Re: [TeX-music] Clef change

[Cornelius C. Noack]

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Christof Biebricher wrote:
Dear all:
It is common practice to prescribe the usual clefs,
for piano treble clef for the right hand and
bass clef for the left hand. If a deviation is
intended, say for the left hand treble clef, one
rather prescribes a clef change before the first note
to emphasize the change than starting right away with
the intended, but unexpected clef.
However, in PMX, a clef change by Ct at the very beginning
is ignored and only possible after the first note.
The clef can be changed probably simply by in-line text, but
it would interest me why this is so.
Christof
Hi Christof:
I am afraid I don't quite understand your question. Do you mean by
a clef change by Ct at the very beginning the _very beginning of
a movement_ of, say a piano piece? And in that case, you would want
the piece to nevertheless start _with the usual piano notation of a
bass clef for the left hand_ , but switching to treble immediately
(as demonstrated in my silly example attached)? I must admit that
I never saw anything like that in the literature [I am not a
pianist :-( ], so I can't answer the esthetic part of your
question (if that _was_ indeed your question).
On the technical side, PMX does ignore the extra Ct in that
case. You can, of course, trick PMX into doing what you want, as
in my example (the hard spaces included for graphic reasons ony):
% %%
% clef change silly example:
% %%
2 1
5 4 0 6
0 0
1 1  16   .08
%
bt
./
w80m
Abepl
%
r8b X-3 Ct r8b X-6 c04 | /
r4b g04 | /
m4400
Cb c04 | Rb /
g0 /
% %%
% end of example.
% %%
Regards,
ccn.
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.2 1
5 4 0 6
0 0
1 1  16   .08
%

bt
./
w80m
Abepl
%
r8b X-3 Ct r8b X-6 c04 | /
r4b g04 | /
m4400
Cb c04 | Rb /
g0 /
%

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Re: [TeX-music] Clef change

[Dirk Laurie]

Christof Biebricher skryf:
 
 It is common practice to prescribe the usual clefs,
 for piano treble clef for the right hand and
 bass clef for the left hand. If a deviation is
 intended, say for the left hand treble clef, one
 rather prescribes a clef change before the first note
 to emphasize the change than starting right away with
 the intended, but unexpected clef.

Common practice, you say?  In my copy of Volume One of Schubert's
songs, Der Tod und das Mädchen starts with both hands in the bass.
No G-then-F clef.

Maybe accompanists have anyway to be more alert than soloists ;-)

Dirk
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Re: [TeX-music] Clef change

[Christof Biebricher]

 tenor clef. Likewise, one needs a change sign also within the peace
^
Sorry, I meant of course piece!

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RE: [TeX-music] Clef change

[Don Simons]

Christof Biebricher wrote

...in PMX, a clef change by Ct at the very beginning
is ignored and only possible after the first note.
The clef can be changed probably simply by in-line text, but
it would interest me why this is so.

It was an oversight. I never considered this case when originally writing
the code. I'll look into fixing it, but
please don't hold your breath as I'm preoccupied with Storace at the moment.
Meanwhile, Cornelius' hack is the best you can do, and it should work very
well. Since it only uses PMX commands, it doesn't introduce any space that
is hidden from PMX, so any PMX horizontal adjustments, e.g. for a crowded
accidental later in the system, will be accurately handled.

...one needs a change sign also within the peace

So should I include a peace sign in PMX ?

 if the signature or the clef change at the beginning of a new line,
 in this case at the end of the previous system.

At least I got this one right.

--Don Simons

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