd22xT20 g /

instead, I get

! Undefined control sequence.
l.545 \pnotes{3.46}\ibbu1F0\hbp
   1 C|\zqp{'C}\qup{`E}\en%






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[Tex-music] Problem with tremolo in simple PMX example

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, dear friends.

The following simple PMX file:

%%%
---
%\input musixlyr
%\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
---
%|
%
%
%
%
%Part P1 : Piano
%
%
% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
 2 -1 2
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 6 8 6 8 0 -3
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
 0 5 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt

Tc

Abepl
\\input musixper\
%%w277m
%%h390m

cd22xT02 g /
r2 r4 /
%%%

when processed with `musixtex file' produces the following error:

 Unbeamed half-note 2-note tremolo forbidden.

Please help since I don't understand what the problem is.

Thanks

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

[Rodolfo Medina]

 writes:

> Andre, if you tried that and got it to work, I'd really like to see your PMX
> file. When I tried it, it definitely failed. It looks to me like PMX simply
> doesn't allow staff-jumping beamed xtuplets. At the moment I'm not inclined
> to modify the PMX code to allow this. But Rodolfo, if you could send me an
> image of what you are trying to produce, I have some ideas about how to do
> it with inline TeX.


Thank you, Don.  In Kreisleriana Op.16 n.8:

 
https://imslp.simssa.ca/files/imglnks/usimg/9/9f/IMSLP70919-PMLP02821-Schumann--Kreisleriana-Op16--Ed-B%26H.pdf

at the bottom of p.28 of the PDF document (p.29 of the score) Schumann switches
from 6/8 tempo to 2/4 only in the left hand whereas in the right hand there
remains 6/8.  I suppose PMX can't handle different times in different staves,
so that could be achieved with a 2/4 in both hands and triplets in the right
hand.  Can you see it?  They are staff-crossing 8ths triplets with two 16ths (a
rest and a pitch) inside them.  Possible to have this with PMX?

Thanks, Greetings

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[Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, Don, hi all...

In a tuplet, if I try to use the expression `j]', PMX complains that 

 In xtup, this character is not allowed

So, this means it is not possible, in PMX, to have cross-stave tuplets?

Thanks for any help,

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Re: [Tex-music] Middle of staff?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|> Rodolfo: \zmidstaff is designed for *text* (like p),
>  >|> not arbitrary symbols with unpredictable vertical
>  >|> extents.
>  >|
>  >|Thank you, Bob, I'm learning now what you say, but
>  >|on p.53 of my copy of MusiXTeX manual it says that
>  >|\crescendo should be used as argument of \zcharnote,
>  >|\zchar, \uptext, \zmidstaff, etc.
>
> It's not that it doesn't work at all but the vertical
> position may not be what you're evidently expecting, which
> would require knowledge of the vertical extent of the
> "text". You'll have to avoid \zmidstaff and use \zcharnote
> with a suitable first argument.


All right, I'll definitely do as you suggest...  Anyway, it is true that the
vertical extent of \(de)crescendo is unpredictable, but such vertical extent
develops itself around a particular and constant central line that should be
put in the middle of staff by \zmidstaff.  I'll use \zcharnote anyway...

thanks, good day

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Re: [Tex-music] Middle of staff?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|it is evident that the \crescendo is not at all
>  >|vertically at the middle of the staff although it is
>  >|within the \zmidstaff macro: in faith, it is a little
>  >|below. Why?
>
> Rodolfo: \zmidstaff is designed for *text* (like p), not
> arbitrary symbols with unpredictable vertical extents.  


Thank you, Bob, I'm learning now what you say, but on p.53 of my copy of
MusiXTeX manual it says that \crescendo should be used as argument of
\zcharnote, \zchar, \uptext, \zmidstaff, etc.

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[Tex-music] Middle of staff?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dear all,

in the following basic example:

%%%
\input musixtex

\setstaffs12%
\startpiece
\Notes
\zmidstaff{\ppff{p}}%
\en
\Notes
\zmidstaff{\crescendo{5\elemskip}}%
\en
\Notes
\en
\Endpiece

\bye
%%%

, to be processed with simply `tex file', it is evident that the \crescendo is
not at all vertically at the middle of the staff although it is within the
\zmidstaff macro: in faith, it is a little below.  Why?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] Please help with PMX file

[Rodolfo Medina]

 writes:

> Rodolfo--
>
> Thanks for the PDF. Now I can attack the problem. But will you be satisfied
> with a solution that might involve in-line TeX in the PMX file? Without
> experimenting, I'm not sure PMX can handle more than one staff-crossing beam
> within a bar.
>
> --Don


Hi, Don, thanks indeed...

The problem is in bar 184...  I've been trying to fix it but don't manage to.
In-line TeX should not be a problem for me, nay my final purpose is just the
TeX file, so it should be ok.  If you friends out there manage to fix that
damned measure 184, I'll be glad: I wish to add this score to my MusiXTeX
collection...

cheers

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[Tex-music] Please help with PMX file

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

I'm attaching a PMX file that I'm trying to process with: `musixtex file' but
there come too difficult errors for me to solve I'm afraid...  Particularly
about staff-crossing beams.  The file comes from a previous XML -> PMX
convertion with Dieter's fantastic XML2PMX.

Pleae help whoever can, thanks in advance.

Dear greetings,

Rodolfo



piano.pmx
Description: Binary data
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Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dieter  writes:

> *
>
> How can I close the gap between the 3rd and 4th sixteenth note in the 3rd
> measure?
>
> Regards, Dieter
>
> --
> 


Hi, Dieter:

here's my third measure:

% Bar count 3
\bar
\notes
\ibbl3{'D}{-1}\qb3D\qb3E\qb3C%
|\ibbu2d{-1}\qb2d\qb2e\qb2c%
\en
\notes
\itied1{'A}\tbl3\qb3{A}%
\ibbl3{A}0\ttie1\qb3A\qb3B\qb3A\fl A\tbl3\qb3{A!}%
\nextvoice\itieu0{a}\tbu2\qb2a%
\ibbu1{a}0\ttie0\qb1a\qb1b\qb1a\fl a\tbu1\qb1{a}%
\en

Let me know if it works for you...

