[Texascavers] Naica crystals
I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. (Someone just posted a link to a news item about it.) If you'd like a copy, e-mail me. I'll probably wait a few days for all requests to come in so that I can send it out only once, to multiple people in a single e-mail. I had not known that anhydrite can be deposited directly from water that is hot enough. (I'd thought gypsum was always the original form, and that anhydrite was metamorphosed gypsum, in a manner of speaking.) The author thinks the large crystals were formed at a temperature near the point where the solubilities of gypsum and anhydrite are the same. Incidentally, the scale on the map of the Cave of the Crystals in the NSS News (February) is wrong. The map is the same one that appeared in Speleologia 55, from Italy, and the editors of Speleologia messed up the map when they prepared it for publication. I noticed, when working on an article for the AMCS, that the scale was inconsistent with the room's dimensions stated in the text and checked into it. For a map with the correct scale, see the forthcoming (about June) AMCS Activities Newsletter 30.--Bill Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. Charles On 4/8/07, Bill Mixon billmi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. (Someone just posted a link to a news item about it.) If you'd like a copy, e-mail me. I'll probably wait a few days for all requests to come in so that I can send it out only once, to multiple people in a single e-mail. I had not known that anhydrite can be deposited directly from water that is hot enough. (I'd thought gypsum was always the original form, and that anhydrite was metamorphosed gypsum, in a manner of speaking.) The author thinks the large crystals were formed at a temperature near the point where the solubilities of gypsum and anhydrite are the same. Incidentally, the scale on the map of the Cave of the Crystals in the NSS News (February) is wrong. The map is the same one that appeared in Speleologia 55, from Italy, and the editors of Speleologia messed up the map when they prepared it for publication. I noticed, when working on an article for the AMCS, that the scale was inconsistent with the room's dimensions stated in the text and checked into it. For a map with the correct scale, see the forthcoming (about June) AMCS Activities Newsletter 30.--Bill Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - laptop news
Isn't it funny that SONY should put out their laptop with their Blu Ray technology installed... VHS vs Beta all over again. - Original Message - From: David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Saturday, April 7, 2007 5:47 pm Subject: [Texascavers] OT - laptop news To: texascavers@texascavers.com I got to play with a new laptop last night at Fry's. It has a Blu-ray drive, and a very good screen. Here is an excellent review of this laptop: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/edwardbaig/2006-06-28-vaio- blu-ray_x.htm This is the best picture I have ever seen on a lap-top. Maybe in 10 years the average laptop user will have something like this? A laptop with this many features would leave a lot of empty space on one's desk, as it could replace a TV, a USB hub, a back-up storage device, a gaming console, etc. Several of the laptops in the pricey range have controls above the keyboard to help you manage your song list as you are listing to music. This is pretty cool. It is very similar to having a tiny IPod on the screen and fades away after a few seconds. You can scroll thru about 1 song per second, so it only takes a few minutes to find a song if you had a huge playlist. How do they get those tiny speakers to sound so good? The newest laptops have all done away with the parallel port. I think a select few of the pricey models may have an eSata port, which claims to be faster than Firewire 800, which only the Macs have. http://howtobuyalaptop.com/firewire-port.htm I think the biggest news in laptops today, is the low prices of the low end models. I have seen spanking new laptops for under $ 500. They have Vista pre-installed however, they are too slow. Maybe these buyers should un-install Vista and re-install XP or something else ? Anyone who pays over $ 2,000 for a laptop, should get the features above, plus they should receive some sort of satelite tracking device in case they missplace it. And an integrated internet-video-cell phone. And a swiss-army plastic toothpick and tweezers. And GPS system. A built-in library of songs and music. And software included like an Office package - not just as a trial. I personally would not yet buy a laptop with Vista on it. But unless you buy a Mac, you don't have much choice. You could buy an older XP laptop, but you would miss out on some of the cool features of the even the new low-end models. And getting a linux laptop, isn't something the average computeruser is going to want. On a slightly related note, here in Houston, CompUSA is closing 4 of it's stores and they have a sale on what little is left. The best deals seemed to be on compact-flash cards and motherboards. I think I saw an Extreme III - 8 gigabyte CF card for $ 259. David Locklear --- -- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - laptop news