Cheers,

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: \starteq and \endeq

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Don Simons"  writes:

> Well, another example of my fading memory. The explanation of what the
> macros do was correct, but the way you get PMX to use them is not by
> entering them explicitly as inline TeX; it's to insert the option Ae before
> the first input block of the page where you want the corrections it to
> start, then PMX does the work. And it turns out there's a fine explanation
> of that in the PMX manual, section 2.3.9 (version 2.94). The explanation
> also points out that if you want to override the equalization you can insert
> he macro \spread{n}\, and the space after that line will be increased by n
> \internotes. 
>
> Attached is a sample file. The first page has no vertical adjustments and
> shows how MusiXTeX gives unequal vertical spacing after the 2nd system.  The
> vertical corrections due to Ae start on the second page, which otherwise has
> exactly the same PMX input as the first page. The 3rd page shows how
> \spread{10}\ overrides the equalization after the 5th system.
>
>  Evidently, although it's OK to start Ae after the first page, once it's
> started, there's no easy way to turn it off. 
>
> Sorry for my confused memory.
>
> --Don


Thank you, Don...

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: \starteq and \endeq

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"Don Simons"  writes:

> Rodolfo et al--
>
> I sent this message 4 hours ago and it seems like it never got posted, so
> I'm trying again.
>
> [...]


Thanks indeed...  Received.

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[Tex-music] PMX: \starteq and \endeq

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi Don, hi Bob, hi everyone:

I wish to know the meaning and the role of the two PMX internal commands
\starteq and \endeq...  Can you please help me...?  Thanks.

Cheers,

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Re: [Tex-music] `The Entertainer' IMSLP engraving file

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

> My arrangement for 4 recorders has an autosp/musixtex source.

Fine, thanks...  I need the piano version though...


>  >|On IMSLP there are 5 different typset editions of Scott
>  >|Joplin's The Entertainer... One of those is declared to
>  >|be MuseScore and MusicXML source, the other 4 are not
>  >|declared at all... Does anyone know if among them is a
>  >|pmx/MusiXTeX source...?
>
> The MusicXML score can be translated to pmx using Dieter's
> XML2PMX converter.

Yes, it worked, but I had to add a line: after line 34 I had to add the
following line 35:

 rb2 /

Besides, I had to change the file name from The_Entertainer.xml to
TheEntertainer.xml.  Besides, in TheEntertainer.tex, there are the `undefined
control sequences' Idecresc and Tcresc which are not present in musixtex.tex
nor in pmx.tex...  Where do they come from...?

thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] `The Entertainer' IMSLP engraving file

[Rodolfo Medina]

Jean-Pierre Coulon  writes:

> Try to open each with Adobe Reader. Open the File tab, Document properties,
> Fonts. If it is PMX or MusiXTeX you should see TeXMUSIX* fonts.


Thanks...  I used Evince to check, and it seems that none of them is
PMX/MusiXTeX...

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[Tex-music] `The Entertainer' IMSLP engraving file

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

On IMSLP there are 5 different typset editions of Scott Joplin's The
Entertainer...  One of those is declared to be MuseScore and MusicXML source,
the other 4 are not declared at all...  Does anyone know if among them is a
pmx/MusiXTeX source...?

thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

Debussy's Arabesque is one of the `liberated' scores, I think...  for
the other ones, in my experience, since a month or two you
have to pay now 7 euros/month

rodolfo

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:02 PM Christian Mondrup <
c...@icking-music-archive.org> wrote:

> Den 14.05.2020 kl. 19.18 skrev Jean-Pierre Coulon:
> > On Thu, 14 May 2020, Christian Mondrup wrote:
> >
> >> To test this I logged out from my membership and clicked to download
> >> the first score, an autograph facsimile. And yes, I do get a request
> >> for signing up for a membership. But near the top of the page there is
> >> a link saying 'Click here to continue your download.'. Clicking this
> >> link gets me past the page, and the download of the score starts.
> >
> > Are you speaking about an imslp download or an openscore download ?
>
> I misunderstood your posting and tested downloading the Debussy score
> from IMSLP withour being logged in.
>
> >
> > I experimented an openscore download.
> >
>
> I did this a few minutes ago. And yes, I'm asked to sign in to Openscore
> in order to download the score. I'm using Musescore now and then and
> signed up for an account long ago. After my login the download of the
> Debussy score started. I don't encounter any request for paid membership.
>
> Greetings
> --
> Christian Mondrup
> WIMA: Werner Icking Music Archive
> http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:WIMA_files
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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

from https://openscore.cc:

OpenScore brings together the two largest sheet music communities to tackle
this challenge: *MuseScore* and *IMSLP*

*[...]*

*and*


*OpenScore is an initiative by MuseScore  and IMSLP
*

*and, from
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openscore/openscore-join-the-sheet-music-revolution?ref=3r6uud
:*


*Become a Silver Liberator. Put your favorite work on the Liberation List
and be credited inside the OpenScore Edition. (The work cannot already be
on the Liberation List or the Iconic Works List - https://goo.gl/SwdKxj
. It must be in the public domain worldwide and
available on IMSLP.)*

*and:*


*Choose the piece or composer that you want to liberate. If the work has
not been marked as liberated yet, you can be the one to back it. Remember,
the work and composer must be listed on IMSLP as being in the public domain
worldwide. Check to make sure nobody else has already liberated the
piece: https://goo.gl/SwdKxj *

As soon as you have selected your reward, send us a message

to tell us which piece or composer you would like to see liberated. All you
need to send is a link to the IMSLP page (e.g. this work
 or this
composer ). We will
get back to you if your chosen piece or composer is ineligible for
liberation and ask you to pick another. We will contact you for other
information once the campaign is over.

and:

Now is your chance to dedicate the piece you love to someone that matters.
This optional dedication will appear in all versions of the finished score.
Art for the heart! Remember, the work must be listed on IMSLP as being in
the public domain worldwide. See if your piece is available for dedication:
https://goo.gl/SwdKxj

and:

As soon as you have selected your reward, send us a message

to tell us which piece you would like to dedicate. All you need to send is
a link to the work's IMSLP page (e.g. this one
). We
will get back to you if your chosen piece is ineligible for liberation and
ask you to pick another. We will contact you for other information (such as
the text for your dedication) once the campaign is over.

rodolfo

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:06 PM Jean-Pierre Coulon  wrote:

> Openscore is the showroom of the music typesetting application musesore.
> There are a few associations like this one. Read: New Engravings and
> Typesets, accepting scores in their typeset format in
> https://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:Sheet_Music_Projects
>
> Where do you find the idea of associating with imslp?
>
> --
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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

from https://openscore.cc:

OpenScore brings together the two largest sheet music communities to tackle
this challenge: *MuseScore* and *IMSLP*

*[...]*

*thanks,*


*Rodolfo*

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:29 PM Carlo Centemeri 
wrote:

> I did a quick check: they did a kickstarter campaign years ago, but the
> form to register seems to be unavailable.
> The project seems to be in the "all-in" IMSLP philosophy, alias a whole
> range of scores with editions made in any way (in terms of editorial
> criteria) but free. Which is the wrong message (which sources are you
> relying on? Are you just making a free transcription of a copyrighted
> edition? What is text and what is editor choice? etc).
> In this case the idea seems to be "let's supply an editable version so you
> don't have to spend time in preparing your own edition if you need
> parts-transposition-whatever" that adds, anyway, an additional passage
> between the edition and the user.
> If this were an "amateurs for amateurs" thing it may work just fine,
> however - since I keep on meeting people that in concerts/recordings/study
> - use as a reference any kind of "edition" as long as it is free (and I
> won't name the tons of "self-called-baroque-specialists" who will use "the
> manuscript", i.e. any kind of handwritten stuff - handwritten by who? when?
> for which purpose? - found anywhere), I still look with some suspicion this
> approach which could just add garbage.
>
> I remember being part of this world from before Werner Icking died, and
> even having published some scholarly editions, I have transcribed hours and
> hours of music for personal study and for performances, however, I've
> always felt the doubt that the transcription made could be of any worth for
> anybody else (and even when people write me for the scores used in my
> records I provide them for free but always fearing that something might be
> wrong).
>
>  I have always seen much respect to the web from the members of this
> community, and therefore this idea of "please upload as much stuff as you
> can", maybe I'm old, but it leaves me a bit puzzled.
> Carlo
>
>
>
> Il giorno gio 14 mag 2020 alle ore 14:02 Rodolfo Medina <
> rodolfo.med...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> About Openscore project, that claims collaborating with IMSLP: did I
>> understand
>> wrong, or they ask people for money: primarily, to work for them; and
>> secondly,
>> to purchase those scores that people typed paying for that...?
>>
>> What do you think about it?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Rodolfo
>>
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[Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

About Openscore project, that claims collaborating with IMSLP: did I
understand
wrong, or they ask people for money: primarily, to work for them; and
secondly,
to purchase those scores that people typed paying for that...?

What do you think about it?

thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] Jensen's Etueden

[Rodolfo Medina]

Jean-Pierre Coulon  writes:

> On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> Thanks...  As a Linux user, I have Audiveris for that purpose,,, but can't
>> make
>> it work as it's supposed to, it looks really hard for me and has no mailing
>> helping lists nor forums where to ask for other people's practice and
>> ability...  Any users out there...?
>
> It seems Audiveris has its forum: 
> https://github.com/Audiveris/audiveris/issues


fantastic...  thanks!

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Re: [Tex-music] Jensen's Etueden

[Rodolfo Medina]

Jean-Pierre Coulon  writes:

> On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> Adolf Jensen's Etuden Op.32 are beautiful...  On IMSLP of course they are
>> only present in scanned PDFs.  I tried to run Sharpeye and Audiveris on them
>> in order to get a MusicXML format to be in turn converted to PMX via Dieter
>> Gloetzel's tool: but with very very poor result...  Well, I was wondering if
>> anybody out there has ever typed them into PMX/MusiXTeX form...
>
> A friend who has Finale uses smartscore to obtain .xml files from a pdf or a
> tif.


Thanks...  As a Linux user, I have Audiveris for that purpose,,, but can't make
it work as it's supposed to, it looks really hard for me and has no mailing
helping lists nor forums where to ask for other people's practice and
ability...  Any users out there...?

Rodolfo
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[Tex-music] Jensen's Etueden

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

Adolf Jensen's Etuden Op.32 are beautiful...  On IMSLP of course they are only
present in scanned PDFs.  I tried to run Sharpeye and Audiveris on them in
order to get a MusicXML format to be in turn converted to PMX via Dieter
Gloetzel's tool: but with very very poor result...  Well, I was wondering if
anybody out there has ever typed them into PMX/MusiXTeX form...

thanks, cheers

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP Chopin's mazurka pmx engraving files

[Rodolfo Medina]

Christian Mondrup  writes:

>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Rodolfo Medina
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 2:12 PM
>> To: tex-music@tug.org
>> Subject: [Tex-music] IMSLP Chopin's mazurka pmx engraving files
>>
>> With the occasion, I renew my proposal of creating a separate repository
>> with PMX/MusiXTeX sources.  They are only 1% of all the scores in IMSLP now:
>> creating such a separate section could hopefully have the effect of, or
>> help, increasing them...
>
> Unfortunately not as easy as you might imagine. IMSLP is based on Wikipedia
> software. Compositions are handled in 'work pages' which are basically
> Wikipedia articles. A work page registers a composition and any number of
> engravings, including scans of old, out-of-copyright printed scores and/or
> autographs and new engravings. If any of the new engravings are prepared with
> musixtex they can't just be moved to another context. It would require quite
> heavy Wikimedia template programming to tag musixtex engravings such that they
> could be looked up as a separate group. Provided a suitable template were
> provided then IMSLP staff members or volunteers capable of editing work pages
> would need to look up all musixtex engravings (using the IMSLP Google search
> facility) and mark the software files (if present). I'm afraid that'll never
> happen.


Maybe the new PMX/MusiXTeX repository could work `from now on' for new
submissions, and the old ones already present in IMSLP could gradually, one at
a time, from time to time, now and then, when anybody feels like, be moved into
the new archive...

thanks,

rodolfo

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP Chopin's mazurka pmx engraving files

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Andre Van Ryckeghem"  writes:

> This is in casewhat you are looking for.
> If the pmx source is needed, i can provide it.
>
> Uploading to ISMLP is a bit tedious. Years ago, Christian did it for me.
>
> The midi is made from an adapted pmx file.
>
> Andre



Thank you...  yes, please, I wish to have the PMX, or MusiXTeX, source...

Cheers,

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[Tex-music] IMSLP Chopin's mazurka pmx engraving files

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

Chopin's mazurka Op.67 n.2 .pmx file at IMSLP is uncomplete: it only includes
the first measure.  Why...?