Sony is continually doing this. The problem is that not enough people buy sony laptops because they are so expensive. If Dell decided to do this, it would be another game altogther. Case in point, I have a Sony Laptop (about 5 years old) that has a slot for the memory stick. Honestly, it's too much trouble to buy the memory sticks (even though I have a reader on my pc) because noone has readers for them when you go to their computers and they're too damn expensive per card (and they switched the format). Lame. --Patina On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 egels...@satx.rr.com wrote: Isn't it funny that SONY should put out their laptop with their Blu Ray technology installed... VHS vs Beta all over again. - Original Message - From: David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, April 7, 2007 5:47 pm Subject: [Texascavers] OT - laptop news To: texascavers@texascavers.com I got to play with a new laptop last night at Fry's. It has a Blu-ray drive, and a very good screen. Here is an excellent review of this laptop: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/edwardbaig/2006-06-28-vaio- blu-ray_x.htm This is the best picture I have ever seen on a lap-top. Maybe in 10 years the average laptop user will have something like this? A laptop with this many features would leave a lot of empty space on one's desk, as it could replace a TV, a USB hub, a back-up storage device, a gaming console, etc. Several of the laptops in the pricey range have controls above the keyboard to help you manage your song list as you are listing to music. This is pretty cool. It is very similar to having a tiny IPod on the screen and fades away after a few seconds. You can scroll thru about 1 song per second, so it only takes a few minutes to find a song if you had a huge playlist. How do they get those tiny speakers to sound so good? The newest laptops have all done away with the parallel port. I think a select few of the pricey models may have an eSata port, which claims to be faster than Firewire 800, which only the Macs have. http://howtobuyalaptop.com/firewire-port.htm I think the biggest news in laptops today, is the low prices of the low end models. I have seen spanking new laptops for under $ 500. They have Vista pre-installed however, they are too slow. Maybe these buyers should un-install Vista and re-install XP or something else ? Anyone who pays over $ 2,000 for a laptop, should get the features above, plus they should receive some sort of satelite tracking device in case they missplace it. And an integrated internet-video-cell phone. And a swiss-army plastic toothpick and tweezers. And GPS system. A built-in library of songs and music. And software included like an Office package - not just as a trial. I personally would not yet buy a laptop with Vista on it. But unless you buy a Mac, you don't have much choice. You could buy an older XP laptop, but you would miss out on some of the cool features of the even the new low-end models. And getting a linux laptop, isn't something the average computeruser is going to want. On a slightly related note, here in Houston, CompUSA is closing 4 of it's stores and they have a sale on what little is left. The best deals seemed to be on compact-flash cards and motherboards. I think I saw an Extreme III - 8 gigabyte CF card for $ 259. David Locklear --- -- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] another 3 watt LED headlamp
Sears has a new cheap 3 watt LED headlamp made by Dorcy. It is all plastic, so no telling how long it can withstand the heat. It is just like some of the other cheap 1 watt headlamps that use three AAA batteries behind the lens. However, for $ 30 this would be a good headlamp for caves like Kickapoo Caverns or Bracken Bat Cave or other large passages where you are not going to be in the cave long. Since the lamp is small, you could easily rig 2 to the front or sides of your helmet. Someone should go to China and do a documentary on the LED headlamp factories and the employees. It was less than 50 years ago, that most of these people used wooden hand-made ox-carts to make a living.It is almost like they went straight from the Neolithic Period to a life more technologically advanced than our own.It could be an interesting documentary. For example, look at the work Don Cornelius did back in the early 70's documenting all the disco performers on a show called Soul Train.That seemed irrelevant at the time; but today, it is fascinating looking back at the impact it made on our society. http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/soultrain/soultrain.htm Another LED light news item and probably the most important, is that Stenlight improvements have been reported.You can now order on-line a different reflector to put in the Stenlight.They cost $ 20. Several cavers have been using them and reported they like the new reflectors. Anybody want to give us more information on the Stenlight modification? [ there is a forum discussing this ] David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Still trying to get off list!!!!
Can anyone help me I'll sign up when I get the computer at home but it's cramping my mail at the office. How exactly does one get released from the ever present CaveTex??? Flea -- Felicia Vreeland 2000 e. 6th Austin, texas 78702 512-389-1709 877-389-1709 http://www.vreelandgraphics.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Still trying to get off list!!!!
Hey Flea To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com good luck! -Original Message- From: feli...@vginc.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 6:02 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Still trying to get off list Can anyone help me I'll sign up when I get the computer at home but it's cramping my mail at the office. How exactly does one get released from the ever present CaveTex??? Flea -- Felicia Vreeland 2000 e. 6th Austin, texas 78702 512-389-1709 877-389-1709 http://www.vreelandgraphics.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [Texascavers] Still trying to get off list!!!!