With the occasion, I renew my proposal of creating a separate repository with
PMX/MusiXTeX sources.  They are only 1% of all the scores in IMSLP now:
creating such a separate section could hopefully have the effect of, or help,
increasing them...

thanks, cheers

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[Tex-music] Please help with two-staves beam

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, dear friends...

in the example I'm attaching (to be processed with simply : tex file; musixflx
file; tex file) I want to share a beam (the beam number 1) between the two
staves but a strange undesired effect occurs, as you can see, that I don't
understand why...

Please help whoever can...

Thanks in advance,

Rodolfo

\input musixtex
\input pmx

\setclef1\treble%
\setstaffs12%
\startpiece
\Notes
\qp\sk\sk\sk\sk\qb1e%
|{\ibbl0{'c}2}\qb0{'fbc!}\tbl0\qb0{'g!}%
\ibbl1g0\qb1{'e!}\sk\qb1{'ab!''ba!}\tbl1\qb1{'g!}%
\en
\Endpiece

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Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX overfull box problem

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|I get an overfull box at the end of the staff system. Why
>  >|does it occur, and how to avoid it...?
>
> You're trying to squeeze too much into one system.  Replace
>
> \parindent2cm%
>
> by  
>
> \parindent1.5cm%
>
> and there's no problem.
>
> Bob


Thanks, this solved the problem...  But what I wonder is: why didn't TeX divide
all that too much into two systems...?

Rodolfo
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[Tex-music] MusiXTeX overfull box problem

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

In the attached MusiXTeX example, to be processed with simply:

 $ tex file
 $ musixflx file
 $ tex file,

I get an overfull box at the end of the staff system.  Why does it occur, and
how to avoid it...?

Please help whoever can.

Thanks in advance,

Rodolfo

\input musixtex
\input pmx
\par\nobreak
\parindent2cm%
\setname1{Pianof.}%
\def\raiseped{-12}%
\relativeaccid%
\transpose-2%
\instrumentnumber{1}%
\setstaffs12
\setclef1\bass
\generalsignature{5}%
\generalmeter{\meterfrac44}%
\interstaff{11}%
\startpiece
\notes
\lpz F\cu F%
\en
\bar %2
\notes
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\zcharnote K{\medtype3}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
\en
\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerpause\en}%
\bar %3
\notes
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
|\zh i\zcharnote r{\medtype5}\hl p\sk\sk\sk\fl i\zh i\fl p\hl p%
\en
\bar %4
\notes
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
|\zh h\hl o\sk\sk\sk\zcharnote q{\medtype4}\fl h\zh h\fl o\hl o%
\en
\bar %5
\notes
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
|\zh{=h}\hl{=o}\sk\sk\sk\zcharnote q{\medtype5}\fl h\zh h\fl o\hl o%
\nextvoice%
\hroff{\zw k}%
\en
\bar %6
\notes
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\zcharnote I{\medtype4}\qb0G\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\zcharnote O{\medtype2}\upz K\qb0K%
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0G\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\upz G\qb0G%
|\zw{gi}\wh n%
\en
\bar %7
\notes
\pdld\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu\lpz F\qb0F%
\pdld%
\ibl0J{-2}\qb0I\zqb0P\qb0d\zqb0P\qb0d\tbl0\pdlu%
\lpz F\qb0F%
|\zw{fi}\wh m%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end
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Re: [Tex-music] Experience with Musescore MusicXML files

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dieter  writes:

> I want to share with you my recent experience with decoding Mozart Piano
> Sonata K545.

Thanks, Dieter:

what about publishing your PMX source of Mozart's K545 at IMSLP...?  ;-)

Cheers,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] Experience with Musescore MusicXML files

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dieter  writes:

> I want to share with you my recent experience with decoding Mozart Piano
> Sonata K545. (Musescore provides the MusicXML file ).
>
> When I run XML2PMX on  I do not get passed measure 25 with the
> a5-trill. The reason is an original idea of MuseScore.
>
> It seems they want to include the notes of the trill (all 32nd notes)
> for use in Midi playing. The trick is that the right hand gets two voices:
>
> the main note "a0" and the 32  trill notes:  "a35 b35 . . ." plus the
> after grace: "g35 a35."
>
> However these trill notes  are not meant for printing and are marked
> with "print-object="no">".
>
> The pesent version of XML2PMX discards them from the beginning.
>
> The nasty thing is, I first have to detect the second voice for the
> trill notes and then later have to discard them.
>
> This last step is waiting to be programmed.


Hi, Dieter:

an alternative could be to simply modify the score (e.g. deleting that trill
and replacing it with a simpler notation of it) via Musescore, and then
exporting the result to MusicXML format...

Cheers,

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Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX: system break problem

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Hi all.
>
> I'm attaching a MusiXTeX example with overfull hbox at system break.  I wonder
> why TeX doesn't break at the previous bar...


mmmhhh...  maybe I understand...  breaking at any of the previous bars would
maybe make too short the last system of the piece...

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[Tex-music] MusiXTeX: system break problem

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

I'm attaching a MusiXTeX example with overfull hbox at system break.  I wonder
why TeX doesn't break at the previous bar...  It is allowed to...  Please help
whoever can.  Process with simply: `tex test; musixflx test; tex test'; or
also: `musixtex test'.

Thanks,

Rodolfo

\input musixtex
\input pmx
\largemusicsize

%Stillung Mari\"a mit dem Aufenstandenen
\par\nobreak
\parindent2cm%
\setclef1\bass%
\instrumentnumber{2}%
\setname1{Pianof.}%
\setname2{Canto}%
\setstaffs12%
\relativeaccid%
\generalsignature{0}%
\generalmeter{}%
\meterskip5pt%
\startpiece
% Bar count 1
\notes
\bigsh{'G}\zqp G\clp E%
|\zqp{''b}\cna{`g}\clp g%
\en
\notes
\qs%
|\qs%
\en
\notes
\zq{'G}\ql E\zq{'A}\ql{`B}%
|\zq{''b}\ql{`g}\zq{'e}\sh{`f}\ql f%
\en
\def\value{0}\def\atnextbar{\znotes|&\CenterBar{\pausc}{-2}{\value}\en}%
% Bar count 2
\bar
\notes
\bigsh{'G}\zqp G\clp E%
|\zqp{''b}\clp{`g}%
\en
\notes
\qs%
|\qs%
\en
\notes
\ibl1{''B}1\qb1B\bigsh C\tbl1\qb1C%
|\ibl2{''a}{-1}\qb2a\tbl2\qb2{`g}%
\en
\notes
\qlp{''B}%
|\qlp{''a}%
\en
\notes
\cl{''A}\ibl1C{-2}\qb1D\tbl1\qb1B%
|\cl{''b}\ibl2{`g}1\qb2g\tbl2\qb2{'a}%
\en
\def\value{0}\def\atnextbar{\znotes|&\CenterBar{\pausc}{-2}{\value}\en}%
% Bar count 3
\bar
\notes
\bigsh{'G}\zqp G\clp E%
|\zqp{''b}\clp{`g}%
\en
\notes
\qs%
|\qs%
\en
\notes
\zq{'G}\ql E\zq{'A}\ql{`B}%
|\zq{''b}\ql{`g}\zq{'e}\sh{`f}\ql f%
\en
\def\value{0}\def\atnextbar{\znotes|&\CenterBar{\pausc}{-2}{\value}\en}%
% Bar count 4
\bar
\notes
{\itied0{'E}}{\itieu1{'G}}\bigsh{'G}\zhp G%
\hlp E%
|\itied2{'g}\itieu3{'b}\zhp b\hlp{`g}%
&\qp\ibl3{'a}{-2}\qb3b\tbl3\qb3{`g}%
\en
\notes
|&\qup{'a}%
\en
\notes
\itied4{'E}\ttie0\itieu0G%
\ttie1\zh G\hl E%
|\itied1{'g}\ttie2%
\itieu2{'b}\ttie3\zh b\hl{`g}%
&\en
\notes
|&\ibu3{'a}{-1}\qb3b\qb3{`g}\tbu3\qb3{'a}%
\en
% Bar count 5
\bar
\notes
\ttie4\ttie0\zqp{'G}\clp E%
|\ttie1\ttie2\zqp{''b}\clp{`g}%
&\ql{'b}%
\en
\notes
\qs%
|\qs%
&\en
\notes
\zq{''A}\ql{`B}%
|\zq{''e}\sh{`f}\ql f%
&\ql{'b}%
\en
% Bar count 6
\bar
\notes
\zqp{'G}\sh E\clp E%
|\zqp{''b}\clp{`g}%
\en
\notes
\qs%
|\qs%
\en
\notes
\zq{'G}\ql E\zq{'A}\ql{`B}%
|\zq{''b}\ql{`g}\zq{'e}\sh{`f}\ql f%
\en
\def\value{0}\def\atnextbar{\znotes|&\CenterBar{\pausc}{-2}{\value}\en}%
% Bar count 7
\bar
\notes
\bigsh{'G}\zw G\wh E\ibl1{'B}1\qb1B%
\sk\bigsh{C}\tbl1\qb1C%
|\zw{''b}\wh{`g}\ibl2{'a}{-1}\qb2a%
\sk\tbl2\qb2{`g}%
&\qp\ibu3{'a}{-1}\qb3a\tbu3\qb3{`g}\qup{'a}\cl{b}%
{\triolet{'a}}\ibu3{`g}0\qb3{gg}%
\tbu3\qb3{'a}%
\en
\Endpiece
\vfill\eject\end
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[Tex-music] XML2PMX: no time signature

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, Dieter, hi all.

I'm experimenting that XML2PMX gives error when processing MusicXML files
without time signature.  I'm reporting two two examples, taken from here:

 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/input/regression/musicxml/collated-files.html

Both examples are correctly opened by Musescore, so they appear to be regular.

first example:

---

http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd";>



A score without 
a time signature (but with a key and 
clefs)










1
0
2
G2
F4


F4
4
1
whole
1

384

B2
4
2
whole
2




---



second example:

---

http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd";>

  

  Senza-misura time 
signature

  
  

  MusicXML Part

  
  
  

  
2

  0
  major


  


  G
  2

  
  

  B
  4

1
1
eighth
begin
  
  

  B
  4

1
1
eighth
continue
  
  

  B
  4

1
1
eighth
end
  
  
light-heavy
  

  
  

---


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Cheers,

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[Tex-music] ScanScore

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

Here's another tool for PDF -> MusicXML conversion:

 https://scan-score.com/

It looks really good, but the trial version doesn't allow exportation into
MusicXML I can't make sure how good it is...  Does anyone know it and have
tested it...?

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Re: [Tex-music] PDFtoMusic

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dirk Laurie  writes:

> Op Di. 21 Mei 2019 om 22:15 het Rodolfo Medina
>  geskryf:
>
>> Really interesting and passioning this matter, a big one no doubt, of the
>> application of, and translation between, different languages of electronic
>> music writing.
>
> I think one must have one central language, so that adding one conversion
> to/from it automatically gives you conversion to the others.
>
> I suppose MusicXML is the main candidate for that central language, and we
> already have XML2PMX. But we don't (yet) have PMX2XML :-(


We can do:

 MusiXTeXPDFtoMusic
PMX --> PDF > MusicXML

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP submissions

[Rodolfo Medina]

In the end, all 4 my contributions are now visible also without logging in...
three days after...

Thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP submissions

[Rodolfo Medina]

Christian Mondrup  writes:

>
> I see 4 entries when I'm logged in. When I log out I don't see the Czerny
> entry. Maybe (part of) the explanation is that your 3 Czerny editions haven't
> yet been approved by the IMSLP staff. Please notice the 'X' formed icon to the
> left telling that the scores are waiting for approval.


Yes, thanks, but no, it isn't that...  Above those 3 there's another score from
me already approved but not seen unless logged in...

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP submissions

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bodo Meißner  writes:

> Am 12.06.2019 um 07:49 schrieb Rodolfo Medina:
>
>> Yes, but that makes no sense...  Besides, yesterday from another PC, without
>> being logged in, I could see all 4...  
>
> I also see all 4 works without being logged in.
>
>> So it really seems to be a Cache
>> matter...  but I cleared it again and again but still the problem is there,,,
>> Veronica suggests that it can take days...  But why?  It's not clear to me...
>
> In case there is a caching proxy somewhere between your PC and the IMSLP
> server, it may take some time to refresh the data in the proxy.
> But this should be possible only for HTTP connections or for HTTPS
> connections with a man-in-the-middle proxy, which is sometimes the case
> in company networks. (Your link uses HTTPS.)
>
> Maybe you could try a different browser on the affected PC to see if the
> problem is related to the browser.
>
> Bodo


I tried with a different browser but the problem remains.