I removed you manually. Charles On 4/7/07, felicia vreeland feli...@vginc.net wrote: Can anyone help me I'll sign up when I get the computer at home but it's cramping my mail at the office. How exactly does one get released from the ever present CaveTex??? Flea -- Felicia Vreeland 2000 e. 6th Austin, texas 78702 512-389-1709 877-389-1709 http://www.vreelandgraphics.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Still trying to get off list!!!!
THANKS!!! Gil just showed me the link. Sorry about all that. Flea Felicia Vreeland 2000 e. 6th Austin, texas 78702 512-389-1709 877-389-1709 http://www.vreelandgraphics.com Charles Goldsmith wrote: I removed you manually. Charles On 4/7/07, *felicia vreeland* feli...@vginc.net mailto:feli...@vginc.net wrote: Can anyone help me I'll sign up when I get the computer at home but it's cramping my mail at the office. How exactly does one get released from the ever present CaveTex??? Flea -- Felicia Vreeland 2000 e. 6th Austin, texas 78702 512-389-1709 877-389-1709 http://www.vreelandgraphics.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 4/7/2007 10:57 PM
[Texascavers] CAVE DAY Saturday April 14
Give us a call ASAP so we will know how many cavers we will have to assist the public on CAVE DAY. This year we will be taking them into Dies Ranch Treasure Cave. Each year, around April 14 or 15, the Texas Cave Conservancy hosts a cave related public event here in Cedar Park, Texas. Public Education is an important part of our goal to protect caves. This year, the Texas Speleological Association Convention was set for the same weekend. As a result we have a special need for cavers to assist in the CAVE DAY event. The new TCC vertical training site,Dies Ranch Treasure Cave will be available to the public for the first time, April 14. If you can assist us, please contact Donna Mosesmann ASAP at 832-465-8588 or 512-249-2283. Following the event, the TCC will host an evening meal at a local cafe for the workers. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] grad student opportunity
M.S. Assistantship- Cavefish Ecology Job type not noted Job location: http://www.ConBio.org/jobs/detail.cfm?id=8696 Back to the top M.S. Graduate Research Assistantship- Grotto Sculpin Population Ecology Starting Date: August 2007 Description: The project will involve mark-recapture of the Grotto Sculpin (a federal candidate cavefish species) in two caves and two resurgence streams in Perry County, Missouri. This is a continuation of an ongoing project (it will encompass the last two years of a four year project) to provide baseline data on the population status, movement and growth of this rare and unique species. The student would overlap with my current graduate student for a semester and have time to learn the field techniques and caves before taking over as lead on the project. The student will be expected to work closely with the Missouri Department of Conservation to schedule field trips and coordinate field help. A research assistantship will be available for part and likely all of the project period. The student will develop a thesis proposal related to this research and will work towards a M.S. in Biology at the University of Central Arkansas. Qualifications: B.S. in Biology, Environmental Science or closely related field. Minimum GPA of 3.0 and a combined quantitative/verbal GRE score of 1100 (field experience may help offset any deficiency in scores). A strong interest in cave ecology is essential and a student with caving experience is highly desirable. Independent, hard-working students that can handle long hours in the field, work well with landowners, volunteers and agency personnel preferred. Stipend: $12,000/year plus tuition waiver Contact: If you are interested in this position please send your resume, statement of interest (why you are interested in this project and your career goals), copy of transcripts and GRE scores ,and three letters of recommendation to Dr. Ginny Adams (ginny.ad...@mac.com). Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
[Texascavers] Grutas de Tolantongo in the dry season
Posted by Bill Mixon. Send replies to the e-mail address at the bottom. Mike won't get them if sent to the list or to me. I've already pointed out that the trip reported with the map in AMCS Act. Nl. 17 was very wet and made in late April.-- Mixon +++ Hi Bill, We have become interested in making a trip as tourists to Las Grutas de Tolantongo, edo de Hidalgo, M�xico. I was wondering if anyone in AMCS could advise us if the waters are largely diminished toward the end of the winter dry season. We were thinking of visiting that area within 2 weeks, but as the water is a major attraction, probably would postpone if it's very low water. Saludos, Mike and Susan Las Cuevas, Michoac�n, M�xico Michael Warshauer warshauer.mich...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Grutas de Tolantongo in the dry season