Thanks,

Rodolfo

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP submissions

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Peter Vanroose"  writes:

> Aha, mistery (maybe) solved: I've just created an IMSLP account, and after
> having logged in I now see four Works, i.e., also "Practical Exercises for
> Beginners, Op.599 (Czerny, Carl) "
>
> So that one seems to be visible to IMSLP logged-in members only?

Yes, but that makes no sense...  Besides, yesterday from another PC, without
being logged in, I could see all 4...  So it really seems to be a Cache
matter...  but I cleared it again and again but still the problem is there,,,
Veronica suggests that it can take days...  But why?  It's not clear to me...

Rodolfo

> --  Peter.
>
> On 12 june 2019 03:35, Veronica Brandt  wrote:
>
>  I get four - maybe a browser caching issue?
>
>  On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 05:40, Rodolfo Medina
>   wrote:
>
>  "Peter Vanroose"  writes:
>
>  > FWIW: I also see just three Works:
>  >
>  > Minuet in G major, BWV Anh.114 (Pezold, Christian)
>  > Minuet in G minor, BWV Anh.115 (Pezold, Christian)
>  > Notebooks for Anna Magdalena Bach (Bach, Johann Sebastian)
>  >
>  > --  Peter.
>
>  Thanks...  They should be 4 as I recently added a Studio by Czerny... 
>  But they
>  say the see all 4...  On the other hand, from another PC, owned by a
>  friend of
>  mine, all 4 are seen...  I really don't understand...
>
>  Rodolfo
>
>  > On 11 june 2019 21:17, Rodolfo Medina
>   wrote:
>  >
>  >  On my page at IMSLP:
>  >
>  >  https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Medina%2C_Rodolfo
>  >
>  >  I see only three Works (edited by me). How many do you see? The
>  staff
>  >  assure
>  >  me that there are 4 Works and that I see only 3 because I should
>  clear my
>  >  web
>  >  browser's Cache... But I cleared it many times (Firefox, under
>  Linux) but
>  >  still see only three... Anybody could help...? 
>
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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP submissions

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Peter Vanroose"  writes:

> FWIW: I also see just three Works:
>
> Minuet in G major, BWV Anh.114 (Pezold, Christian)
> Minuet in G minor, BWV Anh.115 (Pezold, Christian)
> Notebooks for Anna Magdalena Bach (Bach, Johann Sebastian)
>
> --  Peter.


Thanks...  They should be 4 as I recently added a Studio by Czerny...  But they
say the see all 4...  On the other hand, from another PC, owned by a friend of
mine, all 4 are seen...  I really don't understand...

Rodolfo


> On 11 june 2019 21:17, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>
>  On my page at IMSLP:
>
>  https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Medina%2C_Rodolfo
>
>  I see only three Works (edited by me). How many do you see? The staff
>  assure
>  me that there are 4 Works and that I see only 3 because I should clear my
>  web
>  browser's Cache... But I cleared it many times (Firefox, under Linux) but
>  still see only three... Anybody could help...?
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[Tex-music] IMSLP submissions

[Rodolfo Medina]

On my page at IMSLP:

 https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Medina%2C_Rodolfo

I see only three Works (edited by me).  How many do you see?  The staff assure
me that there are 4 Works and that I see only 3 because I should clear my web
browser's Cache...  But I cleared it many times (Firefox, under Linux) but
still see only three...  Anybody could help...?

Thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] XML2PMX example

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Hi, Dieter, hi all.
>
> The following MusicXML example fails for me when processed with XML2PMX, but I
> don't understand why.  When opened up with Musescore, it seems all right.
>
> Please help.


...Or, even simpler:


http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd";>

  

  Piano

  
  

  
8

  2
  major


  2
  4

2

  G
  2


  F
  4

  
  

  A
  5

16
1
half
1
  

16



1
4
32nd
2


  

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[Tex-music] XML2PMX example

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, Dieter, hi all.

The following MusicXML example fails for me when processed with XML2PMX, but I
don't understand why.  When opened up with Musescore, it seems all right.

Please help.

Thanks,

Rodolfo


http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd";>

  

  Piano

  
  

  
6720

  2
  major


  2
  4

2

  G
  2


  F
  4

  
  

  A
  5

6720
1
quarter
1
  

6720



840
4
32nd
2


  

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Re: [Tex-music] Old PC gets tired when running XML2PMX

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|> How much memory does that system have?  I suggest executing "top"
>  >|> in a separate window and watching what happens during the XML2PMX
>  >|> execution.
>  >|
>  >|
>  >|`top' shows that more than 80% of memory is engaged by XML2PMX, and
>  >|about 10%
>  >|of CPU.
>
> XML2PMX was written for the Oberon system and I conjecture
> that the Linux version uses an emulation of the Oberon
> system which is likely too big for your system, so it's
> swapping pages to and from your hard drive.
>
> What can you do? You could take it to a computer repair
> place and ask whether they can add more memory.

Done!  They replaced the old 1GB RAM with a 2GB new one (used actually) and now
XML2PMX takes just a few seconds to process a file...

Thanks!

Cheers,

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Re: [Tex-music] Old PC gets tired when running XML2PMX

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|When I run XML2PMX from my 9 years old Acer One, with
>  >|Debian Linux as operating system, on any MusicXML file,
>  >|it takes several minutes for the file to be processed,
>  >|and meanwhile the PC sticks on any other application.
>  >|Once finished, it takes another some minutes for the
>  >|machine to get back normal again. This does not happen
>  >|running MusiXTeX even on large PMX or TeX files.
>
> How much memory does that system have?  I suggest executing "top"
> in a separate window and watching what happens during the XML2PMX
> execution.


`top' shows that more than 80% of memory is engaged by XML2PMX, and about 10%
of CPU.

$ free -m
  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:926  87 665  19 173 685
Swap:  1004  45 958

The command 'less /proc/cpuinfo' shows:

cpu MHz : 964.766
cache size  : 512 KB

Do you think it's normal?

Thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] Old PC gets tired when running XML2PMX

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Hi, Dieter, hi all.
>
> When I run XML2PMX from my 9 years old Acer One, with Debian Linux as
> operating system, on any MusicXML file, it takes several minutes for the file
> to be processed, and meanwhile the PC sticks on any other application.  Once
> finished, it takes another some minutes for the machine to get back normal
> again.  This does not happen running MusiXTeX even on large PMX or TeX files.
> Is that normal, and why does that happen?  Is there anything I can do about
> it, to improve and accelerate the run?  On my new Lenovo desktop, on the
> contrary, everything is fine and fast, immediate the run.  I've been using
> that small PC when travellling, and, if so, I'm afraid the moment has come to
> say goodbye to it...


Remarkable is that the problem occurs even with very small xml files, like
this:


http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd";>

  

  Music

  
  

  
1

  0


  4
  4


  G
  2

  
  

  C
  4

4
whole
  

  

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[Tex-music] Old PC gets tired when running XML2PMX

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, Dieter, hi all.

When I run XML2PMX from my 9 years old Acer One, with Debian Linux as operating
system, on any MusicXML file, it takes several minutes for the file to be
processed, and meanwhile the PC sticks on any other application.  Once
finished, it takes another some minutes for the machine to get back normal
again.  This does not happen running MusiXTeX even on large PMX or TeX files.
Is that normal, and why does that happen?  Is there anything I can do about it,
to improve and accelerate the run?  On my new Lenovo desktop, on the contrary,
everything is fine and fast, immediate the run.  I've been using that small PC
when travellling, and, if so, I'm afraid the moment has come to say goodbye to
it...

Thanks,

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Re: [Tex-music] PDFtoMusic

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|Actually, PDFtoMusic and Sharpeye complete themselves
>  >|one another, as the first does not deal with PDF scores
>  >|coming from scanning, whereas the second one needs its
>  >|input TIFF image to be the result of a scanning... From
>  >|this point of view, Sharpeye is more general and would
>  >|have more possibilities... although in my experience
>  >|PDFtoMusic is more clever...
>
> I can recommend PhotoScore:
>
> https://www.neuratron.com/photoscore.htm
>
> I've used it for years to convert music in PDF to midi but
> musicxml output is also supported.

Thanks...  expensive, though...


> P.S.  Although I've uploaded dozens of scores to IMSLP,
> I've *never* received any requests for sources.

Are you registered there as `Tennent, R.D.'...?  I may be one of the
requesters...

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Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX/pmx sources

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
>
>> Is there anyone who has typeset J. S. Bach's two-voices Invention...?  On
>> IMSLP repository I coudn't find the engraving sources...
>
>
> ...it's a bit depressing to see how little is in percentage the presence of
> MusiXTeX/pmx sources in IMSLP...  (with respect to PDF scores)...


Thanks to tools like Sharpeye and PDFtoMusic, and thanks to Dieter for its
XML2PMX and to Don for PMX, a lot of scores from all over internet can I now
convert to PMX and MusiXTeX and finally realize my dream of uploading to IMSLP
archive tons of PMX/MusiXTeX sources...

Cheers all,

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Re: [Tex-music] PDFtoMusic

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> I'm very impressed by this tool:
>
>  http://www.myriad-online.com
>
> that converts PDF music scores into MusicXML format.  It does not need
> scanning, and in these first tests I'm doing, it seems to me better than
> Sharpeye.  Then from MusicXML to PMX and MusiXTeX, thanks to other tools like
> XML2PMX and PMX itself (and of course MusiXTeX itself), we already have our
> way...  Really interesting and passioning this matter, a big one no doubt, of
> the application of, and translation between, different languages of electronic
> music writing.


Actually, PDFtoMusic and Sharpeye complete themselves one another, as the first
does not deal with PDF scores coming from scanning, whereas the second one
needs its input TIFF image to be the result of a scanning...  From this point
of view, Sharpeye is more general and would have more possibilities...
although in my experience PDFtoMusic is more clever...

Cheers all,

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Re: [Tex-music] PDFtoMusic

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dirk Laurie  writes:

> Op Di. 21 Mei 2019 om 22:15 het Rodolfo Medina
>  geskryf:
>
>> Really interesting and passioning this matter, a big one no doubt, of the
>> application of, and translation between, different languages of electronic
>> music writing.
>
> I think one must have one central language, so that adding one conversion
> to/from it automatically gives you conversion to the others.
>
> I suppose MusicXML is the main candidate for that central language, and we
> already have XML2PMX. But we don't (yet) have PMX2XML :-(


A direct translation MusicXML <-> MusiXTeX would also be very interesting...
The two languages seem to be quite similar in some way...

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Re: [Tex-music] Expanding definition of \shlft

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> In pmx.tex there's the following definition:
>>
>>  \def\shlft#1#2{\off{-#1pt}\settiny\stdstemfalse#2\resetsize\off{#1pt}}
>>
>> Now, in the below MusiXTeX example, I expanded that definition obtaining
>> strangely a different result from the command itself...  Why?
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>>
>> Rodolfo
>>
>> \input musixtex
>> \input pmx
>> \setclef1\bass%
>> \startpiece
>> \notes
>> \shlft9{\zcu E}\wh D%
>> \en
>> \Endpiece
>>
>> \startpiece
>> \notes
>> \off{-9pt}\settiny\stdstemfalse\cu E\resetsize\off{9pt}\wh D%
>> \en
>> \Endpiece
>>
>> \vfill\eject\end
>
>
> Sorry, my mistake...
>
> Rodolfo


Stupidly, I put \cu once and \zcu the other time...  sorry

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Re: [Tex-music] Expanding definition of \shlft

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Hi all.
>
> In pmx.tex there's the following definition:
>
>  \def\shlft#1#2{\off{-#1pt}\settiny\stdstemfalse#2\resetsize\off{#1pt}}
>
> Now, in the below MusiXTeX example, I expanded that definition obtaining
> strangely a different result from the command itself...  Why?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Rodolfo
>
> \input musixtex
> \input pmx
> \setclef1\bass%
> \startpiece
> \notes
> \shlft9{\zcu E}\wh D%
> \en
> \Endpiece
>
> \startpiece
> \notes
> \off{-9pt}\settiny\stdstemfalse\cu E\resetsize\off{9pt}\wh D%
> \en
> \Endpiece
>
> \vfill\eject\end


Sorry, my mistake...