Mike and Susan, I'm sending this response directly to you and as well as the list since there may be others who are interested in this fine cave. I've been to Tolantongo several times, and at different times of the year, and have never noticed any significant change in flow, which was generally about 3 cubic meters/second if you include the springs surrounding the river that discharges from the cave. I did a hydrogeological study there years ago and determined the water travels through a large syncline, descending to and rising from a depth of 2.2 km. This accounts for the temperature, which ranges from 34-40 degrees C depending on where you sample it. The flow through the syncline appears to buffer the effects of the recharge events about 30 km to the west that supply the water, hence the relatively constant discharge. I strongly recommend not going to the cave during the rainy season. The upper entrance at the upstream end of the cave swallows the flow of the Arroyo de Chalmita. Most of the year the arroyo carries a trickle of flow, but during desert flash-floods small trees and livestock get flushed through the cave and the blue-white water turns to dark brown from all of the sediment. For anyone who wants to do the through trip, make sure there is no chance of rain and be prepared to handle serious water and heat. I'm afraid a through trip will kill someone some day who is not adequately prepared. George From: Bill Mixon [mailto:billmi...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:14 AM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Grutas de Tolantongo in the dry season Posted by Bill Mixon. Send replies to the e-mail address at the bottom. Mike won't get them if sent to the list or to me. I've already pointed out that the trip reported with the map in AMCS Act. Nl. 17 was very wet and made in late April.-- Mixon +++ Hi Bill, We have become interested in making a trip as tourists to Las Grutas de Tolantongo, edo de Hidalgo, M�xico. I was wondering if anyone in AMCS could advise us if the waters are largely diminished toward the end of the winter dry season. We were thinking of visiting that area within 2 weeks, but as the water is a major attraction, probably would postpone if it's very low water. Saludos, Mike and Susan Las Cuevas, Michoac�n, M�xico Michael Warshauer warshauer.mich...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Grutas de Tolantongo in the dry season
Mike, While the hydrogeology of the cave probably hasn't changed much over the year, the tourism has. The last time I was there there was no admission to La Gloria, or to anywhere else except for one fee to enter the property. What I can tell you about La Gloria is that there is a canyon that extends over the cave. It is a pretty and interesting contrast from the rest of the area and is cut in limestone instead of the more dominant siltstones and shales. When I first went up there in 1979, there was little evidence that anyone regularly went into that canyon. The same was true on my last trip up there about 15 years ago. On the 1979 trip, I followed the canyon back to where it narrows to about 2 m and ends in a travertine wall. In the wall is a body-size hole that blows hot air and drops into the cave (rope is needed). I described this in an AMCS report and later, when that part of the cave was mapped by Mexican cavers, the map included the label La Gloria. The position of the label made it look La Gloria was the small hole, but I've always suspected it was for the large pit where the Arroyo de Chalmita plunges a short way beyond the top of the travertine wall. In either case, it depending on what fee is charged, I think it is worth seeing. If it's the pit, they must have installed a ladder or some means to scale the travertine wall. Another possiblility is that they may take you up what was, at least when I was there, a little-known trail that steeply climbs over the ridge into the Arroyo de Chalmita, allowing you to visit the pit from the upstream side -- a bit more vigorous trip but a nice hike and also worthwhile in my opinion. Have a great time! I'd be interested to learn what things are like there now. George On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:49:36 -0500 Michael Warshauer warshauer.mich...@gmail.com wrote: George, that is fascinating information. I really appreciate having a better understanding of the hydrogeology. Thank you and Bill Mixon and David Locklear for responding. As I mentioned in my original letter, we are going as purely tourists, not as cavers. I gave up physical caving in about 1995 and now am purely an armchair caver. So, no worries about me attempting a through trip. I told David that my second main concern was that the hotel was reasonably clean and comfortable. ;-) What is the upper end, La Gloria like? Is it worth paying a separate admission fee? We hope to visit Tolantongo in about a week from Tuesday. Still well within the dry seaon. Best wishes, Mike On Apr 8, 2007, at 8:20 PM, gv...@warpdriveonline.com wrote: Mike and Susan, I'm sending this response directly to you and as well as the list since there may be others who are interested in this fine cave. I've been to Tolantongo several times, and at different times of the year, and have never noticed any significant change in flow, which was generally about 3 cubic meters/second if you include the springs surrounding the river that discharges from the cave. I did a hydrogeological study there years ago and determined the water travels through a large syncline, descending to and rising from a depth of 2.2 km. This accounts for the temperature, which ranges from 34-40 degrees C depending on where you sample it. The flow through the syncline appears to buffer the effects of the recharge events about 30 km to the west that supply the water, hence the relatively constant discharge. I strongly recommend not going to the cave during the rainy season. The upper entrance at the upstream end of the cave swallows the flow of the Arroyo de Chalmita. Most of the year the arroyo carries a trickle of flow, but during desert flash-floods small trees and livestock get flushed through the cave and the blue-white water turns to dark brown from all of the sediment. For anyone who wants to do the through trip, make sure there is no chance of rain and be prepared to handle serious water and heat. I'm afraid a through trip will kill someone some day who is not adequately prepared. George - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] cartoonist obituary
The only cartoonist I have ever seen in the major newspapers to draw cave related subjects was Johnny Hart. He just passed away. Any cavers have his cartoon B.C. posted on their refrigerators? Here is a portion of the obituary: B.C., populated by prehistoric cavemen and dinosaurs, was launched in 1958 and eventually appeared in more than 1,300 newspapers with an audience of 100 million, according to Creators Syndicate Inc., which distributes it. After he graduated from Union-Endicott High School, Hart met Brant Parker, a young cartoonist who became a prime influence and co-creator with Hart of the Wizard of Id comic strip. Hart enlisted in the Air Force and began producing cartoons for Pacific Stars and Stripes. He sold his first freelance cartoon to the Saturday Evening Post after his discharge from the military in 1954. http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/08/obit.hart.ap/story.vert.hart.ap.jpg - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT - gmail tip
If you start using gmail. and you make your Internet home-page, as Gmail, then everytime you click Internet Explorer, all of your e-mail immediately comes up on the screen.Or you can minimize the window, and go back to to it whenever, and if you have new e-mail then it will be there. I think this is pretty cool. In my opinion, Gmail is one of the best programs I have ever used.It seems to be more user friendly than Hotmail. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - gmail tip
I'll second that opinion, I recently moved two of my personal domains over, so this email is coming from the gmail web interface, from my own domain. The speed and ease of use of the searches is astounding, and very helpful. Charles On 4/8/07, David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: If you start using gmail. and you make your Internet home-page, as Gmail, then everytime you click Internet Explorer, all of your e-mail immediately comes up on the screen.Or you can minimize the window, and go back to to it whenever, and if you have new e-mail then it will be there. I think this is pretty cool. In my opinion, Gmail is one of the best programs I have ever used.It seems to be more user friendly than Hotmail. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - gmail tip
Yes, much better than hotmail. Good to be free from the shackles of hotmail and ever occuring problems due to poorly implemented java juju that only wants to work right if you use microsofter exploder. I'd like more people on cavetex to consider using it - especially the ISP-mail user holdouts. Why hang on to a ISP just 'cause you don't want to loose your email address? Switch to GMail and keep THAT address forever! You dont have to do it all at once and its EASY to keep all your old address books. You can even CHAT with other gmail users and use picasa for storing and sharing your photos. (Heck I even got out of paying money to Ebay for extra super-duper high-res pictures of a Baritone Horn I recently wuz selling - I just embedded the pointers into my listing description and ebay shoppers were able to see a close-up of every single scratch, dent and shiny spot!) -WaV aka Speleophile On 4/8/07, David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: If you start using gmail. and you make your Internet home-page, as Gmail, then everytime you click Internet Explorer, all of your e-mail immediately comes up on the screen.Or you can minimize the window, and go back to to it whenever, and if you have new e-mail then it will be there. I think this is pretty cool. In my opinion, Gmail is one of the best programs I have ever used.It seems to be more user friendly than Hotmail. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Rope Recycle
What we have done in the past in Mexico is simply give the old rope to someone who could use it, especially someone with burros. I cut it into 20-30 lengths, so it cannot be used for climbing. If I have retired it I don't want someone else to climb on it. Old climbing rope is perfect for burro lead ropes or for tying gear on El Macho. Preston in Outer Browder, western KY ___ - Original Message - From: Kara Savvas misskarabi...@yahoo.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Rope Recycle *Sterling Rope Redemption Program* What do you do with your old nasty climbing ropes? Sterling Rope would like to invite you to take part in our new Rope Redemption Initiative. Rather than having that rope sit in the back of the closet or worse, sit in a landfill. Return it to Sterling and we will recycle it for you! That's right, simply send us your old, used Dynamic Climbing ropes and we will send them off to get melted down and re-made into carpet fiber, telephones, coat hangers, even children's toys! It's easy: Step 1) Put your Rope in a box Step 2) Put this address on the box Sterling Rope Company, INC. C/O Rope Redemption Program 26 Morin St. Biddeford, ME 04005-4413 Step 3) Ship us the box anyway you want (USPS, UPS, FedEx, Carrier Pigeon, Transporter) whatever! U.S. Postal is real cheap! Step 4) Sleep well at night knowing that you've thought outside of the box, kept more garbage out of the landfill and made some children very happy. Karma, ain't it grand! If you have any questions, contact: climb...@sterlingrope.com *** Dynamic Ropes only. Oh well, at least it is something. Kara Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 4/5/2007 3:33 PM - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