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[Tex-music] Expanding definition of \shlft

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

In pmx.tex there's the following definition:

 \def\shlft#1#2{\off{-#1pt}\settiny\stdstemfalse#2\resetsize\off{#1pt}}

Now, in the below MusiXTeX example, I expanded that definition obtaining
strangely a different result from the command itself...  Why?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo

\input musixtex
\input pmx
\setclef1\bass%
\startpiece
\notes
\shlft9{\zcu E}\wh D%
\en
\Endpiece

\startpiece
\notes
\off{-9pt}\settiny\stdstemfalse\cu E\resetsize\off{9pt}\wh D%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end
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[Tex-music] Change meter at end of system

[Rodolfo Medina]

On p.77 of MusiXTeX manual (v. 1.27, Dec 22 2017) there's the subsection titled
`Changes at the end of a system' but then it closes soon without explaining how
to do that...  Am I missing some other place of the manual?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo
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[Tex-music] PDFtoMusic

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dear all,

I'm very impressed by this tool:

 http://www.myriad-online.com

that converts PDF music scores into MusicXML format.  It does not need
scanning, and in these first tests I'm doing, it seems to me better than
Sharpeye.  Then from MusicXML to PMX and MusiXTeX, thanks to other tools like
XML2PMX and PMX itself (and of course MusiXTeX itself), we already have our
way...  Really interesting and passioning this matter, a big one no doubt, of
the application of, and translation between, different languages of electronic
music writing.

Cheers,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] Dots moving

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> "Don Simons"  writes:
>
>> Rodolfo Medina wrote
>>
>>> Is it possible, in MusiXTeX code, to move a note's dot a little right,
>> left, up or
>>> down such as PMX does?  In MusiXTeX manual, on p.26, I see \lpt and \lppt
>>> to lower the dot but nothing else.
>>
>> Anything PMX can do must be able to be coded in MusiXTeX, because all PMX
>> does is write MusiXTeX code. If you want to see what the MusiXTeX code is,
>> just set it up in PMX, run PMX, and look at the .tex file that PMX produces.
>
>
> Yes, thanks...  The definition for dots moving:
>
> \global\let\C@Psave\C@Point%
> \def\PMXpt#1#2#3{\ifodd\n@i\else\raise\internote\fi%
> \hbox{\raise#1\internote\hbox{\kern#2\qn@width\musixchar#3\kernm#2\qn@width}}%
> \global\let\C@Point\C@Psave}%
>
> is in pmx.tex.  Why not putting it straight away in musixtex.tex...?


...and in MusiXTeX manual...?

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Re: [Tex-music] Dots moving

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Don Simons"  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina wrote
>
>> Is it possible, in MusiXTeX code, to move a note's dot a little right,
> left, up or
>> down such as PMX does?  In MusiXTeX manual, on p.26, I see \lpt and \lppt
>> to lower the dot but nothing else.
>
> Anything PMX can do must be able to be coded in MusiXTeX, because all PMX
> does is write MusiXTeX code. If you want to see what the MusiXTeX code is,
> just set it up in PMX, run PMX, and look at the .tex file that PMX produces.


Yes, thanks...  The definition for dots moving:

\global\let\C@Psave\C@Point%
\def\PMXpt#1#2#3{\ifodd\n@i\else\raise\internote\fi%
\hbox{\raise#1\internote\hbox{\kern#2\qn@width\musixchar#3\kernm#2\qn@width}}%
\global\let\C@Point\C@Psave}%

is in pmx.tex.  Why not putting it straight away in musixtex.tex...?

Thanks,

Rodolfo
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[Tex-music] Dots moving

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi...

Is it possible, in MusiXTeX code, to move a note's dot a little right, left, up
or down such as PMX does?  In MusiXTeX manual, on p.26, I see \lpt and \lppt to
lower the dot but nothing else.

Thanks,

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[Tex-music] PMX: oblique arpeggio?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, Don.

Is it possible in PMX to make an oblique arpeggio, i.e. oblique wavy line...?
This is to denote a piano `glissando'.

Thanks,

Rodolfo
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[Tex-music] PMX: `sforzando' on grace note?

[Rodolfo Medina]

In the attached example, I wish to put a `sforzando' sign upon the grace note
`b1'; is it possible?  But I get error both if I do

 G1m1b1o>

or

 G1m1b1 o>


Please help...

Thanks,

Rodolfo



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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: full-bar rest not centered

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Don Simons"  writes:

> Pshew! All is well, no bugs. The non-centering was caused (in some
> complicated way) by your setting xmtrnum0 to 4. There is absolutely no
> reason to do that.


Yes, I didn't notice it...  Bad mistake.  Thanks.

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: full-bar rest not centered

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Don Simons"  writes:

> Rodolfo--
>
> I think you've exposed a real bug. It seems that whole-bar rests in the
> first bar are not centered as intended. I'll need to look into this some
> more and report back later.


Surely you'll fix it soon.


> As for r0, RTFM. The manual's section on rests starts out "The command for a
> rest starts with r. Then for a normal rest, in either order come a digit for
> the basic time value (using same codes as for notes, optional if unchanged
> from previous value), ..."


Sorry, my fault...

Thanks!

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: problem with shifted dot

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Don Simons"  writes:

> if you had entered the notes from the top down,
> making the d24 the main note, the dot moving confusion goes away


So will I do then in future...!



> Happy PMXing!


Thank you...

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[Tex-music] PMX: full-bar rest not centered

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi, Don, hi all.

In the attached test file the full-bar pause `rp' should be centered according
to PMX manual p.10 but it isn't.  Besides, if in place of `rp' I put `r0', the
rest is a bit shifted rightwards.  But I don't see any `r0' command in the
manual...

These are my first steps in using PMX, will you please excuse my
inexperience...

Please help

thanks

Rodolfo



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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: problem with shifted dot

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Hi all.
>
> As suggested by some listers, I'm finally learning to use PMX, vrey useful
> and precious tool.  Thanks to Don.  In the test file I'm attaching, in bar 3,
> there's a problem with a shifted dot.  According to the PMX manual p.7, I put
> `-0.7+1' after the `d', in order to properly shift it, but I get un
> undesirable effect as you can see processing the file with `musixtex
> text.pmx': the note c4 is lowered down by 2 octaves and becomes c2.  Please
> help avoiding it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodolfo


Sorry, I forgot to attach the file...  Here is it:



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